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Latest revision as of 00:01, 13 January 2025

Instructions

Before listing a review request, please:

1. Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
2. Check that it is not on the list of perennial requests. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.

Steps to list a new deletion review

If your request is completely non-controversial (e.g., restoring an article deleted with a PROD, restoring an image deleted for lack of adequate licensing information, asking that the history be emailed to you, etc), please use Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion instead.

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Commenting in a deletion review

Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:

• Endorse the original closing decision; or
• Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually Articles for deletion); or
• List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the established criteria and you believe it needs a full discussion at the appropriate forum to decide if it should be deleted; or
• Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the Guide to deletion. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or
• Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.

Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted:

• *'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~
• *'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~
• *'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~
• *'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~
• *'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~

Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome.

The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.

Temporary undeletion

Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{TempUndelete}} template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.

Closing reviews

A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.

If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:

• If the decision under appeal was a speedy deletion, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum, if they so choose.
• If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.

Ideally all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly but in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)

Speedy closes

• Objections to a proposed deletion can be processed immediately as though they were a request at Misplaced Pages:Requests for undeletion
• Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.
• Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).
• Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive or sockpuppet nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, or the page is listed at WP:DEEPER). These will usually be marked as "administrative close".

Active discussions

13 January 2025

Callum Reynolds

Callum Reynolds (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

The article was deleted twice over 6 and 15 years ago when the player didn't meet WP:NFOOTY requirements of the time (since outdated, but would pass now based on that criteria), and there were numerous repeated attempts to recreate the article by various different people which led to an admin protecting the namespace. Since then however, he has arguably met WP:GNG just as much as the articles of his teammates at Bromley as a recently created draft page has shown. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 21:17, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

• Unsalt and allow recreation. The appellant is an experienced page reviewer. I have no qualms about trusting his assessment of the current draft. If disputed, this can always be renominated to AfD. Owen× ☎ 21:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

11 January 2025

DJ Hollygrove

DJ Hollygrove (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

DJ Hollygrove grammy winner https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/hollygrove-of-the-chopstars-sir-the-baptist-aaron-dubba-news-photo/1463285516?adppopup=true — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 01:50, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/larry-jenkins-jr-sir-the-baptist-aaron-dubba-aa-lockhart-news-photo/1463266133?adppopup=true 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 01:52, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Create as a redirect to The Chopstars (the page is salted), and we'll see what happens following that. About "grammy winner": This individual did not win a Grammy.—Alalch E. 02:12, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  clearly it says "Grammy Winners" on that publication

  https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/larry-jenkins-jr-sir-the-baptist-aaron-dubba-aa-lockhart-news-photo/1463266133?adppopup=true <== does it not say this? 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 02:25, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  The producers were there at the ceremony because the entire marching band can't fit in. They accepted the award on behalf of the band. But some of the producers and the engineer have got a mention on the Grammy website: The official 65th Grammy awards page has the following: "Winner: 'The Urban Hymnal'; Tennessee State University Marching Band; Dr. Reginald McDonald, J. Ivy, Prof. Larry Jenkins & Aaron "Dubba -AA" Lockhart, producers; Audri Johnson, engineer/mixer". No mention of DJ Hollygrove. DJ Hollygrove is not a Grammy winner. —Alalch E. 12:44, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  Actually this is FALSE, the grammy only listed to EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS, they didn't list the over 100 instrumentalist that played on the album, non of the vocalist either. DJ Hollygrove was one of 10 producers whoh were apart of this project, that is why he is HOLDING the Grammy trophy is MEDIA area backstage at the awards. NO ONE is allowed to take photos with trophy unless they are winner. Should I reach out to DJ Hollygrove so that he can send me a copy of his certificate from recording academy? Would that help? 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  If this comment isn't clear about salting/protection, I am saying: no protection —Alalch E. 11:38, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Endorse the 2008 AFD close, but this doesn't seem to be a request to overturn the 2008 result. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:56, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  so how do I submit a RFPP for DJ Hollygrove 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 04:58, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Robert McClenon: I don't see a 2008--or any--AfD. Am I missing something? Owen× ☎ 12:15, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  Here is the AfD: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DJ Hollygrove —Alalch E. 12:19, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  Thanks! I added the link to the DRV template above. Owen× ☎ 12:41, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Allow Creation and Review of Draft - The album, The Urban Hymnal, won the Grammy, which went to the Tennessee State University Marching Band. The Chopstars were involved in the production of the album. If the draft shows that DJ Hollygrove satisfies any of the musical notability criteria or satisfies general notability, the reviewer can submit a request to RFPP to unprotect the title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs) 04:57, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

  It can't be a red link in the meantime because of the need to at least have a redirect. And provided that the page exists as a redirect, since there is no ongoing basis for applying protection to the page, there shouldn't be a need to use RFPP. —Alalch E. 11:59, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Unsalt immediately There was never a finalized deletion discussion. There was one PROD, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DJ Hollygrove was closed A7, then once G4, twice as A7, and then almost 14 years ago FT2 deleted it as PROD again (out of process) and salted it. In that time, it doesn't look like anyone looked at the whole process and said "Wait, did we do this right?" because... we didn't. Jclemens (talk) 08:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Yeah, this is always the problem when an AfD is curtailed because the article is suitable for speedy deletion (which it was at that time). Whilst the processes were wrong, even the last (and best) version of this was sourced to four unreliable sources (IMDB, last.fm, MySpace and his own website) and wouldn't have survived an AfD. Still, I don't see a problem with Recreate as a redirect to The Chopstars and then see if anyone can create an article which shows notability. Black Kite (talk) 16:36, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
  • I don't have a formal opinion on what to do next after unsalting, but certainly no objection to the redirect. Jclemens (talk) 16:40, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

• Endorse the AfD and other deletions and the create protection. Create the redirect to The Chopstars, but protect the redirect. For anyone who might wish to recreate the article, use draftspace first, and follow advice at WP:THREE. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:45, 11 January 2025 (UTC)
• Take no action. The DRV request is unintelligible; it consists of two words and a link. An actionable DRV request should indicate which action should be taken and why. This is lacking here. Sandstein 08:38, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

  This DJ is a well known DJ, works on Shade 45, was featured on Vice TV as well as a producer on Black Market with Michael K. Williams. Formerly a DJ on KQBT Houston, is a Grammy winning producer with Tennessee State University Marching Band. He more than meets musical notability criteria. 2600:1700:F991:9E50:F923:CBAA:724D:8AFE (talk) 18:14, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

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