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| == Question from BMK == | |||
| Ed: I just wanted to bring to your attention. I know that I am the sanctioned editor, and not Robsinden, because '''''I''''' was the one to break 3RR, but he '''''was''''' the other side of the edit war, so it seems a bit unfair, especially since other editors expressed the opinion that no solo navboxes should have their collapse state changed until a community consensus was determined. I fully understand that you have no obligation whatsoever to '''''do''''' anything about this, but I did want you to be aware of it. ] (]) 17:52, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :P.S. I don't know if he's made any other similar edits because I have not looked at his contrib list and don't plan to. This one simply popped up on my watch list. ] (]) 17:52, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::This is about . You've asked about a particular edit by Robsinden which uncollapsed a template. When the ] was first added to ] in in 2009 it was in the expanded (uncollapsed) state. Since then you've tried to collapse it a number of times for instance but each time it's been uncollapsed by others. The Frank Perry template is only three lines so it's not easy to see the benefit of collapsing that one. You've agreed not to change any collapse states for two weeks (that is, until Feb. 11) but you could continue the discussion at ]. My review of that thread suggests there is little support for collapsing. Unless you can think of some really good arguments it might be best for you to follow the project's wishes and let the issue go. ] (]) 18:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::OK, thanks. ] (]) 18:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Unsigned Changes to UST Global == | |||
| Hello Ed. I hope my note finds you doing well. For quite a while after your last intervention, the employees at UST Global kept the site without changes regarding who founded the company. As you recall, the records for the founder of the site were spelled out in papers filed with the Superior Court of California in November 2007. | |||
| We have now reverted back to an individual(s) not signing in, making the edit to incorrectly state that G. A. Menon was founder and to remove the entry of Stephen J. Ross. | |||
| Thanks for considering what you had done the last 3 times of placing a restriction on edits for a period of XX days. | |||
| I am grateful to you Ed for this. Thanks & Regards, Steve Ross ] (]) 01:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I've renewed the semiprotection. Thanks for your note. ] (]) 01:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Main Hoon Shahid Afridi (film) listed at ] == | |||
| ] | |||
| An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect ]. Since you had some involvement with the ''Main Hoon Shahid Afridi (film)'' redirect, you might want to participate in ] if you have not already done so. <!-- from Template:RFDNote --> <span style="border:1px solid green;padding:0px;">]]</span> 08:27, 2 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Lowering of Protection == | |||
| Can you take a look at ] Thanks.] ] 12:25, 2 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Hi Ed. I've started putting together some first-draft content to expand/improve/correct this article in hopes of eventually bringing it up to the GA mark (long ways to go atm). You commented previously on another discussion string, so I wanted to let you know I also just posted some more information and content regarding their origins (also considered to be the origins of the credit card industry by historians). I also pinged ], who I think is a WikiProject finance member and who I pinged previously. ] (]) 17:37, 4 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Am I blocked? == | |||
| Hi Ed! My topic ban has been lifted recently, but I find I cannot edit the Prem Rawat talk page beyond the preview level. Am I also still blocked somehow? Seems I can edit the PR page, but not the talk page. Yet I would prefer discussing new edits before I make them. Can you help, please?--] (]) 13:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I think I fixed it. There was an unclosed template at ] that made new posts appear to be HTML comments. Try again now. ] (]) 13:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Thank you, it's fine now.--] (]) 14:57, 5 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Self-published sources in-place == | |||
| You protected the article with self-published sources in-place https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Larry_Norman&diff=594148542&oldid=594086880 ] (]) 03:48, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I've taken care of that. If you see any other changes justifiable under ], let me know or use the {{tl|editprotect}} template. Please note that I've left a warning at ] about personal attacks and it applies to you as well. Thank you, ] (]) 04:34, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: Will do. Thank you. ] (]) 05:19, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==RfC/U Quackguru, again== | |||
| Hi EdJohnston! You participated in an RFC/U concerning ] in 2011. There is a new RFC/U on for the same user at ], and your input would be welcome. Cheers, --] (]) 07:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Please double-check; I didn't participate in the 2011 RFCU. I did . Regarding the ongoing ] dispute, I have wondered why a compromise couldn't be worked out. Looking at ] it does not seem that anyone has tried opening a regular RfC to settle the content issues. ] (]) 14:37, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I did start a RfC. See ]. ] (]) 20:08, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Quackguru, thanks for your comment. I now see that a content RfC has been opened about ] and it is at ]. It seems reasonable to wait for that closure before opening an RFCU about ]. ] (]) 20:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Editors prefer less detail according to the RfC IMO. It was previously explained, for the set-up a . User:Mallexikon previously said but he tried to restore the details about the set-up . After reading , for balance and readability I added this information to . ] (]) 20:30, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::User:Mallexikon previously said It is fairly obvious . I prefer less detail about the results and so do a lot of other editors. Another said There were problems with the article discussed at the AFD and on the talk page. ] (]) 20:39, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Quackguru, if you have not already made these points in the RfC you might consider doing so. And you could make a section called 'Proposed closure' (with very brief text) which might assist any admin who feels like closing the RfC. Of course the other side could make their own proposed closure if they disagree. ] (]) 20:58, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: by ]. I hope this settles the issue and that the ] article can be revised appropriately. ] (]) 14:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit warring complaint, Music for Millions == | |||
| well, apparently I'm too stupid for Wiki. The "Diff of edit warring" above says "link", I placed toccata's name thinking it would link to them. Apparently, it wasn't. Yes, I made three reverts as I have received no details as to what Toccata quarta hasn't given me any details of their revert. Asking questions gets me a warning. I stated on my complaint that I wasn't sure I was submitting correctly.Unbelievable.] (]) 20:12, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :If the other person doesn't respond it doesn't give you a personal licence to revert. There are ways of bringing in more people via the steps of ]. ] (]) 20:25, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::], I that included an opening HTML comment bracket and no closing bracket. Try again if you wish. Thanks, ] (]) 20:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :This is all too ridiculous for words. If someone wants less of a plot, so be it. And Wiki wonders why supporters are few and critics are high. All I asked for was an explanation. What I get is a pissing contest. And you all stick together in your silence.] (]) 21:40, 6 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Would you be so kind as to comment on ]? --] (]) 01:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Done. ] (]) 03:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Yemen == | |||
| Hello, i was recently blocked for edit warring . I am currently engaged in debate in ] and . An was reverted today without providing a counter argument, and the editor concluded that i "have failed to receive census". It happened the same day i got blocked for reverting the same exact . What should i do now? if i reverted the edit it will be considered an edit warring. How do i get a third party to monitor the discussion? Thank you --] (]) 02:46, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :So far, at ], it doesn't appear that anybody supports the edits you want to make. You want to use by Deborah Coulter-Harris. She appears to be an at the University of Toledo, not a historian. You should not go further in changing the article until you can get a consensus. One way you can try to find people to support you is to open a ] on the talk page. ] (]) 03:36, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: okay .. i will cite historians --] (]) 09:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: The other editor did not respond to the discussion ]. I added new sources but he did not respond. Should i go ahead and make the edit? as for this ] it seems the discussion have reached a dead end. The editor is basically disregarding every source i bring and interpret texts to fit his notion. I do not know how to use the RFC template. --] (]) 04:45, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::I can help you create an RFC, but you need to propose a neutrally-worded sentence saying what change you want to make. Do you want to add: | |||
| ::::"''Yemen was home of the ] (biblical ]), a trading state that flourished for over a thousand years''". | |||
| :::You can propose this in the RfC, but people who have commented so far are unlikely to support that. You would be hoping that the listing of the RfC would bring in more contributors who might agree with you. It sounds like the current contributors want everything to be extremely well-sourced to respected scholarship, and they don't want anything said beyond what is known for sure. E.g. they doubt that we know the exact location of the Sabaeans. You have been writing at excessive length and this discourages dialog. ] (]) 05:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Yes that is the sentence i want to use. I did not mean to write at excessive length i was simply citing different authors, There is a language gap here and i think i cannot get my point reached in short sentences. i highly doubt that they are looking for extremely well sourcesed respected scholarly works, user acid snow and the others did not respond to the quotes i provided. I do not understand, is there a problem with the references i provided ]? All of them except one are archaeologists and one of them is a . --] (]) 08:14, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you intend to contribute to the old history of ] you need to have the skills needed, especially in English. These are complex scholarly topics. It also helps if you have access to the full text of reference works, and are not just Googling for snippets. The others appear to be so disappointed by your work that they are losing interest in responding to you. ] (]) 17:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: I was the one who expanded the ancient history of Yemen. I know English is not my first language and i do have a lot of grammatical mistakes. Nevertheless, i was the only editor who expended that section. If they are disappointed that does not mean i am wrong. I do not see any just reason to delay my edits. Maybe you were disappointed but all i know is that the other side did not respond --] (]) 02:21, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::Lack of response does not give you consensus to proceed. See ]. If you can't persuade anyone to support you on this, you should go work on something else. ] (]) 02:28, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: I am working on something else. ] states that :" Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Misplaced Pages article and is an appropriate source for that content", and the sources i provided fit this category. The other side did not complain about the sources rather he claimed that he could not find the quotes. --] (]) 03:37, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Do you have access to the full text of any of the books you are citing? ] (]) 04:00, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::: yes i have full access to one of the books. --] (]) 04:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::Why are you still lying? Its getting '''very''' annoying. Everyone can see my comments so can you please stop this (I have asked you to stop before yet you wont)? "The other side did not complain about the sources", are you serous? I have complained about your sources, the way you are using them, cheerrypicking, and how you changed "quotes". | |||
| ::::::::::"user acid snow and others did not respond to the quotes i provided", really I did not provided a response to your "quotes"? *Sigh*. | |||
| ::::::::::As for not finding your original quotes, it was because you '''deliberately''' changed them. When I asked you about this you said "if you can't find them than it's your own problem". I don't understand why you are doing this as it is not working in your favor in anyway. You even went and readded it after you were told to receive consensus for your edit yet you did not. Because of all of this I have reverted you as you were also told by me, EdJohnston, and others to wait to receive consensus; which you did not. | |||
| ::::::::::EdJohnston, I would highly recommend (if your not already) that you carefully read what I have said in this discussion. If you want to see all the other things he has also done to discredit me than you should also go there. ] (]) 04:38, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::], can you give an example of a quote from a book that you believe was misstated by Kendite? ] (]) 04:56, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::: Yes i did not lie because you did not complain about the sources, you said that you could not find the quotes! complaing aboun the sources means that you believe they are bias or outdated or unverifiable. You did not do that instead you complained that i have "changed them"! I know i should receive census but you are not ready to engage in a rational discussion. it's almost personal with you guys.--] (]) 05:31, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::: Just read his latest response in the matter. it has absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand.--] (]) 05:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::::: Another proof that this a personal matter, the he uses to describe Yemen as ''one of the oldest civilizations in the near east'' says the following : | |||
| {{Quote|. The South Arabian kingdom of Saba (biblical Sheba) emerges, with its capital at Marib, a fertile oasis east of modern San'a in Yemen. In biblical accounts, the Queen of Sheba brought a rich gift of gold, spices, and precious stones to King Solomon in Jerusalem.}}--] (]) 05:43, 9 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == FWIW == | |||
| is typical now. Cheers. I am gone. ] (]) 17:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I reverted the last IP change and imposed semiprotection per ]. ] (]) 18:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think you will find a slew of similar edits from the "homophobia/censorship" contingent on a substantial number of BLPs. Cheers -- it is in your lap now. ] (]) 19:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| another -- as I said, the floodgates are open fully. ] (]) 21:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| as well. And you should examine the ] article as well if you wish to see a BLP disaster. ] (]) 12:49, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I have watchlisted a few of them. ] (]) 13:21, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Re- Your opinion? == | |||
| {{wb|Gareth Griffith-Jones}}]{{spaced ndash}}19:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == 2014 Winter Olympics == | |||
| == Is this an adequate source? == | |||
| ] continues his edit warring on the ] article, he got blocked for (as reported ) → ]: | |||
| Greetings EdJohnston, | |||
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| --] () 19:43, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Recently I was engaged in a discussion with an editor over their use of Youtube videos as media sources within the ] article, . While there is no current dispute and we were able to discuss this amicably, I am still quite unsure about whether or not this is correct seeing Misplaced Pages's stance on self published sources and on ]. | |||
| at Talk revert to consensus version IIIraute don't stop edit warring--] (]) 19:47, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :], you are still fighting to restore your preferred map to show the location of Sochi. This was the issue in the 3RR case. You should try to get a clear consensus on the talk page. The next time you revert the map you may be blocked. ] (]) 20:25, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :at Talk a clear consensus version IIIraute is still fighting to restore preferred map--] (]) 21:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::It looks to me that you still have a 2 vs. 2 tie on which map is the best. Why not pursue the talk discussion to a clear verdict. ] (]) 22:41, 7 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I have added the other map as a compromise settlement → . --] (]) 03:03, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| A ''new account'' with a very similar editing pattern has appeared → ]: | |||
| I would greatly appreciate your insight on the matter. ] (]) 02:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :The policy that applies is surely ]. I would be more concerned about the value of the citation to the article on ], since we are not the Latin Misplaced Pages. Someone reading aloud a letter in Latin to our English-speaking readers won't improve the understanding of the subject by most people. ] (]) 02:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Thank you so much for your input! ] (]) 03:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| ::Hi there, I am joining this as the person who posted the video. In general, the utility of original language content is that the person can (with subtitling) get a sense of the content in the original form. They get to know the sound of what someone wrote, the cadence of their style, which is lost in translation. That has utility, I would argue, especially when the person is someone known for their style. IDK if WP has specific guidance on this, but ] suggests that original language content should appear with English translations. Whether this specific case warrants keeping is another matter and not why I wanted to comment. | |||
| --] (]) 15:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::What I do need clarity on is whether ] has relevance here, as the video is simply a reading, and the readings are from sourced, clearly indicated and verifiable material. To me, the guidance at ] is out of scope. ] ] 18:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::I've posted this ] as I do need clarity on this. ] ] 18:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Update regarding Topic-Ban Observance == | |||
| ] continues his edit warring on the ] article, now that ] got blocked: | |||
| I once again momentarily forgot about my lede image ban and reverted a change to a picture I had uploaded as the lede image for ]. It literally occurred to me at the last moment before making said revert that what I was about to do might violate my topic ban. However, by the time it fully registered, the change had already been made. I have since reverted said change. While I am inclined to ask you to show leniency, I realize I asked you to dismiss a similar occurence around a month ago so I will leave it to your discretion regarding whether further sanctions are warranted. ] (]) 03:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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Is this an adequate source?
Greetings EdJohnston,
Recently I was engaged in a discussion with an editor over their use of Youtube videos as media sources within the Machiavelli article, see here. While there is no current dispute and we were able to discuss this amicably, I am still quite unsure about whether or not this is correct seeing Misplaced Pages's stance on self published sources and on Youtube as a source.
I would greatly appreciate your insight on the matter. Plasticwonder (talk) 02:17, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- The policy that applies is surely WP:RSPYT. I would be more concerned about the value of the citation to the article on Niccolo Machiavelli, since we are not the Latin Misplaced Pages. Someone reading aloud a letter in Latin to our English-speaking readers won't improve the understanding of the subject by most people. EdJohnston (talk) 02:50, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for your input! Plasticwonder (talk) 03:02, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hi there, I am joining this as the person who posted the video. In general, the utility of original language content is that the person can (with subtitling) get a sense of the content in the original form. They get to know the sound of what someone wrote, the cadence of their style, which is lost in translation. That has utility, I would argue, especially when the person is someone known for their style. IDK if WP has specific guidance on this, but MOS:FOREIGNQUOTE suggests that original language content should appear with English translations. Whether this specific case warrants keeping is another matter and not why I wanted to comment.
- What I do need clarity on is whether WP:RSPYT has relevance here, as the video is simply a reading, and the readings are from sourced, clearly indicated and verifiable material. To me, the guidance at WP:RSPYT is out of scope. Jim Killock (talk) 18:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've posted this to the Village pump as I do need clarity on this. Jim Killock (talk) 18:58, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Update regarding Topic-Ban Observance
I once again momentarily forgot about my lede image ban and reverted a change to a picture I had uploaded as the lede image for Hideki Tojo. It literally occurred to me at the last moment before making said revert that what I was about to do might violate my topic ban. However, by the time it fully registered, the change had already been made. I have since reverted said change. While I am inclined to ask you to show leniency, I realize I asked you to dismiss a similar occurence around a month ago so I will leave it to your discretion regarding whether further sanctions are warranted. Emiya1980 (talk) 03:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)