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== Vandals == | |||
I have removed a couple of bits from this article. I have removed the unsourced sentence about the Christmas hymn reference from the finale room section (especially since if this was true, it would probably have only been present during the holiday season). I have also removed the whole "Lyrics" section as it is completely ] and looks horribly laid out on this page. ] 12:23, September 22, 2010 (UTC) | |||
== The Clock Tower in Epic Mickey == | |||
During an interview with Roland Crump, designer of the ride, I asked him about the name "Glockenspiel" for the name of the clock and/or clock face. He confirmed that this was not the name for the clock, nor the face. The clock is known simply as the "clock tower." Any reference to "Glockenspiel" would refer to the clock in some other context, but it should not be applied to the clock tower or clock face in Disneyland, Anaheim. --] (]) 17:25, 31 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
Should we put down that the Clock Tower is the first boss of the Wii video game "Epic Mickey"? After all, it DID scare many kids (dear god, that grin and those eyes)...] (]) 01:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
:Sounds suspiciously like trivia in the context of this article. ] (]) 14:29, 19 November 2010 (UTC) | |||
::My opinion is - Glockenspiel in ''Epic Mickey'' is a great start to begin collecting cultural references, of which there are legion, ranging from the subtle "get small" innuendos of ] to the overt. Cultural references is just as relevant to the context of this article as they are to ].] (]) 20:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
== resemblance to white horse inn ouverture == | |||
on | |||
http://www.emusic.com/album/Various-Le-meilleur-de-l-operette-MP3-Download/11363921.html | |||
disc 2, 18 | |||
after a few seconds one can hear the melody in question. | |||
However a first quick check with a musician from berlin who is performing TODAY! the operetta led me to think that it concerns probably a local adaptation by the symphonic orchestra from Paris. | |||
I am waiting for confirmation. any other help/advice welcome ] (]) 14:37, 2 January 2011 (UTC) | |||
== The song section == | |||
This section duplicates the history section and should be merged into it or deleted. Unless we have more information about the song (music, etc.) we probably don't need a separate section. ] (]) 04:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC) | |||
:merged ] (]) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Capitalization == | |||
I propose to keep the article (and all links to it) as It's a Small World. The guidelines at ] and ] state the following: | |||
{{Rquote|left|Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the '''trademark''' owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"}} | |||
{{Rquote|left|For '''trademark'''s that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as adidas), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules for proper nouns.}} | |||
{{Rquote|left|'''Trademark'''s rendered without any capitals are always capitalized}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
I have therefore come to the conclusion that it should remain capitalized. Please comment below as to which way you think it should be and provide reasoning as to why it should be that way. Thanks <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 00:24, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Wiz responds: | |||
:Let us not confuse the article title with text within the article. | |||
:Let us not confuse article title lowercase with leading quotes. | |||
:Let us recall that we must "avoid unnecessary title capitalization; most capitalization is for proper names" | |||
:This has never, ever been a trademark issue. | |||
:And ] reminds us at the very top that "This '''guideline''' is a part of the English Misplaced Pages's Manual of Style. Use common sense in applying it; it will have occasional exceptions. Please ensure that any edits to this page reflect consensus." | |||
:I contend that '''''"it's a small world"''''' is her proper name pronoun, and not a trademark. It qualifies as the occasional exception, and the misrepresentation of a capitol S and W are errors introduced in 1998 on this wiki which have gone uncorrected too long. | |||
::] See also: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (trademarks) and Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (mathematics) | |||
::For '''trademarks''' that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as adidas), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules for proper nouns. '''Trademarks''' beginning with a one-letter lowercase prefix pronounced as a separate letter do not need to be capitalized if the second letter is capitalized (e.g., iPod or eBay);</redline> '''Misplaced Pages does not capitalize the first letter, when, as in these cases, not doing so has become normal English usage'''. (Beginning article titles lower case requires the {{tl|lowercase}} template or equivalent code.) '''The mixed or non-capitalized formatting should be mentioned in the article lead, or illustrated with a graphical logo'''. . | |||
::Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Misplaced Pages articles may use lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, k.d. lang). | |||
::In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to programming languages or mathematical notation (for example, n is not equivalent to N), the '''title should reflect this'''. It is best to avoid putting symbols like n at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization. | |||
:Respect her name.] (]) 03:57, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
::I'm sorry, but ] is pretty clear. Sorry if that busts your bubble. Its officially lower case, but wikipedia MOS guidelines say to Capitalize it for the purpose of this encyclopedia. Thst include structure as well as the title.--] (]) 11:56, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::It is a trademark. Disney have registered both and with the ]. If it was a proper noun, then according to ] it should be capitalized anyway. Unless you can provide strong evidence in the way of Misplaced Pages policies, the article should be left as it was a few days ago. <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::You already wiped out all the references I included. I suppose now you'll revert it again as you threaten, destroying Glockenspiel, '64 World's Fair, New York and all the other improvements to prove your point. (All of the historians and librarians here in the office agree you have lost your common sense pursuing the matter.) ] (]) 09:01, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::I won't revert you edits as such. I will leave all of your contributions in place. If this discussion is closed with the consensus of It's a Small World, I will only change the references to the name not any of the other information you contributed. <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 09:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
* Sorry if I am missing some background info on this discussion. WP uses proper noun English capitalization independent of the actual stylization. Thus Misplaced Pages usage of the proper noun is "It's a Small World". MoS pages are void of mis-interpretation. Usages in the text of article should also be consistent. In this case, ''I'' believe it should also be capitalized. — <small> ] ▎]</small> 20:38, 8 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
== '''"it's a small world"''' the correct title, is a '''proper name''' not a trademark == | |||
] page, | |||
issues irrelevant to small world snipped, | |||
and my responses inserted in ] | |||
<span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> Claims: | |||
Even though Disney don't capitalize it, | |||
[but many in the company, English and journalism majors for the most part, | |||
even Dave Smith himself, have slipped up as I have, and used title case | |||
when referring to this attraction.] (]) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC)] | |||
the manual of style here at Misplaced Pages requires us to do so. See ] and ]. Thanks <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 23:07, 1 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Did you read the Misplaced Pages guidelines I have linked? Or have you just ignored me? | |||
] (]) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)] | |||
{{Rquote|left|Follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the '''trademark''' owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"}} | |||
{{Rquote|right|For '''trademarks''' that are given in mixed or non-capitalization by their owners (such as adidas), follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules for proper nouns.}} | |||
{{Cquote|'''Trademarks''' rendered without any capitals are always capitalized}} | |||
{{clear}} | |||
:<span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 23:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:You may wish to comment on the discussion of capitization at the article's ]. <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 00:31, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)^] | |||
::Themeparkgc: Apples and pears - You cite '''trademarks''' ] style which recommends not requires. But '''"it's a small world"''' is a proper name - so you can throw MOS:TM out of the discussion altogether. The text of the article should reflect the proper name. You cite no reasons why the body of text can not do so, nor do you cite why unnecessary capitalization should persist. | |||
::The article was once titled correctly, when redirects were added in 1998 the error crept in which incorrectly altered the title to It's a Small World - title case, no quotes. The title of the attraction is ''"it's a small world"'' - entirely lower case, enclosed in quotes. I contend that the title of the attraction is indeed it's proper name. The article title should once again reflect that. | |||
::Regarding ]; The article title should never have included the excessive capitalization of either Small or World. An all lowercase title is acceptable when <nowiki>{{lowercase}}</nowiki> template is included. You chased my edits preventing saving anything while I was cleaning up template inclusion and redirects. Perhaps you were too quick on the draw and should have started the discussion before your first reversion. The only style '''''guideline''''' truly in contention here is the leading and trailing quotation marks in the article title, which also is acceptable when enough folks use it. Indeed ] states: | |||
{{style-guideline|MOS:CAPS|WP:MOSCAPS|sortkey=Capital Letters}} | |||
:::'''"'''Some individuals do not want their personal names capitalized. In such cases, Misplaced Pages articles '''may use''' lower case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources (for example, ]). | |||
:::In articles where the case of symbols is significant, like those related to ]s or ] (for example, ''n'' is not equivalent to ''N''), the title should reflect this. It is best to avoid putting symbols like ''n'' at the beginning of a sentence where English rules would require capitalization.'''"''' | |||
::So, for the same reason, Damn all of those journalists and english majors who "corrected" e.e.cummings and k. d. lang as well. | |||
::There are plenty of redirects which will guide the casual and ignorant to the correct article, let us further inform them by titling the article correctly '''as a proper name''' as well. | |||
I read what you sent, Themeparkgc when you sent it and found it didn't apply. I find your reversions to be vandalism.] (]) 19:39, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:*Why bother copying all of that here - what's wrong with the section above? See my comments in that section. The comments that appear to be made by me in this section were made on Disneywizard's ] and have been modified when transferred over. <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 22:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Still don't think that the article is correct, but its hard to argue with someone who is willing to edit war.--] (]) 00:06, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::We need more votes from the Disney Park community. I agree, Jojhutton, and hate to argue in the first place. I find it most frustrating to spend two hours on dial-up including references only to loose them because the page was hastily removed. When I got back online I did find Themeparkgc's string of erroneous citations. Perhaps he assumes everyone is on a T1 and can keep up with his bots. Perhaps he could use his vast wiki knowledge to assist improving the article when he is done griping about talking about talking about it. (and quit interfering with the progress of ''plusing the place'' while thumping style-guideline|Leviticus claiming to be the word of god.) ] (]) 08:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
::::Only changed the Capitalization, per ]. No opinion on any of the other edits.--] (]) 12:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:::::Disneywizard, I have not removed any references or anything else you have added. I have only made changes to the capitalization of It's a Small World. <span class="plainlinks"></span> and <span class="plainlinks"></span> I have reverted only you edits which changed the name to lower case. I don't have a bot here on Misplaced Pages, however I do have rollbacking rights (which allows me to quickly revert edits). I wouldn't call changing the capitalization to lower case ''plusing the place''. <span style="border:1px solid #0072BC;padding:1px;">] ]</span> 22:04, 3 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
There is no proof, nor has there ever been proof that "it's a small world" recognized as a trademark. | |||
The U.S.Patent and Trademark office only recognized IT'S A SMALL WORLD as a service mark August 18, 2010.http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=78305057 | |||
The proper name of the song has never been copyrighted "it's a small world (after all)" and can not be recognized as a trademark or service mark. | |||
So, every reference in the article to attraction titles before 8-18-2010 should be grandfathered in as all lower case, enclosed in quotes. The song should never have a capital letter in it. Once again, MOS:TM does not apply and MOS:Caps opposes excessive capitalization and permits all lower case proper names. | |||
Oh, and Jojhutton, if you disagree, kindly go through the article and make individual changes, instead of destroying any additional edits made in good faith by other editors - as opposed to the lazy reversion vandalism you continue to inflict, based blindly on false information and your myopic beliefs.] (]) 05:29, 13 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Its difficult to revert what you perceive to be Good Faith edits that you intermingle with your non-guideline edits. Please do not disrupt the page and the integrity of wikipedia by attempting to wikilawer whether or not you feel that the name of the ride is trademarked or not. Misplaced Pages has its own policy and guidelines and is not bound by outside rules of law.--] ]</font> 20:38, 22 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
To quote Sue Gardner, Wikimedia Foundation Executive Director in | |||
:We want people to trust Misplaced Pages, not worry that it is trying to propagandize them. | |||
Then why, ] ]</font> must you insist on lying to the public and forcing an all title case version of the true name? MOS:Caps is there to prevent ALL CAPS agrandizing, and spam MEANT FOR SHOUTING! This is the opposite of that, and approved usage. By the way MOS in no way suggests that the song, a separate entity, needs any capitalization and should remain correctly titled "it's a small world (after all)" - entirely lower case and enclosed in quotes. ] (]) 02:02, 18 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
::It's a .--] ]</font> 02:26, 18 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
Do you people realize what you're fighting over? | |||
] (]) 15:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC) | |||
==Lyrics== | |||
] does not apply. This song '''''"it's a small world (after all)"''''' is perhaps the world's most noted song for not having a copyright. ] (]) 20:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC) | |||
:See "]," below. The claim that it is not copyrighted is not supported by any source and is contrary to US Copyright Office records. I see you are the editor who the unsourced claim. What did you base this on? ] (]) 20:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
== The Magic The Memories and You == | |||
Disney recently unveiled a new projection show called ''The Magic The Memories and You'' at Disneyland and also at Disney World. The Disneyland version is projected onto the It's a Small World facade while the Disney World show is shown on ]. Why hasn't this been mentioned on this article page, or possibly a seperate article? ~ ] (]) 12:01, 10 April 2011 (UTC) | |||
:It was mentioned, then removed by Jojhutton vandalism of reversion. Now restored ] (]) 20:07, 20 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
::Then vandalized by Jojhutton later that day.] (]) 05:36, 13 September 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Page needs fixing == | |||
The info box on this page is broken (the underlying code is displaying on the page). I'm not knowledgeable enough to fix it. Can someone assist? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:fixed ] (]) 20:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC) | |||
== Copyright status of song == | |||
It appears that the Small World song is not copyrighted. This means two things: | |||
* We could post the lyrics to the song. We probably shouldn't, as it's not encyclopedic. | |||
* We could post a recording. We absolutely should, as it would add greatly to the article. | |||
] ] 13:48, 21 October 2011 (UTC) | |||
:Recordings can be problematic. Just because the song is in the public domain doesn't mean that any given performance of the song is in the public domain. Someone could record a PD rendition explicitly for use on Misplaced Pages, but how desirable would that be? What if it was just a MIDI of the main melody? There are a lot of questions here. ] <sup><small><small>]</small></small></sup> 22:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC) | |||
::The claim that the song is not copyrighted is unsourced, and appears to be false. According to U.S. Copyright Office records, its copyright was registered on October 4, 1963, reg. no. EU0000793673, and renewed October 15, 1991, renewal reg. no. RE0000548478. To confirm, go to the Copyright Office and search on "RE0000548478" with "Search By:" set to "Registration Number". I'm going to delete the passage from the article. ] (]) 19:54, 7 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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I think 1 is Hawaii (which lilo & stitch) appeared in. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | I think 1 is Hawaii (which lilo & stitch) appeared in. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | ||
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== Title: Capitalized or not? == | ||
There is not, nor has there ever been, a consensus over the proper title ''"it's a small world"''. I can find no directive which states the truth must bend to Misplaced Pages in letter or intent, yet I ''can'' find allowances which state that Misplaced Pages must allow for the truth by reflecting a model of the real world. I write the truth and other vandals such as J Hutton try to convince others that their vision of Misplaced Pages version outweighs the truth. So, even though Misplaced Pages manual of style specifically permits the article title to be enclosed within quotes and entirely lower-case, I concede, because I grow tired of fighting the vandalism of rapid reversion (which also wipes out greater truths,) but I shall forever correct the 1964 installation ticket, photo, attraction title, song and any other "it's a small world" mentions - simply because the arguments which maintain MOS and TM as a cover-all blanket in no way applies to them, when merchandising appears in the article you may apply the MOS TM regarding '''NO SHOUTING''' in titles. It is not the Disney organization which "stylized" the attraction title - they titled the attraction long before the existence of Wikis. It is a stylization of Misplaced Pages in an attempt to standardize titles for the convenience of lookups which provides for other tools when the truth trumps the standard. Other, printed, encyclopedias stylize titles without spaces but depict the true name clearly in the text. The Sherman brothers did not write "It's a Small World", they wrote ''"it's a small world (after all)"''. Will the perpetrators of the fallacy please go back and carefully re-read those from my point-of-view, it's important that school children who may cite the Wiki article speak the truth - not your mangled interpretation of MOS or TM manipulations. There simply are no valid reasons to upper-case any historic 1964 small world title references, songs, locations or any other mentions. Peace be with you. ] (]) 15:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC) <small>…this is where you apologize for being a knucklehead all these years —</small> | There is not, nor has there ever been, a consensus over the proper title ''"it's a small world"''. I can find no directive which states the truth must bend to Misplaced Pages in letter or intent, yet I ''can'' find allowances which state that Misplaced Pages must allow for the truth by reflecting a model of the real world. I write the truth and other vandals such as J Hutton try to convince others that their vision of Misplaced Pages version outweighs the truth. So, even though Misplaced Pages manual of style specifically permits the article title to be enclosed within quotes and entirely lower-case, I concede, because I grow tired of fighting the vandalism of rapid reversion (which also wipes out greater truths,) but I shall forever correct the 1964 installation ticket, photo, attraction title, song and any other "it's a small world" mentions - simply because the arguments which maintain MOS and TM as a cover-all blanket in no way applies to them, when merchandising appears in the article you may apply the MOS TM regarding '''NO SHOUTING''' in titles. It is not the Disney organization which "stylized" the attraction title - they titled the attraction long before the existence of Wikis. It is a stylization of Misplaced Pages in an attempt to standardize titles for the convenience of lookups which provides for other tools when the truth trumps the standard. Other, printed, encyclopedias stylize titles without spaces but depict the true name clearly in the text. The Sherman brothers did not write "It's a Small World", they wrote ''"it's a small world (after all)"''. Will the perpetrators of the fallacy please go back and carefully re-read those from my point-of-view, it's important that school children who may cite the Wiki article speak the truth - not your mangled interpretation of MOS or TM manipulations. There simply are no valid reasons to upper-case any historic 1964 small world title references, songs, locations or any other mentions. Peace be with you. ] (]) 15:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC) <small>…this is where you apologize for being a knucklehead all these years —</small> | ||
*Read ]. Its basically the guideline that is referred to here. This was discussed before and you had no support for it, You still do not.--] ] |
*Read ]. Its basically the guideline that is referred to here. This was discussed before and you had no support for it, You still do not.--] ] 03:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | ||
**I read and re-read ] very carefully, please do the same. The attraction, both 1964-5 and theme park installations is not a product, so it can't be trademarked. The associated locations ''"it's a small world" Mall'' and song ''"it's a small world (after all)"'' also can not be trademarked, but the original song can be copyrighted - which it isn't (there exits orchestrations and artist interpretations which have been copyrighted but the original remains in the public domain.) Please report yourself to higher authorities, then ban yourself for vandalism by blind reversion - I didn't change the article title but you consistently fail to carefully edit - it seems that you see my name on the change and knee-jerk reactionary revert the edit. Again - when the article begins to discuss merchandise you may apply ] to those objects.] (]) 14:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
***That is your interpretation of it. No one else's.--] ] 15:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
***Also the article needs to reflect its use in sources, regardless of how the trademark owner (Disney) presents it. Here is an article from the ''OC Register'' , and the Deseret News , and then the LA Times , as well as Reuters . Sorry but its not a lie, its the truth according to sources. This just looks like a case of ].--] ] 16:06, 17 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
] is pretty clear on this. And even if it wasn't, it applies equally well to service marks, trade dress, and similar forms of IP, any one of which surely applies to the stylization of this ride's name. We use the realistic English capitalization scheme. And honestly, even if we just used whatever, we very likely wouldn't substitute our own judgment and recapitalize what's in our sources' titles, as I see you've been doing, Disneywizard. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 17:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
The song title should clearly be capitalized per ]. "''In English, titles of compositions (... songs and other audio works ...) every word is given an initial capital except for certain less important words...''" With respect to the ride itself, I side with the interpretation of ] given by {{u|Jojhutton}} and {{u|Mendaliv}}. The trademark is the proper name for the ride -- that's the only way you use a trademark. If you read ] to exclude references to the thing that is the subject of the trademark, then ] is pretty close to meaningless; it could only apply to articles about the trademark itself. (Which is pointless, especially because trademarks are generally not case-specific , and are generally specified in '''all''' upper case; see, e.g., Disney's trademark registration no. , registering the mark as "IT'S A SMALL WORLD"). | |||
Add to this the press examples cited by {{u|Jojhutton}}, and it's pretty clear that ] weighs in favor of capitalizing each word, as well. | |||
The only basis for not capitalizing it is {{u|Disneywizard}}'s assertions. I'm not inclined to give them a lot of weight, given the issues with past assertions, made with just as much confidence, but shown to be incorrect (see the ], above). ] (]) 21:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Yeah, I didn't quite get the "it's not a product thus ] does not apply" assertion above until I thought about it a bit more. There's a critical assumption that ] only applies to true trademarks (presumably in the Lanham Act sense). But the lede of the guideline makes it absolutely clear that the guideline applies to trademarks, service marks, business names, and the like (and appears to have been accepted to have such a scope since 2011). And then there's the evident claim that, okay, where IASW is used to refer to a trademark (i.e., refers to marks on goods rather than used to describe services or businesses) we'll use the wording according to ], but where it's a service mark or trade name... all bets are off and we use the lowercase name. That itself presumes that the common name isn't capitalized (the third party sources don't bear this out), that we wouldn't standardize in the direction of ] for simplicity's sake, and that we weren't allowed to reach a local consensus to not use the lowercase name. —/]/<sup><small>]</small></sup>/<sub><small>]</small></sub>/ 22:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
Let not editors of "professional journalists" scour away the beautiful and wonderous truth. How's about we work to destroy the false application of Misplaced Pages 'Manual Of Style" weilded by the vindictive clueless to prevent the title listing and article description of the proper pronoun "it's a small world" (always in quotes, always entirely lowercase ) and defeat the self elected net cop dedicated to perpetuating the CamelCase title lie of Its A Small World by dunning out those weak arguments with the righteousely indignant with overwhelming consensus for the truth. Down with revisionist historianism! Perpetuate only the truth! (Even a proper title in English Manual of Style does not capitalize the 'a' (nor 'the', 'of,' conjunctions, et cetera, for that matter.)) Do it in the name of Dave Smith and smite the wicked, striking down darkness with a beacon of illumination as crusading knights of King Arthur's Carrousel armed with these truths - the attraction cannot be trademarked,only products based on the attraction and the Wiki Manual of Style states Trademarks are ALL CAPS not object titles for the purpose of NOT SHOUTING - careful consideration of MOS:TM *enforces* all lower case! | |||
Wiki encourages proper names in lowercase, such as k.d. lang and e.e.cumming in order to reflect the truth. | |||
Just because other sources such as clueless editors at newspapers have misnamed the attraction for so long does not mandate prevention of immediate and perpetual correction. | |||
Over 50 years old now and the old girl is still looking pretty sharp. Let us honor the old girl by refusing to call her by anything but her true name - "it's a small world." Long live the Queen! And Dave, as defender of historical fact and knight of the realm, long may he fight the good fight! Three cheers! HERE HERE! HERE HERE! HERE HERE! 😇🛡👸🏻 ] (]) 08:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC) | |||
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== It’s a Small World on some Coin-Operated Kiddie Rides == | |||
The version of this song heard on the 1990 CD/audiocassette album, “Disney Children’s Favorites Vol. 4” can be heard on some coin-operated kiddie rides that run on soundboards supplied by the Taiwan-based Eletech company. is the version of the song I’m talking about. | |||
As for example, plays “It’s a Small World.” (and for some reason, the audio is pitched down) | |||
Just a little fun fact. | |||
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What location are there? I think 1 is Hawaii (which lilo & stitch) appeared in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.101.38.140 (talk) 17:08, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
Title: Capitalized or not?
There is not, nor has there ever been, a consensus over the proper title "it's a small world". I can find no directive which states the truth must bend to Misplaced Pages in letter or intent, yet I can find allowances which state that Misplaced Pages must allow for the truth by reflecting a model of the real world. I write the truth and other vandals such as J Hutton try to convince others that their vision of Misplaced Pages version outweighs the truth. So, even though Misplaced Pages manual of style specifically permits the article title to be enclosed within quotes and entirely lower-case, I concede, because I grow tired of fighting the vandalism of rapid reversion (which also wipes out greater truths,) but I shall forever correct the 1964 installation ticket, photo, attraction title, song and any other "it's a small world" mentions - simply because the arguments which maintain MOS and TM as a cover-all blanket in no way applies to them, when merchandising appears in the article you may apply the MOS TM regarding NO SHOUTING in titles. It is not the Disney organization which "stylized" the attraction title - they titled the attraction long before the existence of Wikis. It is a stylization of Misplaced Pages in an attempt to standardize titles for the convenience of lookups which provides for other tools when the truth trumps the standard. Other, printed, encyclopedias stylize titles without spaces but depict the true name clearly in the text. The Sherman brothers did not write "It's a Small World", they wrote "it's a small world (after all)". Will the perpetrators of the fallacy please go back and carefully re-read those from my point-of-view, it's important that school children who may cite the Wiki article speak the truth - not your mangled interpretation of MOS or TM manipulations. There simply are no valid reasons to upper-case any historic 1964 small world title references, songs, locations or any other mentions. Peace be with you. Disneywizard (talk) 15:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC) …this is where you apologize for being a knucklehead all these years —
- Read MOS:TM. Its basically the guideline that is referred to here. This was discussed before and you had no support for it, You still do not.--JOJ 03:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- I read and re-read MOS:TM very carefully, please do the same. The attraction, both 1964-5 and theme park installations is not a product, so it can't be trademarked. The associated locations "it's a small world" Mall and song "it's a small world (after all)" also can not be trademarked, but the original song can be copyrighted - which it isn't (there exits orchestrations and artist interpretations which have been copyrighted but the original remains in the public domain.) Please report yourself to higher authorities, then ban yourself for vandalism by blind reversion - I didn't change the article title but you consistently fail to carefully edit - it seems that you see my name on the change and knee-jerk reactionary revert the edit. Again - when the article begins to discuss merchandise you may apply MOS:TM to those objects.Disneywizard (talk) 14:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- That is your interpretation of it. No one else's.--JOJ 15:38, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- Also the article needs to reflect its use in sources, regardless of how the trademark owner (Disney) presents it. Here is an article from the OC Register , and the Deseret News , and then the LA Times , as well as Reuters . Sorry but its not a lie, its the truth according to sources. This just looks like a case of I don't like it.--JOJ 16:06, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
- I read and re-read MOS:TM very carefully, please do the same. The attraction, both 1964-5 and theme park installations is not a product, so it can't be trademarked. The associated locations "it's a small world" Mall and song "it's a small world (after all)" also can not be trademarked, but the original song can be copyrighted - which it isn't (there exits orchestrations and artist interpretations which have been copyrighted but the original remains in the public domain.) Please report yourself to higher authorities, then ban yourself for vandalism by blind reversion - I didn't change the article title but you consistently fail to carefully edit - it seems that you see my name on the change and knee-jerk reactionary revert the edit. Again - when the article begins to discuss merchandise you may apply MOS:TM to those objects.Disneywizard (talk) 14:50, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
MOS:TM is pretty clear on this. And even if it wasn't, it applies equally well to service marks, trade dress, and similar forms of IP, any one of which surely applies to the stylization of this ride's name. We use the realistic English capitalization scheme. And honestly, even if we just used whatever, we very likely wouldn't substitute our own judgment and recapitalize what's in our sources' titles, as I see you've been doing, Disneywizard. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 17:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
The song title should clearly be capitalized per MOS:CT. "In English, titles of compositions (... songs and other audio works ...) every word is given an initial capital except for certain less important words..." With respect to the ride itself, I side with the interpretation of MOS:TM given by Jojhutton and Mendaliv. The trademark is the proper name for the ride -- that's the only way you use a trademark. If you read MOS:TM to exclude references to the thing that is the subject of the trademark, then MOS:TM is pretty close to meaningless; it could only apply to articles about the trademark itself. (Which is pointless, especially because trademarks are generally not case-specific , and are generally specified in all upper case; see, e.g., Disney's trademark registration no. 2,969,994, registering the mark as "IT'S A SMALL WORLD").
Add to this the press examples cited by Jojhutton, and it's pretty clear that WP:COMMONNAME weighs in favor of capitalizing each word, as well.
The only basis for not capitalizing it is Disneywizard's assertions. I'm not inclined to give them a lot of weight, given the issues with past assertions, made with just as much confidence, but shown to be incorrect (see the claim that the song was never copyrighted, above). TJRC (talk) 21:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I didn't quite get the "it's not a product thus MOS:TM does not apply" assertion above until I thought about it a bit more. There's a critical assumption that MOS:TM only applies to true trademarks (presumably in the Lanham Act sense). But the lede of the guideline makes it absolutely clear that the guideline applies to trademarks, service marks, business names, and the like (and appears to have been accepted to have such a scope since 2011). And then there's the evident claim that, okay, where IASW is used to refer to a trademark (i.e., refers to marks on goods rather than used to describe services or businesses) we'll use the wording according to MOS:TM, but where it's a service mark or trade name... all bets are off and we use the lowercase name. That itself presumes that the common name isn't capitalized (the third party sources don't bear this out), that we wouldn't standardize in the direction of MOS:TM for simplicity's sake, and that we weren't allowed to reach a local consensus to not use the lowercase name. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 22:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Let not editors of "professional journalists" scour away the beautiful and wonderous truth. How's about we work to destroy the false application of Misplaced Pages 'Manual Of Style" weilded by the vindictive clueless to prevent the title listing and article description of the proper pronoun "it's a small world" (always in quotes, always entirely lowercase ) and defeat the self elected net cop dedicated to perpetuating the CamelCase title lie of Its A Small World by dunning out those weak arguments with the righteousely indignant with overwhelming consensus for the truth. Down with revisionist historianism! Perpetuate only the truth! (Even a proper title in English Manual of Style does not capitalize the 'a' (nor 'the', 'of,' conjunctions, et cetera, for that matter.)) Do it in the name of Dave Smith and smite the wicked, striking down darkness with a beacon of illumination as crusading knights of King Arthur's Carrousel armed with these truths - the attraction cannot be trademarked,only products based on the attraction and the Wiki Manual of Style states Trademarks are ALL CAPS not object titles for the purpose of NOT SHOUTING - careful consideration of MOS:TM *enforces* all lower case! Wiki encourages proper names in lowercase, such as k.d. lang and e.e.cumming in order to reflect the truth. Just because other sources such as clueless editors at newspapers have misnamed the attraction for so long does not mandate prevention of immediate and perpetual correction. Over 50 years old now and the old girl is still looking pretty sharp. Let us honor the old girl by refusing to call her by anything but her true name - "it's a small world." Long live the Queen! And Dave, as defender of historical fact and knight of the realm, long may he fight the good fight! Three cheers! HERE HERE! HERE HERE! HERE HERE! 😇🛡👸🏻 Disneywizard (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
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It’s a Small World on some Coin-Operated Kiddie Rides
The version of this song heard on the 1990 CD/audiocassette album, “Disney Children’s Favorites Vol. 4” can be heard on some coin-operated kiddie rides that run on soundboards supplied by the Taiwan-based Eletech company. This is the version of the song I’m talking about.
As for example, this horse kiddie ride plays “It’s a Small World.” (and for some reason, the audio is pitched down)
Just a little fun fact. 2601:4C4:4000:A8C0:E535:ADFB:A2F4:C81 (talk) 00:40, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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