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== Grand Restaurant Karel V == == Seasonal RHI-ORD ==


Good morning. Please locate the news of RHI-ORD seasonal United Express service on the opening page of flyrhinelander.com web site, and note the source as required for addition within UALs page. Thanks. Have an even better than expected day. ~~ ] (]) 15:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:I will unprotect the page. If there is any more edit warring then the editors involved will be blocked. Also you need to stop with the aspersions. ], ], <small>]</small> 13:14, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:Per ], connections need to be sourced by ''independent'' sources. The airport itself or the airline involved are obviously not independent sources. Sorry. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::To clarify a bit. What I meant was edit warring from the unprotection, taking the unprotection to be a clean start. ], ], <small>]</small> 13:38, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
:::I hope the others concur with the present article. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 13:43, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
::::I'm not going to continue to complain about the four sources but I do think you can cover it with one source. Never mind. I've created ]. The red links mostly have article on Dutch wikipedia and probably should be started on here. Feel free to add lots of chefs from your Michelin articles or revamp the star system to reflect number of stars they held at peak or currently and grill it :-). I'll try to help blue some links sometime although might need assistance from you or {{ping|Drmies}}.♦ ] 09:55, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::To be honest, don't expect too much help from me. My focus is on the restaurants. First to write the remaining 70 or so, then update the existing ones (one website disappeared, the other went behind a paywall). Only when that is done, the focus will shift to the head chefs. But I do not guarantee that I will not write articles about chefs before that shift in focus. You never know what is going to happen. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:44, 22 June 2014 (UTC)


== Reverting Belgrade Airport ==
Also started ] which you might add to...♦ ] 10:12, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
*Between the two of you, you have done a lot already for the project, and you can do so much more. Who else is going to write all this stuff up? ] (]) 22:27, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


Sorry, but I added details about available parkings (distances, prices, etc), bus lines (with timetables and routes), and passage about new passport eGates. And you say that it is not an improvement?! All my additions were cited properly! ] (]) 19:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Andy Hayler Reviews ==
:I call it advertising. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Advertising? What is there advertised? It is only service data relevant for passengers.
::All of the listed parkings are legal parkings under control of the airport itself (private parkings around airport were not mentioned). So where is advertising there?
::All of the listed bus routes are legal bus routes. Provided were links to exact routes and timetables. Where is advertising there?
::And what about eGates passport booths? What is wrong with that since you reverted that as well? It is an official information - eGates are available starting today. ] (]) 19:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::We're an encyclopaedia, not a travel guide. We do not list hours, prices, directory listings or the like. Additionally we're not a collection of external links. Bus timetables? Unencyclopaedic. Parking charges? Unencyclopaedic. ] ] 20:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I left the eGates in, as far as I know. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 22:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)


== Tinnahinch(barony) ==
I just spotted that you've removed a bunch of ] reviews from several restaurant articles - you know that he's a well known critic, right? He's been on television quite a bit (although it's been a while since I last saw him) as a critic on Masterchef in the UK. Sorry - I didn't want to run around and reverse your edits. ] (]) 19:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
:If you are talking about Master chef Professional: three times in all seasons. By far not enough to make him an important critic. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:42, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
::I trimmed that article some more. ] (]) 22:25, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


I have reverted your edit on ] as you did not leave an edit summary or give a reason for the romoval of such a substantial portion of the article. ] (]) 18:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
== Suggest deletion of sub committee pages for ISO TC 37 ==
:Another sockpuppet, Budisgood? What a sad affair. ] for the next investigation. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 22:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::What?? ] (]) 18:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:::You are welcome... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Welcome for making a false accusation ] (]) 18:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::::You still haven't told me why you reverted the edit that's all that I wanted to know, you could very well have good reasoning for reverting it but you did not make that clear. ] (]) 18:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
:I simply asked for an explanation as to why you reverted an edit without giving an explanation ] (]) 18:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::Then the answer will be ]. But the sockpuppet investigation will give clear answers. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)


== Happy Holidays ==
You have suggested that the following pages should be deleted:
* ] (Principles and methods)
* ] (Terminographical and lexicographical working methods)
* ] (Translation, interpreting and related technology)
Your suggestion seems to be that the subject is not important. These pages are about the committees who develop important standards within the ISO organization. The standards deal with terminology, language resources, translating and interpreting. If there is something which should be added please suggest this. I am new to Misplaced Pages and am happy to take advice on improving these pages. However, they are important.
] (]) 06:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC)peterrey Peter Reynolds.
:Start with independent, reliable sources to prove these ''sub committees'' are notable. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 07:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


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I don't understand why you deleted all of my changes from the article. I just started editing articles for Misplaced Pages, so I'd really like to know and learn from this. Besides I'm absolutely sure that everything I wrote is true and based on solid facts.
Regards
] (]) 10:28, 27 June 2014
:My own head is also well stocked with facts that I'm absolutely sure are true. And, I venture to guess, The Banner's head is similarly full of facts that he/she is absolutely certain are true. Ditto for most people. What we are individually sure is true is what Misplaced Pages euphemistically terms "original research", and ]. Instead, we need ] for material that we add to articles. -- ] (]) 11:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome to join a discussion about the article ], at ]. -- ] (]) 10:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

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==VxWorks screenshot==
Why did you remove the screenshot for vxWorks?] (]) 15:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:Because it is a low quality picture with a huge size that conveys no real meaning of the software. The infobox is for important information. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I feel that it is useful and it is a valid line item in the OS infobox. I agree that it is too big (another editor made a change which made it that size. I feel that it is useful to show readers the screenshot like other OS articles do and therefore would like to keep it in but make it smaller. Thanks Rob] (]) 17:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Also unlike other windows-based screenshots, VxWork's emplys a text-based one with additional information such as CPU count and memory size. Thanks Rob] (]) 17:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I've made it smaller, and I think it looks much better. I could make it smaller still, but it might be more difficult to read the info on the screen. Thanks Rob] (]) 17:43, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:No matter what, in this state it does not belong in the infobox as it tells nothing important about the subject. I have by now also commented out all unsourced and not-independently sourced uses. (= hidden). This because the article starts to look like an advertisement. So, please: start sourcing and do that with reliable independent sources (= not the company webside of VxWorks or Wind River) <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I have done my best to find as much third party sources as I could. I also found some and used their material, then checked with the Wind River webpage only to find that the 3rd party was in error. I only sourced from WR when it was factual info, not on whether it was good or bad. Also most of the notable uses were there before I upgraded the page] (]) 18:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Note, the initial notable uses were mostly un-referenced. I did start to look for references for them, and can continue. I propose, as was the approach before, to include the list and ask for people to get references. That way we can employ more people to do the work. That message was there back in 2012.] (]) 18:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:Sorry, my friend. I could have deleted the stuff straight away because it is unsourced since 2012. This article seriously needs independent sources, but you better start looking for sources for the non-hidden parts.. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

What non-hidden parts. How do I find them to start working on them?] (]) 19:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:The text that you can read straight away. Like the sections features, hardware support, development environment, platform overview and history. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:17, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry still not clear what you mean by "The text that you can read straight away". Di you mark what content needs to be cited? Do you mean where I had a Wind River reference I need to use a 3rd party? Does this include old content done by others from years ago?Rob] (]) 19:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:# What need to be cited, is almost the whole article
:# Yes, when possible replace Wind River-sources by independent third party sources.
:# Yes, in fact is does. But I suggest to start with your own work. While working on that, you might find useful sources for other parts. But remember: it is not necessary to reference every sentence. Just reference the most important facts.
:# And in fact you are an innocent victim here, bearing the brunt of sloppy work of others. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:30, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I was using the existing page as an example of the style and content. This could take some time. Shall I start with finding more 3rd party references to replace the Wind River documents? One problem is since this is an OS, it is not often mentioned. I did get some references for the medical and put them in. Is it OK to use Wind River press releases? How shall I proceed? Is there some time pressure? I would like to get the page up to scratch but I am not sure if I am up for a complete re-write including all old contributors. Your advice would be appreciated. Rob] (]) 20:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:No, there is no time pressure but it should be done in a reasonable time frame (and a year or more is too long). You better read ] for some background about sources. Press releases are not suitable sources. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Good I was thinking weeks but I feared days. The weather is getting v nice and one cannot waste Canadian summers. Shall I regularly check-in? Certainly for my first edits, I would like your feedback. Is it OK to cite wind river sources too? I'll read the wiki info you suggested. Thanks Rob] (]) 20:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:LOL, Canadian. Your name sounds rather Dutch. {{smiley}} As Dutchman abroad I enjoy a real Irish summer. Company sources are not really favoured, so when you can find an alternative... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

My daughter married a Dutchman and they are about to have their first child, so it sort of makes me Dutch? And I have spent some time in Holland years ago reaping the benefits of our part in WWII. I am part Scot & Irish though never been to Ireland just Scotland. One further question before I head out to enjoy what is left of the day. Can I use a WR document available publically, such as a Product Note, which lists features? Thanks Rob] (]) 21:55, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
:Your countrymen liberated the city were I used to live, so I am well aware of the Canadian war effort. It was a fierce fight before they had liberated Groningen.
:You can use it when there are no alternatives. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 22:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I was going through the WR customer page where the company lists each product that uses VxWorks. Besides a description of the product, there is either one or all of the following for each product: 1) WR press release. 2) link to customer testimonial or article about using VxWorks (minority). 3) Link to company webpage. I expect that 2) is ok as a reference, but 1) and 3) are not sufficient. Would there be a better chance of getting the list referenced by making it visible and asking for referencing help, giving it a couple of months? In the meantime, I'll start working on it.

By the way, what town are you from in Holland? Regards Rob ] (]) 05:03, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Clarification SVP: Under "Biased or Opinionated Sources" of Identifying Reliable Sources", it seems to state that a biased source could be used if it is reliable and depending on the context. Would that not be the case for listing features or product lists that use VxWorks as Wind River is THE reliable source and does fact checking? I agree it would not be suitable when stating opinions on how well the features function or how happy the customers were but it is the reliable source for these primary facts. I am trying to find information about using press releases in "Identifying Reliable Sources". It talks about reliable news services and opinion pieces which I don't think falls into the category of Wind River press release as in those they are not stating opinions just reporting a fact. Your guidance is appreciated. Thanks Rob ] (]) 12:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:Groningen
:: My son-in-law's family is from Bennekom] (]) 15:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:Press releases are by their nature not neutral but to promote the subject of the press release. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:27, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:: Does the context make a difference: factual information vs opinion?] (]) 15:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I have been successful finding new references for the body of the article and will keep looking. But the notable uses search is a daunting task to complete on my own. I gather you feel that it would not be warranted to make the un-referenced ones visible, with an appropriate message for a few months, to encourage readers to add references? Thanks Rob] (]) 15:58, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:Do you think that will help? The request for sources was from 2012... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
:: It doesn't seem like the most effective strategy. The last notice didn't exactly cause a rush to cite, and I can't think of a re-wording that would get VxWorks' customers to create a valid reference besides "Limited notable use spaces available, act now before they are all gone!" Rob] (]) 19:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I am making referencing progress for the body of the report as well as the notable uses. I will be taling some vacation and will be away from Internet access off and on for the next 2 months. I wouldn't mind trying re-listing the call for referencing notable uses for a period of time to see what happens. What do you think? Rob] (]) 13:58, 4 July 2014 (UTC)


Also it would be more efficient for me to update the references if they were visible. Thanks Rob] (]) 13:51, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

... and I am confident that there are 3rd party references for most of the items. It will just take time. Rob] (]) 15:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

== BrandZ ==

Could you please explain why you removed the historical BrandZ Top 100 lists? I know you stated 'it looks that they are not copyright free' but they are in the public domain, surely?

] (]) 13:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:Can you prove that? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:25, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

They are readily available online from a variety of secondary & tertiary sources; for example here on the Financial Times http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/d8ea4e6e-da79-11e3-a448-00144feabdc0.html#axzz36OgN2G6t ] (]) 09:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:The point is that ''you'' have to prove that they are copyright free and fit for reuse. Unless that is specifically stated, you must assume that it is covered by copyright. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 10:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Right, okay, could you point me in the direction of the wikipedia policies about this, so I know what I need in order to prove they can be reused and reposted here? Many Thanks ] (]) 12:50, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

== Excessive details ==
In the article ] I reorganized and simplify excessive detail sections and will keep working on this aspect further. Who can remove "overly detailed" template from that page? Thanks.
Pradeepwb 17:24, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
:You make good progress but more work needed. So I leave the tag. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 17:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

== Pressure ==

Banner, seriously, time to take it off your watchlist. Thanks. ] (]) 03:41, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Refused, unless when you can prove that advertising is now allowed on Misplaced Pages. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 09:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::No, that's not the correct answer. It is not advertising, unless you can prove that Blofeld is on the take. Also, Blofeld is not a boy. Also, Ernst, "sociopathy" is not an acceptable term to throw around. Sheesh you two. Banner, I would have thought you would choose the better path. ] (]) 13:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::At least I tried something to get out of this misery. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 13:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
* Hello "The Banner". I am asking you to heed Drmies' recommendation above. Are you willing to do so? --] (]) 20:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:See my prior answer. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

voting delete on a closed/withdrawn nomination?? You're lucky HJ isn't active because you should have been blocked again for your behaviour over the past few weeks.♦ ] 11:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Ah, Blofeld-boy, stop kidding. You were responding there too after closing. I hope you don't mind that after your selective removing, I took the liberty to remove your comments too. Including this . <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::It doesn't matter, I've addressed him on his talk page. Are there no limits to your sociopathy?♦ ] 11:26, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::You are describing yourself? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:34, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

==Peace initiative==
I don't like the way things are going, way to stressy. I suggest to introduce a voluntary interaction ban between the five of us. That means: ], ], ] and ] on one side and me on the other side. In this case, and I do not know if this is a common approach, it would mean not editing an article that is edited less than two week (or a month?) ago by one of the parties involved or on the talkpage of one of the parties. (Exception: AfD's of articles written by one of the parties.) Can everybody agree to that? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:34, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

If you were a perfectly decent human being capable of interacting with other editors and accepting of discussion and consensus an interaction ban would not be necessary. In your case I agree it would be best INCLUDING AFDs as you seem to take everything as a tit for tat and make everything personal. If you'd simply accepted my good faith editing in the first place this wouldn't have blown up again. There was absolutely no need for you to vote delete on a closed nomination. It was immensely disrespectful and downright malicious, fuelled by little but the fact that you think you've been bullied into having an article merged even though I went to some lengths to encourage expansion of it. I really think a full 100% don't touch my article I won't touch yours thing would be a decent solution, not just a few weeks but permanently for articles primarily written by either of us as you're quite incapable of amicable discussion and operation around us. If your restaurant stubs need copyediting and improvement then so be it.♦ ] 11:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Do you have a positive approach available? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::You've made it perfectly clear that you're unable to interact in a positive fashion. I've made many efforts to try to get on the level with you and each time you reject them. Well not again, I and the others have had it up to here with your petty behaviour.♦ ] 11:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::The plain fact that you need so many personal attacks shows that the communication problem is not mine but yours. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::If I was going to resort to personal attacks I'd have honestly called you something which I'm sure Drmies has witnessed on other pages on wikipedia.♦ ] 12:23, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm, I call already a personal attack. Start behaving polite and we have made a giant step forward. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:28, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Start ''behaving'' like a decent human being and it would be reciprocated. How you are treated on wikipedia is a mirror image of how you treat others.♦ ] 12:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:You are unable to act polite? <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:40, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Start ''behaving'' like a decent human being and it would be reciprocated. How you are treated on wikipedia is a mirror image of how you treat others. What other reasoning would you have for gate crashing a closed AFD on one of the most high profile night clubs in London, the sort of article you don't work on, and voting delete other than malicious intent and "revenge" for some perceived injustice you think you've faced. Am I to really believe you did it in good faith, in wikipedia's best interests? Pull the other one. Am I to be polite to you for doing that? Take a long hard look at yourself Banner. As I say it all came down to your initial response, and that was a very negative one overall. Enough said, please keep away from my articles and affairs and vice versa. You're a time sink on here, it feels like I'm in a barren no man's land here which I really don't want to be a part of. This is my last post here. Sometime in the future I forsee that you'll be blocked again as you're incompatible with working in a community environment.♦ ] 12:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:You know exactly how it should be done, but you don't act like it yourself.
:But I stay away from your articles the same way you stay away from my articles. I hope you can persuade the other three to do the same. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::They are not '''your''' articles. I shall edit where I pissing well like! ]] 18:42, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::What I suggest is this: ''In this case, and I do not know if this is a common approach, it would mean not editing an article that is edited less than two week (or a month?) ago by one of the parties involved or on the talkpage of one of the parties. (Exception: AfD's of articles written by one of the parties.)'' Indeed, I do not own the articles I write, the same as you don't own any articles you have written, ]. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:47, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::When have I ever claimed ownership over any of "my" articles? Thank fuck I have the likes of you to tell me otherwise! ]] 18:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::You suggested that I claim ownership of articles with your remark "They are not '''your''' articles". But this is a peace initiative, so I hope you agree with this. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::Did you not say "but I stay away from your articles the same way you stay away from my articles"? ]] 19:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::::As Dr. Blofeld stated earlier: ''I really think a full 100% don't touch my article I won't touch yours thing would be a decent solution, not just a few weeks but permanently for articles primarily written by either of us (...)'' <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
{{od}}
I'm bored of you, go away ]] 19:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:For your info: you are on my talk page. But you make it load and clear that you are not interested in a peace initiative. Sorry to hear that. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

== Multi sensory cooking ==

Fair enough if others are doing it, just seemed a bit much to call him a "pioneer of an approach to cuisine" when the vaguely-specified source seems to be him talking about his own work in one of his cookbooks. I'll redirect ] to ] if it's not just Blumenthal doing it. --] (]) 11:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:Hmmm, I am not sure if that is the same. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
::Well, the gastronomy page says "Some chefs associated with the term choose to reject its use, preferring other terms such as multi sensory cooking, modernist cuisine, culinary physics, and experimental cuisine." and other senses are mentioned in the article body - perhaps that's worth expanding on? --] (]) 11:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Possible, but makes me doubt. I assume multi sensory cooking is wider than just molecular gastronomy. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

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== https://en.wikipedia.org/VirusTotal ==

Not nice, if I update the engines at https://en.wikipedia.org/VirusTotal and after that you remove everything! -] (]) 12:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

:Please compare with this older version:<br />
https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=VirusTotal&diff=616079990&oldid=615454043<br />
Sorry, I have undo your delete.<br />
-] (]) 12:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
::No problem. Now listed on AfD as advertising. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 13:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

:::I make no advertisements, I have no connection to Google and I don't get paid for working on Misplaced Pages, but I don't like, if I spend time to update content and somebody else delete it after that again. Sorry! -] (]) 15:20, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

== Broadway Video ==

Mr. Banner,
Thanks for your attention to the Broadway Video article. I see that you "restored maintenance templates as problems are not solved." I was planning to take a stab at the disambiguation problem and would welcome any suggestions on how to solve that. As for the advert-tag, I see that another editor, Stockholm6, removed it, explaining "there's nothing here that looks like ad-speak, and it's very thoroughly cited. I think the ad tag is a holdover from a much older version of the page that doesn't resemble the current iteration." In fact, I sought to improve the article because of an advert-tag attached in 2013 to a version that was patently promotional. I attempted to re-write in a neutral tone. What problems do you regard as unresolved? I see that you removed a reference to the company's work for Jeep, to which I attached a link to the commercial. Would you be more comfortable with a citation linked
to an Autoweek article about the Jeep commercial? I.e.: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140331/CARNEWS01/140339965
] (]) 15:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
:To my opinion, the excessive use of external links in plain text and the excessive list of programs they were involved in makes the list promotional. There is no need to mention each and every thing that is distributed. And secondly, most social media, including Facebook, Linkedin and YouTube, are not considered reliable sources. So yes, better sources are needed. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

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:You have a good sense of humour. Needed a good laugh. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

== ] Nomination for Deletion ==

Would you consider closing the discussion on the consideration for the deletion of the page ]? I have made many revisions and invite you to examine the page again to see how it has changed. Most of the issues noted have been fixed, and the discussion on the ] are overwhelmingly in favor of keeping the page. If you still have problems with how the article is written, please let me know and I will try to fix them. Thank you for nominating it, however, as it allowed for the page to be improved greatly. ] (]) 16:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:No, I am not convinced. And yes, I know that there is a massive bias towards USA-subjects. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:56, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:Your original critique and reason for consideration for deletion was based on a quote by myself taken out of context, as I explained. I was referring to information such as the leadership that is not fully available anywhere except for the subject's website. Any content about the organization's activity has been removed, eliminating the need for secondary sources to support those activities. The article is now purely informative about the organization's basic information, which is evenly sourced from the website and secondary sources, as you can see if you visit the article. ] (]) 17:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:Additionally, simply saying that "there is a massive bias toward USA-Subjects" is ignoring the evidence that the supporters left on the ]; this subject is similar and modeled after organizations related to it such as ], which is similarly notable. ] (])
::Come on, my friend, I can understand that you are up set. It is not nice for a marketing trainee/intern to get hammered on his/her first assignment. Find yourself some reliable, third-party sources about the organisation itself. Not about activities. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:What sources are you referring to that are not reliable, or that are not about the organization itself? Are we reading the same article? I will outline it for you: the History section is purely about the organization itself, not the activities; the History section is purely about the organization itself, not the activities; the Objectives and Activities section is about the organization's mission, and includes one piece of information about a single activity, for which there is a reliable source; the Congressional Study Groups Section is about a department within the organization; the Funding section talks about how the organization pays for its programming; and the Leadership section lists the leadership of the organization (obviously). Where in these sections is there an issue with having too much information about the activities, and not about the organization itself? Any mention of activities (I can find two) are only included because they are integral to the mission of the organization, as it is a programming organization. Please look at the article in context and see that there is no issue here. ] (]) 18:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::Source number 1, 2, 4, 9, 11 and 12 are all links to the website of the organisation itself. As a start... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 18:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::Yes, I realize this. I have explained numerous times that the information cited cannot be found anywhere else, and I included the link to ] as an example of a similar organization that does this as well and is not at threat of being deleted. Anyways, this was not the issue you cited; you suggested that the article was not notable enough to be a stand-alone article. Also, your last complaint was that the sources support the organization's activities as opposed to the organization itself. With your last response it is clear that you cannot support either point, so please remove the tag for deletion. ] (]) 18:56, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Also, as you have demonstrated by your inability to prove that the subject is not notable (please see the deletion page where other users came to the page's defense), I recommend that since your new problem with the article is that the sources are inadequate, you replace the deletion tag with a {{primary sources|date=July 2014}} tag, as it is actually relevant to the corrections you see as needed. ] (])
::::aha, you get personal. Try to get some neutral sources instead. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::I am not getting personal? I was just pointing out that your tag is not relevant, and is unproductive. You have thus far been unable to support your original claim, so it makes more sense for you to change the deletion tag to a source tag. And it would be helpful if you could be at least a bit less completely vague with your recommendations. ] (]) 19:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::::These tag are not mine. So somebody else think that your conflict of interest and your related sources are problematic. And I am not vague: just supply reliable, independent sources to prove the organisation is notable. And read ]. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::I was referring to your nomination for deletion of the page, not the tags on the article (i.e. COI or associated sources). This is not about those tags, it's about ending the discussion on deletion. Also, some consistency would be nice. Please explain to me why the ] I have cited is not at threat for deletion, when this article is, even though they both pull basic information from the associated website? (This is not an invitation to consider deleting that page as well) Additionally, being a neutral party yourself, I would like to see you find a "neutral source" for such information as a complete list of the organization's leadership, or for the organization's OFFICIAL mission statement. ] (]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned"> — Preceding ] comment added 19:18, 10 July 2014 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::For starters, because every article is judged on its own merits. There is no need and no effect when you compare it with other articles (except that those articles often also get AfD'ed). <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:27, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::That does not change the fact that you have no grounds for labeling it as considered for deletion. And because the organizations are so similar, you are wrong in saying that they are not comparable. I am simply asking that you redefine your criticism as a tag rather than a nomination for deletion. ] (]) 19:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::::Please read ]. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::How is this relevant? My intentions are none of those, and I am not paid for this... Nor is it promotional. It is purely informational, as you would be able to tell if you read the article. ] (]) 19:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
The bottom line here is that you are arguing a position out of the scope of criteria for deletion, so that discussion should be closed. I invite you to tag the article as relying too heavily on primary sources. It is irritating that you continue to evade any discussion of this point, and move on to something irrelevant. After reading your talk page, it is clear that you have a history of bullying articles well beyond necessity, and I ask you to please stop in this case, considering that you appear not to have the support or the evidence for such action. ] (]) 20:08, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::::You are clearly a staff member. And the article ''is'' promoting the organisation by using its own sources and not being based on reliable, third-party sources. You are not impartial, my friend. You look at it from the viewpoint of the organisation and you reflect their views. Sorry.
::::And there is absolutely no reason to get personal. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:14, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

::::I am not a staff member. The article conveys basic information about the organization, what views could possibly be reflected? ] (]) 20:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
::::And even if it was written with bias, that is still not grounds for deletion. You can critique the article all you want, but you have no grounds for deletion. Therefore, close that discussion. You are being unreasonable. ] (]) 20:24, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:::::My friend, it is your own name that makes it load and clear that you are a staff member. And you call it bullying but I am just straight. And in my opinion you are too involved to be neutral. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 20:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
It is very interesting that, instead of arguing the reason for deletion on that page, you labeled our discussion here as me "bullying" you. I have not done this, I have tried to show you that your claim is not valid and that you should redirect your criticisms to a different process, such as a primary source tag. How is this "bullying"? As I stated, it is frustrating when I am trying to discuss this with you and all you respond with is a completely separate topic. ] (]) 21:15, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:You were already accusing my of bullying, doubting my abilities, and hammering that I would retract the AfD and replace it by a tag. That is, in my opinion, bullying. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 21:20, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I am forced to "hammer" when you refuse to discuss the deletion at all, I am correct in recommending that you change the nomination to a tag, and I referred to you previously bullying because of the above posts where they suggest a strange degree of harassment on a certain article. ] (]) 21:22, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:So, because you have no arguments, you just start hammering and bullying. Absolutely great argument... NOT. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 21:41, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
How do I have "no arguments"? You are taking everything I say out of context. I said I have to "hammer" because you refuse to discuss the nomination because YOU have no arguments, which is evident by this whole discussion. ] (]) 22:30, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
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If you intend to argue notability, please do so; but as of yet you have only argued sources and COI, which are not grounds for deletion. ] (]) 22:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
:Nope, of course you will not see any reason for deletion, mr. CompanyIntern. Becasue that will become a bad mark on your status sheet. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Ok, you're not making any sense now, and you're just being rude. If you're just going to hold this nomination over my head because you can, without any evidence, then I am going to report you. Fair warning. ] (]) 00:06, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
: {{tps}} ], ''you'' are the one being rude. Banner was wholly within their authority as an editor to nominate and make arguments for deletion. Your job was NOT to harass them about their choice to do so, and to CLEARLY make your single, policy-based argument on the AFD discussion, and nowhere else. However, understand full well that even the Founder of Misplaced Pages has stated "those with COI should never directly edit their article, but ONLY propose properly-sourced changes on the talkpage to try and obtain consensus". Sources, by the way, quite obviously ARE a reason for deletion: unsourced, or articles that have primary sources ''are unacceptable''. Now, your username violates our ], you're violating COI, and now you're harassing someone for do what they're supposed to do ... doesn't the Organization you work for have any ''ethics''? <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 00:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
::They were within their authority to nominate it, but during this discussion they chose to argue points irrelevant to the nomination. And on the nomination page the evidence has built up that the claim of the subject not being notable. As far as primary sources being grounds for deletion, where are you getting your information? Nowhere in the 14 points of the reasons for deletion in the ] does it say that primary sources are grounds for deletion. I did not know about that part of the username policy, and I do not plan on contributing to the article in the future because of that, only submitting recommendations on the talk page as suggested in the guidelines; thank you for directing my attention to that. Specifically, the ] states that it is "strongly discouraged" to work on an article that you may be affiliated with, and I intend to respect that in the future. However currently The Banner's nomination for deletion is disrupting the project, as there are many users who have supported the page, and only The Banner and one other user who have decided that the subject is not notable enough, which to me seems unreasonable. Lastly, although it looks like "harassment" to you, I have been persistent in this discussion because The Banner refuses to answer any of my questions directly or be productive in their recommendations; this is frustrating, and I admit that my tone became heated, but it was only because they refused to cooperate. I consider snide comments that are counterproductive as rude. ] (]) 00:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)
::: You're right, your snide comments that are counterproductive are as you say "extremely rude" and uncooperative. If I had personally been badgered by you like this, I would have closed the thread long before and take you to ] (because blocking you myself might have been considered "rude"). To call their nomination "disruptive to the project" shows you have very little understanding about the project .. and ] is very clear about the use of '''reliable''' sources (which ] are not). Let the discussion fulfill its 7 day mandate...I haven't decided whether to !vote, or wait and close it myself (I haven't read either the article or the AFD enough to have decided yet, so I'm not really ]) <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">]</span></small> 00:40, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

For what it is worth, I apologize for my behavior here. I misunderstood Wiki policies, or did not understand them enough, and therefore was in the wrong. I will no longer edit the AfD page, nor contact you. I respect that you saw an article which was violating Wiki policies and did what you were supposed to do. Please forgive my rash behavior. ] (]) 03:13, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

==What links here==
I'm sorry, I genuinely am trying to catch the templates in "what links here". It is not always easy as "What links here" takes time to update". , . It evidently isn't deliberate but not seeing all of them. I will try and do better. Is there a tool I can download that shows which templates are misdirecting to dabs? ] (]) 23:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
:With a page move you always get the option to check what links there. So it is just a case of hitting "what links here". <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 00:21, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
::There's no tool, okay, understood, thank you. Then why does it take so long to update? Obviously the smart thing to do is catch the templates first, sorry to miss those, but then after catching them the list is still showing the templates as linking after the correction. I reload the what links here and the ones I've fixed are still there. ] (]) 00:36, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
:::This is the one you should look for: ''Check what links here to see whether the move has created any double redirects, and fix the most serious ones. A bot will fix the rest later on. You can use the following text to replace older redirects''. In fact, it also shows the links to templates. But true, a specific tool is not there. It is plain handy work but it has to be done. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 00:41, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
::::Okay, thanks. I agree/know it has to be done, I don't intend you or anyone else to do it. If you see me missing stuff again buzz me please. ] (]) 02:08, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

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== Maccas Awards/RS lists ==

Refering to reverting ]: In what way is the list of the 100 best Beatles songs not an award compared to the other RS lists mentioned in the article? ] (]) 12:28, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
:fixed and removed <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 12:42, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
::Wait, I meant to do the opposite: Why did you remove that? It is in a way an award: Since the Rolling Stones lists are voted by people from the music industry (producers, record company people, musicians, journalists and in some cases RS readers), it should be considered an award in my opinion. Especially of course the lists about the greatest singers, artists and songs. We can argue about the list of best Beatles songs, but the others are definitely awards in a way similar to MTV awards, Q Magazine awards or NME awards. ] (]) 15:41, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

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== M. S. Viswanathan Discography==
Referring to reverting ], the source for the edit was imdb. The current credits had no source and it combined the discography of ]. So, I was editing and making it as a good readable format. The current does not show what language and which year released.
:Conform ]: ''Anyone can create a personal web page or publish their own book, and also claim to be an expert in a certain field. For that reason self-published media—whether books, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, blogs, personal pages on social networking sites, Internet forum postings, or tweets—are largely not acceptable. This includes any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database (IMDB), CBDB.com, content farms, collaboratively created websites such as wikis, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users.'' And secondly, an external link is not a source. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:08, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

:Which one will be considered as source of information?. I have seen most of the movies in wikipedia relies on imdb. most of the movies was in 1950s-1990s, so no reliable source found anywhere. So, the above will not be completed ever.
::To begin with: It is not necessary to have sources in English or in Western script. Other languages and scripts are also allowed. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 23:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
:::Edited the webpage with references from Official website.
::::Please read ]. What Misplaced Pages needs are ''independent'', reliable sources. So no social media and not the personal/company website. Sorry. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 19:51, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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== Advice on tackling MEDRS stranglehold you speak of ==


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Hey Banner! I noticed you spoke out against an editor getting topic banned and wanted to see if I could get your input on something. A few of us have been posting on ]. Ultimately, we know MEDRS is a guideline and not a policy, such as NPOV, and with that in mind we feel there are many "reliable sources" which are biased once you delve deep enough into them. It's a complex topic, and if you're interested you can absolutely take a gander. But I was curious if you had any advice as to how we might proceed, given that an editor was just topic banned there for what seems to be petty crimes. I've been watching the acupuncture talk page and it doesn't seem like many editors would have a welcoming response to our argument. In your judgement, is there a better way of proceeding in our quest to rid those topics from the MEDRS stranglehold of which you speak? ] (]) 13:39, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
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:It will be a Herculean task because you have to break the power not only of the MEDRS-guys but in fact of the Big Money medical and pharmaceutical industry that monopolizes health. And the classic credo applies here: who pays the piper, calls the tune. At the moment, I have no clue how to break that stranglehold. Just keep poking, keep arguing, keep asking difficult question, drive them nuts, keep adding reliable sources. One the day Big Money will fall apart, but it can take many years... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 16:51, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
::Thank you Banner! I guess I'll just press on, but now with more gusto! I'm always glad to find kindred spirits, so if you ever need my help with anything please let me know! ] (]) 23:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
::: You wrote: ''"...there are many "reliable sources" which are biased once you delve deep enough into them."'' Of course there are, and that is no reason not to use them. Pretty much all sources have biases, and there is no policy here which forbids using biased sources. Misplaced Pages would be very small and totally boring if we only used "unbiased" sources, because there aren't many of them. We would also totally fail our goal, which is to document the sum total of human knowledge, and that includes biases. -- ] (]) 04:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::::The creepy thing is that MEDRS itself is systematically biased. That would not be much of a problem when they kept themselves to medical articles. But they have extended their control to every article that makes health claims, including chemical analyse. They absolutely fail to see that for instance ] and ] have far more to do with agriculture than with the medical world. They systematically reject agricultural sources for every positive thing about organic with the excuses that it is not described in ''their sources''. That is not so strange, as it is another field of knowledge. Even agricultural universities are not reliable enough to judge about organic farming... <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 04:29, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::::: I'm not sure what you mean about it being "systematically biased". You say that as if being biased is ''always'' a bad thing, but it's not. Proper biases are essential to avoid ]. One should lean more one way than the other in life, and one should always follow the (quality) evidence, even when that means one must start leaning the other way, IOW changing positions is important when its necessary to do so.
::::: Keep in mind that MEDRS does not control all information in an article, only the health claims, regardless of the type of article. Even health and science articles will contain information which is not controlled by MEDRS. -- ] (]) 05:31, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::::::In that case, you should review the use of the MEDRS argument on ] and ]. Almost every positive statement is blocked because it is not published in MEDRS sources, even non-health claims as a chemical analyse. Agricultural sources, even when coming from well known universities, are systematically blocked out. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 08:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


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@The Banner..difficult questions? bring 'em on...reliable sources? sure...but "poking" and "driving them nuts"....errr...]. cheers, ] (] '''·''' ]) 06:33, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
:When necessary to break the stranglehold, yes. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 08:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


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:It looks you guys are worried after all, seeing the way you guys are showing up here. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 08:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::Misplaced Pages sometimes relies on you applying the ''paranoid principle'', seeing as otherwise decisions can be made without you even getting to know about them. I'm here because I get scared by the obvious lack of understanding of what evidence-based medical knowledge is.
::Your examples on organic farming illustrate a perfect point: just because you presume it is healthier does not mean eating organic will lead to health benefits. We need to report true pure evidence, not inference by lay persons. Biology is messy, and holds very poorly to reasoning. It might give you an idea of what to study as a researcher or professional, but it shouldn't and can't be used to give health advice. I suggest you go read ] -- ] ] (]) 09:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
:::I do not presume it is healthier, as you claimed. I said that it is nonsense to use medical sources on a agricultural subject. <span style="border:1px solid green; padding:0 2px">]&nbsp;]</span> 11:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC) <small>P.S. I love the panic... {{smiley}} </small>
::::I'm new to this debate, however there seems to be a pattern. Every time MEDRS is questioned there's a "hit squad" including BullRangifer/Brangifer (the ring leader? tenacious as a pit bulldog), QuackGuru (foot soldier, attack dog), Jmh649/Doc James(admin/doctor "the reputable one"), MrBill3 (admin/watchdog/prosecutor) and others hone in an any and all debates and quickly form a false consensus regarding this debate. If a user who pushes this issue too far this group begins to threaten that user with blocks and bans. This is not how Misplaced Pages is supposed to work, is it? ] (]) 12:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
::::This IP user from UK apparently has no problems logging out and making unambiguous threats to try to shut down the conversation.] (]) 13:14, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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Seasonal RHI-ORD

Good morning. Please locate the news of RHI-ORD seasonal United Express service on the opening page of flyrhinelander.com web site, and note the source as required for addition within UALs page. Thanks. Have an even better than expected day. ~~ AirOpsExecnPlt (talk) 15:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:AIRPORT-CONTENT, connections need to be sourced by independent sources. The airport itself or the airline involved are obviously not independent sources. Sorry. The Banner talk 16:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Reverting Belgrade Airport

Sorry, but I added details about available parkings (distances, prices, etc), bus lines (with timetables and routes), and passage about new passport eGates. And you say that it is not an improvement?! All my additions were cited properly! PikiLuka (talk) 19:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I call it advertising. The Banner talk 19:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
Advertising? What is there advertised? It is only service data relevant for passengers.
All of the listed parkings are legal parkings under control of the airport itself (private parkings around airport were not mentioned). So where is advertising there?
All of the listed bus routes are legal bus routes. Provided were links to exact routes and timetables. Where is advertising there?
And what about eGates passport booths? What is wrong with that since you reverted that as well? It is an official information - eGates are available starting today. PikiLuka (talk) 19:34, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
We're an encyclopaedia, not a travel guide. We do not list hours, prices, directory listings or the like. Additionally we're not a collection of external links. Bus timetables? Unencyclopaedic. Parking charges? Unencyclopaedic. Canterbury Tail talk 20:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
I left the eGates in, as far as I know. The Banner talk 22:38, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Tinnahinch(barony)

I have reverted your edit on Tinnahinch (barony) as you did not leave an edit summary or give a reason for the romoval of such a substantial portion of the article. Grootwillrise (talk) 18:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Another sockpuppet, Budisgood? What a sad affair. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Budisgood for the next investigation. The Banner talk 22:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
What?? Grootwillrise (talk) 18:42, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
You are welcome... The Banner talk 18:43, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Welcome for making a false accusation Grootwillrise (talk) 18:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
You still haven't told me why you reverted the edit that's all that I wanted to know, you could very well have good reasoning for reverting it but you did not make that clear. Grootwillrise (talk) 18:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
I simply asked for an explanation as to why you reverted an edit without giving an explanation Grootwillrise (talk) 18:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
Then the answer will be WP:DENY. But the sockpuppet investigation will give clear answers. The Banner talk 18:54, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

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