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== Editing trouble ==
== Guideline conflict notification ==


Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on ]. Can you give me an explication? ] (]) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello - I wanted to let you know I have posted a question regarding the possible conflict between ] and ] I believe we uncovered in the ] edit war. You will find it on ]. I did mention you as part of this but not in any derogatory way - it was only to establish the background of the possible conflict for the admins' understanding. I am encouraged that everyone involved is attempting to resolve this issue amicably, and again apologize if I have done anything wrong. ] (]) 04:28, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
:You added influences with no references. ] (]) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)


== Kate O'Mara == == Greenwood ==


How is the Daily Mail any more or less reliable than any other newspaper? (] (]) 18:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)) Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? ] (]) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)


== KB edit ==
:Really. ] (]) 00:19, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.
== Thunderbolt manufacture costs ==


Thanks for your edit. I, too, prefer the Air Force museum as a source and $85K as the 1945 cost. The other figure is not entirely wrong, though: Air enthusiast Warren Bodie reports in one of his books that the cost of production droppped from $105,594 in 1942 to $83,001 in 1945. FWIW. --] (]) 14:04, 31 March 2014 (UTC) If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. ] (]) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)


:Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. ] (]) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
== Varsity Trip ==
::I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. ] (]) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. ] (]) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at ]. ] (]) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::::This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. ] (]) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. ] (]) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)


== Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article ==
Binksternet, whilst I appreciate that your editing of the Varsity Trip page has improved several sections, and you are technically correct to remove the section naming those who have received Discretionary Blues as it has no source cited (I am in the process of getting the Blues committee at Oxford to update their list of skiing Blues), I can guarantee that those named did in fact receive Discretionary Full Blues, as I was present at the Blues Committee meetings where they were awarded, and would appreciate it if you did not remove the edit re-instating this section ] (]) 22:27, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


] (]) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
:Misplaced Pages has a curious requirement that anything published in the encyclopedia be previously published somewhere else in a verifiable form. See the policy page ]. (You'll notice that the Misplaced Pages rules contrast markedly with normal authorship and research methods.) If you can tell us where the information has been published, its title and author, then you can back the desired text with a reference naming the published source. ] (]) 02:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
:Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
:In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. ] (]) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
::Then add it to the body. ] (]) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
::Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group . ] (]) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)


== FYI for ] == == Shane McRae edits ==


Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? ] (]) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Regarding , I believe the addition of the picture of the duct-taped girl was meant in good faith.


:Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. ] (]) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Although I agree it was inappropriate for the page ], for the record I don't think it had anything to do with abuse of any sort: Gagged222 often adds similar pictures (including that one) to the page ] in order to portray consenting adults who enjoy the activity. It helps readers visualize the material on the page, and is constructive. I do believe context matters, and might give a softer warning if Gagged222 does something similar again. ] (]) 17:20, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


== You've Got To Hide Your Love Away ==
:I have tangled with that guy previously, getting some of his photographs deleted from commons, one that looked like it was taken from another online source, and one that appeared to have no permission from the subject. I don't have a lot of compassion for this contributor. ] (]) 17:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. ] (]) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
::"No evidence that this image has the approval of the person depicted." (from the latter).
::I see what you mean now, and will be a little more careful next time I see them editing. ] (]) 17:40, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


:] is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. ] (]) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? ] (]) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
:::The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for ]. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. ] (]) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Their version of the song '''was''' mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a '''published fact''' that The Beach Boys, '''an extremely notable band,''' released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I '''am''' providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which '''in and of itself''' is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You '''are''' pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own '''personal''' interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you '''do''' in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. ] (]) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::Sticking to what you did, was still a violation of ]. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
:::::Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: ] says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. ] (]) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== Willow Smith ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Harvey_Whittemore&diff=602338769&oldid=602338096


You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ] (]) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
I put quotes around "Harvey" (even though it's his middle name) because I wanted to show that the name he goes by and is known by is Harvey, not Frederick. How can I show that without quotes? ... Frederick Harvey Whittemore, known as Harvey Whittemore,....? ] (]) 20:19, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:The biography page is named "Harvey Whittemore", and the infobox also says "Harvey Whittemore" at the top. If you wanted to describe how, when or why Mr. Whittemore goes by his middle name, you would need a source.
:So that is a crab-wise response, not really an answer to your exact question. I don't know the exact answer. ] (]) 20:50, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks :) ] (]) 17:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)


:I got that one backwards. Sorry. ] (]) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: ]. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report ], but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? —&nbsp;] ] 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
It would be ''really'' helpful for growing the program if you would fill out this short survey about your usage and experience with JSTOR:
:Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username ] and should be blocked as a spoof. ] (]) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:That is not me. ] (]) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)


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I don't think "]" and "]" are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here?<span id="Qwerfjkl:1731607610022:User_talkFTTCLNBinksternet" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;]] 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)</span>
Cheers, ] via ] (]) 20:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
:Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. ] (]) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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First of all, I would like to say thank you for responding to my "Rock" section of the Talk:Led Zeppelin page. Secondly, I would like to ask you a quick question: Do you think the change I proposed for Zeppelin's infobox (simplifying the genres) should be used for all artists' infoboxes, and if so, could you see if it is something you could bring up on, say, a Wikiproject on this subject when you get the chance (if its not too much to ask)? (the reason for that last question is that you seem to be quite experienced with Misplaced Pages, and people would probably take your advise more seriously than mine, due to the fact that I am relatively new to Misplaced Pages) Thanks! ] (]) 22:16, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
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:Yes, I believe that the infobox parameter for the genre of a musical artist should be as succinct as possible, broad and general rather than an exhaustive list. I think the article body is the proper place for describing complexity, while the infobox should be simple.
:] with the community of musical editors turned out not very fruitful, and so I don't expect different results if I propose a simplification of the genre parameter. ] (]) 23:07, 2 April 2014 (UTC)


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::I agree with you. I think that the more general the infobox, the less opportunity there is for "genre wars" to ensue. This particularly happens with artists like, say, Queen, who played in a wide variety of styles. If we tried to put down every possible genre they did in the infobox, it would become very confusing. I also agree that the proper place for getting more in depth is in the musical style section. Thanks for your time! I'll try introducing this on several other bands' talk pages to see if our idea can spread. ] (]) 00:12, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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:::Queen is a great example of a rock band that played songs in many genres. I would put them in the rock genre, then explain their variety in the article body.
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== Question about an author and his book ==
== Yellow Submarine ==


Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. ] (]) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
No, it wasn't a mistake. The reason for the change was that on the iTunes entry of Yellow Submarine, the album is presented as a work of "The Beatles", not "The Beatles and George Martin". Also, the cover itself states "The Beatles". I know George Martin is the author and artist of the whole second side of the album, but he isn't credited as the album artist.
:The problem with his books is that they are self-published through ]. That means ] is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? ] (]) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I can appreciate that iTunes might be considered a reliable source, though it is impossible to determine how Apple arrived at their designation. ] (]) 02:52, 7 April 2014 (UTC) ::I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I ''could'' be inaccurate on that though. ] (]) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)


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:Looks good. I'll probably take 15 minutes and watch the film online today.
:Sony's complaint will likely get more specific in the next day or so, as they get their spokespeople on the case. We should tell the reader what was Sony's exact gripe, if there is one. Otherwise, we should tell the reader that Sony had no specific complaint. ] (]) 13:49, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - ] (]) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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:Well, that didn't last long!] (]) 17:13, 7 April 2014 (UTC) :I will ping you offline. ] (]) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
::Yup. ] (]) 17:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


::Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - ] (]) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
== height of hypocrisy ==


:::You presume correctly. ] (]) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
What did I tell you a month ago, on this page? ''"these "reminders" of yours are unwelcome and you are hereby instructed to keep them off my Talk page. Any questions?"'' Could that have been any clearer? I think not. You then proceed to ignore that, which is one thing, but you then insist I stay off the Talk pages of others. Do I need to lock my Talk page? Seriously.--] (]) 17:53, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. ] (]) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


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:Your wish to be free of such formal reminders is not a guarantee that you will actually be free of them. They are a required element in ] cases. ] (]) 17:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::If that was a "formal reminder" then where is the case? ''There is no case because your reminder was simply intended to harass.'' Your effort to address anything substantive about the edits was, of course, again nil. I take your response here as a refusal to respect my request and that I must accordingly approach an admin to request assistance with respect to dealing with your harassment if it happens again. Is that right? I remind you that I have always remained open to any discussion on my Talk page or elsewhere that constitutes a good faith effort to resolve content issues.--] (]) 18:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::The formal reminder comes ''before'' the case, and is not automatically followed by the case. I will file a case if you take 3RR to 4RR, in my warning. ] (]) 18:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::So you did not have to harass me, then, because it remains to be seen what you will do. You said earlier you were compelled by the rules ("required element"). Apparently there was no "requirement" because the thing generating the requirement isn't there. You appear to be saying that you reserve the right to "formally remind" me even if you have no case and never intend to to try and make one until you do have a case. It would go over just fine with you were I to routinely remind Petrachan on her Talk page of edit warring policy, would it? Let me be perfectly clear: if there is any such "reminder" and there is no case then as far as I am concerned that is harassment and I will have to ask for community/administrative help in dealing with your harassment. Any questions? By the way, you can consider this a "formal reminder" from me to you to cease edit warring since you evidently think you cannot solve a problem without a prior "formal" step, even when it is quite obviously pointless to "remind" an editor of what any reasonable person would believe that editor is already be aware of. If you spent half as much time defending your removal of all those reliable sources as you do preparing your "case" or otherwise trying to wiki-lawyer, perhaps the encyclopaedia would start taking more priority with you.--] (]) 19:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::From what I've seen, most admins working reports at the 3RR noticeboard look for several things in the report. First, is there technically four reverts in 24 hours. Second, is there an attempt at discussion over the edits. Third, were the user(s) being reported warned that they are edit-warring and at risk of breaching the 3RR limit PRIOR to the final revert. If the report doesn't include those, the admin will often refer to what was missing. For example, close the report warning the reported user they are past 3RR and another revert would cause a block. <b><font color="darkred">]</font></b> <font color="black">(])</font> 19:37, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::That's simply not true, Ravensfire. Binksternet's last filing against me got me blocked (the only time since I joined Misplaced Pages in 2005) despite BOTH the second ("attempt to discuss" was only present with respect to me) AND third elements (my Talk page notice was that the prosecution was already under way) you identify being conspicuously absent. It ONLY turns on technicalities (there is nothing in the 3RR section that imposes any requirement to discuss) and I would refer you to my comments about this on the ] Talk page.--] (]) 20:06, 7 April 2014 (UTC)


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:::::::::''"...AND third elements (my Talk page notice was that the prosecution was already under way)..."''<br>. First one which you and second one which you removed with the folloowing edit summary: .<br>So much for honesty. Cheers, ] (]) 20:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
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::::::::::You're going to presume to lecture me about what I remove from my Talk page after you've removed three of my comments from your Talk page ''just today''? It isn't "trolling" to tell ME to "consider using the article's Talk page" when I had used it more than anyone? Binksternet reverted my ''addition'' of Soldatov's comment twice (a content objection he apparently no longer holds because that comment has now been in the article for weeks!) and sprung the trap on me for, without an intervening edit by another, that, as you can also see from my edit summary, amounted to little more than changing "officials" in the plural to the singular, a change I had good reason to believe Petrarchan (and therefore Binksternet) would not object to given developments on the Talk page about using Masnick as a source. Had I been tipped off that I was offside 3RR on what was incidental to the Soldatov add, I would have self-reverted. But that would have allowed me to escape the block and thus it was that I had to be blindsided with the case already underway. You "honest" believe that that warning from Petrarchan concerned adding an "s" to Pentagon official and not ''a different'' content dispute, do you?--] (]) 22:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::The 3RRN process includes the filling out of a standard form containing various diffs and links. One of these diffs or links is supposed to be a link to the 3RR warning. Another one is supposed to point to a good-faith attempt to talk about the dispute. Since you are discussing the disputed material on the article talk page, the requirement for discussion is met.
::::::::You can also be blocked for general tendentiousness, and for edit warring even if there are not four reverts a 24-hr period. Such blocks are at the discretion of the blocking admin, who should in any case tell you why you were blocked. ] (]) 20:33, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::A "form" you filled out by throwing in old diffs because you were unable to ''substantively'' make your case by pointing to any edits of yours within the 24 hour period at issue except your reverts of me. Of course the admin just let that slide. The "form" matters more than the substance. At least you admit here with "YOU are discussing the disputed material on the article talk page, the requirement for discussion is met" that the party who satisfied the "requirement for discussion" was ME. How about heading over to the edit warring policy Talk page and taking a look at that comment by a relatively prominent Wikipedian which denounces the wiki-lawyering mentality and to which I respond "hear, hear"? Do you have anything to say about that? I was blocked because I removed "s" from "Pentagon officials" four times in 24 hours (the only source for the plural being Mike Masnick's hyperventilating blog) and you caught me on that. Petrachan then for unanimous agreement with me on the content issue. But you got your block, didn't you? Take a bow.--] (]) 21:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::Ri-ight. You got blocked because I was a bad person. <rolling of eyes> ] (]) 22:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::The fact that you successfully used a warning to not perform more than three reverts on a single page within 24 hours to prosecute a case that you initiated ''more than 50 hours after that warning'' suggests that you could just trot out one of your old warnings next time instead of making a new one (that you've been clearly told would be unwelcome), does it not? I think you've given notice enough times already to do you for quite a while.--] (]) 23:26, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::You were warned , then you at 00:45, February 23. It looks more like 16 hours than 50.
::::::::::::You also seem to think that edit warring is okay if you're right, which when combined with the feeling that you are always right should make you immune to blocks. Since you got blocked anyway, you hold on to the feeling of righteous indignation, without acknowledging that you had a hand in it. I think it's time to examine that guy in the mirror and admit your guilt. ] (]) 23:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I suggest you stop trying to mislead any readers here into concluding that this was consistent with the spirit of ] If you are going to rest your case on the contention that "before" is not qualified (what was YOUR 50 hour old diff doing there in the "form" if you weren't using it? The admin never complained that that one was dated, did he?) then, again, you've already got a stable of warnings to choose from that were "issued before the 4th revert" without needing any new ones.
:::::::::::::Do you see the part in the admin instructions where it says "Administrators are only recommended to make blocks where it will prevent damage to Misplaced Pages"? In this diff that you present as my "text revert", pretty much all of what I moved the article to in that edit is now part of the article. Looks like this block failed to prevent the supposed damage from sticking, doesn't it? But then defending the Wiki was never the object, was it?
:::::::::::::There's another element here that you are supposed to satisfy before litigating and that's an effort to discuss. How about first satisfying ''that'' element before heading over to my Talk page to issue the umpteenth threat to Wiki-sue?--] (]) 00:30, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You will have noticed, of course, that started several days in advance of your 4RR violation, to establish how the content was introduced by you, and that you had been reverting earlier, but only at the level of two reverts in a 24hr period. I put my 50-hour warning in there to show that you had been warned ''twice'' in that particular 57-hour sequence of events, yet you broke 4RR anyway. Regarding content, edit warring is not made legal if the content is later accepted by consensus (or the non-response of sheer exhaustion). ] (]) 00:44, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Unrelated content, you mean, that you threw in in order to create the misleading impression of a continuous "sequence", while conveniently ignoring all my simultaneous interaction on the article Talk page. The only common element to the full "sequence" that had any substance beyond style considerations was whether "officials" should be plural or not. A point which appeared to have been conceded on the Talk page when Petrarchan suggested Masnick was not being used to support any claims. Meanwhile, you could not be bothered to reply to my many comments on the article Talk page. Why are you trying to defend your stunt here anyway (as opposed to on the Edit Warring Talk page or my Talk page or the blocking admin's Talk page or any other place where I called attention to it)? Is your conscience bothering you? As for "legal", that's all that matters to you, isn't it? More than once you have "legally" edit warred with me without even bothering to look at the content you were reverting.--] (]) 01:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::You appear to be under the misapprehension that a series of reverts must be about the same text in order to be considered for 3RR/4RR. That is not the case. ''Any'' revert counts. ] (]) 06:13, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Because that makes sense. Not. I refer you again to DGG's comment on the ] Talk page where he demolishes pretty much everything you stand for. Why don't you jump in there and defend your tactics if they are so honourable? Petrarchan just went 6RR in less than two and a half hours ''about the same block of text.'' THAT is edit warring. Yet you stand ready to spit venom at anyone who takes exception to either her edit warring or her continuous baseless accusations of ]. You two are clearly not about to stopped by anything like a conscience, are you?--] (]) 21:25, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I note that after I called attention to the 6RR here, she self-reverted back to 5RR. So John V and I (temporarily at least) get the content result we think is better without prosecuting anyone. And I didn't need to post a "formal reminder" on her Talk page in order to tip her off (or give her time to figure out) that she was (well) into prosecutable territory. Why didn't I pin her at 6RR with another revert that I was "legally" allowed in order to maximize the case against her (and possibly even bait her into 7RR) and then prosecute that case? ''Because I'm not you.''--] (]) 21:52, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}I was busy away from the keyboard for a little while, but then I found some time to rework the lead section using the safe passage document from the Ecuadorian consulate in London. I can see now that Petra hit 6RR but she self-reverted, so now a blocking admin can see that she is aware of the problem and no longer presents a disruption problem—no longer requires a block. ] (]) 22:56, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
:So from now on you are going to give editors an opportunity to self-revert and only seek a block if they fail to do so. I approve!--] (]) 23:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


== Hey friend. ==
== Slight change in the White Album move discussion ==


You might look back to the ] article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. ] (]) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
The proposed move of '']'' to ''The White Album'' has been altered slightly, to the simpler ''White Album.'' I'm letting you know in case you'd like to review your vote. '''''D''''']]&#124;<sup>]</sup> 01:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
:Cheers. I'll take another look. ] (]) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
::I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per ], the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per ], the plot section is written in the ], which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. ] (]) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I support your redactive edits to move ] away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. ] (]) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)


== Well... == == 808s & Heartbreak ==
Edit: Maybe I got indignant over nothing, it could be a DHCP issue. I still reference the one time I edited the Concord California page of some racist vandalism as my positive experience editing wikipedia. Came here and saw this.


It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in '']'' . ] (]) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
"Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, please do not add promotional material to articles or other Misplaced Pages pages, as you did to Concord, California. Advertising and using Misplaced Pages as a "soapbox" are against Misplaced Pages policy and not permitted. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about Misplaced Pages. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)"
:Socking as a lifetime career. ] (]) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
However can't find what I changed in accordance with those dates. So I probably messed up on this and apologize.
::Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point ]. ] (]) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Uh... Oh dear.
:::It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
:::That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. ] (]) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. ] (]) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)


== A barnstar for you! ==
] (]) 09:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


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:{{tps}} How did you just come to Misplaced Pages and receive a message from 2010? Possibly a really, really slow internet connection. Also: what are "pieces of fuck"? I've heard of pieces of shit, but not pieces of fuck. What would a piece of fuck actually ''look'' like? A stain cannot accurately be called a ''piece'', for the record. ] ] 09:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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:I agree it looks like a dynamic IP assignment issue. Your removal of a abusive text is to be praised, not punished. That message from me is four years old and was intended for some anonymous person, not you.
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:My 2010 message was sparked by a promotional addition which —the addition of a link to the Claycord blog, which has as a legitimate news site. So it looks like my removal in 2010 was premature. You win on two counts. ] (]) 12:05, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for your infinite patience when efficiently dealing with the Long-time abusers over at ] and at your own talk page. ] (]) 14:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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==Sockpuppet==
:Thanks! Appreciated. ] (]) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
I have not abused multiple accounts and have not breached the policy on meat-puppetry. What am I suppose to do about this anon user that keeps trolling me? ] (]) 21:24, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

:You have certainly violated , because of the abuse of multiple accounts. To continue editing Misplaced Pages in any form, you must return to the GoldDragon account and try to convince the community that you should have editing rights restored. Because of your extensive sockpuppeting, such a request will likely be refused. Nevertheless, it is your only option. ] (]) 21:31, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


== Invitation to participate in ] ==
::How do I set this up, and are you willing to vouch for me, or are you just going to follow the same procedure based on that anon tip? I do believe that I am a productive editor (although I still have work to engage in discussion more often), but I should feel that I otherwise should be left alone except for vandalism or edit warring incidents. And doesn't constitute harassment or trolling? ] (]) 21:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Hello, I noticed you are a user who frequents ] and thought you might be interested in ]. It is an initiative that helps articles get reviewed more quickly through collaborative efforts. By joining, you will review another user's article and get your own GA nomination reviewed in return. ''']!''' —
:Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. ] (]) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
::Appreciate it! ] (]) 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)


== Quick question ==
:::To start over, you will need to wait six months without socking, then appeal to the community. See ].
:::Regarding the reversion of your edits by myself or the anonymous Ottawa IP editor, these are allowed by policy:
:::*At ], the policy says that "reverting edits by banned or blocked users is not edit warring."
:::*At ], the policy says that "reverting actions performed by banned users, and sockpuppets of banned and blocked users" is not a 3RR violation.
:::*At ], the policy says that "anyone is free to revert any edits made in violation of a block, without giving any further reason and without regard to the three-revert rule. This does not mean that edits must be reverted just because they were made by a blocked editor (obviously helpful changes, such as fixing typos or undoing vandalism, can be allowed to stand), but the presumption in ambiguous cases should be to revert."
:::*At ], the policy says that "edits by the editor or on his or her behalf may be reverted without question".
:::So all of these policy statements support the actions of myself and the IP from Ottawa to remove all the work you performed over the last two months. Basically, anything you do on Misplaced Pages can be reverted until you follow the procedure for regaining your GoldDragon account. ] (]) 22:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (]). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! —&nbsp;] ] 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::Does the Ottawa IP behavior constitute trolling? Once they jump onto me, they just revert and alert you guys. Their whole edit history here is just revert, revert, revert, nothing productive though technically legal, and because they stay anon then there isn't any point in using the talk page. Isn't there any way that admins can just tell the anon to back off, so the onus is not solely on me to wait it out in order to get into the community? ] (]) 02:13, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


:The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at ].
:::The onus is fully on you. The Ottawa IP has policy on his side, since anyone can revert the work of a blocked editor. ] (]) 02:18, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
:I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. ] (]) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
::I see, got it. —&nbsp;] ] 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)


== Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia ==
::::If this battle with the Ottawa IP to keep continuing, a lot of legit contributions will just go down the drain. Is there any way to get it to end, or does that mean that I have to wave the white flag? I don't feel that option is fair as I haven't done anything that bad to merit a lifetime ban. ] (]) 02:35, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Technically, none of your edits were "legit" since they were performed in violation of the block placed on GoldDragon. Naturally, you are concerned that valuable improvements to the encyclopedia are being rolled back. The way to correct this is to adopt the long-range view and follow my previous advice: do not touch Misplaced Pages in any form for six months and then make a plea to the community per ]. That's all the advice I've got for you. ] (]) 02:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)


Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.
==Collapse or descent of the WTC==
Hi Binksternet. Re: Collapse of the World Trade Center: Yes, as you'll see from my comments, my edits were to promote factual and neutral information -- the same thing you value. There was also a large amount of outdated information on this page. Unless you can show that the information posted is incorrect, please just leave the edits as are. It is factual information, backed up by the references I provide. Much of the information I removed was not sourced or was sourced incorrectly. Please let's try to keep Misplaced Pages factual and neutral. Thanks. jasne9. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 00:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.
:You wrote that the building descended rather than collapsed. That concept is not found in the cited source. ] (]) 00:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


Many thanks for your attention, ]&#124;] 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:: The word "descended" is not a concept. It is a factual description of the building's movements. The word "collapse", however, is a concept. I won't quibble at length over this, however, you do need to revert to my edits regarding collapse initiation. What was there is a confused and outdated description. Nor does NIST claim this is what happened. They are presenting their best hypothesis; you cannot claim it as fact. The section on progressive collapse is also now moot. It is not supported in the NIST reports. Please read them. Some of that information also is redundant, as it has been stated elsewhere.


:I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. ] (]) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::Please help keep Misplaced Pages neutral and factual. ]
::{{tps}} ], I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. ] &#124; ] 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
::: Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! ]&#124;] 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
::::I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, ]&#124;] 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. ] (]) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)


== Origin of the term "Lost Cause" ==
:::If the whole building "descended" it would have submerged into the mud and bedrock of Manhattan. The ''top'' descended, but the more apt wording is that the building collapsed. ] (]) 00:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)


You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. ] (]) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
::::I will defer to the use of "collapse", since that is what most people understand it as. Please note my comments about the other edits, though. Some of that information is outdated and incorrect. It is also presenting hypothesis as fact. In academic writing and discourse, viewpoints and theories must be credited to their respective proponents. This has not been done here. --] (]) 00:52, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. ] (]) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)


== Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ==
'''Apr 16: Corrections made:''' I will do these piece by piece so potential editors can verify for factuality.
Removed: ''"In both cases, the portion of the building that had been damaged by the airplanes failed, which allowed the section above the airplane impacts to fall onto the undamaged structure below."'' Unsourced and incorrect. In the case of WTC 1, perimeter failure initiated on the south face, according to NIST. Edited the rest for clarity, factuality and neutrality. Updated citation. --] (]) 02:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


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== Black genocide ==
*See ]. ] (]) 21:17, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
*See ]. ] (]) 22:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


== "Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please. ==
== Antony Booth ==


Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the ] page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.] (]) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
I thought that a wriiten reference to his birth registration would have been sufficient. How can I improve on that? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== History of Chinese Americans ==
:Your included a contradiction of a commonly reported fact, and an "allegedly" assertion. You added no reference for this stuff. also included no citation to a reliable source. Please reade ] for some instructions. ] (]) 16:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


I'm not going to revert , but I will argue that the text added to ] is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious ] issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, ] (]) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
==IPs from Lima, Peru==
:Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. ] (]) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Hello B. I noticed that you had to revert yet another IP from Peru who was altering wikiproject banners on various actor talkpages. This has been going on for, at least, a few weeks now and I am wondering if this has been brought to the attention of any noticeboards/admins? If not no worries we will keep reverting whenever they pop up. Thanks for your vigilance and cheers. ] | ] 18:17, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


== WTF DUDE???? ==
:Yes. At ], the general assessment was that nothing could be done without too much collateral damage. So the task of reverting this guy has become part of my Sisyphean regimen of vandal fighting. ] (]) 18:28, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it ] (]) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the link and the info. Yep, Sisyphus is among the pantheon of Misplaced Pages mascots :-)
:I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single , so you got me there. ] (]) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
BTW you might enjoy . I remember seeing it at an animation festival many moons ago. I'm glad that the net now allows me to share it with others. Thanks again. ] | ] 18:48, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


== Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers ==
== Kelseys ==


Hiya Binkster! Didn't know you knew the Kelseys! If you liked the first wee edit to ], you may like the new addition - a photo of the mad man himself. Plus I added information to ], I am thinking of DYK-ing that page, what do you think? With best wishes! ] (]) 20:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC) Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. ] (]) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


:As I understand ] and ], the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The ''Time'' magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. ] (]) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:Good stuff! I ''don't'' know the Kelseys, but I appreciate your work on California history. A while back I put the hatnote at the top of the biography, to disambiguate between the Cali Kelseys and an airman. ] (]) 20:03, 17 April 2014 (UTC)


== I'm going to need some evidence for this claim ==
== My edits ==


I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. ] (]) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
Hey I was wondering why you took off my edits? I just wanted some clarification on why you thought my edits were "Joke" edits. I am editing the unmanned aerial vehicle page for a college class. I am very interested in this page. I've made about 7 edits and you have taken off 3 of them. i would love to hear your point of view on my edits. please respond back.
:See ] which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. ] (]) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)


== Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky ==
Thanks, Andrew <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:31, 17 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . ] (]) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:The first problem you created was that you copied and pasted text from your source, which is a copyright violation. The second problem is that high-speed internet in remote parts of the world is impossible. Instead, fairly slow satellite internet is available, with speeds of 2 to 20 kbps, but usually less than 3 kbps. That is super crawling slow, compared to Starbucks. ] (]) 21:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
:I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from ] to ] which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. ] (]) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)


== Your recent edits make no sense. ==
== Help please ==


The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? ] (]) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi there Binkster, I need some advise. The ] article, a featured article by Moni, is going through a series of edits, mostly related to style or punctuation, but other small edits as well. When you have time would you please take a look and note my edit on talk also. I'd like to revert all of his edits but don't know if I dare... I had hoped to leave a few of his changes but he's just going on and on and I'm starting to get angry that anyone would be so arrogant as to make so many changes to a featured article. ] (]) 00:52, 18 April 2014 (UTC)


:Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per ]. Back in 2021 ] instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. ] (]) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:Of course a Featured Article may still have room for improvement, but I will look at the situation. If you think the improvements are not worth keeping, they probably aren't. ] (]) 04:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
::Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. ] (]) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. ] (]) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::::It was a ''lack'' of sources I was going on. ] (]) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)


== Various questions .. but for starters .. ==
::I saw that the new changes were largely for the better. I restored the unspaced em dashes which had been longstanding article style. Otherwise, I don't have any adverse reaction to the grammar improvements.
::The article's history shows that big chunks of text were recently removed. That means it was not such high quality as the FA label would suggest. ] (]) 04:48, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
== Report on ANI ==


Why would you revert the italicization of ]. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? ] (]) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. ] (]) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
::Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in ] and ] and ] and ]? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --] (]) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:::] says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at ] was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. ] (]) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hello. I don't understand what did I do wrong on my last edit on Jaska Raatikainen. Can you give me an explication? Loyal to Metal (talk) 07:42, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

You added influences with no references. Binksternet (talk) 13:33, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Greenwood

Hi, Could you please explain why you remove my edit? Rabbitsforever (talk) 19:28, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

KB edit

Hi! I noticed that you reverted my edits for the wiki page of Kathryn Bernardo. I overhauled the whole page as there are too many unnecessary info and clutter. I also corrected a lot of grammatical errors which I think devalues the page.

If you will compare my edit from the previous one, it is a big improvement as it is more coherent and concise. I also added present vital info as there are a lot that has been missed. If I may, I will revert my edits on that page as it took me hours to finish it. Rest assured that no critical info has been removed. Thank you. Itslouagain (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Whatever improvements you have planned for the biography, don't remove existing citations. The biography is supposed to be a summary of published material, and the citations represent that material. Binksternet (talk) 14:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
I will restore the sources on the previous edit. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:08, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Can I revert back my edit and restore back the sources previously present? I want to avoid edit warring so I'll ask for your permission. Itslouagain (talk) 14:11, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
You can copy the article into your userspace and work on it there. Your userspace sandbox would be at User:Itslouagain/sandbox. Binksternet (talk) 14:13, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
This is noted. All citations previously removed were restored. Page now grew to 77 references. Thanks. Itslouagain (talk) 14:53, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping so many of the previous citations. Binksternet (talk) 15:02, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Please add "progressive soul" back to the Isley Brothers article

Source 166.181.255.91 (talk) 23:22, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it's in the source you linked, but they say the group "dabbled" in it, which is not a wholehearted assertion of genre.
In any case, the genre "progressive soul" must be discussed in the article body before it can be listed in the infobox. Binksternet (talk) 23:29, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
Then add it to the body. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
Robert Christgau also referred to the Isleys as a progressive soul group in the 1970s. 166.181.255.91 (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Shane McRae edits

Hello I saw you reversed my edits on the Misplaced Pages pages for Shane McRae and Bad Teacher crediting him for a minor role in the unrated version of the film. I assume this is because he’s not credited on IMDB so I didn’t provide a source, but I actually looked at his page again and saw this photo still of him from the film from the scene in the unrated version of the film. Is this enough source to add the film to his page and the credits section of the Bad Teacher page? 2600:6C47:BCF0:9440:1B7:1B7F:B1C6:C415 (talk) 15:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts. If the fact hasn't been published, it is not for Misplaced Pages. We are not here to figure out all the missed stuff and make sure it gets in. Binksternet (talk) 22:36, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

You've Got To Hide Your Love Away

I've undone your removal of the Beach Boys' cover from the "cover versions" section as they did do a cover of this song, on a top 10 charting album, and there are citations provided which confirm this. There was no good reason to remove this info. 2603:8000:AC00:4300:99C2:F5DB:AC50:72B9 (talk) 18:14, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

WP:SONGCOVER is the good reason. The cover version doesn't get a boost from being on a Top 10 album; it has to be judged on its own merit. At the bare minimum, the cover version should be described as extraordinary by the media. Any charting cover version is certainly included. Binksternet (talk) 22:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Maybe if we were talking about a less notable group, but it seems to me that the fact that specifically The Beach Boys - being the most successful American band (of the decade and possibly of all time) and specifically in 1965 at the peak of their popularity and much-ballyhooed rivalry with The Beatles - recorded and released a cover of a Beatles song on an album that went to #6 in the US and #3 in the UK is noteworthy enough to warrant a sentence's mention on the song's page. It feels like a glaring enough omission NOT to include it that while reading this page I went "oh wow why isn't that here? I'll be a diligent Misplaced Pages user and add it." But since that's not enough for you (and apparently you're the ultimate arbiter here?) it was also released as a single in Japan in 1966 and here are two reviews which mention it as a standout track on the album and HERE are two Beatles(not Beach Boys)-centric websites which mention it outside of the context of the album . Can that be it please? 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:14DA:9FFB:7925:E78D (talk) 05:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
I don't pretend to be the arbiter but I am quite active on Misplaced Pages, so my viewpoint gets more visibility.
The thing about the prominence of the Beach Boys is that, if their version of the song "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" wasn't mentioned by the media, then it was judged less important by the media. We would be giving it undue weight if we list it. The fact that the song was released as a single isn't good enough for WP:SONGCOVER. The single must have charted somewhere to be important. Binksternet (talk) 16:38, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
Their version of the song was mentioned by the media, in the examples I provided as well as others. Even if it is "less important" than the original song (an impossible metric for any cover of a Beatles song to top), that doesn't mean it doesn't merit a mention in the article. Nowhere in the song cover guidelines does it say that a cover version must have charted as a single to be considered noteworthy. I'll quote your response to the user above: "Misplaced Pages is supposed to be a summary of published facts." It is a published fact that The Beach Boys, an extremely notable band, released a cover version of this song, which was also released as a single and has been discussed, as I've now provided multiple links attesting to. Per the songcover guidelines, a cover should EITHER be "discussed by a reliable source, showing that it is noteworthy in its own right. Merely appearing in an album track listing, a discography, etc. is not sufficient" OR meet the requirements for a standalone page. I'm not trying to create a standalone page for this or act like it deserves one. But I am providing much more evidence than the examples listed in the guidelines as insufficient ("an album track listing or discography"). This satisfies the first of the two criteria listed, which in and of itself is sufficient to merit its inclusion in the article. It would not be giving it "undue weight" but an entirely appropriate mention. In fact, I can go to many, many other musician's pages and find dozens, if not hundreds, of examples of less notable cover songs than this one being included, without issue. Since it bothers you so much and you've decided it's your prerogative, why haven't you gone and cleaned house on every other music page? You are pretending to be the arbiter here - the fact that you do this a lot doesn't mean that you're not doing it. You are being willfully obtuse and overly proscriptive in your own personal interpretation of these guidelines - to what end I can't imagine, unless it's to satisfy some personal bias. A cursory Google search of your username shows that you have quite a reputation as something of a Misplaced Pages bully, who uses the pretense of neutrality to inject your own personal bias into articles - and looking deeper into your edit history confirms this to be true. Given that, it's clear that there's no way I'm going to get you to do a 180 and admit that you're wrong here, and you'll just keep removing valid edits until people get fed up and leave - so that's what I'm doing, congratulations you win again. But I'll leave you with this: I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt and believe that you didn't actually set out to codify your personal biases and beliefs in a space that's supposed to be a public resource of neutral information, and that you do in fact believe that you're acting in good faith in defense of said neutrality. Based on your edit history and your rightly-earned reputation, I would suggest that you might consider that you've lost sight of your (correct and ultimately noble) goal and have let your personal biases get in the way of doing what you clearly see as your job - to the detriment of Misplaced Pages and its reputation as a source of information. Nobody in the world is perfect, but you seem to have an entirely inflated and unhealthy sense of your own infallibility, which doesn't serve you (or anyone else) well. Just food for thought. 2603:8000:BDF0:B930:BAB7:4F59:D434:549 (talk) 01:06, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Sticking to what you did, your second edit which included two references was still a violation of WP:SONGCOVER. The Slowinski credit in the AV media citation doesn't refer to any prose analysis by Slowinski saying that this cover version was extraordinary in some manner. Instead, Slowinski and Boyd are credited as the researchers who figured out which song contained which musicians from which recording sessions. The songs are not praised or panned in a critical review, just listed in order as part of the album. That's not enough to get through the SONGCOVER requirement. Your second citation is an example of the song being performed live in concert, which again is not enough to increase its importance for Misplaced Pages to notice. Three things can convey importance: chart success, a major award nomination, or critical commentary in books, newspapers, magazines, etc.
Now about my actions: Misplaced Pages's original intent was to summarize a topic's most important points for the reader. It was never meant as a full and complete collection of every fact about a topic. Misplaced Pages's current policy continues with this idea: Misplaced Pages:What Misplaced Pages is not says that the online encyclopedia "does not aim to contain all the information, data or expression known on every subject." There are other websites trying to fill that gap, for instance secondhandsongs is attempting to list every song cover no matter how obscure. Misplaced Pages's refusal to include every fact is the spirit which drives my removal of the lesser known song covers from song articles. Binksternet (talk) 05:10, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Willow Smith

You're calling me out on “awful sourcing” and restored a version that uses a damn YouTube video as a source. Is this a joke? ThisIs00k (talk) 17:45, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I got that one backwards. Sorry. Binksternet (talk) 17:46, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Another User:MariaJaydHicky sock?

Hi there Binksternet, I came across some edits from the above User:ThisIs00k today and noticed that it felt very familiar to this LTA: WP:LTA/MJH. A bit of genre warring / changes going on, and a heavy focus on R&B music articles. I have already published an SPI report over here, but anyways would you agree with my findings that this is another likely sock of MariaJaydHicky? — AP 499D25 (talk) 01:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, someone's sock. It's also too close to the existing username User:This0k and should be blocked as a spoof. Binksternet (talk) 02:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
That is not me. This0k (talk) 06:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Unhelpful edit summaries

I don't think "Nope nope nope" and "Rv image vandalis," are helpful edit summaries when reverting good faith edits, which is what these appear to be. Is there something I'm missing here? — Qwerfjkltalk 18:06, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Loosen up. Those edit summaries were meant to alert longstanding editors that consensus was being violated. I'm not going to change my style for the few times I choose to sound the alarm. Binksternet (talk) 18:11, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
And why would longstanding editors need to be alerted? I'm just saying, a less bitey approach might have been better. — Qwerfjkltalk 18:20, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

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Question about an author and his book

Hey. It's been a minute. I was pressed about this author by the name of Ian Hall and his books on One-Hit Wonders of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s and whether or not he could be used as a source for the List of One-Hit Wonders in the United States wiki page. He is from Scotland and now lives with his wife in Topeka, Kansas. His book includes chart data from different countries, primarily building off of the Billboard Hot 100 in the states. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 22:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

The problem with his books is that they are self-published through CreateSpace. That means WP:USERG is the applicable guideline. The books are not considered a reliable source unless Ian Hall can be argued as a notable expert on music topics. Is he famous for music analysis or criticism? Binksternet (talk) 02:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I can't say he's famous from the looks of it. Even if he knows his stuff really well. I could be inaccurate on that though. Ya Boy Alex! (talk) 02:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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A need for some privacy

Could I contact you via e-mail over a Misplaced Pages editing matter concerning another editor, that I think should not be open for all to see, at least for the time being ? Nothing too sinister or deep, but you know how it goes. Or you can contact me on derekrbullamore@yahoo.co.uk, whichever suits you. Thanks. - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I will ping you offline. Binksternet (talk) 20:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I presume you mean off-Wiki ! - Derek R Bullamore (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
You presume correctly. Binksternet (talk) 20:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Am not surprised to see an old favourite editor, and a new favourite, collaborating. Cheers, both. Press on. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:49, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Hey friend.

You might look back to the Tehanu article, and the hodge-podge "Focus, pacing, style, and interpretation" section. There is a lot of unsourced essay content there, that I simply can't bold-edit away myself (because editing from IP, and knowing what it likely will trigger). And good working alongside you today. Cheers. A former logging editor and Prof. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 05:48, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. I'll take another look. Binksternet (talk) 06:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I restored the shorter plot section that I had copyedited. Per WP:NOVELPLOT, the plot section should not exceed 700 words. Per MOS:PLOT, the plot section is written in the narrative present, which is a change I enacted. If the plot is very briefly summarized elsewhere, for instance in the lead section, then this summary is written from the author's perspective. Binksternet (talk) 06:32, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
I support your redactive edits to move Tehanu away from its overly long Plot, to hit ca. 700 words. I would argue that the Plot now opens with a name of principle character only revealed with certainty later in the novel—at open, only hints appear tht the principle character is Tenar; she is identified as Goha. I think the Plot summary should use Goha, until the point in the narrative that it is revealed that Goha is the preceding novel's Tenar. (But I will not be the one to even partially revert your edit.) And still believe that the "Focus, pacing, style, interpretation" section should get your honing attention (for it contains a lot of unsourced editorial content). Cheers. 73.110.70.75 (talk) 10:37, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

808s & Heartbreak

It's look like MariaJaydHicky is genre warring in 808s & Heartbreak . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 07:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Socking as a lifetime career. Binksternet (talk) 07:09, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Do we have research into what motivates LTAs? In this case someone made an attempt at some point User_talk:MariaJaydHicky2. Polygnotus (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
It would benefit the community greatly to know what is their motivation. We might be able to use that information to redirect their energies.
That particular discussion in your link showed that MJH was pleading innocent at the same time she was block evading with IPs and socks. Pop psychology suggests that this kind of lying comes from narcissism's disconnect with shame or guilt. Anna Frodesiak tried to guide MJH gently toward Wikia, but MJH ignored the hint. I don't know what we could say or do to get a narcissist to go away to spend their time elsewhere. Binksternet (talk) 17:48, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't have much faith in pop psychology. But would surprise me if no one has researched this topic yet. I'll ask around. Polygnotus (talk) 20:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thank you for your infinite patience when efficiently dealing with the Long-time abusers over at WP:AFC/R and at your own talk page. LR.127 (talk) 14:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks! Appreciated. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in WP:GARC

Hello, I noticed you are a user who frequents WP:GAN and thought you might be interested in Good Article Review Circles. It is an initiative that helps articles get reviewed more quickly through collaborative efforts. By joining, you will review another user's article and get your own GA nomination reviewed in return. Check out the project page for more details!

Interesting concept. I'll take advantage some day. Binksternet (talk) 01:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Appreciate it! GMH Melbourne (talk) 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Quick question

So there's this LTA by the name of User:MidAtlanticBaby who has been going around and copy-pasting some story usually attacking other editors or seeking attention from admins and whatnot, over and over and over again, across the help desk, teahouse and various other help forums or noticeboards (example diff). I've noticed that the "Demographics vandal" you've been dealing with lately also does something incredibly similar as well, where they repeatedly spam some big block of text on the help desk and/or teahouse, which all later have to be revdelled just like MAB's posts. I've never seen any of the posts by the demographics vandal for myself before, so I'm not exactly sure as to whether these two names are two different people or not. I'm quite very familiar with MAB but not so much with the demographics vandal. Anyway, can you confirm with me whether these are two different persons? That's all. Thanks! — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

The person I call the Demographics vandal is a complex case, with more than one area of interest. I wouldn't be surprised to find they have other disruptive behavior patterns than the ones listed at Misplaced Pages:Long-term abuse/Demographics vandal.
I've seen some of the MAB disruption but I haven't studied it. I cannot confirm these are two different people. Binksternet (talk) 06:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
I see, got it. — AP 499D25 (talk) 06:50, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Inquiry about an article created at the English language Vikidia

Good morning! My name is Christian, and I'm an administrator on the English language children's encyclopedia called Vikidia. This morning, an article has been created, by someone using your WP username, and it's about you.

Could I ask if you have authorised this, please? If not, the article will be deleted as a violation of BLP. It features material taken word for word, from your userpage here, and is unsourced.

Many thanks for your attention, Dane|Geld 09:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

I did not authorize it. Thank you in advance for deleting it. Binksternet (talk) 14:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) DaneGeld, I see it has not been deleted yet, and the user "Binksternet" should surely be blocked. They have now made a second edit; note the edit summary. Bishonen | tålk 19:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC).
Thanks, I'll remove it now, and indef the creator. Sorry for the delay! Dane|Geld 19:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
To confirm, the user / vandal impersonating you at the English Vikidia has been indefinitely blocked for impersonation, our recent change logs indicate you did not authorise the article, and that too has been deleted and create protected to admin only. The userpage has been wiped, and the contents of the user's edit summaries have been suppressed within our logs.
I'd like to apologise for the delay in dealing with this, but I have been without internet for part of today, and been unable to get on here. If you ever wish to have a presence on the site, please leave a message on my talk page here, and I'll unlock the userpage and its associated talk, as well as unblock the account. With regards, Dane|Geld 20:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt action. I will consider your kind offfer. Binksternet (talk) 20:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Origin of the term "Lost Cause"

You're right that I did too much original research. I'll try to redo it referencing this source that has good info, including a section on the origin of the term and several of the sources I included. https://commons.emich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2444&context=theses That thesis suggests that Pollard might have picked up the term from an article in a rival Memphis paper in 11/16/1865, but I have a source that shows he used the term himself a day earlier than that. Pollard himself wrote in 1872 that he suggested the title to the publisher, but he was using the term himself even before the book was written. I don't have the Ulbrich book, but will try to get a copy. Brooklinehistory (talk) 21:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers, and thanks for having a good attitude. Binksternet (talk) 22:51, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 174.208.225.98 (talk) 01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC).

"Too specific" isn't a real standard. Don't randomly delete content without attempting discussion please.

Hi. This is regarding your deletion of the section on the Sonoma County, California page. There is a section on the talk page for discussion, but you did not participate, either before, during, or after your deletion. Although it appears to be a common practice to delete the edits and additions of newcomers, it is still against Misplaced Pages rules and guidelines. Please follow the rules. If you're going to assert that content should be deleted, discuss it on the talk page. I did that, multiple times in fact. I was very patient. I was very careful. I spent a lot of time, and did a lot of work. "Too specific" is not a real standard, and I do intend to revert your edit. Magnolia did in fact consistently blatantly and deliberately violate Misplaced Pages's rules. The fact that there was an actual torture ring conducted by the Sonoma County government is in fact notable, whether or not people think it should be covered up is irrelevant. The fact that the person who organized the lawsuit against the County for the torture ring in 2015 was shot in the face with a crowd control "stingball" grenade is also notable. Again, please respect Misplaced Pages's rules. I don't know how much simpler I can put it. Don't delete content without participating in discussion. There has been a section on the talk page for more than 18 months. I put it there, to give people a forum to discuss the sections that I eventually added, after diligence, and patience. 18 month old invalid arguments do not weigh on consensus. Bad faith deletions do not weigh on consensus. "Too specific" isn't even applicable, firstly, and secondly it's plainly not a real standard. It's not valid. The content is notable, and is properly sourced. Merely throwing in your hat with Magnolia to cover up extremely heinous acts of brutality because you personally want the article to read like a tourist brochure does not weigh on consensus. You need a valid reason. The fact that you didn't participate in the talk page seems to implicate a lacking thereof. The page is about the County. The content relates to the County and it is not reasonably disputable that it should be in the article, if the article is to be considered objective. The article is not a tourist brochure.Isonomia01 (talk) 11:13, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

History of Chinese Americans

I'm not going to revert your edit, but I will argue that the text added to History of Chinese Americans is inappropriate. Beyond the simple problems of bolding of headers, meta-analysis like " While the page currently focuses on the legislative details, it is essential to explore the broader social and political dynamics that led to its passage." is a discussion of the page and should be on the talk page, not in the article. I also suspect that quite a lot of that text is a copyvio and it has some fairly serious WP:NPOV issues. Can you take a closer look? Thanks, Opolito (talk) 07:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'll look. I guess we had an edit conflict, but I didn't get a notice saying so. I thought the person's contribution was very flawed and so I removed the worst bits. You thought it was very flawed and removed all of it. I might end up agreeing more with your solution. Binksternet (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

WTF DUDE????

Dude Why TF are u reverting my edits. The video clearly is credible as MrBeast shows proof himself and u literally did not look at it HiGuys69420 (talk) 21:33, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I did look at it, and what I saw was some clowning around in the studio. But the single actually has MrBeast credited on Hi Hat, so you got me there. Binksternet (talk) 22:58, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Flag Icons for 1920's Time Magazine Covers

Is the flag icons next to names on the list of time magazine articles not the correct format? I saw you also removed the flags for the other covers as well. Bicufo (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

As I understand MOS:FLAG and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Icons, the flag should only be used if the person is coming to the list as a representative of their country, for instance athletes coming to the Olympics would show the flag of the country they are competing for. If a list of people is not associated with official representation of the country, then flags are not appropriate. Or if multiple politicians got together to discuss world affairs, they might be shown with the flag they represent. The Time magazine cover is not an athletic competition and it's not a convention of international politicians. Binksternet (talk) 15:49, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to need some evidence for this claim

I am not "evading" anything. Now surely for you to accuse me of block evasion, you must have some real strong evidence, chief. Let's have it. 166.181.250.216 (talk) 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Sugar Bear/Archive which lists a ton of IPs in your range, and identical behavior. Binksternet (talk) 22:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Possible sock puppet of MariaJaydHicky

I don't know if this user is related to MariaJaydHicky, but it appears to be the case . TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 09:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I see gaming the system of protection by gaining autoconfirmed status then immediately reverting a protected page, in this case the Nicki Minaj bio four days after first registering, showing in this edit that the user has been here before the hip hop article was moved from Hip hop music to Hip-hop which happened on December 2. The user account was created on December 17, so if they were a completely new user, they would only know the hyphenated hip-hop link, and they wouldn't try and correct it. Binksternet (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your recent edits make no sense.

The other day, I added the punk rock categories to the pages for speed metal and death metal, but you removed them. After reading the pages for those genres, I saw no mention of hardcore punk, so I removed them from the Hardcore punk template, but you added them back. What is the meaning of that? 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C9F4:40DD:A5FB:6428 (talk) 22:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Your genre edits have been based on looking around at other Misplaced Pages articles. I have pointed this problem out repeatedly to you, saying that other Misplaced Pages articles cannot be considered reliable per WP:USERG. Back in 2021 I advised you to read some musicology books instead, but you don't appear to be able or willing to do this. That's why I have a giant bug up my ass about your edits. Binksternet (talk) 04:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Like I said, though, the pages for speed metal and death metal say nothing about hardcore punk, nor does the page for progressive rock say anything about electronic rock. I've seen you revert my edits for similar reasoning. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 16:23, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Here you are again referring to Misplaced Pages pages as reliable sources. ARGHH. Binksternet (talk) 16:25, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
It was a lack of sources I was going on. 2601:C7:C280:14C0:C4D7:C6CC:2AA6:5B27 (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Various questions .. but for starters ..

Why would you revert the italicization of hazzan. And why do it with zero edit summary - do you really believe it to be vandalism? 184.153.21.19 (talk) 08:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

You added a borough right next to the note that says no boroughs. Binksternet (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Why if you disagree with that would you revert all of the other - I think facially proper - edits? And why without an edit summary. I thought we are supposed to use an edit summary, in particular when reverting non-vandalism (and of course where it is confusing as most of the material you reverted you have not mentioned you had a problem with). And (please tell me .. I'm just unaware of it) is there a rule against reflecting someone was born in Brooklyn? As we do in Sandy Koufax and Jay-Z and Michael Jordan and Joan Rivers? Also, less important I imagine, what is the thinking (Brooklyn is as large as many cities and has a character perhaps different than some of the other NYC boroughs), and will you delete Brooklyn from those bios as well? Thank you. --184.153.21.19 (talk) 17:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Template:Infobox_musical_artist#birth_place says to list the city. People have interpreted that to mean nothing below the city level, as some rappers were starting to list which neighborhood or even which apartment project. Local consensus at David Draiman was clearly and explicitly against listing the borough, so you would want to take the issue up with the frequent participants there. Binksternet (talk) 15:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)