User talk:Lightbreather: Difference between revisions

Browse history interactively ← Previous editContent deleted Content addedVisual WikitextInline

Revision as of 15:22, 15 May 2014 view source208.54.35.173 (talk) →Arbitration clarification request(Gun control :Gaijin42): {{subst:ANI-notice}}← Previous edit		Latest revision as of 00:13, 19 November 2024 view source MediaWiki message delivery (talk \| contribs)Bots3,133,055 edits →ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message: new sectionTag: MassMessage delivery
(999 intermediate revisions by more than 100 users not shown)
Line 1:		Line 1:
			{{Archives\|search=yes\|collapsed=yes}}
	{{editnotice
			{{nobots}}
			== Get well soon ==

			Sorry to see the note on the top of this page. At least you were allowed back last year and got in 278 edits. Hope to see you back sometime in 2023. ] (]) 18:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
	\| text = <big>I'm an experienced editor outside Misplaced Pages, but ''an intermediate-level editor in WP.'' If I do something questionable, tell me - but nicely please. And point me to a WP policy or guideline, if you have it. - ''Lightbreather''</big>

			:I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. ] (]) ] (]) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
	}}
			::Super. If you can improve on that you're a better writer than me. Based on "evidences of seriousness of purpose and promise of success" I recommend you for the honor roll of WikiProject historical biography writers. Prose of this quality has not appeared on Misplaced Pages in many a long day.
			::I took a look at the lead of ] and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of ] within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – ] (]) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
			:::What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching ''The Lion in Winter'' (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read ''Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings''. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go!
			:::Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. ] (])
			::::There are multiple review processes. One is ]. Another is ] (see ]). Another is ] (see ] – you too may apply to join the ]). Another is ] (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my that I marked revision 1136740705 of page ] patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently , plus administrators). And then there's ], which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! ''']'''. – ] (]) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
			:::::I see. I was aware of peer reviews, but not all the others. Thanks for explaining - and for your kind words. ] (])

			== Pending Proposal for Kessler Foundation ==
	{{Archives}}

			Hi. I see you’re a member of the WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force. I’ve made a number of proposals to update the article about ], a charity that supports people with disabilities. Several have been reviewed but a few remain. The request is posted here ]. I have a conflict of interest, and do the edits myself. Would you possibly have time to look at these? I appreciate your time. ] (]) 20:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
	== Keep up the good work ==
			:Sorry, I don't remember joining a medicine task force. Good luck with your proposals. ] (])

			== ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message ==
	You've been busy at ]. I look forward to reading it when the dust settles. ] (]) 21:43, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

			<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #AAA; background-color: ivory; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
	== RfC closes ==
			<div class="ivmbox-image" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em; flex: 1 0 40px; max-width: 100px">]</div>
			<div class="ivmbox-text">
			Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y\|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data\|2023\|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

			The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
	Are not done by anyone actually directly involved in the RfC. Cheers. ] (]) 19:33, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

			If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx\|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)</small>
	== ] warning ==

			</div>
	Please read that policy, and note that 3RR is not a licence to commit 3RR. I suggest you self-revert and continue actual talk page discussions to obtain consensus and compromise. Cheers. ] (]) 20:25, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
			</div>
	:And do you plan on warning {{u\|Scalhotrod}}, too? We were working together, and he felt no reason to warn me... just as I was dealing with him collegially. I am asking you kindly to back off, and if you have a problem with an edit, deal with that edit, and don't just revert everything. I carefully read and responded to Scal's nine edits individually. The way you treated mine was uncalled for. ] (]) 20:34, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
			<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2023/Coordination/MM/02&oldid=1187132049 -->

			== Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C ==
	== Revert please ==

			<section begin="announcement-content" />
	Sure. What precisely would you like me to re-add? If you cut and paste to my talk I'll put in whatever you suggest. ] (]) 23:45, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
			:''] ''

			Dear Wikimedian,
	== ANI ==

			You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.
	{{ani\|Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Scalhotrod_reported_by_User:Thenub314_.28Result:_.29}}

			This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the ] to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.
	== Discretionary sanctions notification ==

			The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please ].
	{{Ivm\|2='''Please carefully read this information:'''

			Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.
	The Arbitration Committee has authorised ] to be used for pages regarding governmental regulation of firearm ownership; the social, historical and political context of such regulation; and the people and organizations associated with these issues, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is ].

			On behalf of the UCoC project team,<section end="announcement-content" />
	Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means ] administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the ], our ], or relevant ]. Administrators may impose sanctions such as ], ], or ]. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.

			] 23:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
	This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.
			<!-- Message sent by User:RamzyM (WMF)@metawiki using the list at https://meta.wikimedia.org/search/?title=Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Coordinating_Committee/Election/2024/Previous_voters_list_2&oldid=26721207 -->
	}} <b>]</b> (] • ] • ]) 07:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC){{Z33}}<!-- Derived from Template:Ds/alert -->

			== ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message ==
	:{{u\|Callanecc}}, does this mean that Scalhotrod is going to get away with removing the same, single "See also" article link three times, and then moving/renaming the article so as to avoid removing the link a fourth time? Isn't that gaming? ] (]) 16:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

			<div class="ivmbox " style="margin-bottom: 1em; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; background-color: #fdf2d5; padding: 0.5em; display: flex; align-items: center; ">
	== Your comment re: Gaijin's ban ==
			<div class="ivmbox-image noresize" style="padding-left:1px; padding-right:0.5em;">]</div>
			<div class="ivmbox-text">
			Hello! Voting in the ''']''' is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on {{#time:l, j F Y\|{{Arbitration Committee candidate/data\|2024\|end}}-1 day}}. All ''']''' are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

			The ] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the ]. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose ], ], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The ] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.
	Do you realize that with your comment, "Also, I third Salvio's and Andy's suggestions to reconsider Gaijin's ban. Lightbreather (talk) 21:04, 8 May 2014 (UTC)", that you just recommended that Gaijin be banned indefinitely from Misplaced Pages? It's not an unusual request for Andy to make. In fact I've seen him make it enough times I have to wonder how many Admins take it seriously any longer. I've also seen Andy state that if a certain change is not made or content removed that he will "report" the "offending party" and start a formal process. This is the kind of thing that can turn even your most ardent supporters against you. Differences of opinion aside, working to get someone banned is in my opinion the most egregious kind of censorship there is. --] (]) 21:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

			If you wish to participate in the 2024 election, please review ] and submit your choices on the ''']'''. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{tlx\|NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. <small>] (]) 00:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)</small>
	:I actually voted to lessen the sanctions proposed against Gaijin at ArbCom. After what he did in recent days, plus the comments of several arbitrators and yes, curmudgeonly Andy, I've changed my mind. ] (]) 22:35, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

			</div>
	== Outdent ==
			</div>

			<!-- Message sent by User:Cyberpower678@enwiki using the list at https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Coordination/MM/02&oldid=1258243447 -->
	<div notice" style="background:transparent; margin:0.5em auto; width:100%;">
	] When using {{tlx\|outdent}} or {{tlx\|od}}, like you did at ], please make sure to include a parameter with the number of colons that the previous post had. For example, if the previous post had four colons ({{code\|::::}}), use {{tlx\|outdent\|::::}} or {{tlx\|outdent\|4}}. This makes sure that the line properly connects to the previous post. ] (] / ] / ]) 22:14, 11 May 2014 (UTC)


	</div> <!--User:Anon126/Uw/outdent-->

	Xlnt! Thanks for the correction. ] (]) 22:22, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Olive branch ==
	<div style="float:center; background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92; text-align:left; padding:8px;" class="plainlinks">]    <span style="font-size: x-large;">'''I'll extend the olive branch.'''</span><br />
	] (]) 03:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:Olive branch-->

	Hey LB, Happy Mother's Day (if that's appropriate to say), I know that you are female, but not much else. You've mentioned that you are an NRA member and that you've been the president of a non-profit.

	I'm posting this template for two reasons. First, I'm extending it on my behalf in order to say that I know you are a capable editor and a good writer and I am fairly confident that we can work together if we try to forge an understanding of each other. In fact, things used to be better between us, but I'm not sure where it went off the track. Second, assuming you did not know of its existence, I'm hoping that you will use it as well to reach out to others. It's not a recommendation or even an inference, its just meant to be a peaceful gesture. I'm sharing some "peace" with you... :)

	I know what its like to be a passionate editor, I'm guilty of the same. Furthermore, I hope you can agree that its for the good of all (on Misplaced Pages) that passionate people with convictions about any number of topics learn to work together.

	Sound good? --] (]) 03:07, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Sharing some experience... ==

	So since we've been working on so many gun related articles, I thought I'd mention something that I've learned the hard way on more than one occasion. This might come across as ridiculously pun-ish, but Misplaced Pages articles are like bullets fired from a gun. Regardless of how well you "aim", once they are created you have no control over the direction they go in or what impact they have on others. I'm '''not''' saying this not to placate you, but to hopefully save you from some future stress over it. My attitude towards article creation is that I can't wait for someone else to edit the article as I interpret it as an endorsement of the content I've assembled. This goes for new sections I've created as well.

	Does this backfire (or boomerang in Wikispeak) on occasion, sure. But IMO that's what makes the site so great. Other people can take your ideas, modify them, expand on them, and create things that you never imagined. The only truly frustrating part of this is that it takes time which is complicated by the fact that almost no one communicates at the same speed. Patience is by far ''the'' most undervalued concept on this site. By the way, something I personally take pride in (in regard to article creation) is the fact that pretty much any article created becomes the highest ranked Google search result for that search term or keyword. If I start typing "assault" into Google, by the time I hit the space bar the top result in my window is the "Federal Assault Weapons Ban" article... :) This is the point where you get the smile to yourself and enjoy the fact that regardless of all the petty BS, bickering, and such that goes on behind the scenes on Misplaced Pages, what we're doing has an affect on the ''REAL WORLD''. --] (]) 15:41, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

	:While I appreciate the friendly gesture, I think it's an example of why we bump heads. When I type "assault weapons ban" in Google and the ''only'' Misplaced Pages article that pops up - and on top, at that - is the Federal Assault Weapons Ban ''that expired 10 years ago'', that does ''not'' make me smile. The searcher gets the impression, via Google/Wikipedia, that the only ban that ever existed was that defunct one. If it were still in force, that search result might make sense.

	:Not to cast any shadow on you personally, but after editing here less than a year, I sense that it is no accident that after all these years that old assault weapons ban article is the one that Google and Misplaced Pages searchers finds easily.

	:Again, though, let's please keep it on content and not get into general discussions. I think that would be for the best. You might be a nice guy that I would have a beer with in real like, but on Misplaced Pages - I just think this would be best. ] (]) 16:31, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

	OK, I can understand that viewpoint, so let me offer something else. As part of the various volunteer work that I've done, some of it has been on campaigns including a state governor and a congressman. I'm talking about actually working in their campaign offices alongside paid staff people. So I've had access to and have developed an appreciable understanding of how our "actual" political process functions. Granted, Congressional staffers do not look to Misplaced Pages for hard facts, but their constituents do. An article like the Federal ban along with the Assault Weapons Legislation one go a long way to providing information to the people that influence our politicians. This is why our edits are so important and its critical that we get them right.

	Even though its expired, having an ever present reminder like the Federal Assault Weapons Ban article isn't as dire as you might think. The fact that it passed once means it can pass again, but it won't be in the same form. Like you've championed so well, it needs updating. But the fact remains that it happened ''and'' existed for a decade, what would be worse is to forget about it altogether. I still think you can proud of what you've accomplished. --] (]) 17:42, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Your Revert in High-Capacity Magazines ==

	I'm sorry, but while what you put is essentially a direct quote, without the context provided by the reference, using the phrase "generally considered" makes it appear that this is common or expert consensus, instead of a definition applicable to some legislation, which you can see that the reference is clearly applying to by looking at the following:

	1) The name of the paper you cited is "Laws on High Capacity Magazines"
	2) The only sources it provides are past legislation, two of which define it as something other than ten rounds.
	3) If it was talking about general consensus or expert consensus instead of consensus in legislators who are trying to limit magazine capacity, it provided no sources or research to substantiate that claim.

	So there are two options:

	A) The source is talking about the legislation it cites.

	B) It is talking about general consensus. If it is, then it does not provide any sources or research in order to validate that it is general consensus, and is as such not a reliable source for this particular fact.

	As such, I am reverting it back to the wording which makes more clear what the research is most likely referring to, namely the legislation it cites as sources.

	Also, I am quite confused how you including the NRA when supporting your revert is applicable? My revert isn't about presenting both sides, it's about what the reference is actually talking about. Thank you for your time. ] (]) 21:01, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Wow...! ==

	This ] called me ''anti-gun''...!?!?! I don't know if I should feel complimented or insulted... :) --] (]) 22:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

	== Arbitration clarification request(Gun control :Gaijin42) ==

	An arbitration amendment request(Gun control :Gaijin42), which either involved you, or in which you commented, has been archived, because the request was declined.

	The original discussion can be found . For the arbitration committee --]] 23:36, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

	==Notice==
	] There is currently a discussion at ] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. ] (]) 15:22, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 00:13, 19 November 2024

Archives

Archive 1	Archive 2	Archive 3
Archive 4	Archive 5	Archive 6
Archive 7	Archive 8	Archive 9
Archive 10	Archive 11	Archive 12
Archive 13	Archive 14	Archive 15
Archive 16	Archive 17	Archive 18
Archive 19	Archive 20	Archive 21
Archive 22	Archive 23	Archive 24

Get well soon

Sorry to see the note on the top of this page. At least you were allowed back last year and got in 278 edits. Hope to see you back sometime in 2023. wbm1058 (talk) 18:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)

I am back. Worked on (still working on, actually) a few things with my doctors and I'm feeling quite a lot better. Knock wood, it sticks. I created a new article today. Would you like to look it over? It's about Amy Kelly, author of Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. It needs a little more work, but I think it's a good start. I'll probably take a break for a bit... Don't want to overdo it. Lightbreather (talk) Lightbreather (talk) 22:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Super. If you can improve on that you're a better writer than me. Based on "evidences of seriousness of purpose and promise of success" I recommend you for the honor roll of WikiProject historical biography writers. Prose of this quality has not appeared on Misplaced Pages in many a long day.

I took a look at the lead of Eleanor of Aquitaine and it cracked me up a bit. After fifteen years of marriage and two daughters her husband agreed to an annulment (heaven forbid royalty ever divorce) on the grounds of consanguinity within the fourth degree (but why was the marriage allowed in the first place, and it took 15 years to figure that out?) So then she just remarries other royalty committing the same crime in the third degree! I can see how that's fodder for a best-selling book (and maybe a TV miniseries too). Sure, take it easy, no need to work harder than you feel up to. – wbm1058 (talk) 02:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

What kicked this off was hubby and I were watching The Lion in Winter (one of our favorite "Christmas" movies). Then we got to talking about Eleanor. He likes to read historical nonfiction, so I said, You should read Eleanor of Aquitaine and the Four Kings. And I bought him a used copy. So he's sitting there looking at it, and then his phone, and he said, There's no Misplaced Pages article on Amy Kelly. And I said, What? And there you go!

Thanks for the positive feedback. I truly appreciate it. BTW, what is the "Review" process? It doesn't leave anything in the reviewer's history. I've always wondered about that. Lightbreather (talk)

There are multiple review processes. One is Misplaced Pages:Peer review. Another is Recent changes (see Misplaced Pages:Recent changes patrol). Another is Misplaced Pages:Pending changes (see Misplaced Pages:Reviewing pending changes – you too may apply to join the 7,813 reviewers). Another is Misplaced Pages:New pages patrol (behold that detailed flowchart!). You can see in my patrol log that I marked revision 1136740705 of page Amy Kelly patrolled – that's just a matter of checking a box. I confess I didn't use that flowchart as part of my review process. Your writing is so many levels above the average I see that I didn't think it was necessary. The new page reviewers are a more elite group (currently 726 members, plus administrators). And then there's Misplaced Pages:Page Curation, which uses a "Curation Toolbar". I have trouble keeping track of it all. That's why there's a disambiguation page! Misplaced Pages:Reviewing. – wbm1058 (talk) 21:45, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I see. I was aware of peer reviews, but not all the others. Thanks for explaining - and for your kind words. Lightbreather (talk)

Pending Proposal for Kessler Foundation

Hi. I see you’re a member of the WikiProject Medicine/Society and medicine task force. I’ve made a number of proposals to update the article about Kessler Foundation, a charity that supports people with disabilities. Several have been reviewed but a few remain. The request is posted here Talk:Kessler_Foundation#Kessler Foundation Edit Requests – October 2022. I have a conflict of interest, and do the edits myself. Would you possibly have time to look at these? I appreciate your time. Dogmomma529 (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't remember joining a medicine task force. Good luck with your proposals. Lightbreather (talk)

ArbCom 2023 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 11 December 2023. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Misplaced Pages arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail.

If you wish to participate in the 2023 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to other languages.

Dear Wikimedian,

You are receiving this message because you previously participated in the UCoC process.

This is a reminder that the voting period for the Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) ends on May 9, 2024. Read the information on the voting page on Meta-wiki to learn more about voting and voter eligibility.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. Community members were invited to submit their applications for the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, please review the U4C Charter.

Please share this message with members of your community so they can participate as well.

On behalf of the UCoC project team,

RamzyM (WMF) 23:09, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

ArbCom 2024 Elections voter message

Hello! Voting in the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23:59 (UTC) on Monday, 2 December 2024. All eligible users are allowed to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.

If you wish to participate in the 2024 election, please review the candidates and submit your choices on the voting page. If you no longer wish to receive these messages, you may add {{NoACEMM}} to your user talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)