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| Thank you for your offer, and I am happy to, if you please just explain one thing: why isn't Gamaliel the one who's guilty of 3RR violations? He had 3 in 20 Feb., before me. I am not a troll; i honestly believe the other user is the problem. | |||
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| <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''48 hours''' for persistent disruption. There is no point in explaining to you all the reasons why your editing has been unacceptable, as they have already been explained to you at length, by numerous editors. However, for the benefit of anyone else who has cause to read this, I will just put on record a few points. You have been edit warring at ] since 20 February, it has been made clear at ] at ] and at ] that your editing is against consensus. It has been made clear to you, in fact, that consensus is that not only your editing of the article, but also your editing of its talk page is unacceptable. You previously narrowly avoided a block by responding to an administrator in a way which suggested that you were willing to change your approach, but in fact you made no such change. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}. However, you should read the ] first. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "]" (]) 14:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block --> | |||
| {{unblock reviewed|reason=No fair warning or opportunity to be heard given before block that arose from spurious charge of vandalism against my own talk page] (]) 19:35, 7 March 2014 (UTC)|decline=, but you and persisted in your behavior. ] (]) 20:37, 7 March 2014 (UTC)}} | |||
| {{unblock reviewed | 1=The only block warning I received was from the same user I was arguing with; I am unclear if they are an admin or not and if they had any authority to issue such a warning. If I had received a warning from a clearly identified admin I would have acted differently, although I do not understand what rule I broke in my RfC post. ] (]) 8:56 pm, Today (UTC+0) | decline = So you think it's okay to ignore the rules as long as you haven't been warned by someone you deem worthy enough to issue such a warning? Frankly, that's ridiculous. You need to drop this line of argument right now if you ever hope to lodge a successful unblock appeal. ] ]‍] 23:07, 7 March 2014 (UTC)}} | |||
| : I was not aware RedPenofDoom was an admin. Are they? They are the one involved in the argument, which is why I did not put a huge amount of weight on their "warning." ] (]) 20:44, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| : Perhaps you could have given me a warning about a potential block? Did you ever consider that? Do you always block people without asking their side? I started a RfC to try to get fresh users, only to have it immediately deleted by the same user who's been arguing all along (then they reported me for "vandalism" when I restored it). I brought the same admin from last time into the discussion yesterday and they didn't say I was doing anything wrong. So your description of my behavior is not accurate. The 2 other editors have been trying to shut down this debate since it began by 1. claiming I broke some constantly changing rule and 2. insisting I prove I didn't. You should have weighed that before issuing a block, or asked for my side. I have noticed here on Misplaced Pages editors cast aspersions very easily - I was repeatedly accused of being an SPA, for example. Perhaps you have made a big mistake. You should consider that. ] (]) 19:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::It may possibly save the administrator who assesses the latest unblock request a little time searching if I give links to three warnings of the possibility of a block, from three different editors: , , . There was also a mention of a possible block in the discussion about this at the edit warring noticeboard, which can be seen . For Useitorloseit's benefit, I shall explain that any editor may warn an editor who may be heading for a block, to help that editor change their actions and thus avoid being blocked: a warnings is not somehow invalid if it comes from someone who is not an administrator. However, C.Fred is an administrator, and he gave you not just a general warning that you might be blocked, but a specific warning that he would block you unless you changed your ways. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "]" (]) 21:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::: First, I had no idea any editor could warn anyone. That is a recipe for disaster, IMHO. Second, the first two warnings are the old ones from the first edit war, which I had made a good faith effort to move past by soliciting comments and taking a cooling off period. I think those warnings should have "expired". The last warning you cite is the same one I already disputed: it was from the same user I was arguing with, and it was a spurious accusation. I brought C.Fred in AFTER that and he made no comment about any misbehavior on my part. So the claim I ignored warning is just not accurate. The other users and I have a disagreement about BLP; I have tried to answer their concerns, but they don't do anything but make conclusory statements like "You violated BLP" and "Quit violating BLP or we'll report you." You cannot reach consensus with people like that.] (]) 21:36, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| == Citations for Coates's arrest == | |||
| Misplaced Pages says consensus is determined by the quality of the arguments. So here's mine: | |||
| Here's the original blog post I read that I had been trying to find for a while (note that the author refers readers to "longer version' in his book: | |||
| http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/07/a-quick-note-on-violence/259508/ | |||
| Here's another: | |||
| http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/06/if-i-were-a-black-kid/276655/ | |||
| Here's another: | |||
| http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-littlest-schoolhouse/308132/ | |||
| Here's another: | |||
| http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2009/06/things-i-dont-understand/19326/ | |||
| Here's a piece referring to the adult author's temptation to hit someone and how he resisted, using lessons from his upbringing: http://www.theatlantic.com/personal/archive/2010/10/a-culture-of-poverty/64854/ | |||
| Here's a piece discussing the author by highlighting his background (not sure if it's worthy of inclusion as a cite or not): | |||
| http://2014.wascarc.org/content/ta-nehisi-coates-why-we-teach-and-why-we-learn | |||
| That's four of the author's own blog posts, plus his book, totaling '''5 sources''', all mentioning his arrest and suspensions. If that's not reliable and notable enough, I don't know what is. Face it: the arrest is relevant to this guy. ] (]) 21:10, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :In other words, it has never been reported on by an independent or third party source. — ] 22:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: Can you honestly say you don't think it is true? ] (]) 22:30, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::] — ] 22:42, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Reliability is the issue, and the author's own mentions, frequently repeated over the years, of negative incidents from his own past should be enough for anyone to believe.] (]) 22:58, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::You know, if you wanted to write a biography of the guy, and this incident was included in the context of what he and others have written about his life, that would be one thing. But that's not what you are doing here. You came here to get people to think that he's a criminal, despite him never (to your knowledge) being charged with a crime. It seems like you have some kind of animosity against this guy for some reason. — ] 23:09, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Gee, "write a biography and include it in the context of what he wrote" - if only there was an online place to do that! That is precisely what I am doing. And please don't make assumptions about why I came here. I came here because I was aware of his arrest and thought it illuminated his career and writings in a meaningful way and therefore deserved a mention. That's all. He's the one who talks about it; doesn't that count for anything? My opinion of Coates is irrelevant.] (]) 23:25, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| RedPenofDoom, do not write on my Talk page again unless I give you permission, or I will report you for vandalism. You are not a serious discusser of this topic because you only make conclusory statements: , , and , to list a few. A conclusory statement is when you merely state the matter as fact rather than explain why it is a fact. So talking to you is an utter waste of time here.] (]) 01:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| I never said I "ignored rules." I thought there was a system on Misplaced Pages about who gave "official warnings", and getting one from the user who was trying to delete my attempt to encourage discussion didn't seem very official to me. You are basically telling me any user can threaten any other user with a warning. That is a ludicrous system.] (]) 23:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :The purpose of warning you about a policy is so that you know about the policy, and can start complying with it: it is not a "threat". The idea that only certain people should be able to help an inexperienced editor by letting him or her know about a policy that he or she doesn't know about makes no sense. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "]" (]) 00:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :: I said nothing about merely letting them know about a policy. I'm talking about issuing official warnings. Big difference. Especially since the user doing the warning was highly involved and not a 3rd party to the dispute.] (]) 01:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Unblocked per community discussion at . Please try to not let all the people who had their faith in you down. My personal advice is to back out of disputes when tempers get high even if you care a lot. Especially when you care a lot. That's what I myself do. Max Semenik (talk) 23:11, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- I've tweaked your block to allow editing this page - please confirm it's really you. I can post your request to WP:AN and start an unblock discussion, but a more verbose request explaining what was wrong before and how you're going to avoid it in the future would improve your chances (from your current request it's less clear ). Max Semenik (talk) 17:59, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's me. Let me know if you need more verification. I added to my post. If you could go to AN with this, I'd appreciate it. Useitorloseit (talk) 22:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- @MaxSem: Not sure if you saw my expanded post above. Could you let me know whether my request will move forward or not? Thanks. Useitorloseit (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry, lost track of this request. Here we go: WP:AN#Useitorloseit unblock request. Max Semenik (talk) 21:16, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Chillum:. I have no idea what the rules are for discussing your own Standard offer, so strike this if improper, but in answer to your questions: the sanctions were a 1RR rule, and as far as I know there was no discussion leading to my final block (former admin Secret deleted my block evasion sock post at RfA then Rjd0060 indef blocked me). Useitorloseit (talk) 23:15, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
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Please could I ask u why u removed the lead sentence in Jack Nicholson's article about Dril? It's notable since there is already a Misplaced Pages article about him, and relevant as it shows Nicholson's place in popular culture. There was a source from a book describing Dril's notability, I see no reason for its removal. 92.10.13.209 (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- I didn't think the blurb was notable enough to belong in the lead section of the article. Perhaps in the body of the article in a "legacy" or "influence" section. Useitorloseit (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)