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== July 2015 == | ||
| <div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px"> ] You have been ''']''' from editing for a period of '''72 hours''' for edit warring, including violating the ], and disruption at ]. This time I'm going straight to a block, as I feel I've warned you enough and to spare in the past. Of course you know what edit warring is; you've been sanctioned for it before. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to ]. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by first reading the ], then adding the following text below this notice: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}. ] | ] 09:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block --> | |||
| Hi, | |||
| *Hi Kutsuit. You should have refrained from making so many reverts at ] and breaking the ] rule. The map you added was not informative because it didn't show locations of many languages for example Kurdish. Neither did it show the separate IE branches. It was very very disruptive. Anyway hope that you will come back and when you do, don't make more disruptive edits or remove Kurdish from maps. Regards, ] (]) 10:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| I have revoked talk page access from your account, and extended the block for another two weeks, based on the personal attacks towards the blocking admin. Which I have since removed. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 11:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| I just want to clarify what I said. Only current EU members cover all the requirements that are needed to be within this group. For example, most of these issues like human rights (minority rights), rule of law, etc. are the hot topics with most of these prospective countries. Therefore, only when they cover and close all the negotiation chapters for EU accession then we can add them as part of this section. | |||
| *Because you have been abusing multiple accounts to continue making personal attacks, I have converted your block to an indefinite one; the block is a checkuser block, so administrators may not lift it without the agreement and review by another checkuser. ] (]) 03:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| On Huntington, in his work he saw Latin America as a third part of Western world or akin to it. | |||
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| I think I am clear now. | |||
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| ] (]) 17:14, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :Regarding Huntington's views, that's precisely why your reverts were baffling. The wording in your reverted version made Latin America sound like another group altogether, which isn't what Huntington said in his book, as he clearly considered Latin America (especially some of the South American nations) as either part of the West or in the process of becoming part of the West, and he held similar views regarding Turkey. That's why, if you check the wording in your reverted version, you'd realize that it was less accurate than in the current version. <br>Regarding the EU map, I can move it to the bottom of the page and put it with the other images in the gallery section, if you want. And I can move the other EU/EUFTA map and put it in its place. ] (]) 17:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| I am OK with this idea: The EU/EUFTA map within the section "Modern political" and the EU enlargement map within section "Maps". | |||
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| Huntington saw Turkey as an example of "torn country" (together with Mexico) but the rest of Latin American countries were seen under different label (as a third part of Western world or akin to it), which is different from "torn country". | |||
| ] (]) 17:35, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :He also considered Australia to be a torn country. Anyway, I'll adjust the wording there, but please undo your revert as you violated the 3RR policy of Misplaced Pages and it could lead to your account getting blocked. I don't want it to get to that stage so please undo your recent changes and let me adjust the article according to what I proposed. ] (]) 17:38, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| I already made the changes based on our consensus. What I need to revert? Go ahead and make the changes. btw I am new here and do not know all the rules and requirements. | |||
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| ] (]) 18:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Turkish speakers in Europe == | |||
| Regarding to ], could you please tell me where on Ethnologue it claims that there are 70 million Turkish speakers in Europe? I couldn't find any reference to this myself, though even if I did I'd find it extremely hard to believe. —] (]) 15:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Oh, I think I know what's causing the confusion. If you consider the political boundaries of Europe, then there are over 70 million Turkish-speakers, most of whom live in Turkey. That's how the table is set up, judging by the other figures (e.g. the speakers of Russian and other languages). ] (]) 16:39, 18 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::I'm not sure I follow you. Europe is a geographical entity, and as such has no political boundary. Ethnologue's 70 million figure for Turkish is for the global Turkish-speaking population, and thus includes both the European and Asian part of bicontinental countries such as Turkey, not to mention a significant number of indigenous speakers elsewhere in Asia and Turkish diaspora on other continents. It therefore makes no sense to record this figure in a table whose stated purpose is to show "the number of speakers of a given European language in Europe only". The same goes for many other languages in the table, including Russian and Kazakh. —] (]) 08:09, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Europe has many definitions, including political definitions, and Turkish is just as European a language as any other language spoken indigenously in Europe. Anyway, if you have the exact figure of the Turkish speakers in geographic Europe, by all means add the figure. Same goes for the other languages. Otherwise there's no harm having the figures of the speakers within the political boundaries. Do you have an exact figure of Turkish-speakers within the geographic boundaries of Europe? ] (]) 08:26, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Also bear in mind that Armenian would probably have to be removed as well, but I think consensus has already been established regarding languages of countries that are considered to be European for political or socio-cultural reasons. ] (]) 08:33, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::By the way, there are numerous sources that define Turkey, Cyprus, Armenia and similar countries as "European", and removing such content from the article might start an edit war in the future, so we might as well stick to what we have if every side is happy. ] (]) 08:38, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::I am not saying that Turkish or any other language should be removed from the list. I am saying that that certain numbers reported in the table, such as those for Turkish, should be removed because they include a significant number speakers that are not in Europe by ''any'' definition of the word. I do not have any figure for the number of Turkish speakers in the geographic area of Europe, nor for Turkish speakers in all countries considered to be "European" (including those whose geographic boundaries are partly or entirely outside the European continent). Pending provision of such information, it's better to remove the claim of 70 million, as providing no information is preferable to providing false information. —] (]) 11:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If you want, you can put 10-15 million, since that's an estimate of how many Turkish-speakers there are in geographic Europe. What about Russia, Armenia, Greek Cypriots, etc? ] (]) 11:22, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::By the way, I made the changes. Please let me know what you think. ] (]) 13:47, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Thanks, but where are you getting these estimates from? —] (]) 16:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::From here: <br> 1. ] <br> 2. ] <br> ] (]) 16:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::I don't see any linguistic data in those articles. I suspect whatever numbers you have produced ought to be excluded under the ] policy. —] (]) 07:52, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::If that's the case, we can simply restore the original figures, which were backed by Ethnologue. Make up your mind. ] (]) 08:54, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Please don't remove maintenance templates as you did with to ] without first fixing the problems described by the templates. There is currently an ongoing discussion at ] regarding the problems with the table. —] (]) 12:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == POV war == | |||
| Calling Azeri an Eastern European language is like calling Yupik an East Asian language. Technically true, but rather ridiculous to give as a primary definition. Deleting tags that your refs have failed verification is vandalism, and can get you blocked. — ] (]) 05:34, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Kwami, please don't be childish. The lede paragraph says that Azeri is spoken across parts of Eastern Europe and Western Asia, and the sources I provided verify that it is spoken in what is known as Eastern Europe, much to your dismay by the looks of it. Discuss the issue in the talk page of the article rather than causing disruptive editing all the time. ] (]) 05:40, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:Brunette == | |||
| Absolutely. :-) And of course I was there! ] (]) 11:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Yes, I have been once to Saudi Arabia, for work. But the place where we were was not very inviting...It was July, we had 50 C. in shadow. ] (]) 06:52, 20 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:You're supposed to assume good faith, Alex == | |||
| Hallo Kutsuit,</br> | |||
| sorry, I don`t agree: first of all, I think that you are doing your edits in perfect good faith: you are just trying to let pass your POV that some countries (Azerbaijan, Turkey) are a little bit more European than they are in reality, and you really believe it: there are several edits of you that points all in this direction. Now, at the moment there are three editors who all have the same problem with you, in three different article, about the same issue. This means that we have here a general problem, and I find just normal to discuss this problem all together. Canvassing, means to invite friendly, uninvolved users to support your views, but this is not the case: moreover, in that case I would have invited him to join this discussion with a mail, instead of writing a message just below a message of you, where you were waiting for an answer: this shows full transparency. Good morning :-) ] (]) 02:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == it is me again == | |||
| Hi again Nadya, ] and ] quite different in this case dont you think. AKP is frequently using religious and conservatist things to do things as you know (i assume you live in Turkey). <span style="color:#008000">] (<small>used to be KazekageTR</small>)</span> 17:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I changed it. You're right, center-right is a more accurate term than centrism. But I don't think we should add Islamism or neo-Ottomanism to the infobox since these ideologies have been officially denied/rejected by the party. Other political party pages avoid having disputed ideological classifications in the infobox. Actually, I don't live in Turkey. I'm from Kuwait. :-D ] (]) 18:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Re:I spotted another form of canvassing on your part, Alex == | |||
| Dear Kutsuit, you are continuing to misunderstand how thing works in Misplaced Pages: inviting openly (on their talk page) other users to join a discussion of mutual interest is not ]. The two users which I invited were already involved in similar discussions with you, and I find a place where to discuss all together the best that one can do. Moreover, the fact that three users with some experience like me, ] and ] have in different articles the same opinion about what you want to do shows only that you are going against Consensus. But you act as the driver who drives along an highway on the wrong side and call the police telling that there are thousands of cars coming from the wrong direction... :-) About the menace of reporting me to the admins if I do it again, I invite you to take a cold shower, count until 1000, calm down, and then read ]. :-) Bye, ] (]) 13:06, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==July 2014== | |||
| ] You have been blocked for 48 hours for edit warring and disruption on ]. Nadia, this block has been rather long coming; I've been on the verge of blocking you for ] several times. (My choice of 48 hours is after some hesitation; I wrote "72 hours" at first.) I'm afraid I remember rather vividly how you resisted explanations from experienced users when we spoke on ], (compare my edit summary to the linked edit), and your resistance to advice altogether, and I feel that this time I have to act. | |||
| I seem to keep saying this to you, to little effect, Nadia, but please edit more collaboratively when you return after the block. Don't edit war. Don't throw around accusations of "vandalism" and "disruptive editing" at the drop of a hat. Don't threaten people. Don't attack others just-in-passing, as you did re Kwamikagami on Alex's page recently. This is not a good road you're going down. | |||
| I can't see the consensus for your edits that you refer to on ]. Considering how many people have been reverting your edits, and have in turn been reverted by you alone, it seems a strange claim. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may ] by adding below this notice the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx|" code. -->{{tlx|unblock|2=reason=''Your reason here ~~~~''}}, but you should read the ] first. ] | ] 09:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC). | |||
| :{{ping|Bishonen}}, I will personally have you reported, alongside {{ping|Kwamikagami}} and {{ping|Alessandro57}}, to the administrators once the block is lifted. Your decision is rather pathetic and can be best described as biased. Unless you are deliberately closing your eyes, you will notice that I've been the only person trying to discuss the issues in the talk page of the Azerbaijani language article for the past one and a half months, and you will also see that consensus has been reached regarding the wording of the intro sentence, even with the user I've been originally in dispute with. But your bias against me has now become apparent and I will make it my effort from this day onward to see to it that you lose your administrator status as you have clearly abused it and handed out unfair and unbalanced decisions, not only against me but against other members too. This time I wont ignore it as you've crossed the line when it comes to your administrative duties. You need to explain to the other admins why you didn't equally block Alessandro57 for edit-warring, stalking, canvassing, personal attacks, false accusations, etc. This isn't the end of it, Bishonen, and you can take that to the bank. ] (]) 10:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Proposal to grill administrator Bishonen == | |||
| Hi there, {{ping|Volunteer Marek}}, I distinctly remember how user Bishonen was abusing his administrative powers against you a few months ago. Would you like to join me in notifying his biased/unbalanced behavior to the appropriate parties? ] (]) 11:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't recall them doing anything of the sort.] (]) 14:02, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::{{ping|Volunteer Marek}}, I'm mistaken about my earlier post. I recall you once told Bishonen to stop bullying a new Misplaced Pages user. His contradictory and one-sided actions need to be penalized and he should be put back in his box. ] (]) 14:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::Hello there, {{ping|Volunteer Marek}}. Just to let you know, tomorrow morning I will briefly mention your name in the administrators noticeboard and talk page of Jimmy Wales regarding the time that you told the administrator, Bishonen, to stop bullying a new Misplaced Pages user. It will be part of my argument to show the appropriate parties where the administrator in question has specifically abused the powers and responsibilities given to him. You wont be required to give your opinion but you're more than welcome to do so. Have a good night. :-) ] (]) 18:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Well, in that situation it was more like "threatening to potentially abuse admin powers", not actually abusing admin powers. You can mention me, of course, but I'm a bit wary of being misrepresented. Also, as a piece of advice, I don't think posting to Jimmy's talk page will have any effect (the guy's really too busy to deal with such matters), and if it does, it's likely not to be the effect you desire. I understand you're frustrated (honestly I haven't looked at closely at the locus of dispute) but taking a less-confrontational approach might work better here. Also, I believe Bishonen is a she.] (]) 20:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Input requested == | |||
| Hello Kutsuit, given your knowledgde and contributions on the ] article, I ask you to share your thoughts on several issues that are being finalized on in Azerbaijan discussion board. The subjects at hand are , the and the . As you know all the subjects are disputed by the new user Cyber-Policeman. Your input in these matters would be greatly appreciated. ] (]) 11:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Hello {{ping|Mursel}}, unfortunately I was unfairly blocked by a biased administrator (Bishonen) for apparently edit-warring in the ] article, even though I was the only member willing to discuss things in its talk page and even though I was restoring removed sourced content that mentioned Azerbaijani's linguistic presence in Eastern Europe, which was deliberately removed/vandalized by another editor who falsely accused me of having an agenda to Europeanize Azerbaijani. Unfortunately that's what you get in an open-source encyclopedia, as I'm sure you're already aware of. Once the stupid block is lifted, I'll gladly help you out. But be wary of abusive admins. Looks like the only way to get around this is to go straight to Jimbo Wales himself. ] (]) 11:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Ultimatum to Bishonen and a reminder to Alessandro57 and Kwamikagami == | |||
| {{ping|Bishonen}}, I am issuing you an ultimatum regarding your misuse of administrative powers. Should you decide, within the next 12 hours, to respectfully and graciously undo your biased action against me and inform your peers of your wrongdoing(s), I would be willing to ignore what you did and let bygones be bygones. If not, then I advise you to prepare yourself for a solid defense tomorrow as I'm inclined to take this issue to the administrators noticeboard and to the talk page of Jimmy Wales. ] (]) 18:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| To {{ping|Alessandro57}} and {{ping|Kwamikagami}}, you will be mentioned in the administrators noticeboard tomorrow morning to answer for your respective violations of Misplaced Pages policies, including but not limited to: failure to discuss content disputes in article talk pages, removal of sourced content, edit-warring, disruptive editing, canvassing, stalking, personal attacks and false accusations. This is only a heads-up to let you know about my intentions. I would have posted these notifications in your respective talk pages but obviously couldn't. I have done my job of notifying you and will not do so again. Good night and good luck tomorrow. ] (]) 18:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Please feel free to take your complaint to any forum of your choice. ] is probably the most relevant. What I don't understand is why, if you think the block so unfair, you haven't posted an unblock request per the instructions I posted in the block notice. As described in the ], which I also linked you to, the unblock request template would/will draw an uninvolved admin to this page to review the block. Well, unless it expires before they arrive. There's often a bit of a queue. ] | ] 18:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC). | |||
| ::{{ping|Bishonen}}, I have a life outside Misplaced Pages, therefore your failure to understand why I haven't filled an appeal form is irrelevant. In any case, prepare yourself for tomorrow -- or the day after, depending on how busy I am -- as you've got many things to answer. This isn't just about blocking me for "disruptive editing". You need to explain to the admins, and most likely to Jimmy Wales, why you haven't blocked the other two members for canvassing, personal attacks, false allegations, failure to discuss issues in the talk page for more than a month despite invitations to do so, and many other Misplaced Pages violations, such as removal of sourced content, stalking and (ironically) disruptive editing. You need to explain why you were not even-handed, why you haven't appreciated that consensus has been reached, why you made a decision that goes completely against the duties and responsibilities of Misplaced Pages administrators, etc. I am sure Jimmy Wales will not be amused to find out that you haven't changed your administrative behaviors since 2009. The ultimatum still stands as you are aware that it is not in my nature to look for trouble. But if you do not undo your wrong actions and apologize for your unevenness, I will have you reported not just to the admins but to the very founder and owner of Misplaced Pages, and I am certain he wont like how you've misused your administrative powers. The decision is yours. If I proceed with my complaints, you may risk losing your administrative status or have your administrative powers restricted. I advise you to be wise. ] (]) 19:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
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{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}. Bishonen | talk 09:42, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hi Kutsuit. You should have refrained from making so many reverts at Indo-European languages and breaking the WP:3RR rule. The map you added was not informative because it didn't show locations of many languages for example Kurdish. Neither did it show the separate IE branches. It was very very disruptive. Anyway hope that you will come back and when you do, don't make more disruptive edits or remove Kurdish from maps. Regards, Khestwol (talk) 10:08, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have revoked talk page access from your account, and extended the block for another two weeks, based on the personal attacks towards the blocking admin. Which I have since removed. --kelapstick 11:21, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
- Because you have been abusing multiple accounts to continue making personal attacks, I have converted your block to an indefinite one; the block is a checkuser block, so administrators may not lift it without the agreement and review by another checkuser. Risker (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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