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| == Christian Manon (redux) == | |||
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| I've already asked about ] at ], back in July but I didn't get any responses. I also asked about it at ] in July, and got one response suggesting AfD. I even tried at ] about two weeks ago, but no responses received there as of yet. I've been trying to find sources for Manon, but haven't had much luck. Most of what I did fine were just mentions by name in cast lists or credits, but nothing resembling significant coverage. Even for the role of "Mael" in the film '']'', which is what Manon's said to be most notable for, there's nothing in reliable sources other than mentions by name. There are fansites and other websites that mention Manon, but that's both independent and reliable. The article was recently protected because of Manon (I think) continuing to re-add unsourced bio information (Manon's primary account has been ]ed, but that will probably resume one the protection expires sometime later this week. The quandary, then, is that even though Manon appears to be a long-term working actor that has appeared in some well-known films and TV series, there's nothing to indicate that he's received any significant coverage for any of that or that he will anytime soon. The article was created by {{no ping|Cmanon}} back in 2006, and better sourcing hasn't been found at all since then. Would it be too much to nominate this for AfD given all that's been posted above? -- ] (]) 03:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :Don't think so. I don't understand why you haven't gone ahead with it. If SIGCOV turns up during the AfD, that's that. ] (]) 03:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Perhaps I should've done so earlier, but I'd figure I make an effort to see whether any sources existed. The Australian version of the ''The Office'' also recently just started, and I thought there could be coverage on Manon's role in the show. That role, however, appears to be really minor even though it seems to span multiple episodes, and there's really nothing resembling significant coverage related to it. Even seems to recognize it as such; yet, the "Cmanon" account was used to add that information to the cast list of the article. -- ] (]) 04:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::He seems to have been a fairly busy stage actor in the 80s and 90s,and there may be some reviews of the plays somewhere, but I haven't looked yet myself. ] (]) 12:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::My feeling is that any claim of Misplaced Pages notability probably rests more on the part of his career you're referring to above than his later TV and film work. I tried looking for sources from that time period, but couldn't find any. There might be something about him in Australian newspapers from that time period, but I don't know how to check for that. FWIW, I did ask the subject of the article himself if he knew of any such sources at ] and ], but just got a reply of "Bah" followed up by a re-adding of unsourced bio content. -- ] (]) 12:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Nothing major, but there are a few reviews on Trove: , , , and then some mentions in Sydney-based French mags: , , , and . ] (]) 01:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::For more recent and international newspapers, if you register with your state library, they probably have Newsbank, which gives access to lots of publications, including recent issues of paywalled newspapers, which can be very handy sometimes. However, one cannot use online links even if you find an article there. I have sometimes had success by looking at an article there and then searching on the title and date and finding something else via google, such as I've just done with , but it's rather a slow and painful process. And still haven't seen any further mention of screen appearances. ] (]) 01:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == When is an actor "retired"? == | |||
| Should an actor be labelled "retired" when they haven't had a role for several years and are elderly? Or should we require a published source that says they've retired or don't intend to act anymore or words to that effect? Recent edits to ] reminded me that I've wondered this before. Personally, I would hesitate to label someone retired when they haven't said so, but I wanted to check with this project first. ] ] 17:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Comprehensive filmographies == | |||
| :Definitely wait for a formal declaration of retiring or at least not planning to act in the future. People can take lengthy hiatuses between acting roles, so we shouldn't automatically assume they've stopped based solely on time that has passed since their most recent endeavor. ] (] / ]) 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| Is there any consensus on how comprehensive an actor's filmography should be? For actors with long careers, this could create very large tables which would seem to do little more than repeat imdb. If we do decide to trim them down to something more manageable, how can we best decide what to include? If there is already a policy on this, please feel free to point me towards it. Thank you in advance.] (]) 23:17, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] (]) 00:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't remember if there ever was a firm consensus one way or the other. I do know that many actor article with lengthy filmographies get spun of into their own list style article. ] is but one example. I am sure that other editors (like {{ping|Erik}})will be able to fill in the gaps of my faulty memory for you. ]|] 23:37, 21 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Requested move at ] == | |||
| :My advice would be to look at the Featured Articles and Featured Lists here: ]. As Marnette says, lengthy/full lists are often spun out into their own articles (as with Charlie Chaplin, whose biography article and Filmography List article are both FA class). Since as you note, for most American actors at least, IMDB has a comprehensive listing of their filmography, there is actually no pressing need to present their entire filmography; a "Selected Filmography" of their major film and possibly TV roles could be used. It really depends on how lengthy/complete the article aspires to be (for a short article, a lengthy full filmography seems ''de trop'') and also how significant the roles are. Other things to bear in mind are: (1) Many non-American actors' filmographies are incomplete on IMDB, especially if the actor is a minor one or no longer alive. For instance, for British actors, BFI is often a more complete source, or a source to combine with IMDB. (2) Many actors also have a great deal of theater work -- so the question is, how complete are you going to be on that? In many cases it seems wise to use "Selected" for each of them: screen & stage. ] (]) 00:13, 22 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ] There is a requested move discussion at ] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ] 02:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Kris Kristofferson revamp == | |||
| ==Aashish Mehrotra Biography== | |||
| I tried to move the article ] to ] as this would then conform to the naming of bio articles. Instead, I got the message "You do not have permission to move this page, for the following reason: You cannot move a page to this location because the new title has been protected from creation". Any known issue here? I don't believe that the "Aashish Mehrotra" page exists, but I may be wrong. ] (]) 21:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Not too long ago, I created a discussion page on what to do with making ] a GA or an FA. The discussion is at ]. I've also created a sandbox for the article redraft ]. | |||
| == Discussion of Rupesh Paul (Productions Limited) == | |||
| Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks. ] (] - ]) 02:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Contributors to this WikiProject are invited to comment at ]. ] (]) 01:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ] says, ''"Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others."'' This means that we should not have navboxes listing writing or producing credits because these credits often have more than one person. I'm concerned that this has been ignored, judging from the bloat I see at ], which proves the point of the above guideline in creating bloat and misframing the person as the sole writer for the given set of films. ] (] | ]) <sup>(])</sup> 23:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| :'''Subject does not appear to be notable per ]; no ] found from multiple ]. Most cited sources talk about the movie '']'', and not about the subject of the article. The closest there appears to be significant is this 14 paragraph interview , and its primary subject is on modelling and not the subject of this article herself.''' | |||
| :Except writers, along with directors, are primary creators of films. Producers, definitely not, but writers? Definitely. —] (]) 07:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
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| == Discussion at Hugh Jackman == | |||
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| There's a discussion at ] about whether or not to include singer in the lead of Hugh Jackman's page. I thought that people here might want to participate in it. <span style="color:green;">] (] • ])</span> 03:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{Tlc|proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the ], but other ]es exist. In particular, the ] process can result in deletion without discussion, and ] allows discussion to reach ] for deletion.<!-- Template:Proposed deletion notify --> ] (]) 13:27, 19 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Kaylee Hottle and Saturn Award nomination == | |||
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| Regarding ], there is a discussion underway about whether or not the lead section should mention her Saturn Award nomination. The discussion can be seen here: {{sectionlink|Talk:Kaylee Hottle#Saturn Award}}. Editors are invited to comment. ] (] | ]) <sup>(])</sup> 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| I'd appreciate uninvolved editors commenting on whether this actress is notable. The creator has confused a web series with a tv series (fixed), and the best I can find about B.O.G.E. seems to be which doesn't make a lot of sense. {{ping|Bearian}} {{ping|Softlavender}} {{ping|RightCowLeftCoast}}. ] (]) 14:19, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| == Discussion about what to credit actors for at Rosie O'Donnell == | |||
| :Normally I would opine when pinged, but in this case I am not able to because I'm not a horror fan (I loathe it) and the actress seems to have somewhat of a specialty in that genre. The horror film genre has its own specialization and its own subculture and its own notable/reliable sources & sites, which I am not aware of and am not able to judge one way or another because of lack of knowledge. I suggest involving some editors familiar with that genre. I applaud your decision to seek outside opinions in a case where you have had some previous dealings with the editor who created the article. Just as an aside, based on what I'm able to determine from the article, I do not personally believe the actress meets either ] or ]. Hope that helps. ] (]) 22:12, 29 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::Vera Vanguard was ] on a web series, '''', and had a small part in the YouTube series, ''Goth Girl''. Until ], web series and even YouTubers are not accorded the same value as cable or broadcast TV. Her does not offer much more information. I'm afraid that it would be deleted speedily if re-created without more credits or media. ] (]) 13:00, 8 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| There's a discussion on ] about what roles should be credited and what the requirements should be for those credits to be included. I've been told by ] to ask for your guys' input on that. | |||
| == Comment == | |||
| I'm rather new to all this so I apologise if I've done something wrong here but it would be good to get a clear consensus on how stuff like this would work as to prevent future edit wars. ] (]) 03:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| I don't know what other editor experience is of ] but he's unwelcome in this project. When I founded this project it was supposed to attract members who work together in a spirit of collaboration. He exists on wikipedia purely to troll the work of others and add quote farms. Light show, I'm asking you to take your name down and disassociate yourself with this group, it's embarrassing that you've even got the project user tag on your user page which I created.♦ ] 16:19, 10 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | == ] == | ||
| Is this model really notable? ] (]) 01:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| == James Rebhorn == | |||
| Not included in Films James Rebhorn | |||
| James Rebhorn appeared in the 1983 film '"Brainstorm,”' where he played the character of Alex. In the movie, Alex is a scientist who works on the Project Brainstorm, an invention that can record and play back human experiences. Michael, played by Christopher Walken, confronts Alex about the project, blaming him for his son’s condition after the son inadvertently viewed a disturbing tape. Alex denies any knowledge of the project and informs Michael about the death of Gordy, another scientist involved in the project. ] (]) 00:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm not sure why you're raising this here, versus at the Talk page for Rebhorn, or even just ]? ] (]) 18:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
| :Looking at ], it shows that ] played Alex Terson. I confirmed this in reliable sources outside of Misplaced Pages. I don't see any connection between this film and ]. ] (] | ]) <sup>(])</sup> 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC) | |||
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Christian Manon (redux)
I've already asked about Christian Manon at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 18#Christian Manon, back in July but I didn't get any responses. I also asked about it at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Australian television#Christian Manon in July, and got one response suggesting AfD. I even tried at Talk:The Office (Australian TV series)#Christian Manon about two weeks ago, but no responses received there as of yet. I've been trying to find sources for Manon, but haven't had much luck. Most of what I did fine were just mentions by name in cast lists or credits, but nothing resembling significant coverage. Even for the role of "Mael" in the film Queen of the Damned, which is what Manon's said to be most notable for, there's nothing in reliable sources other than mentions by name. There are fansites and other websites that mention Manon, but that's both independent and reliable. The article was recently protected because of Manon (I think) continuing to re-add unsourced bio information (Manon's primary account has been WP:SOFTBLOCKed, but that will probably resume one the protection expires sometime later this week. The quandary, then, is that even though Manon appears to be a long-term working actor that has appeared in some well-known films and TV series, there's nothing to indicate that he's received any significant coverage for any of that or that he will anytime soon. The article was created by Cmanon back in 2006, and better sourcing hasn't been found at all since then. Would it be too much to nominate this for AfD given all that's been posted above? -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Don't think so. I don't understand why you haven't gone ahead with it. If SIGCOV turns up during the AfD, that's that. Nardog (talk) 03:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should've done so earlier, but I'd figure I make an effort to see whether any sources existed. The Australian version of the The Office also recently just started, and I thought there could be coverage on Manon's role in the show. That role, however, appears to be really minor even though it seems to span multiple episodes, and there's really nothing resembling significant coverage related to it. Even Manon's own official website seems to recognize it as such; yet, the "Cmanon" account was used to add that information to the cast list of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- He seems to have been a fairly busy stage actor in the 80s and 90s,and there may be some reviews of the plays somewhere, but I haven't looked yet myself. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- My feeling is that any claim of Misplaced Pages notability probably rests more on the part of his career you're referring to above than his later TV and film work. I tried looking for sources from that time period, but couldn't find any. There might be something about him in Australian newspapers from that time period, but I don't know how to check for that. FWIW, I did ask the subject of the article himself if he knew of any such sources at User talk:49.3.210.131 and Talk:Christian Manon, but just got a reply of "Bah" followed up by a re-adding of unsourced bio content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing major, but there are a few reviews on Trove: here, here, here, and then some mentions in Sydney-based French mags: , , , and . Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- For more recent and international newspapers, if you register with your state library, they probably have Newsbank, which gives access to lots of publications, including recent issues of paywalled newspapers, which can be very handy sometimes. However, one cannot use online links even if you find an article there. I have sometimes had success by looking at an article there and then searching on the title and date and finding something else via google, such as I've just done with this SMH article, but it's rather a slow and painful process. And still haven't seen any further mention of screen appearances. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:58, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing major, but there are a few reviews on Trove: here, here, here, and then some mentions in Sydney-based French mags: , , , and . Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:46, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- My feeling is that any claim of Misplaced Pages notability probably rests more on the part of his career you're referring to above than his later TV and film work. I tried looking for sources from that time period, but couldn't find any. There might be something about him in Australian newspapers from that time period, but I don't know how to check for that. FWIW, I did ask the subject of the article himself if he knew of any such sources at User talk:49.3.210.131 and Talk:Christian Manon, but just got a reply of "Bah" followed up by a re-adding of unsourced bio content. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:58, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- He seems to have been a fairly busy stage actor in the 80s and 90s,and there may be some reviews of the plays somewhere, but I haven't looked yet myself. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:46, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should've done so earlier, but I'd figure I make an effort to see whether any sources existed. The Australian version of the The Office also recently just started, and I thought there could be coverage on Manon's role in the show. That role, however, appears to be really minor even though it seems to span multiple episodes, and there's really nothing resembling significant coverage related to it. Even Manon's own official website seems to recognize it as such; yet, the "Cmanon" account was used to add that information to the cast list of the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
When is an actor "retired"?
Should an actor be labelled "retired" when they haven't had a role for several years and are elderly? Or should we require a published source that says they've retired or don't intend to act anymore or words to that effect? Recent edits to Robert Wagner reminded me that I've wondered this before. Personally, I would hesitate to label someone retired when they haven't said so, but I wanted to check with this project first. Schazjmd (talk) 17:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely wait for a formal declaration of retiring or at least not planning to act in the future. People can take lengthy hiatuses between acting roles, so we shouldn't automatically assume they've stopped based solely on time that has passed since their most recent endeavor. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 17:53, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Michael Scott (film director)#Requested move 2 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Michael Scott (film director)#Requested move 2 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 00:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:John Savage (actor)#Requested move 4 November 2024
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:John Savage (actor)#Requested move 4 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 02:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Kris Kristofferson revamp
Not too long ago, I created a discussion page on what to do with making Kris Kristofferson a GA or an FA. The discussion is at Talk:Kris Kristofferson#Potential revamp. I've also created a sandbox for the article redraft here.
Input from project members would be very much appreciated. Thanks. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:53, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Reminder about WP:FILMNAV
WP:FILMNAV says, "Filmographies (and similar) of individuals should also not be included in navboxes, unless the individual concerned could be considered a primary creator of the material in question. This avoids over-proliferation of individuals' navboxes on each production's article, and avoids putting undue weight on the contributions of certain individuals over others." This means that we should not have navboxes listing writing or producing credits because these credits often have more than one person. I'm concerned that this has been ignored, judging from the bloat I see at Category:Film writer navigational boxes, which proves the point of the above guideline in creating bloat and misframing the person as the sole writer for the given set of films. Erik (talk | contrib) 23:13, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except writers, along with directors, are primary creators of films. Producers, definitely not, but writers? Definitely. —Joeyconnick (talk) 07:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
Discussion at Hugh Jackman
There's a discussion at Talk:Hugh Jackman#Singer in the lead revisited about whether or not to include singer in the lead of Hugh Jackman's page. I thought that people here might want to participate in it. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 03:17, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Kaylee Hottle and Saturn Award nomination
Regarding Kaylee Hottle, there is a discussion underway about whether or not the lead section should mention her Saturn Award nomination. The discussion can be seen here: Talk:Kaylee Hottle § Saturn Award. Editors are invited to comment. Erik (talk | contrib) 15:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Discussion about what to credit actors for at Rosie O'Donnell
There's a discussion on Talk:Rosie O'Donnell about what roles should be credited and what the requirements should be for those credits to be included. I've been told by User:ObserveOwl to ask for your guys' input on that.
I'm rather new to all this so I apologise if I've done something wrong here but it would be good to get a clear consensus on how stuff like this would work as to prevent future edit wars. ZestySourBoy (talk) 03:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
Delilah Cotto
Is this model really notable? Bearian (talk) 01:12, 10 January 2025 (UTC)
James Rebhorn
Not included in Films James Rebhorn James Rebhorn appeared in the 1983 film '"Brainstorm,”' where he played the character of Alex. In the movie, Alex is a scientist who works on the Project Brainstorm, an invention that can record and play back human experiences. Michael, played by Christopher Walken, confronts Alex about the project, blaming him for his son’s condition after the son inadvertently viewed a disturbing tape. Alex denies any knowledge of the project and informs Michael about the death of Gordy, another scientist involved in the project. Dr Jahoda (talk) 00:39, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why you're raising this here, versus at the Talk page for Rebhorn, or even just making any changes you wish to make? DonIago (talk) 18:13, 13 January 2025 (UTC)
- Looking at Brainstorm (1983 film), it shows that Cliff Robertson played Alex Terson. I confirmed this in reliable sources outside of Misplaced Pages. I don't see any connection between this film and James Rebhorn. Erik (talk | contrib) 19:00, 13 January 2025 (UTC)