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== Get well soon ==


Sorry to see the note on the top of this page. At least you were allowed back last year and got in 278 edits. Hope to see you back sometime in 2023. ] (]) 18:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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:I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. ] (]) ] (]) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Lightbreather. Is there an easy way to put the text of a Misplaced Pages article into the readability calculator? ] <font color="#3CB371">¤</font> <small></font>]]</small> 22:09, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
::Super. If you can improve on that you're a better writer than me. Based on "evidences of seriousness of purpose and promise of success" I recommend you for the honor roll of WikiProject historical biography writers. Prose of this quality has not appeared on Misplaced Pages in many a long day.
:If there is, I haven't found it. I just cut and paste. Sometimes sentences - sometimes whole paragraphs. It would be a great tool for some WP programmer to develop. ] (]) 22:30, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
::I took a look at the lead of ] and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of ] within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – ] (]) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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:::What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching ''The Lion in Winter'' (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go!
::: I had a look at a couple of . I tried using the url for the article "]". The Flesch&ndash;Kincaid grade is 7&ndash;8. That seems to be rather low for the complexity of the article. Perhaps the automated websites are including the inline citation numbers and reference list, creating a spuriously low value? ] <font color="#3CB371">¤</font> <small></font>]]</small> 10:43, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
::::I don't use those kinds of tools. I use ones where you copy in a sentence, a paragraph - or maybe a few paragraphs at most. Also, grade level 7 to 8 is not bad, IMO. It really depends on the subject and the audience. I think most Misplaced Pages articles - except for some of the more technical stuff - should be accessible. ] (]) 01:26, 3 March 2014 (UTC) :::Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. ] (])
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::::I copied the text from the lead of the Lung cancer article into the calculator at "http://www.standards-schmandards.com/exhibits/rix/index.php" and it came up with a grade level of 16. That seems a bit high to me, but I'm sure there are many WP editors who would disagree. ] (]) 01:40, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
:::::I see. I was aware of peer reviews, but not all the others. Thanks for explaining - and for your kind words. ] (])


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:Housekeeping and realized that I never replied to this. I'm not talking about writing for children or English-language learners. I'm just talking about plain, good writing. Per ]: Wordiness does not add credibility to Misplaced Pages articles. ] (]) 21:11, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


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:::The ad caused controversy... and continues to. If it gets deleted, I won't cry, but I think it falls under some kind of fair use. Maybe I'll ask at the Teahouse or one of the boards. Thanks again. ] (]) 18:51, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
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Why are you naming me on this? I have never commented on this and I do not know why I am named. I do not know why I am being included (or targeted) in this, aside from the fact that perhaps there is an ARBCOM on gun control which lightbreather is fully aware of????? I believe this is terribly unfair and unjust to me on the part of Lightbreather, to attempt to bait me into this argument when I have very clearly never commented on these terms here on this article. The last time I edited this article, to the very best of my memory, was to edit the timelines of the first responders where I added a table with the times from the editors and to include the names of the defenders who died valiantly trying to defend the school. Lightbreather, could you very please (and I'm being very polite here under extreme duress from you) articulate where specifically where I "Justanonymous" have attempted to "stop" or "restrict" you (specifically) from using the terms "assault weapon" or "high capacity magazine" in the LEDE against "you" (specifically), in this (specific) article? Please be very specific with difs please.............. Otherwise, I will expect a "full" apology from you here AND on my talk page -- Otherwise, I will be forced to report you for personal harassment to appropriate oversight groups if you are engaging in these activities against others. Please be specific.....this is extremely serious in my mind. -] (]) 02:01, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
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Well, if the bill makes it ok to legally own a grandfathered firearm, but bans the future transfer or sale of that type of firearm; what do you think happens? Look at the laws in California that this is modelled after. In California if the owner of a registered Colt AR-15 dies, then the gun has to be transferred out of state, surrendered to the DOJ or rendered inoperable. Here's a quick hit for a direct source to feinswine's bill: --] - ] 17:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:Thanks, Mike. Listen, I don't want to argue with you. I just want a good source for what you wrote in the article. What you've given above is from tha NRA - and pre-dates the bill's introduction in the Senate by four weeks. ] (]) 18:39, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::That's how long she was sitting on that bill, though.--] - ] 18:41, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::That NRA page also says what they're responding to is a draft. What you've written is contentious. If it's true some reliable source must've commented on it after the bill was officially introduced. All I'm asking for is a ]. ] (]) 18:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:::There's plenty, I'll put one up. The thing most people do not realize about proposed bills like this is that they are writen months and even years in advance. They do not get introduced until the politicians see a chance to dance in the blood of dead children, however.--] - ] 20:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::::For the record, I didn't really want to see your piece deleted. I really do think it should be part of a broader piece, mostly because I find your choice of title misleading. There was no ban. And to paraphrase a former VP nominee, Sec of treasury and chronic bedwetter: "I've read the ERA and the 2013 AWB legislation was no ERA".--] - ] 23:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::OK, but I didn't get that last part. Did someone actually say that? ] (]) 23:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::In the 1988 presidential elections (probably before you were born) Dan Qualye compared himself to JFK with regard to his age, senate experience etc in his debate with lloyd bentsin. Bentsin said "Senator, I knew Jack Kennedy and you're no Jack Kennedey". I was paraphrasing. --] - ] 00:05, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::Oh, no, I would've got that. I started voting in the 1970s. I just thought someone made a play-on-words with that re: the AWB 2013 debate. Sorry. ] (]) 00:25, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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The article is not recently created, though its history, taken out of context, might make it seem that way. The AWB 2013 article was used to create a separate article on the expanded topic of "Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting" - although that might have as easily been done separately, or the material you want to focus/expand upon might have been added to one or more of these already-existing articles:
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:You picked the scope. You put all the stuff from Obama in it. You put all the state stuff in it. You put the polls in it. You put the NRA in it. you cant say it was hijacked, when it was all YOUR CONTENT. just rearranged. If I had come in and added all of those bits when you had it narrowly on the AWB, then you would have a case, but the diffs are exceptionally easy to read here. All of the "expanded article" content was in the article, written by you, prior to my first edit. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Gun_control_after_the_Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting&oldid=604313540 ] (]) 01:45, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
::Every bit that I put in there I chose ''carefully'' because it was directly related to AWB 2013, though '''''some''''' of it ''may'' have been related to other things, too, like the Sandy Hook shooting, or other gun control proposals. Also, I DID NOT INCLUDE THE OBAMA EXECUTIVE ACTIONS EXCEPT TO SAY THAT HE'D SIGNED SOME. YOU ADDED THE DETAILS OF THOSE. I added the details of his Proposals to Congress - which included an assault weapons and high-capacity magazine ban.


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::I'm gonna spend the evening with my family now. ] (]) 01:53, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Enjoy the evening (Seriously, and honestly). We can all get too heated on this stuff, and I am sorry it went south - I thought our collaboration was going fine earlier. One minor quibble. I did not add anything about Obama. the only thing I did was break it out into a section. All of the bullet points were already there and added by you. You added the legislative proposals in this diff ] and you added the other points in this edit ] Of those bullet points, only #2 and #3 seem on topic for the "narrow" article. ] (]) 02:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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It is not 3RR when removing poor sources and marketing links that you inserted, nor when removing inflammatory opinions and statements which had nothing to do with the citation. You are not an uneducated bumpkin, so stop embarrassing yourself. You know what you did.--] - ] 23:52, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
:I see nothing in wp:3RR about what you're claiming, and at any rate, I dispute that they were poor sources for what they were being cited for: that "high-capacity magazine" is commonly used term - which is something that you tagged as needing citations. High-capacity magazine ''is'' a commonly used term, in a preponderance of sources. ] (]) 00:07, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hey LB, did you write some or all of ]? It's a brilliant piece of writing and the part about the Holocaust allegations is one of the best I've ever seen. What do Gaijin or Collect think of it? I wonder if Andy would object to its inclusion in the Gun Control article? --] (]) 17:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:That first note? Nope, not me. Probably Anythingyouwant, or maybe Gaijin. I disagree with that kind of and amount of Nazi material in the body of the article and in the notes and in quotes. It gives it far too much weight, IMO. ] (]) 17:59, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::I just thought that it seemed to provide balance. It clearly states that its considered by many to be an insignificant factor, but others latch onto it like its the key element. --] (]) 18:42, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Interesting that nobody mentions how Senator Thomas J. Dodd requested an English translation of the Nazi Gun Control Laws through the Library of Congress before penning GCA68.--] - ] 19:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::::Interesting that you posted your comment here, Mike. Is that what you meant to do? Since you have, I've seen that brought up before. I guess the implication is that some members of Congress wanted to use Nazi gun laws as a model for gun control? Maybe they wanted to see what Dingell had referred to? (My curiosity would have been up under the circumstances.) Maybe they wanted an example of how not to write gun laws? Who knows? And I don't care. ] (]) 19:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:::::Of course you don't care, but sadly if you compare the 2 laws it is pretty much an exact match. See, that is my fundamental problem with the anti-freedom crowd. Most are nice, well-meaning people who just want a safe world for themselves and their families; unfortunately they falsely believe that government control is the answer. The minority have an evil agenda where they want to disarm anyone who disagrees with them on their road to despotism and tyranny.--] - ] 19:52, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::OK. I hear you. And I disagree. No hard feelings... I just disagree. ] (]) 19:58, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::::::::Disagree with what? That GCA68 was based on Nazi gun control? That most gun control advocates are not people who want safety or do you think they all have a fascist agenda to march a disarmed citizenry into mass graves? I didn't think you were that hard core.--] - ] 20:01, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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I honestly didn't think we were fighting. To be honest I don't even like touching the political pieces. I prefer the factual articles like the history and technological aspects. I'll put it this way, if I thought that they were being written from an objective point of view, I wouldn't need to go there at all.--] - ] 20:12, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:Dude - and ''this is meant in good humor'' - do you not hang around with women? Your style is absolutely confrontational, to me, and causes me a lot of stress. ] (]) 20:44, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
::That's just me, I'be been a fighter my whole life from the street to the ring to the USMC and beyond...sometimes what I think is normal is seen as aggressive, but don't stress...it's just the interwebz. I don't mean it to cause stress or anything. :)--] - ] 20:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
:::OK. I'll try to remember. And if you could try to remember to back off just a little that would help, too. ] (]) 21:14, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

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:''He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.''
:''He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance,'
:''He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, ''
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And so on. "Taxation without Representation" may have been a slogan, but it was not the primary basis of the Revolution per the Declaration. It appears as ''For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:'' more than half way down the long list. Most interesting is ''He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.''

I trust this will improve your understanding of what the reasons were for using the term "Despot" in that declaration. ] (]) 00:55, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

:I rely on sources, like everyone else, not OR. I gave mine on the pages I edited - which are not exhaustive studies of the revolutuion, but summarize key points. You might want to check out ], too. Looks like the editors there agree that taxes were a huge part of the revolution's origin. ] (]) 01:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Note that ''any admin'' who sees this might well note that you are in serious breach of the principles behind ] so I really do urge you to self-revert. Cheers. ] (]) 23:14, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

:I've reviewed them all carefully, several times. First, they cover more than a 24-hour period. Ignoring that, all were part of what I considered a BRD process. Numbers 4 and 6 were unambiguously good-faith edits. (In fact, number 6 - the oldest one - kicked off the BRD process.) The others will be harder to explain, but I can, and if you feel compelled to report me, I will explain them and accept the consequences if necessary. ] (]) 00:08, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

In general, 3rr is a "bright line" rule. If everyone is in agreement about an edit process then it can slide, but if someone chooses to complain, there is generally not a defense. It's "strict liability" so to speak. The only exceptions are consecutive edits, obvious vandalism, and blp violations. I have not read the diffs, and due to the pending topic ban will not comment on merits, so consider this just a policy explanation. ] (]) 00:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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Get well soon

Sorry to see the note on the top of this page. At least you were allowed back last year and got in 278 edits. Hope to see you back sometime in 2023. wbm1058 (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Super. If you can improve on that you're a better writer than me. Based on "evidences of seriousness of purpose and promise of success" I recommend you for the honor roll of WikiProject historical biography writers. Prose of this quality has not appeared on Misplaced Pages in many a long day.
I took a look at the lead of Eleanor of Aquitaine and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of consanguinity within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching The Lion in Winter (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go!
Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. Lightbreather (talk)
There are multiple review processes. One is Misplaced Pages:Peer review. Another is Recent changes (see Misplaced Pages:Recent changes patrol). Another is Misplaced Pages:Pending changes (see Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes – you too may apply to join the 7,813 reviewers). Another is Misplaced Pages:New pages patrol (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my patrol log that I marked revision 1136740705 of page Amy Kelly patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently 726 members, plus administrators). And then there's Misplaced Pages:Page Curation, which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! Misplaced Pages:Reviewing. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I see. I was aware of peer reviews, but not all the others. Thanks for explaining - and for your kind words. Lightbreather (talk)

Pending Proposal for Kessler Foundation

Hi. I see you’re a member of the WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force. I’ve made a number of proposals to update the article about Kessler Foundation, a charity that supports people with disabilities. Several have been reviewed but a few remain. The request is posted here Talk:Kessler_Foundation#Kessler Foundation Edit Requests – October 2022. I have a conflict of interest, and do the edits myself. Would you possibly have time to look at these? I appreciate your time. Dogmomma529 (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't remember joining a medicine task force. Good luck with your proposals. Lightbreather (talk)

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