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| ==Stupid hatnote== | |||
| ==witch rumors (media reference)== | |||
| Nobody in the known universe is going to confuse one of the most iconic singers in popular music history with an obscure album track by a barely known band. Reeks of self-promotion. ] (]) 04:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| In the Harry Potter parody in ], Lord Montymort (Montgomery Burns) says that Lisa Simpson is "witchier than Stevie Nicks"... ] (]) 01:58, 7 June 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Let's reel in the rhetoric a bit. | |||
| :You don't think we should have the hatnote. That does not make it "stupid". | |||
| :As a Fleetwood Mac fan for several decades who has seen them in concert several times and Nicks solo once, I'd say "one of the most iconic singers in popular music history" is an exaggeration. | |||
| :"Self-promotion"? I guess it's ''possible'' {{u|Jax 0677}} created an account in 2008, edited for 4 years, became part of a Texas band in 2012, waited for the band's 6th album 8 years later and decided to use his 12 years of editing Misplaced Pages to back up the weakest possible self-promotion I can think of in 2020. Then again, it's more likely you just disagree with the hatnote. | |||
| :IMO, per ], "Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind." It seems unlikely that a non-single and otherwise non-notable track from an album with no singles (does "Entertainment One Music" have A&R reps?) from a weakly notable band, it's unlikely someone came to Misplaced Pages looking for details on the song. | |||
| :Additionally, the edit warring to remove the hatnote is absurd. The hatnote sat there for a month before an IP decided it was somehow "spam". They were reverted. That would be a good time to ] the issue. Instead, the IP removed it again. Another good time to discuss the issue... FlightTime reverted again, asking for discussion. Then we got the above, and {{u|Escape Orbit}} removing it again. | |||
| :Seriously. - <span style="color:#D70270;background-color:white;">Sum</span><span style="color:#734F96;background-color:white;">mer</span><span style="color:#0038A8;background-color:white;">PhD</span><sup>]</sup> 03:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| ::Sorry, I wasn't aware there had been edit warring about this, but I stand by my edit. Very few people are going to come to Misplaced Pages looking for this album track. The album track is not of any significant notability, otherwise it would have an article of its own. No-one is going confuse the album article with the BLP, or expect to find an article on the album track in preference to the BLP. I don't believe the fact it sat there for a mere month to be a good reason for it being kept any longer. I'm not going to speculate on why it was added, but the editor who added it was misguided. | |||
| ::I am, of course, happy to be reverted if anyone can put a good case why it should be there. But I doubt it, and can't image why anyone would think it needs discussed. --] <sup>]</sup> 08:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC) | |||
| == Mystical stage persona == | |||
| What is a "mystical stage persona"? The lede says she has one, but there seems to be nothing in the article to support it. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); ]; ]</span> 20:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't think that kind of wording belongs in an encyclopedia. Besides, the cited source is from a blog on her own website. I will remove it. /VFD ] (]) 12:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC) | |||
| :Nicks ], who in turn says Nicks supports him. The connection ]. Is this notable here, and how could it be written in this article? ] (]) 21:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC) | |||
| == 2023 concerts with Billy Joel == | |||
| Below is a quote from the tour section in the article: | |||
| "In 2023, she and Billy Joel will perform a series of concerts across the United States". | |||
| It is 2024 now, either the concerts happened or they didn't. Either way it is out of date. (] (]) 21:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)) | |||
| == 1975-78:Fleetwood Mac and Rumours section. Re:Silver Springs. == | |||
| == Stevie Nicks == | |||
| Paragraph five, sentence two reads,"Nicks had also written and recorded the song "Silver Springs", but it was ultimately not included on the album because of space limitations for studio albums on vinyl records,which were limited to 24 minutes per side." | |||
| '''She also playes the piano.''' ] (]) 13:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC) | |||
| It seems to me that time constraints may not have been the only reason, if the real reason at all, for not including "Silver Springs" on "Rumours". I 'm not challenging the 24 minute limit. The Misplaced Pages article on L.P. records makes it clear that a 24 minute limit would be desirable for audio quality and/or technical reasons. | |||
| == Recommendation == | |||
| There is only one reference, at the end of the paragraph, for a fan site and link. (nicksfix.com/offtherecord.htm) The link contains a transcript from a radio interview with Nicks decades after the "Rumours" sessions. What is in the transcript doesn't quite match the above quote. In The interview Nicks says "Well, their reasons are, it was too long, and so, without asking me… or telling me… they recorded I Don’t Want to Know…. and put Silver Springs on the back of Go Your Own Way…. which was probably one of the most devastating things anybody has ever done to me in my life…." | |||
| The article's lead section appears to be overly descriptive of her accomplishments rather than providing a broad overview of Nicks' life and career. The extensive coverage of her awards distracts from the introduction of some of the article's other subtopics, like her artistry and personal life. ] (]) 12:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Hmmmm. Earlier in the interview Nicks talks about the collaborative process of the band taking one of her songs and working on it to be recorded in the studio. Apparently, and she implies this, the song was set to be included on the album. ( the Wiki article on "Rumours" also states this. ) Seems to me the time issue would have come up at some point '''before''' the decision to include the song on the album. The running time for side one of "Rumours" ( per my copy, U.S. release 1977 ) is 19 minutes, 24 seconds, so a edited or re-recorded version of the song at around 4 minutes could have easily been included on the record on side one without any deletions of other songs. The 2004 C.D. release has the song after "Songbird", which could have been done as well in 1977 on side one of the L.P. with an edited or re-recorded version and been within the 24 minute limitation. ( Original studio version of "Silver Springs" is 4:48 as given in the "Rumours" Wiki article for the album. The Live version released as a single from "The Dance" in 1997 is 4:29 as given in the Wiki article for "Silver Springs". ) | |||
| == Touring with Joe Walsh == | |||
| I accept the 24 minute limit for L.P. sides as an industry standard, and I believe the decision to include "Silver Springs" on "Rumours" had been made and later changed, and I believe an edited or re-recorded version of the song could have been included on the album within the 24 minute limitation, so then the 24 minute limitation as the '''only''' explanation for deletion of the song from "Rumours" in this article, just does not suffice for me, especially in light of what Nicks says in the interview from the reference given, and the more than four minutes that was available on side one of "Rumours". | |||
| The following sentence: | |||
| The time constraint reason is repeated in the Wiki article for the song. The reference given there is for the 1997 Documentary of the making of the album, which I have not seen and, may give a satisfactory explanation. | |||
| ''Nicks toured with Walsh in 1984.'' | |||
| Without a creditable reference to support the assertion that the song was excluded from "Rumours" '''solely''' because of the time constraints of L.P. records, it should be removed. I think a paraphrasing of what is said in the Wiki article on "Rumours" should be good enough for this article. "Silver Springs" (4:48), a song written by Nicks, was recorded at the same sessions and intended for inclusion on Rumours. It was eventually released as the B-side of "Go Your Own Way" and has been restored to later reissues of the album. | |||
| is inaccurate. The tour with Walsh as opening act was in 1983, not 1984. See Waddy Wachtel’s website for confirmation (Wachtel was the lead guitarist on the tour). | |||
| Also the last sentence of paragraph five in this section states, "The song, the rights to which are owned by Nicks' late mother Barbara... | |||
| http://waddywachtelinfo.com/StevieNicks3.html ] (]) 17:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
| There is nothing about Nicks Mother owing the rights to the song in the text the reference links to, this too should be referenced from a creditable source or removed.] (]) 15:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| what is Stevie Nicks husband name and what does he look like? ] (]) 11:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :Good analysis and conclusion. The issues you bring up make me think that the issue needs more references telling about it rather than more contemplation on our part. Here's what I found out about "Silver Springs" in books: | |||
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| :*. In this book, the engineer Ken Caillat says that the producer wanted to stay under 22 minutes per side (which would allow a higher quality sound with a deeper and wider groove than 24 minutes). Caillat puts the location as the Record Plant in Hollywood, not the one in Sausalito. He confirms that Nicks was unhappy, but he says she recorded a really good performance despite her bad reaction. ] (]) 16:16, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Thank You very much. ] (]) 16:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Caillat also says there was a concern that the album would have too many slow songs. To me, that seems like the real reason for kicking out "Silver Springs", because its replacement was a fast song. The difference in time between the two songs is 3:16 versus 4:26, so only 70 seconds. Side Two runs about 20:02, plus some between-song silence, so the longer song would still have been less than 22:00 total. "Silver Springs" could have fit! Caillat describes how everybody but Nicks was happy about having the faster song in place of "Silver Springs". ] (]) 17:34, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I've changed sentence two and added one of the references you provided, and also removed the bit about song ownership from the last sentence. ] (]) 17:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I was just reading the preface of "Making Rumours" and on page xiv Mr. Caillat says ..."all came together to create Rumours at the record plant in Sausalito", but then on 294 talks about it being hot in Hollywood, so looks like both Record Plants were used ? ] (]) 18:41, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, both Record Plants were used. The northern one in Sausalito was used for tracking. The southern one in Hollywood was used for mixing, and for recording all of the replacement song "I Don't Want to Know". Just for absolute clarity, the first Record Plant was in New York City, but it was never visited by Nicks or Fleetwood Mac. ] (]) 23:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Stupid hatnote
Nobody in the known universe is going to confuse one of the most iconic singers in popular music history with an obscure album track by a barely known band. Reeks of self-promotion. 2A02:C7F:8F1A:F700:53:B8E6:7522:7E49 (talk) 04:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
- Let's reel in the rhetoric a bit.
- You don't think we should have the hatnote. That does not make it "stupid".
- As a Fleetwood Mac fan for several decades who has seen them in concert several times and Nicks solo once, I'd say "one of the most iconic singers in popular music history" is an exaggeration.
- "Self-promotion"? I guess it's possible Jax 0677 created an account in 2008, edited for 4 years, became part of a Texas band in 2012, waited for the band's 6th album 8 years later and decided to use his 12 years of editing Misplaced Pages to back up the weakest possible self-promotion I can think of in 2020. Then again, it's more likely you just disagree with the hatnote.
- IMO, per WP:HNR, "Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind." It seems unlikely that a non-single and otherwise non-notable track from an album with no singles (does "Entertainment One Music" have A&R reps?) from a weakly notable band, it's unlikely someone came to Misplaced Pages looking for details on the song.
- Additionally, the edit warring to remove the hatnote is absurd. The hatnote sat there for a month before an IP decided it was somehow "spam". They were reverted. That would be a good time to discuss the issue. Instead, the IP removed it again. Another good time to discuss the issue... FlightTime reverted again, asking for discussion. Then we got the above, and Escape Orbit removing it again.
- Seriously. - SummerPhD 03:38, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, I wasn't aware there had been edit warring about this, but I stand by my edit. Very few people are going to come to Misplaced Pages looking for this album track. The album track is not of any significant notability, otherwise it would have an article of its own. No-one is going confuse the album article with the BLP, or expect to find an article on the album track in preference to the BLP. I don't believe the fact it sat there for a mere month to be a good reason for it being kept any longer. I'm not going to speculate on why it was added, but the editor who added it was misguided.
- I am, of course, happy to be reverted if anyone can put a good case why it should be there. But I doubt it, and can't image why anyone would think it needs discussed. --Escape Orbit 08:55, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
Mystical stage persona
What is a "mystical stage persona"? The lede says she has one, but there seems to be nothing in the article to support it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:27, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- I don't think that kind of wording belongs in an encyclopedia. Besides, the cited source is from a blog on her own website. I will remove it. /VFD Very Fantastic Dude (talk) 12:56, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
- Nicks says "muse" about Harry Styles, who in turn says Nicks supports him. The connection was found Notable there. Is this notable here, and how could it be written in this article? TGCP (talk) 21:12, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
2023 concerts with Billy Joel
Below is a quote from the tour section in the article:
"In 2023, she and Billy Joel will perform a series of concerts across the United States".
It is 2024 now, either the concerts happened or they didn't. Either way it is out of date. (Fran Bosh (talk) 21:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC))
Stevie Nicks
She also playes the piano. 2601:243:2181:1AC0:5F0:AB77:8E6:24D7 (talk) 13:24, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Recommendation
The article's lead section appears to be overly descriptive of her accomplishments rather than providing a broad overview of Nicks' life and career. The extensive coverage of her awards distracts from the introduction of some of the article's other subtopics, like her artistry and personal life. Ramblinman1 (talk) 12:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Touring with Joe Walsh
The following sentence:
Nicks toured with Walsh in 1984.
is inaccurate. The tour with Walsh as opening act was in 1983, not 1984. See Waddy Wachtel’s website for confirmation (Wachtel was the lead guitarist on the tour).
http://waddywachtelinfo.com/StevieNicks3.html 198.102.58.250 (talk) 17:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
what is Stevie Nicks husband name and what does he look like? 2600:6C54:7E00:1AC7:E438:698B:E0AC:F7E5 (talk) 11:38, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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