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	Evolution is just a theory not a fact it's a religion just as creationism so to have a neutral point of view both should be allowed. Also evolution does not have a enough evidence to prove it's true creationism has as much prove as Evolution if not more.{{unsigned\|Hwahl90}}		Evolution is just a theory not a fact it's a religion just as creationism so to have a neutral point of view both should be allowed. Also evolution does not have a enough evidence to prove it's true creationism has as much prove as Evolution if not more.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	:Whatever you want to believe, that's simply not what mainstream science has concluded based on experimentation and observation (such as the ], ], and fossil records). ], following mainstream science. Believe whatever you want, but know that ], and ] and ] to ideas rejected by mainstream science. All of those blue words? Those are links to the site policies that represent the collective will of the community, and proof that you will be quickly blocked for trying to promote any sort of belief system. ] (]) 18:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)		:Whatever you want to believe, that's simply not what mainstream science has concluded based on experimentation and observation (such as the ], ], and fossil records). ], following mainstream science. Believe whatever you want, but know that ], and ] and ] to ideas rejected by mainstream science. All of those blue words? Those are links to the site policies that represent the collective will of the community, and proof that you will be quickly blocked for trying to promote any sort of belief system. ] (]) 18:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

	We can agree to disgree. But we live in a free country where theres not just one theory and Misplaced Pages is a neutral place and so they both should be allowed.{{unsigned\|Hwahl90}}		We can agree to disgree. But we live in a free country where theres not just one theory and Misplaced Pages is a neutral place and so they both should be allowed.<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
	:Misplaced Pages is not the United States government. It is a private entity. It is no more required to allow you to host your beliefs than you are required to host equal weight for evolution in your home. See ].		:Misplaced Pages is not the United States government. It is a private entity. It is no more required to allow you to host your beliefs than you are required to host equal weight for evolution in your home. See ].
	:Also, the idea we should treat both ideas as equally valid is not how science works. Science gives validity according to evidence, and Misplaced Pages follows suit. If you want to change Misplaced Pages, read up on evolution (not watered down straw-man arguments made up by creationists) so you know what you're arguing against, get a bunch of real scientific evidence for creationism that isn't misrepresented, misinterpreted, or outright faked; present it in scientific journals with proof that the evidence doesn't support evolution, and change mainstream science.		:Also, the idea we should treat both ideas as equally valid is not how science works. Science gives validity according to evidence, and Misplaced Pages follows suit. If you want to change Misplaced Pages, read up on evolution (not watered down straw-man arguments made up by creationists) so you know what you're arguing against, get a bunch of real scientific evidence for creationism that isn't misrepresented, misinterpreted, or outright faked; present it in scientific journals with proof that the evidence doesn't support evolution, and change mainstream science.
	:The idea that Misplaced Pages, schools, or whatever, should present both creationism and evolution as equally true equally insults scientific knowledge and religious belief. It treats both as a matter of opinion, meaning that neither matters and we might as well believe whatever we want. ] (]) 20:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)		:The idea that Misplaced Pages, schools, or whatever, should present both creationism and evolution as equally true equally insults scientific knowledge and religious belief. It treats both as a matter of opinion, meaning that neither matters and we might as well believe whatever we want. ] (]) 20:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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			<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' '''indefinitely''' from editing for inserting copyright violations into the encyclopedia after repeated warnings. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx\|" code. -->{{tlx\|unblock\|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}. However, you should read the ] first.  ] (]) 02:25, 21 July 2014 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block -->

			{{unblock reviewed \| 1=I though it was ok to use short Quotation but if it not I'll stop it I'm sorry I made some one so mad. thanks ] (]) 4:45 am, Today (UTC+1) \| decline = I don't see any evidence that you understand ''why'' your actions violated copyright, nor why this would be an issue on Misplaced Pages. Until you can convince an administrator that you have read and understood the ] (and this will take more than simply saying "I have read and understood the copyrights policy"), you will not be unblocked. ] ]] 09:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)}}
			:You never attributed nor indicated that you were quoting. You just copied and pasted the text in a way that could lead others to believe it was your writing, which is plagiarism, which is nothing short of someone else's writings. You also were told at four different points not to add any material from other sites, but didn't listen. Whether it's ] or ], we don't need it. ] (]) 04:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

			I thought after you mentioned that I put Quotations sorry if I did not. I was just trying put more info on wikipedia to make it better. also could you post the place where it says even if you have permission you can't post it from another website thanks<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

			:. ].
			:The legal implications of ] and the ] means that giving permission to the cite would be tantamount to revoking one's own copyright claims. By allowing material from their site to be reproduced here, they would effectively be donating their copyright to us.
			:Also, just ] instead of summarizing is just lazy and low-quality. ] (]) 04:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
			*Can I offer a word of advice? I'd hope you can get yourself fairly easily unblocked from your current block by showing that you understand Misplaced Pages's copyright policy and by promising not to copy material from other sites. But once you have achieved that, you need to start listening to the explanations you have been given about Misplaced Pages's approach to unbiased balance - Misplaced Pages presents a balance of what reliable sources (as defined at ]) say; it does not simply report all existing opinions with equal weight. Once you understand that, you need to stop pushing creationism - if you continue, you're pretty much certain to get a block for that very quickly. Your beliefs that there is no evidence for evolution, that creationism is more scientifically plausible, and that evolution is a religion? Well, I think that's deluded nonsense, but I happily support your right to hold those opinions and to express them - just not in Misplaced Pages articles. — Alan / ] (]) 08:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

			Thanks Alan, for the input I just though that putting stories and legend of living dinosaur and that both point of view should be included.

			{{unblock reviewed \| 1=I understand why I was blocked and I won't do it again I pasted and coped some info from another website Thanks] (]) 17:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC) \| decline = You're still not following either ] or the plethora of wise advice above. You need to show that a) you understand copyright, b) you understand the dangers it presents, and c) explain a CLEAR way forward ("I won't do it again" is not an explanation of what you will do instead) <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 09:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)}}

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Your recent editing history at Living dinosaur shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

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Misplaced Pages does not re-post copyrighted material in its articles, even with permission. Mainstream science regards evolution as a theory in the same way that gravity is "just a theory." In science, a theory is an idea that has enough evidence that there's not really any other plausible explanation. Nothing in Biology Makes Sense Except in the Light of Evolution. Non-evolutionary creationism is a poorly evidenced hypothesis (not a theory), really just an ideological rejection of mainstream science and pretense that religion and science are opposed when they aren't. As such, non-evolutionary creationism is treated as fringe and we do not give it equal validity with evolution. Ian.thomson (talk) 17:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Evolution is just a theory not a fact it's a religion just as creationism so to have a neutral point of view both should be allowed. Also evolution does not have a enough evidence to prove it's true creationism has as much prove as Evolution if not more.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwahl90 (talk • contribs)

Whatever you want to believe, that's simply not what mainstream science has concluded based on experimentation and observation (such as the E. coli long-term evolution experiment, Peppered moth evolution, and fossil records). Misplaced Pages regards "creation science" and "intelligent design" as fringe ideas, following mainstream science. Believe whatever you want, but know that Misplaced Pages will not support you in attempting to promote those beliefs, and is opposed to giving equal validity and equal weight to ideas rejected by mainstream science. All of those blue words? Those are links to the site policies that represent the collective will of the community, and proof that you will be quickly blocked for trying to promote any sort of belief system. Ian.thomson (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

We can agree to disgree. But we live in a free country where theres not just one theory and Misplaced Pages is a neutral place and so they both should be allowed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwahl90 (talk • contribs)

Misplaced Pages is not the United States government. It is a private entity. It is no more required to allow you to host your beliefs than you are required to host equal weight for evolution in your home. See Misplaced Pages:Free speech.

Also, the idea we should treat both ideas as equally valid is not how science works. Science gives validity according to evidence, and Misplaced Pages follows suit. If you want to change Misplaced Pages, read up on evolution (not watered down straw-man arguments made up by creationists) so you know what you're arguing against, get a bunch of real scientific evidence for creationism that isn't misrepresented, misinterpreted, or outright faked; present it in scientific journals with proof that the evidence doesn't support evolution, and change mainstream science.

The idea that Misplaced Pages, schools, or whatever, should present both creationism and evolution as equally true equally insults scientific knowledge and religious belief. It treats both as a matter of opinion, meaning that neither matters and we might as well believe whatever we want. Ian.thomson (talk) 20:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Your addition to Living dinosaur has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Misplaced Pages without permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Misplaced Pages:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Misplaced Pages. For legal reasons, Misplaced Pages cannot accept copyrighted text, or images borrowed from other websites, or printed material without a verifiable license; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Misplaced Pages takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:09, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Young earth creationist pov-pusher repeatedly violating copyright. Thank you. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:03, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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I though it was ok to use short Quotation but if it not I'll stop it I'm sorry I made some one so mad. thanks Hwahl90 (talk) 4:45 am, Today (UTC+1)

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You never attributed nor indicated that you were quoting. You just copied and pasted the text in a way that could lead others to believe it was your writing, which is plagiarism, which is nothing short of stealing someone else's writings. You also were told at four different points not to add any material from other sites, but didn't listen. Whether it's refusal to cooperate or sheer incompetence, we don't need it. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I thought after you mentioned that I put Quotations sorry if I did not. I was just trying put more info on wikipedia to make it better. also could you post the place where it says even if you have permission you can't post it from another website thanks— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hwahl90 (talk • contribs)

You did not provide any indication of quotation. Not knowing that does not help your case.

The legal implications of CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL means that giving permission to the cite would be tantamount to revoking one's own copyright claims. By allowing material from their site to be reproduced here, they would effectively be donating their copyright to us.

Also, just copying-and-pasting instead of summarizing is just lazy and low-quality. Ian.thomson (talk) 04:26, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Can I offer a word of advice? I'd hope you can get yourself fairly easily unblocked from your current block by showing that you understand Misplaced Pages's copyright policy and by promising not to copy material from other sites. But once you have achieved that, you need to start listening to the explanations you have been given about Misplaced Pages's approach to unbiased balance - Misplaced Pages presents a balance of what reliable sources (as defined at WP:RS) say; it does not simply report all existing opinions with equal weight. Once you understand that, you need to stop pushing creationism - if you continue, you're pretty much certain to get a block for that very quickly. Your beliefs that there is no evidence for evolution, that creationism is more scientifically plausible, and that evolution is a religion? Well, I think that's deluded nonsense, but I happily support your right to hold those opinions and to express them - just not in Misplaced Pages articles. — Alan / Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:30, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Alan, for the input I just though that putting stories and legend of living dinosaur and that both point of view should be included.

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I understand why I was blocked and I won't do it again I pasted and coped some info from another website ThanksHwahl90 (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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You're still not following either WP:GAB or the plethora of wise advice above. You need to show that a) you understand copyright, b) you understand the dangers it presents, and c) explain a CLEAR way forward ("I won't do it again" is not an explanation of what you will do instead) the panda ₯’ 09:49, 24 July 2014 (UTC)