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== Fault on Timeline traced to 31 August. == |
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*Sierra Leone reported 388 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 388 + 48 = 436 |
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*WHO figures For Sl was 430 and 46 possible Total = 430 + 46 = 476 |
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'''Note''' 476 - 46 = 430 Difference 46 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error'''. 6 difference between the report i still need to look into <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*{{cite journal|last1=Vingolo|first1=Enzo Maria|last2=Messano|first2=Giuseppe Alessio|last3=Fragiotta|first3=Serena|last4=Spadea|first4=Leopoldo|last5=Petti|first5=Stefano|title=Ocular Manifestations of Ebola Virus Disease: An Ophthalmologist's Guide to Prevent Infection and Panic|journal=BioMed Research International|date=1 January 2015|volume=2015|doi=10.1155/2015/487073|url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4628748/|accessdate=1 June 2016|issn=2314-6133}} |
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'''3 Sept''' |
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*OCHA was the next source with 3 Sept 452 death confirmed and suspected |
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Sierra Leone reported 404 confirmed and 48 suspected Total 404 + 48 = 452 Report for 3 Sept is thus correct |
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*{{cite journal|last1=Mekibib|first1=Berhanu|last2=Ariën|first2=Kevin K.|title=Aerosol Transmission of Filoviruses|journal=Viruses|date=23 May 2016|volume=8|issue=5|doi=10.3390/v8050148|url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4885103/|accessdate=1 June 2016|issn=1999-4915}} |
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'''7 Sept''' |
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Then WHO Afro took over and the WHO report was erroneous |
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*Afro WHO figures for sl was 478 confirmed and 46 confirmed Total = 524 |
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* Sierra Leone reported 428 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 428 + 48 = 476 |
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'''Note''' 524 - 46 = 476 Difference 46 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error.''' |
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*{{cite journal|last1=Mann|first1=Erin|last2=Streng|first2=Stephen|last3=Bergeron|first3=Justin|last4=Kircher|first4=Amy|title=A Review of the Role of Food and the Food System in the Transmission and Spread of Ebolavirus|journal=PLoS Neglected Tropical Diseases|date=3 December 2015|volume=9|issue=12|doi=10.1371/journal.pntd.0004160|url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4669147/|accessdate=1 June 2016|issn=1935-2727}} |
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'''10 Sept''' |
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*OCHA report was correct 493 confirmed + suspected |
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*Sierra Leone reported 445 confirmed and 48 suspected Total 445 + 48 = 493 |
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*<mark>?</mark> {{cite journal|last1=McElroy|first1=Anita K.|last2=Harmon|first2=Jessica R.|last3=Flietstra|first3=Timothy D.|last4=Campbell|first4=Shelley|last5=Mehta|first5=Aneesh K.|last6=Kraft|first6=Colleen S.|last7=Lyon|first7=Marshall G.|last8=Varkey|first8=Jay B.|last9=Ribner|first9=Bruce S.|last10=Kratochvil|first10=Christopher J.|last11=Iwen|first11=Peter C.|last12=Smith|first12=Philip W.|last13=Ahmed|first13=Rafi|last14=Nichol|first14=Stuart T.|last15=Spiropoulou|first15=Christina F.|title=Kinetic Analysis of Biomarkers in a Cohort of US Patients With Ebola Virus Disease|journal=Clinical Infectious Diseases|date=27 June 2016|pages=ciw334|doi=10.1093/cid/ciw334|url=http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2016/06/16/cid.ciw334|accessdate=2 July 2016|language=en|issn=1058-4838}}Full article/WP Library |
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'''14 Sept''' |
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*<mark>?</mark>{{cite journal|last1=Pigott|first1=David M.|last2=Millear|first2=Anoushka I.|last3=Earl|first3=Lucas|last4=Morozoff|first4=Chloe|last5=Han|first5=Barbara A.|last6=Shearer|first6=Freya M.|last7=Weiss|first7=Daniel J.|last8=Brady|first8=Oliver J.|last9=Kraemer|first9=Moritz UG|last10=Moyes|first10=Catherine L.|last11=Bhatt|first11=Samir|last12=Gething|first12=Peter W.|last13=Golding|first13=Nick|last14=Hay|first14=Simon I.|title=Updates to the zoonotic niche map of Ebola virus disease in Africa|journal=eLife|date=14 July 2016|volume=5|pages=e16412|doi=10.7554/eLife.16412|url=https://elifesciences.org/content/5/e16412|accessdate=15 July 2016|language=en|issn=2050-084X}} |
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Again Afro report erroneous |
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*<mark>?</mark>{{cite journal|last1=Olsen|first1=Michelle E.|last2=Filone|first2=Claire Marie|last3=Rozelle|first3=Dan|last4=Mire|first4=Chad E.|last5=Agans|first5=Krystle N.|last6=Hensley|first6=Lisa|last7=Connor|first7=John H.|title=Polyamines and Hypusination Are Required for Ebolavirus Gene Expression and Replication|journal=mBio|date=7 September 2016|volume=7|issue=4|pages=e00882–16|doi=10.1128/mBio.00882-16|url=http://mbio.asm.org/content/7/4/e00882-16.full|accessdate=27 July 2016|language=en|issn=2150-7511}} |
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* Afro WHO figures for sl was 517 confirmed and 45 suspected Total = 562 |
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*<mark>?</mark>{{cite journal|last1=Biedenkopf|first1=Nadine|last2=Schlereth|first2=Julia|last3=Grünweller|first3=Arnold|last4=Becker|first4=Stephan|last5=Hartmann|first5=Roland K.|title=RNA Binding of Ebola Virus VP30 Is Essential for Activating Viral Transcription|journal=Journal of Virology|date=15 August 2016|volume=90|issue=16|pages=7481–7496|doi=10.1128/JVI.00271-16|url=http://jvi.asm.org/content/90/16/7481.full|accessdate=28 July 2016|language=en|issn=0022-538X}} |
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* Sierra Leone reported 468 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 468 + 48 = 516 |
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*''additionally'' one could add a graph,to the article, which represents the different countries (cases/fatalities) like this (many ''GA articles'' use visual/images to further illustrate a point in the article).... |
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I trust this is all clear explained it as best as i could. AFRO WHO are adding up there suspected cases double on each report. |
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*will leave Guinea until a further update becomes available (if there are any)--] (]) 16:01, 1 August 2016 (UTC) |
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*--] (]) 13:26, 23 August 2016 (UTC) {subst:GAN|subtopic= Biology and medicine} ('''waiting''') |
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*] (aside from GOCE, am willing to further edit per '''reviewer''' (50-100?)--] (]) 19:25, 15 September 2016 (UTC) |
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*Typo: "... with Ebola in the country. and ..." The period is inconsistent with the lower-case "and" that follows. I'd fix it, but the GOCE template says do not edit and take questions here, and if I wait I'll forget it. ] (]) 14:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:: Noted. Will look at it closely. - ] (]) 14:53, 20 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:: {{ping|User:Art LaPella}} Done. Thanks for the heads-up. – ] (]) 15:24, 20 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*Typo: "a severe shortages" should either be "severe shortages" or "a severe shortage". ] (]) 22:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:Thanks a lot. I should be done with my copyedit in the next 12 hours or so. I've had a tight schedule and only managed to squeeze some time to get this done. – ] (]) 01:06, 22 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|User:Art LaPella}}Typo fixed. Thanks. – ] (]) 17:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for everything. ] (]) 22:20, 22 October 2016 (UTC) |
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I have e mailed them with error. |
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Kind Regards Brian ] (]) 18:56, 20 September 2014 (UTC)] (]) 19:10, 20 September 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Reviewer:''' ] (] '''·''' ]) 09:58, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:], would it just make more sense to add another column to the timeline with a margin of error and we throw in the difference you calculated as a percentage? It might be better just to add that instead of telling people that these are accurate figures. ] (]) 19:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:] will do something about it in the morning Nearly midnight here by me in South Africa , but yes a good idea.. Have a fab day in the US ] (]) 19:53, 20 September 2014 (UTC) |
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'''17 Sept''' |
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Again Afro WHO report erroneous |
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* Afro WHO figures for sl Death was 584 confirmed Total = 584 (Afro WHO report cases correct as per SL gov Report |
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* Sierra Leone reported 489 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 489 + 48 = 537 |
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'''Note''' 584 - 48 = 536 Difference 48 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error'''.(Note Sl report differs by 1 death. Report from WHO state as of 18 Sept but figures are inline with respective gov reports for 17 Sept on timeline.) Hence leaving time line as is. |
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#:: Lead section: OK.• • • ] ]: 14:10, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:: Layout: OK. • • • ] ]: 07:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:: Words to watch. OK. • • • ] ]: 15:59, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:: Fiction: N/A • • • ] ]: 14:10, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:: Checking whether sources are reliable is being slowed down by some of the references not including the publisher. I will not insist on adding the publisher etc to refs, but it is good practice and reduces the risk of losing them to a dead link sometime. I am partly fixing as I find them. • • • ] ]: 13:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:::thank you--] (]) 13:23, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#::::There are a few bare urls among the references. If those links get broken, there is no way of knowing what the reference was, and all the material associated becomes unreferenced. This can be a real pain to fix later, so I strongly recommend fixing them now. • • • ] ]: 14:59, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#::::::will do, (still working)--] (]) 15:17, 28 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} '''please let me know if I missed any''' |
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#::::Found a few dead links:<br/> <mark>"Ebola Reduced Lagos Hotel Patronage by 75% in 2014, Articles – THISDAY LIVE". thisdaylive.com. Retrieved 26 April 2015.</mark> '''deleted'''<br/><s>"WHO: New Ebola cases could be up to 10,000 per week in 2 months". The Huffington Post. 14 October 2014. Retrieved 14 October 2014.</s>{{done}} better reference<br/><s> "USAID seeking better Ebola protective gear". The Seattle Times. 6 October 2014. Retrieved 13 October 2014.</s>{{done}} better reference<br/><s> "Sierra Leone's main referral hospital has been overwhelmed". StarAfrica. Retrieved 1 October 2014.<br/> "8 Ebola suspects freed by relatives in Sierra Leone". Global Post. Xinhua. 28 May 2014. Retrieved 21 June 2014.</s>{{done}} better reference |
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#:::::will replace--] (]) 16:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} |
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'''21 Sept''' |
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: Please check casualty figures against reference - Total suspected cases and total deaths do not tally with local cases in infobox and 1st paragraph. |
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* Afro WHO figures for death in SL was 552 confirmed and 45 suspected Total = 597 |
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:: Ok, this is something we went thru in the process of the covering the outbreak....1. the table at the bottom of the article reflects the numbers (not including flare-ups) since the thinking was the main outbreak was over, though there could be additional isolated cases (flare-ups) but not the mass outbreak that had been observed until then... 2. the infobox does include the flare-up numbers (however should you believe an adjustment is warranted I am open to any adjustment in text (or numbers)?....(the infobox numbers and lede numbers are the same) |
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::: gives 28616 suspected cases and 11310 deaths against 28657 and 11325 in the lede and infobox, and the totals at the bottom of the columns in the infobox are not arithmetically correct sums of the figures above them in the columns. Either there are errors, or something is missing. • • • ] ]: 12:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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'''Note''' 597 - 45 = 502 Difference 45 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error''' |
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::::your correct, (it was the last two countries to have flare ups, I adjusted the numbers)... however if you look at these numbers (minus UK and Italy that are not there, but had 1 case each) and add it to youll get the number at the bottom?? (and it still does ''not'' add up)--] (]) 13:19, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:{{tq|Although the epidemic is no longer out of control, flare-ups of the disease are likely to continue for some time.}} How long? Does this refer to some time from March 2016? Is this statement still valid? |
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::According to this statement from WHO the answer is yes, however as time goes by the possibilities diminish (over time). That is not to say an independent ''new'' outbreak could start, however it would not be seen as a continuation of this one, I could cite this in the text if you think appropriate? |
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:::Sorry, nor expressing myself well. My point is that "for some time" is an indefinite duration with an unclear starting point. Will it still be a valid statement in 3 months, or a year, assuming no-one edits it? It would be preferable if a more definite period could be indicated, so it can be clear whether further outbreaks would be considered part of this epidemic, or a distinct later event. • • • ] ]: 12:31, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::your correct will adjust wording, and post here..--] (]12:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC)......''Although the epidemic is no longer out of control, flare-ups of the disease for some time were likely, however the possibility of sexually transmission of survivors to others is still possible '' ...this statement is true due to ...i have adjusted the wording and added a reference {{done}}...--] (]) 13:33, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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====Overview==== |
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:OK. • • • ] ]: 13:57, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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=====Outbreak===== |
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*Map of ongoing status is not dated and now shows situation after end of epidemic. Is this actually useful with current caption? Clarify status of map, preferably in caption. • • • ] ]: 08:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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* Sierra Leone reported 502 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 509 + 48 = 557 |
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'''Note''' 605 - 48 = 557 Difference 45 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error''' |
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] (]) 08:00, 27 September 2014 (UTC) |
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*Age of index case is quoted as 1 year and 2 years, This ''looks like'' an error, though the sources do differ. This should be clarified so it does not appear to be misquoted. • • • ] ]: 08:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::my ''wordsearch'' is temporarily off, I'm having trouble finding where it says 2 year old?--] (]) 08:22, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Sorry, I saw that in one of the other references, not in the article. Don't worry about it. • • • ] ]: 08:40, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|As the epidemic waned, following international control efforts, the 8 April 2015 edition of WHO's Ebola Situation Reports stated that a total of 30 cases were reported}} These references do not support the number quoted, and there is no link to 8 April ed of setrep, which probably does. It is a little confusing. If the sitrep gives 30 as the number, why are the other refs there? Also clarify if these were new cases. • • • ] ]: 08:15, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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=====Guinea===== |
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Attention bots do not archive this section. I use it to correlate numbers ] (]) 16:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|leaving only skeletal staff to handle the Macenta region}} Where I come from we would say skeleton staff. • • • ] ]: 08:25, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*Some paragraphs in this section mention a large number of dates, without specifying the year. It would be easier to keep track if the year was specified in the first date mentioned in any paragraph, and at any point where the year changes (I don't think this second case actually occurs, but bear it in mind in case I have missed an instance. • • • ] ]: 08:36, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::yes I see your point and will look over that text, you are correct it is important that the ''reader'' know if it is 2014,2015 or 2016. --] (]) 08:43, 29 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} |
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*{{tq|that same day, it was equally reported that Ebola restrictions had halted market activity in Kambia District, amid protests.}} equally reported? == also reported? • • • ] ]: 08:54, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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* Afro WHO figures for death in SL was for 29 Sept |
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* Sierra Leone reported 570 Confirmed death and 48 probable Total = 522 + 48 = 570 |
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'''Note''' 570 - 48 = 522 Difference 48 hence suspected was added up double. '''The crux of the disputed error''' |
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*CDC is mentioned several times in this section. Even if there is only one CDC, most readers will not know this, particularly non-Americans. Suggest you either link first instance in the section or clarify some other way.• • • ] ]: 09:09, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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=====Rest of Epidemiology===== |
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Other subsections OK. {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 09:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:OK.: {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 14:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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* Congo section can be split off into its own article and a sentence or two left with a link to that article |
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* more complicated - there is a lot of repetition in the narrative of the spread (the "Initial outbreak (December 2013-March 2014)" and "Subsequent spread" sections) and the country-by-country stories. suggest condensing the narrative of the spread dramatically, maybe even reducing to bullet points. |
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* the country-by-country sections seem to have evolved from just describing spread of the disease to including other related news (e.g. third and fourth paragraphs in the Guinea section are not about the spread, but instead duplicate content found in the "complications" section |
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* virology section could be really condensed. too much blow by blow there. what readers need to know is the Answer not all the wrong stabs at it along the way. if we are not certain then the section can be very short. (!) |
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* Prevention section in general is meandering and could be reworked. |
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**"Containment efforts" section content is actually alarms being sounded by health officials and not about containment efforts at all. This entire section seems like it could be distributed into the "response" section. |
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**"Complications" section also could be better ordered, with a subsection on "health care workers" that could include the attacks on health care workers and the entire "infections of health care workers" section, condensed. |
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have to go but wanted to put that out there.. ] (]) 18:31, 26 September 2014 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|It is not entirely clear how an Ebola outbreak starts}} may be true, but I cant find it in the associated reference.• • • ] ]: 14:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|On 12 January, the journal Nature reported that the virus's natural host could be found by studying how bush-meat hunters interacted with the ecosystem}} Not really what the reference says. • • • ] ]: 14:27, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*::it probably came from ''His team is studying how bush-meat hunters interact with wild ecosystems to identify factors that might be linked to the spillover of zoonotic infections such as Ebola'' ...(will adjust the wording)--] (]) 14:38, 28 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} |
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*{{tq|or by contact with objects recently contaminated}}. It would be good to clarify exactly what constitutes contamination. The impression I have so far is that it would have to be with body fluids, but not I am not an expert - just like most of the potential readers. • • • ] ]: 14:34, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*::Better now, but would ''by contact with objects recently contaminated with the body fluids of an actively ill, infected person'' be clearer? Up to you. • • • ] ]: 07:50, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*OK. {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 14:28, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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OK. {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 15:22, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::This has been discussed earlier and we kept a "wait and see" attitude though there were not length problems at that time. ~Gandy |
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::We're aware of the repetition, however keep in mind that the epidemic is of grave importance to everyone in Africa and IMO each country experiencing the epidemic needs its own section, however I believe that we all prefer to first give the epidemic a nutshell section of the spreading process. ~ Gandy |
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::While that's true (and I've considered it as well), the info IMO does belong in both sections. ~ Gandy |
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* '''virology section could be really condensed. too much blow by blow there. what readers need to know is the Answer not all the wrong stabs at it along the way. if we are not certain then the section can be very short. (!)''' |
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::Agree and I've been trying to get to editing that section. This is one of the many examples of why this article has needed so much upkeep. ~ Gandy |
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:::I did work on it today and while it may still not be as short as some would like, I believe that its important to explain a few things. For one, people have come to the article again and again to point out to us that the Congo and the West Africa outbreaks are part of the same epidemic because they are the same virus strain. It is interesting to find that the most likely scenario is that the bats most likely migrated to the jungles of West Africa only about 10 years ago. Also, the recent study done in Sierra Leone is groundbreaking in that it is the first time that virologists have been able to study an epidemic as it is emerging. ] (]) 14:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::This problem has developed as the article went along. We have had quite a few editors come along and reorganize everything which has caused us time-consuming grief at times. It is meandering, for sure. We have been "short-staffed" and had just not had the time to do much-needed large reorganization. ~ Gandy |
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:Thanks for your comments. Mine are rushed as well as I have little time right now. We are well-aware that the article is far from polished but very few editors are doing this sort of work. Though all things considered, I think we are doing quite well. I've worked on epidemics before and looking back at the shape they're in, they are an embarrassment to read and I'd never advertise that I worked on them - and that is with having many editors working on the article, unlike this one where we have so few. ] (]) 20:55, 26 September 2014 (UTC) |
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OK. {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 15:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::sorry if you took that as critical - i went looking for where things could be condensed and more tightly organized. would be happy to implement things where there are green lights.... ] (]) 21:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::No, I did not mean at all to be critical! I asked you to look over the article because I know you are so good at this sort of thing. I just tried to explain a few things. I'm going to work on the virology section tonight. I will warn you though, be sure to discuss your plans for the health providers section. As one myself, I consider those people modern day saints to continue to risk their life under these circumstances and I want to be sure that they receive good coverage. :) Best, Gandy ] (]) 21:24, 26 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Can we remove some of the duplication regarding Senegal and Nigeria? There's repeated detail in what used to be the "subsequent spread" section and in the country by country analysis. I suggest the initial mention is extremely brief just to note that the disease did spread to these countries, but any detail is reserved for the country by country bit. Could some of the treatment stuff also be removed as it's not specific to this outbreak and might be better in the main Ebola article? ] (]) 11:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Mattojgb, I tend to agree with you and was all set to make an edit, but on second thought I changed my mind. As the article grows due to the unexpected explosion of cases, there has been talk of splitting all of the involved countries into separate articles. In that case more detail in the overall section would be warranted, so I thought better to wait a few more days and see what happens. Re the treatment section, I think a group discussion would be needed to remove the medical stuff. For one thing, it is being used as an intro and for another it does tend to tie in as readers can see that with no hospital beds available for sick people, people left to recover or die in their homes is not an acceptable alternative - who has the suggested drugs, IV equipment, etc., in their own homes? What do you think? ] (]) 14:44, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::I'm not sure there's enough to warrant separate articles on Senegal (in particular) and Nigeria. But it might be worth seeing how the current US situation unfolds before making any changes at the moment. Potentially (hopefully) the US situation will mirror one of these two countries and it may be best to adopt a uniform approach once that is known. As for the treatment thing I was thinking more of the experimental treatments stuff. Some of the info is only tenuously linked to the current outbreak at best.] (]) 09:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Yes, getting a pile of headlines at the moment. I'm sure there are 100 faith healers & witch doctors who are also claiming fantastic results. All sorts of reasons why it does not belong here - not good quality evidence being the principle one. ] (]) 10:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I see that {{u|Meodipt}} has added it under "Experimental Treatments". There's also been an announcement by a hospital in Thailand that they have invented a cure but I don't think anyone is taking that seriously either. ] (]) 14:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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{{tq| About 15 different vaccines were in preclinical stages of development; these included DNA vaccines, virus-like particles and viral vectors (vesicular stomatitis virus, human adenovirus, and vaccinia virus). Another 7, as yet unheard-of, vaccines (ChAd3, MVA-BNFilo, Ad26, MVA-EBOZ, rAd5, rVSV and VLP), were also being developed. }} Wikilink these where possible. This is pretty opaque to the lay person. • • • ] ]: 14:45, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{tq|There has been significant criticism of the WHO from some aid agencies because its response was perceived as slow and insufficient,}} is a bit on the weaselly side. <s>Could this be more specific?</s> I see it is detailed in the following text. • • • ] ]: 10:04, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*{{tq| The panel indicated that the response begged strong operational capacity within the WHO and as well as the aid system, if outbreaks turned into emergencies; a politically protected system for WHO emergency declarations; and strong mechanisms for the responsibility of all parties, from national governments to non-governmental organizations to UN agencies. Furthermore, mobilisation of the understanding needed to fight outbreaks would require an international structure of rules to enable access to the benefits of research, and financing to establish technology when commercial motivations were not appropriate.}} Can this be rewritten so the meaning is immediately clear? The rest of the paragraph might also benefit by more straightforward language. Who are the "panel", and are all instances of "they" in this paragraph referring to this panel? • • • ] ]: 10:21, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::the ''panel'' refers to (abstract, ive got access to Science direct should the full text be needed)...''they'' is interchangeable w/ ''panel''...I will ''flesh out'' the text in question towards a clearer meaning--] (]) 10:41, 29 October 2016 (UTC)....have changed text {{done}}--] (]) 10:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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*Data sources - for what? the tables? • • • ] ]: 16:33, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::yes, for the table information (in some instances we would go directly to the site of the ministry of "''x,y,z'' country" as many times they were faster with case and mortality counts than WHO) --] (]) 17:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::I suggest putting the data sources information as either a note included in the table, or if it refers to both tables, as a footnote linked from both tables. Then you would not need subsections in the timeline section. • • • ] ]: 09:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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I think this graphs are helpful to visualize how much affected the countries are, and by doing the calculation in the graph, the reader does not have to do it by himself. --] (]) 11:03, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Presenting it as a rate, as opposed to just numbers, is really effective at communicating the seriousness of the current epidemic. -- ] (]) 12:27, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::These will be very helpful. Well done. ] (]) 15:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Sorry the wording is a little confusing. Is it possible to put the world totals on a separate scale? ] (]) 05:21, 29 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: I do not understand exactly what you mean by separate scale. Could you please explain with more details. And you are right, confusion is not good, and before it confuses, I would rather remove the Totals line. Maybe I just rename Total with World? --] (]) 06:38, 29 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::: While other lines do a good job of indicating seriousness for each country, totals line does a good job of showing seriousness to entire world.] (]) 19:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: Dear Kactusotp, I now renamed Totals with World on the logarithmic diagramm. On the linear one I removed World (Total), Nigeria and Senegal, as the values are too small to be displayed. Is this now better? --] (]) 20:02, 29 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::: That does make it much more clear now, thank you for putting all this together. ] (]) 00:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::The use of "rate" seems confusing. Surely rate implies a per day (or other time interval) basis. I think what is meant is "proportion" and it would be clearer if they were amended as such.] (]) 09:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Dear Mattojgb, I am thinking about your remark. I found: "Incident proportion R, the number of people who experience an event in a closed group of susceptible people over the course of study. The incidence proportion is expressed R = A / N, where N is the number of people in the population and A is the number of people who experience the event. ... the inciden proportion is often called the attack rate (AR). ... The disease attack rate or incidence proportion is the proportion who develop diesease.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://books.google.de/books?id=XozcayyVQm8C&pg=PA88&lpg=PA88&dq=infection+proportion&source=bl&ots=o1xi1iM5hF&sig=tghBQ1YJoh-YlURg586cQNDi0Z8&hl=de&sa=X&ei=12ItVOHnN-u8ygOGq4HgAg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=infection%20proportion&f=false|title=Epidemiologic Methods for the Study of Infectious Diseases|publisher=Oxford University Press|accessdate=01 October 2014}}</ref> |
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:::::Further there is an article ], but also an article ] which is forwarded from Incidence proportion. I have also yet not seen other examples of that kind of graph, so I cannot take these as example. The WHO on the other hands uses bar graphs with new cases per week. Theses have the advantage, that they make also sense at the end of an epidemic. I added a definition for the ''rate'' in the graphs and will first upload the graphs with data from 28. September. |
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:::::Any other proposals for the naming? Rate, Proportion, Attack rate, Cumulative incidence, what fits best? --] (]) 20:43, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::]That was helpful. Having read through your links and looking at related links, I think the correct term would be ] or possibly prevalence proportion. ] (]) 09:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::] That is really tough. I looked a bit on prevalence, but I have the impression, that this word suggest, that people can not be cured, like it is assumed for AIDS. See for instance <ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Faetiology%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F06%2FCarrie-picture-2.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fscienceblogs.com%2Faetiology%2F2013%2F06%2F18%2Fstudent-guest-post-are-parasites-causing-a-rise-in-the-global-hiv-epidemic%2F&h=592&w=830&tbnid=DHjvco5_eQwVeM%3A&zoom=1&docid=qIz7Frg9MzHZlM&ei=-nYuVID9IKLaywPg5YHYCQ&tbm=isch&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=369&page=1&start=0&ndsp=24&ved=0CEwQrQMwDg|title=Student guest post: Are parasites causing a rise in the global HIV epidemic?|publisher=ScienceBlogs|date=18 June 2013|accessdate=03 October 2014}}</ref>. And I would be very unhappy if a rumor like that spreads for ... Maybe it is possible, to just give a proper definition for the values, and omitting words like ''rate'' in the graph completely? --] (]) 10:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Medevacs == |
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Talking about paring down the article, I think the section on medically evacuated cases is not relevant and it should be removed. Would anyone mind? ] (]) 14:33, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Still relevant for history, so suggestion stub in into a sub article then remove...] (]) 16:21, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Agree, it can be removed. If someone wants to make a separate article, that's fine, too. ] (]) 16:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::I will do a medivac article soon, but keep] (]) 18:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Hi ], I see there's another medevac heading for the US today.] (]) 09:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== First USA case == |
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. Too early to put in the article, but it's good to know. |
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] (]) 21:34, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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should it go on the cases table?--] (]) 21:53, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Should the name of the article now be changed? 2014 Ebola Outbreak ? ] (]) 22:10, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:There's another unrelated 2014 outbreak, so the title of this still needs to specify. At present, I don't see that anything else would be better than the current title, since that's where it originated. ] 22:17, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::No the article name shouldn't be changed. The outbreak is in West Africa; the case in the states is isolated... but I'm sure we'll see a big honkin' USA section within hours. ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 22:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::If is an outbreak with a case outside the west africa, despite being a "isolated case", is not a "west africa outbreak". ] (]) 22:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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I believe (now that U.S. is included) title should change.--] (]) 22:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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It's a pandemic now not an epidemic. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Case ≠ outbreak. I'd rather see senegal removed than go all 'Murica over this single isolated case. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 22:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::Agree with ], this does not represent a U.S. outbreak. ] (]) 23:08, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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=== Confirmed Liberia to USA transmission per CDC, please add the USA to the chart, timeline and header === |
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http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/health/2014/09/29/dallas-presbyterian-hospital-ebola-patient-isolation/16460629/ <----- <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I can change the map, I've been working on the SVG for when this happened. ] (]) 22:26, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:I am preparing to change the chart with the rates on logarithmic scales.--] (]) 05:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== New Ebola outbreak map === |
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I think we should start using a world map as the virus continues to spread. Please make changes and re-upload when necessary. ] (]) 22:43, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:If there is an Ebola virus outbreak in the U.S. the map should only cover the affected region/state(s), it should not show all of America including Alaska and Hawaii. The U.S. is one country made up of states. Only the affected states should show. ] (]) 22:49, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::So just so we can show the US, we're overriding the very informative existing map? No thanks. Please leave it as is until there is person-to-person transmission on US soil. Everyone knows where the US is, but many of these African countries have only entered peoples lexicon because of this outbreak. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 22:52, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, I agree, especially since any real outbreak on U.S. soil would not include the entire country. Just the local region, just as the West Africa outbreak does not include all of the African countries. ] (]) 22:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: ], I mean, Texas pretty much is an entirely different country, so I'll make the changes. Also, ], we can easily add a zoomed in portion similar to what we had before. This is just a basic, needs-to-be-changed version I felt like discussing. ] (]) 23:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Yes, but only if there should be an outbreak in Texas. Right now, there's no outbreak. This patient contracted the virus in Guinea, not Texas. Good job on the map, btw. ] (]) 23:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::I think we either add Texas or we remove Senegal. ] (]) 23:09, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Wait a bit. I don't like being the one to say this, but I don't know the Guinean's travel history or when he became symptomatic. We might need your map for Texas. Senegal can go in 21 days but only if it is absolutely confirmed that that case did not cause any other cases in Senegal. ] (]) 23:18, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::Sounds good to me, just be ready though. From the time the patient visited his physician in Texas until the time he was hospitalized, two days passed. ] (]) 23:20, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Yes, two days being symptomatic. That's the scary bit. ] (]) 01:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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If their is transmission in Texas than Texas should be added, not the entire USA IMO. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:I just updated the map. Please let me know what you guys think. ] (]) 04:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== Patient in Texas does not represent U.S. outbreak === |
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The patient at Texas Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas acquired the virus in West Africa. He did not acquire it here. If any of his American contacts, such as airport security, or taxi drivers, or his neighbors, contract Ebola virus, then yes, that would represent an outbreak on U.S. soil. This case does not. ] (]) 22:46, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Does that mean we can remove the 1 case in Senegal? ] (]) 22:48, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:Agreed. It's the same situation in Senegal, if we don't pt US we should ddo the same with senegal. And it's not a outbreak in US, just a case of the outbreak in US, it's different. ] (]) 22:51, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I agree, so long as no other citizen of Senegal falls ill from contact with him. And right now, the Minister of Health is declaring Senegal disease free, so I would say, yes, Senegal should be removed and that patient should be listed as part of the Guinea outbreak. ] (]) 22:54, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Go ahead and put it up for a vote, I personally think they should stay. The WHO is reporting on Senegal in its previous reports just like it was for Nigeria and the other three countries. Why don't we wait and see what the WHO does with their reports and then follow their lead? ] (]) 22:57, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::We can wait for the WHO. I don't know if the Minister of Health in Senegal consulted with them before the announcement but he should have certainly informed them per their arrangements with WHO. ] (]) 23:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::Senegal case = US case--] (]) 23:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Exceptthe Senegal case is in West Africa and fits on the map fine and dandy. I have no problem with mention of the US case, even including it in the "cases/casualties" section of the infobox... what I take issue with is using a completely uninformative map just to show America highlighted. It's not necessary, its distracting, and the pileup of American editors to defend its addition is fly-by editing at its worst. Wait for opinions from the numerous editors who have spent tireless hours on this article before sledgehammering something in. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 23:30, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::If it's a matter of visual appeal, maybe we could have the world map with an inset with the old map for West Africa. I might try to work on this. ] (]) 02:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:I thought every opinion in Misplaced Pages matters , not a select few, I guess im wrong--] (]) 23:40, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::Every opinion does matter, but keep in mind these two points: 1) a select group of editors has built and maintained this article, established its structure and coverage, and kept it sourced and tidy for nearly a year now. Their opinions on how to go about dealing with this new development are integral to this article, as they will likely continue to maintain it long after the sudden spike of American interest subsides. 2) Given this development, the number of American editors coming here with the sole intent of adding information regarding this American case means that a whole bunch of yesmen will arrive and agree with anything to establish that viewpoint, including the undue weight of adding it to the lede. This cannot be allowed to represent "consensus". - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 23:50, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I fixed the indenting. Hope you two don't mind. I agree with Floydian. Wait and see. Wait for all the others to weigh in. This can wait until it's sorted. As of right now, it's been mentioned in the article as it should be. ] (]) 23:55, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Agree with ] the case is a subsequent spread from west africa. AS it mentioned now keep it. Lets adopt await and see attitude . Yes it will classify this as a pandemic if more cases show up, and since he has been in the country for about 6 days before treatment its highly likely there will be more cases in the following days. Lets hope not.] (]) 05:28, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::*According to WHO, a case constitutes an outbreak...as long as it isn't a regular disease common with a country. So a case of Ebola in US is an outbreak in the US.--] (]) 18:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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===Time to move the article?=== |
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With a confirmed case in America, I propose we move the title to ]. - ] (]) 01:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:That's a good title. This may well develop into an outbreak in Texas, and possibly elsewhere if he was symptomatic on the plane. ] (]) 01:39, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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so can the title be changed, or is that off-limits too?--] (]) 01:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:In theory, yes, but not yet. ] (]) 01:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::There have been previous cases in the US such as when they flew patients over. This case was NOT acquired in the US thus too early. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:15, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, but those cases came into the U.S. via the CDC isolation plane. This fellow was part of the local Dallas population before he was admitted to hospital. He first sought care on the 26th but wasn't admitted until the 28th. That's two days of exposure when he was symptomatic. The possibility of an outbreak in Dallas is real in this case. ] (]) 02:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::], wait on that title change. It's too early. As I said earlier, only if there is an outbreak. This person came from Liberia with the infection. He didn't acquire it on U.S. soil. But contacts he had here after he became symptomatic might develop it. ] (]) 02:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::And if that happens than their would be an outbreak in the USA. Until than no. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)] |
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::::::Right, I think he gets that. ] (]) 02:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::We're ignoring that there already is another unrelated 2014 Ebola outbreak. Considering that we can't just use the title '2014 Ebola outbreak' as a result, then the current title is the most informative and most accurate title to use. ] 05:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*I propose that each new editor not come and create a new section to request the same thing. I propose that we keep all discussion on the way we should augment the article with regards to the American case in a single section, to avoid confusing others who wish to join the discussion as well as to avoid fragmentation. Finally I propose that we stick with the current status quo: a mention of the case, how it happened, and current expectations, in a subsection as with other countries. No mention in the lede, no map adjustments. Infobox case addition, yes. My final addendum is that we sit on this until further news develops. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 02:42, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Feel free to combine all the sections using sub sections. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I don't have an objection to mention in the lede. In fact, the lede could clarify that this was not acquired on U.S. soil. ] (]) 02:54, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::The virus was diagnosed outside of Africa though making it the first such case. . - ] (]) 03:07, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Sure it is the first case found in the US. For their to be an outbreak in the US it must be acquired their. This is what we have been using for other countries. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, per ]/Doc James. Just because it was diagnosed outside Africa does not make it America's first case. The question is where was the virus acquired, not diagnosed. This patient is from Liberia and he acquired the virus there. If his contacts in America become infected, then that does represent an outbreak in America. But not until then. ] (]) 03:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Agreed no move yet. Keep the status quo as is now. Adopt a wait and see approach and hope for the best and not the worst. ] (]) 05:31, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::My input into this is that we should be as neutral as possible, and follow sources. So we should not make the US a special case just because most editors are from there, but equally we should not exclude it for that reason either. There does seem to be a strong case for treating it identically to Senegal, because the two "outbreaks" are indeed identical in nature. Just because Senegal is in West Africa does not change that basic fact. — ] (]) 11:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::*I support the move, since the article is no longer limited to West Africa. According to WHO; an outbreak is the occurrence of a disease in a country where it isn't a normal occurrence. Therefore, even a single case constitutes an outbreak. Misplaced Pages needs to end this double standards.--] (]) 18:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I agree that the US cases should be included in the table, but I think that September 21 is too early to list the case, as we have no reason to believe that he was sick until September 26. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:24, 1 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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AS the table has been set up for us, lets leave it there now. one minor date error for now won't effect the article negatively.- will update on next report ..] (]) 05:08, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:just a bit of eloboration. it takes time to change the table. reverting it back today only too ad it back in na day or so seems pointless unnecessary edits. I have added a note about date difference..] (]) 05:49, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Note to all new editors.''' Timeline went to a dispute resolution. please do not change because '''"WHO has one set of numbers".''' We reached a consensus that WHO figures are not factually correct and compare with respective government numbers from where WHO gets their numbers or OCHA or UNDP. Kindly stick to this to avoid a edit war again. Greetings Brian ] (]) 05:02, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== Inclusion or Exclusion of United States in article titled "... epidemic in West Africa" === |
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I see somebody added the United States to the table after the confirmed case in Dallas. The title of this article is "Ebola virus epidemic '''in west Africa'''". It would seem to me that the inclusion of the United States would be outside the scope of an article with that title. I'm not going to make the edit before we discuss it. I would like to suggest that either the U.S. be removed from that table, or that the article title be broadened now that the virus has left West Africa. ] (]) 16:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Is this for real? The outbreak has spread to the US. Maybe, MAYBE, the name of the article should be changed, but part of the outbreak should not be ignored in an article about the outbreak just because you want to be hype-literal about the name. |
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:: Nobody suggested ignoring it. I put it in talk, rather than making the change, so that the best route could be decided without an edit war. ] (]) 17:35, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Fully aware of this fact. But the spread was from west Africa and yes the person who did it acted hastily but it is a time consuming edit. US is in this article. Suggest leave for now and see where this head. If not we will revert. Been discussed . Article title might change. At ip editor please add the new section on the end and not the front.. ] (]) 22:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== Article rename suggestions (for the likely near-future) === |
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A couple weeks ago, I attempted to move/rename this article to '''2014 Ebola Pandemic''' (the move was reverted by others of a wait-and-see outlook). In the event the disease does become established on another continent, I submit that such is the ideal title (rather than one containing "Epidemic" instead). Discuss....--] (]) 06:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Hi ] i look into the actual dif. between epidemic and pandemic. |
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Simply put, when an epidemic gets out of hand, it is called a pandemic. This has 2 nuances: |
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:'''Geographical spread''' |
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:An epidemic that is not localized to a city or a small region but spans a larger geographical area can be called a pandemic. |
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::'''Incidence rate''' |
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:An epidemic may be localized to a small region but the number of people affected may be very, very large compared to what is "expected". In this case, it can be called a pandemic even if its geographical spread is not very large. For example, let us say that a disease has an "expected" rate of infection of 15%. When 40% of the population of a state is infected, we have an epidemic on our hands. When 75% of the population is infected, it has reached pandemic proportions. |
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IMO opinion we are looking at a pandemic given the past history of past 4 decades of Ebola outbreaks we have never before seen these numbers so this has the earmark of a pandemic. Just my input . . Others may differ.] (]) 13:44, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Is WHO calling it a pandemic? ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I would wait. If WHO calls it a pandemic, then so should WP, but not until then. Also, keep in mind that even if there is an outbreak in Texas, that doesn't automatically represent a pandemic. The Americans will contain it. ] (]) 18:06, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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: The disease is definitely "out of hand".--] (]) 21:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/texas-ebola-patient-had-contact-school-age-kids-perry-says-n215976,,, |
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/01/texas-ebola-patient/16525649/,, '''very''' "out of hand"--] (]) 22:13, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::i will stick to ].. did a little further research until WHO declares pandemic keep current status qou.My mind says pandemic but WHO say epidemic...] (]) 04:47, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I remember that during the swine flu, the WHO said that there needed to be significant local transmission on 4 continents or something like that to declare a pandemic (which eventually happened in 2009). That might just be for flu, though. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:33, 2 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/) says this about flu as it pertains to a pandemic, “...influenza virus gains the ability for efficient and sustained human-to-human transmission and then spreads globally.” I'll wait for the CDC or WHO to official establish this as a pandemic event. One case out of Africa to the United States does not make this pandemic. ] (]) 12:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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==== '']'' now calling it a pandemic ==== |
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--] (]) 02:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:], ''The Independent'' is not a medical website. I want to wait and see what the WHO, CDC, MSF, etc. say about it. ] (]) 03:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:MERS is up to 22 countries and is simply referred to as an "outbreak" - https://en.wikipedia.org/Mers_outbreak ] (]) 06:07, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== 80 contacts === |
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-patients-texas-contacts-zoom-80-authorities/story?id=25912405,,, --] (]) 14:00, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:As many as 100: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/02/health/ebola-us/index.html – ] (]) 14:57, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:The Nigerian doctor in Port Harcourt had 400 contacts, and didn't infect any. Don't read too much into that just yet. ] (]) 06:09, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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===Propose Move=== |
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I feel this article should be moved to "2014 Ebola virus epidemic" since the outbreak has now passed the West African region.--] (]) 15:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Please see above discussion. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 16:24, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:*I can't find any discussions about this particular rename.--] (]) 17:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::We need high quality refs. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 17:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::See the subsection ] - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 18:08, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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=== hypothetically === |
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if any of the 100 or so individuals currently being monitored in or around Dallas, or for that matter |
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some other case (ie Howard in D.C ,,http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Patient-With-Ebola-Like-Symptoms-Being-Treated-at-Howard-University-Hospital-278025181.html,, ) should pop up,,,could we then proceed to change both article title '''and''' |
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map to reflect the reach of the outbreak at the international level.--] (]) 21:18, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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: If we change the title to pandemic, I fear we would be the first to change the name of the epidemic. I would wait, till another word becomes common. Regarding the maps, I think people plan an inset or so. But I would not, just because of two US case, switch to a world map.--] (]) 23:49, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== BBC report == |
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The BBC is reporting that the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) in America is saying that there have been no new cases in Senegal in 21 days. But there must be two 21 days periods. That was the first. The CDC says if this next 21 day period passes without any new cases, then the outbreak there is over. ] (]) 23:13, 30 September 2014 (UTC) |
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::Hi ] correct 42 days. ] (]) 05:34, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Nigeria move == |
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. I reverted this move and deletion. The spread started here and needs to remain here. It can be trimmed but not moved. A spin of article has been created but it is still an part of this article. ] (]) 06:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Each country section within this article should contain initial outbreak info, patient 0 details and only the latest stats. any day to day changes or gov, medical press releases should be placed on an individual page.. IE, overview in here, Detailed info on dedicated article/page.. The only country detail worth keeping here is the bi weekly case/death stats table that is a proper overview of the epidemic... this article is starting to get get way over sized... ] (]) 08:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::I agree with ]. This article here should just be an overview and have the weekly case/death stats. Each country article should be more in-depth. They are separate sovereign nations, after all, and details of how they've coped, how the infection spread, belongs in an individual country article, not here. ] (]) 15:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Recent splits == |
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I have serious concerns about the splits that have been done is the last few days. They were done without any discussion and IMO, for the most part, they do not represent what should be an acceptable level of accuracy and skillful writing for such an intensely viewed Misplaced Pages subject. They are not uniform in what and how information is presented. For example, the Guinea article has an in-depth section of information about the virus. It has a transmission section that included unsourced information such as ''Ebola virus has not been shown to be airborne among humans, but it can be transmitted through aerosolization of body fluids, such as when an infected individual sneezes, vomits, or flushes a toilet after use", which I deleted since right now we must be certain to get at least that right. The transmission section has a study on virus transfer between pigs and monkeys, etc. |
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If it had been up to me I would have deleted these splits and insisted on a consensus-first policy for the article. I've been here since 2006 and have worked on several current, fast-moving articles that eventually were split and I've never seen anything like this. We now have a whole series of articles that are not, IMO, up to snuff, all needing work. I'm sorry if this comes across like a rant, but WP is about working together rather than a decision made by one or two editors. ] (]) 13:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:There had been some discussion about separate articles. In fact, you yourself have asked another editor to split off the 'responses' section. As for the separate country articles, each individual country is not well represented here at all. They are given short summaries. This means separate articles are needed. This is too big to contain in one article. As for the quality and content of these new articles, eventually they will all be consistent. They've just been created. It takes time. ] (]) 14:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:: just my two cents(A SA saying for input). yes we need spin off as doc james and some other experienced authors suggested where the stub from here can be expanded. but this morning Nigeria was completely removed and just copied over. Yes it is advisable to create more expanded article, but to just point blank delete and only the content over is not per wiki rules. If it is going to be a straight forward copy without expansion the article will be marked for speedy deletion. I did friendly advise the editor there since he is new. Liberia was up for deletion exactly for that reason, but the editor subsequently expanded, although the quality of edit needs serious work on it. But if you create a new article the main still stays here until a consensus is reach to delete if needed. This is wikis rules. ask for deletion or reduction once the new article is up to standard. ] (]) 16:03, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::@5DL. Yes, please note that regarding the proposed Response section split '''there had been discussion''' and '''no editor offered any disagreements''' and '''then''' we asked Jytdog to go ahead with it. Sorry for shouting, but that's the way it's supposed to work in these parts: You offer a suggestion, it is discussed, and '''then''' you go ahead with it once group approval has been given. Both you and the other editor just went right ahead without discussion and created splits. ] (]) 16:38, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::] ] (]) 16:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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{{od}} |
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Gandydancer sure seemed on-board. Here are two of his comments. |
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] (]) 11:36, 29 September 2014 (UTC)] |
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(Sounded to me like he was happy to see the articles spin off.) |
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] (]) 15:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)] |
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(This sounded like he was happy to see them go and was anxious for the rest to follow.) |
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] (]) 19:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Perhaps you should have looked up the word ''maverick'' in the dictionary (and taken special note of the synonyms) before you decided that I must have been "happy". At any rate, we can only hope that this does not happen again in the future, and move forward by beginning to do the much-needed work on the new splits. ] (]) 11:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Gah. Yes issues. Efforts to repeat the signs and symptoms of Ebola as well as mechanisms of transmission of Ebola in each are occurring. |
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::Should probably be re merged here. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 01:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I've just looked at all the articles and they don't all say the same thing. Do you have diffs? ] (]) 03:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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===Propose we re merge these article=== |
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All this content ] is here. We appear to be duplicating content for the sack of duplicating. Others of these newly created articles include: |
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] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:*YUCK. '''Strong Support''' this article is NOT that large. There is no reason to start creating content forks that repeat the same things over and over again and force users to sift through drivel to find the simple facts they seek. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 04:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::* '''Clean up''' : the article is quite large at the moment, and only going to get bigger. while much is duplicated, this needs to be cleaned up, (1)Put '''ALL''' relevant info for each of the regions in their own page, so that they are no longer regarded "stubs". (2)Brief explination and link to relevant pages in this one.. (Much like the DRC section).. There is WAY TOO Much to take in on this one page.. (3)these section also need trimming : Virology, Transmission, Prevention, Contact tracing, Travel restrictions and quarantines, Healthcare settings, Treatment, Level of care & Experimental treatments. Most of these are almost WORD 4 WORD from other relevant pages. You cant have everything on one single page, it's just toooooooo much.... ] (]) 07:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support''' There is and will be a lot of repetition in the main article already, there's no need to then repeat it all again in separate articles. However, considering how long this could last, the current state is unsustainable... I assume certain overly-detailed parts will be trimmed as necessary. ] and others like it will be overwritten if they aren't deleted, as soon as there's a second case. ] (]) 08:01, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:*'''Support''' and '''Clean-Up''': All the above stubs are not necessary. I think sections 2-6 could be trimmed as they are covered at ] or ].] (]) 13:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Yes agree with Greg section 2-6 could be trimmed. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*:'''Oppose''', You can't vote re-merge articles that were for the most part, not split off to start with. Also, the have grown to include more then what is one this page. '''Your using a re-direct to block access to new content'''. ] (]) 13:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*:::This appears to be attempts to simply duplicate content here across many other pages. If a split occurs, this is not the content that should be split. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*:::For the most part they were started as independent, and have also grown. Unfortunately many have copied content back to this page, and some additional content here has also been moved. One of the problems is that this page is getting very large (see previous talk here) and it will only get worse as we get more content about each country. Its not a situation where merge-unmerge is valid, because there is new content on these pages. ] (]) 14:09, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. Firstly, this is an inappropriate forum. These articles are already created. The appropriate forum is AfD. Secondly, Doc James isn't showing any diffs that these new articles are duplicates. He appears to be engaged/creating a ] by blanking and redirecting the new articles and trying to start edit wars on the U.S. article. Nobody is taking that bait. Floydian nom deleted the article on the U.S. That ended soon after with a speedy 'Keep.' The articles are already created. Coming along after the fact is battle behaviour and possibly ]. And taking an iVote here and not on the article talk pages doesn't make any sense. The content in the new articles wasn't here. In fact, Doc James is going on about having a transmission section on one of the new articles when this article didn't have one until I suggested it. ] (]) 14:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*::These "new" articles were shoddily put together such that the picture on the Guinea page refers to Liberia in the caption. |
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*::Check out all of it word for word the same as . ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 14:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::One of the problems here is were talking about several articles, and the Nigeria article was indeed a split. That is why I said "..For the most part.." in my comment. That was split off because people were saying this page was too large, and its probably better to handle the Nigeria page separately. ] (]) 14:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Agree with ]. This article can be put back with fresh content that does not duplicate anything here. In any event, this is still an inappropriate forum for this discussion. A handful of editors on this article cannot decide AfD issues that belong to the wider community. ] (]) 14:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::Yes, that's right. I forgot that. Pot meet kettle. In any event, this article should be an overview and not attempt to provide in depth coverage on 6 countries. ] (]) 15:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::::No problem and thanks. Your previous comments are like a voice of reason. ] (]) 15:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Strong support''' These articles were added without any discussion what so ever. Other than the Nigeria article, they do not meet WP's standards for accuracy and IMO they do not meet any standard for what is appropriate for what should be included in an article which is supposedly about a particular country's epidemic coverage. The reason that the Nigeria article actually meets acceptable standards is that it was copied from this article in which multiple editors have worked for several weeks to present accurate and appropriate information. |
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For some time editors of this article have been aware that the length is excessive and some measures needed to be taken. Through group consensus it was decided to move the Responses section to a new page, and that will hopefully be completed today. If the group decides on a "countries" split as well, I would suggest that all of the countries be placed in the same split article for now. In an article on a subject that is so newsworthy, it is common for editors that are not at all familiar with WP guidelines to add information that is not appropriate, and it takes the established editors many hours a day to continually go through the article sifting through the new edits. We just do not have enough editors with the time to place seven articles on their daily watch list to check for errors, etc. |
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Keeping in mind that an eventual "country" split would take place, some of the present editors have assumed that the present introduction that includes an overall history of the West Africa outbreak would remain, while the individual coverage sections would constitute the split article or articles. ] (]) 16:16, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' was up for the split in the beginning but in quite honesty the articles are of very poor quality at best. In civility i suggested to one editor who did a reasonable article to work on his wording etc, but was ignored. One article has about five maps each with different areas on each. This could be on one map. Quite frankly they are not up to scratch. References are poorly sited. There are a lot of other issues but in civility i will refrain from mentioning them. Personally i don't want this good article to be link to those. Seriously to the editors do some homework before nominating it for a spin off. I might take a fallout on my opinion here, but even me with my bad English i can do better than that. The split will com but sandbox the article align it properly then nominate for spin off. Quite frankly i will support a WK:AFD if it comes to it now. ] (]) 20:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for your frankness Brian. In all honesty, I was ready to leave the article this morning as I was not willing to have my Misplaced Pages name connected to such poor articles, so I was ever so happy to see them no longer linked to. I think for me the statement in one article saying that "casual contact" would not spread the disease was the clincher. Many thanks to those that have come out strongly against these articles until they meet our WP standards. ] (]) 22:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*I think it's safe to say that consensus is emerging. I'd say give this another 24 hours, and unless a strong argument is raised, then go about merging any useful new content into this article, and redirecting those articles to the appropriate subsections of this article. With the responses section split, I think everything should fit in place nicely. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 13:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Support''' mainly because these articles are all from the same original article, I don't think there's a need for there to be multiple of them when they can all be covered in one page. ] (]) 20:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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===Discussion=== |
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The primary discussion here is what should this article contain? IMO it should be about the outbreak of Ebola that started in West Africa. Thus one would discuss the outbreak and the countries that it affects plus organizations responses and economic effects. |
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There should be one section on "background" that gives a very BRIEF overview of virology / transmission, prevention and treatment concentrating on how they related to this outbreak. These should otherwise be dealt with in other articles. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:'''Inappropriate forum'''. The articles are created. They do not duplicate content. They are not forks. Stop blanking them and redirecting them. That's disruptive to the project. If you think they should be deleted go to the appropriate forum. The AfD board is the appropriate venue for this, not this talk page. It is inappropriate to attempt to delete these articles on this talk page. This is an issue for the wider community. The AfD on the U.S. article was closed as "Keep." Why aren't you nominating the new articles for deletion instead of attempting to do it here? ] (]) 14:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::I agree with SW3. Thanks ] (]) 15:14, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::No, this is a conent dispute and doesn't belong anywhere else. Misplaced Pages is not a bureaucracy and the discussion can happen anywhere. I will open up an RfC if necessary. The argument that these forks contain new content that is being "blocked" is a fallacious straw man; the content, if it isn't unnecessary coverage, overuse of quotations or news broadcasting, could easily be incorporated into this article. It is rediculous that a single case of Ebola in a country warrants an article, that is ] at its finest. As mentioned, a content dispute doesn't belong at AfD per the conditions of AfD regarding redirects, and such content can certainly be discussed back into the parent article. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 15:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::How is it a content dispute? Where are the diffs of disputed content? The Nigeria article content was copied from that article and put here! These are new articles and any decision to delete should be placed at AfD. Especially, given that the AfD you started was closed as Keep after a few hours. This article here should focus on being a good summary of things, it should not attempt to be in-depth as that is simply not possible in an epidemic crossing borders into 6 countries. ] (]) 15:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::: SW3 5DL said:''The Nigeria article content was copied from that article and put here!'' That is not correct. Please check back to before the content was moved to a new article. ] (]) 17:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::Here are the diffs of the disputed content. There are better delineations that we can split this article by, and there are many places to trim out excessive trivial details and summarize information into a format that is more easily digested by the many readers of this article. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 16:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::One reason we have splits is some people are saying things like ".. thus cutting the length of this article as is urgently needed.." Others are moving content back here and making redirects, and this seems to be where the problem is coming from. ] (]) 17:30, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::], If you feel the articles should not exist, then follow policy and go to AfD and let the community decide. ] (]) 17:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::What policy? Plus ] says right at the top to consider an alternatives "For problems that do not require deletion, including duplicate articles, articles needing improvement, pages needing redirects, or POV problems, be bold and fix the problem or tag the article appropriately." - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 18:06, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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==Keeping content on the outbreak mostly here== |
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Wondering what peoples thought are on ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:45, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Do you mean, remove outbreak information from the EVD article and only have it here or in a country article? ] (]) 23:59, 1 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::We want an overview their. We should however keep it brief. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 00:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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looks good,sure,why not--] (]) 00:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I did a little work on the 2014 section to update it. See what you think... ] (]) 01:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 13:24, 2 October 2014 (UTC) |
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@ ] First time on US soil definite needed addition. Short brief and to the point. ] (]) 21:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Glad we agree. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Proposal for new chapter - Search for new strategies == |
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I would like to insert a new chapter in 5 ] after 5.1 ]. I read mostly about common techniques to isolate patients in special high security treatment facilities. At the end of the chapter ''Level of Care'', the reader is told, that there are thousands of hospital beds missing. I would then like to know, what actions are done to solve this problem. And a natural question is ''What shall I do, if my hospital does not accept the person I care for?'' |
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I propose therefore to add the following chapter: |
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===Search for new strategies=== |
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Measures are done to provide support for families that are forced to care for patients at home. An organization send with other supplies, also caregiver kits intended for interim home-based interventions, in cases where infected community members cannot go to an Ebola Treatment Unit or a Community Care Center. These kits include protective clothing, hydration items, medicines, and disinfectant, among other items.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.samaritanspurse.org/article/hope-takes-flight-across-the-atlantic/|title=Ebola Supplies Arrive in Liberia|publisher=Samaritan´s Purse|date=2 October 2013|accessdate=3 October 2014}}</ref> It is discussed, whether usual hospitals are no good place to care for Ebola patients as the risk to spread the infections is to high there. Patients should be isolated, so that they cannot spread the infection.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/are-hospitals-part-ebola-problem-charity-wants-new-strategy-n202486|title=Are Hospitals Part of the Ebola Problem? Charity Wants New Strategy|publisher=NBC NEWS|date=15 September 2013|accessdate=03 October 2014}}</ref> The WHO and non profit partners launch a program in Liberia to move infected people out of their homes into Ad Hoc Centers that will provide rudimentary care.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/new-effort-to-fight-ebola-in-liberia-would-move-infected-patients-out-of-their-homes/2014/09/22/f869dc08-4281-11e4-b47c-f5889e061e5f_story.html|title=New effort to fight Ebola in Liberia would move infected patients out of their homes|publisher=The Washington Post|date=22 September 2014|accessdate=2 October 2014}}</ref> |
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To care for Ebola patients at home is still not advised, but an option following WHO. If home care is choosen, the WHO advises to inform local public health authority and to receive appropiate training and equipment.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/faq-ebola/en/|title=Frequently asked questions on Ebola virus disease|publisher=WHO|date=8 August 2014|accessdate=3 October 2014}}</ref> |
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Any comments? Is this the right wikipedia article? Are there other articles where this fits better? Is the quality of the text OK, at least for adding it? --] (]) 12:35, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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as long as its sourced and its not original research, its fine--] (]) 12:51, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Not to throw a monkey wrench into your edits. But what you are proposing is found ''']''' in the ] article. Why do we need it repeated in the this article? |
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::Dear ], the proposed content is ''not'' in the ] article, although ] and this article contain otherwise similar information regarding treatment of Ebola. The chapter I propose describes actions discussed or done to handle this epidemic, which differs substantially from previous Ebola epidemics. If you disagree, please explain in more detail, which content would in your opinion be duplicated.--] (]) 14:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::*Well I think this article should be specific to the outbreak. Treatment should be put in the Ebola virus diseases (EVD) article. From above, I support trimming sections 2-6. I'm not saying not to do the work or opposed to the content. I'm just more amicable that it being placed over in the EVD article. ] (]) 19:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I very strongly support adding this information. It is appropriate for this article (rather than the EVD article) because it is a plan to improve care for people who are getting no care at all because the few hospitals that remain open have no available beds left. Furthermore, an unknown number of people are dying because their treatment needs for diseases other than Ebola are not being met, and with hospitals full of Ebola patients, what with such lack of the ability to prevent hospital-acquired infections, they are not unlikely to pick up the virus during their hospital stay. And all this is only going to get worse. ] (]) 15:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::*I disagree. The explanation of treatment or lack of treatment, care or lack of care within the context of an outbreak is all the same thing. I think the word “'''treatment'''” is being confused with the word “'''resources'''”. Because medical treatment is lacking is not reason to reproduce a treatment section found in numerous places here at Misplaced Pages. Remember, the treatment of EVD is a global standard recognized by Misplaced Pages and WHO or the CDC is generally the authority. ] (]) 20:02, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::*Dear ], you say the information of the proposed chapter can be found in numerous places in Misplaced Pages. I failed to find it, please cite the exact places, where this information can be found.--] (]) 21:57, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I now inserted the chapter into the main article. There where yet no statements, that the proposed chapter contains substantial errors. But it was supposed, that this information should rather be put into the ] article, to prevent duplication. But the articles regarding prevention and treatment are longer in this article, than in ], so it there is a lot of cleaning still to be done. --] (]) 07:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::]I think you have categorised this poorly. "Search for new strategies" is not a subject directly related to the epidemic, and your material doesn't really support the "search" title. You have added new material which is useful - the Samaritan's Purse contributions and the introduction of community care under WHO guidance. Both of these belong in the appropriate part of the "Responses" new page. Community care also deserves a mention under "Healthcare settings" ] (]) 10:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::] I understand the new "Responses" article as a list, of all institutions, countries, people who support. This chapter does not fit into this. It is not answering the question, "Who helps?", but "What can I do for a patient, if hospitals are closed and ambulance cars are not coming?" And as that, it is strongly related to prevention and to treatment, which are not part of the "Responses" article.--] (]) 10:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Robert, I just can't see how Responses would be the right section, but I think that your suggestion "Healthcare settings" would be excellent. Malanoga, since your first language is not English, the wording does need some work (as you suggested it would). If Robert agrees with a new placement, would it be OK with you if we fix the wording a little and move it? ] (]) 10:54, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::: ] Do you mean integrating the content into the chapter "Healthcare settings", or integrating only part of it and moving and renaming the proposed chapter? For me it is OK, if you do it.--] (]) 11:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::] - Happy with your proposal. In my mind the separate "responses" page should be charting the progress of the various agencies which are deploying equipment and personnel, more than just a list, so some of this material may be duplicated over there. ] (]) 13:20, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::Robert, after reading the refs I could well-see where you were coming from as well. :) But yes, all in all, considering that they better get going on alternate treatment settings over there, it is now well-placed. IMO Jytdog did the difficult job of setting this up quite well (with a few needed changes as we go along), and Healthcare settings is a good place for this and probably more to come in the next few weeks. Malanoga, I pretty much used your wording with a few changes which I assume had to do with translating the German way of using language to the English way. If you want anything changed, let me know. ] (]) 14:03, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::: Gandydancer, thank you for improving the wording and doing the move. Thank you, for me it is OK. --] (]) 17:28, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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==A warning for the new-comers== |
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If you are interested in working on these articles, WATCH OUT!! <s>There is some troublemakers here and if you run afoul of them its not pleasant!!</s> (]) 14:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Maybe the reason is a different one. I think, keeping up with such a complex catastrophe like the current Ebola epidemic is difficult and time consuming. At least, that is the impression I have when I make only slight edits in an article or comments on the talk page. I work hours, just to change the article a bit, or not at all. I think most of us do not only work for wikipedia; family, work, ... all want something from us. And personally, I am happy to see my comments thoroughly thought over and improved, my errors corrected. But we are all humans, and keeping a calm discussion, focused on the content, can sometimes be difficult. Especially if we work together with people we never met, and know nearto nothing from. And outside of our home, people are suffering. With kind regards, --] (]) 15:25, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:This section is completely inappropriate. This is a talk page for discussing the way we present our information in this article, not for maligning other editors you disagree with. Attack the arguments, not the arguer. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 15:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::He's a ]. I think he's referring to the problems associated with the ] of this article by one or two editors. ] (]) 16:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::@] this is totally uncalled for and in very poor taste. Regardless of the ] ongoing issue it is totally unappropriated. ] (]) 17:26, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Response section split == |
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I have placed an overview of the section to prepare for a split. Please review and edit if needed. Hopefully we can get the split done today, thus cutting the length of this article as is urgently needed. ] (]) 15:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:Actually, I '''oppose''' that move. The content in that section should be moved off to the individual country articles. A separate 'responses' article doesn't make sense any longer now that we've got individual country articles. ] (]) 15:10, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Hopefully we will not have "individual country articles" for long. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:I '''support''' that move. I do not see, how the content from responses can be easily moved to the individual country articles without in most cases multiplicating it. Most responses are addressing the epidemic as a whole not the specific country. --] (]) 15:44, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Then maybe it should stay here, since this article would best be used as an overview of the epidemic? ] (]) 16:28, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support'''. The responses section goes into a lot of unnecessary detail but is worthy enough of a separate established article. I don't mind two articles, much more succinct than 6 or 7. - ''']''' <sup>]</sup> <sub>]</sub> 16:31, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' it being its own article. Maybe ]. Definitely should not be moved to each country specific article which need to be re merged here. ] (] · ] · ]) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 16:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' This split received group approval several days ago in a previous discussion and there were no editors that voiced opposition at that time. ] (]) 16:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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{{Done}} (except for the ]). ] (]) 19:46, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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For what it's worth, I wasn't aware of SW3 5DL's objection until I was finished. ] (]) 19:49, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:S/he did not object during the discussion - he only objected right now. ] (]) 20:22, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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], please do not use, "S/he" when referring to me. ] (]) 23:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::@] very good split. In fact excellent way of doing it..Regards Brian ] (]) 20:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Thank you. ] (]) 20:50, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::::], No problem, I didn't mind. Good job, btw. ] (]) 23:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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==Nigerian deaths== |
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Should we mention this in this article? If not, is there a place we can include this: ] (]) 17:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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''2 Nigerians died and more than 20 were hospitalized when they drank too much salt water after hearing about a hoax cure that it would be a protection from Ebola; the hoax started in August 2014.'' |
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:I think it is relevant, but I do not know exactly where to place it. I would also like to have a second independent reference given for this. By the way, the first link you gave points to another article, and is not related to your statement.--] (]) 23:43, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::No, I do not think that it should be included in the Nigeria article, and I've deleted it several times in the past. Even if two Nigerians actually died from drinking salt water after they saw it on a twitter, which I am not ready to believe until it is better sourced, it is not nearly significant enough for an article which packs their entire episode of the outbreak into just a few paragraphs. If anything, their article needs to be updated with the praise they have received for stopping the transmission so rapidly rather than an old news item about drinking salt water. ] (]) 09:59, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Immune ebola survivors become ebola nurses? == |
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Did this idea ever take off? It would be great to see it referred to in the treatments section if it did. Maybe the Liberians could export their survivors to earn very high pay! |
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http://news.sciencemag.org/africa/2014/10/ebola-survivor-i-senga-omeonga-every-day-i-m-still-thinking-when-was-i-contaminated |
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"Q: What do you think of the idea of having people who recovered from Ebola help with caring for patients? |
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A: Today we talked to the doctor in charge of ELWA 2, about this idea because there’s an acute shortage of staff. It doesn’t need to be health care workers. Non–health care workers can be trained, and those who recovered can be very helpful as patient assistants. They can give food and water and help the patient. The idea was welcomed but he needed to discuss this with health ministry and see if it’s willing to sponsor that kind of program and hire these people." |
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:Here in Misplaced Pages I would not formulate it that enthusiastic, and "...to export their survivors to earn very high pay!", is a personal opinion you might say on the talk pages, but not in the article. But apart from that, caring Ebola patients by survivors might became important, and I would endorse citing good references for this (Please do not forget to click on the button to enter signature and timestamp).--] (]) 22:08, 3 October 2014 (UTC) |
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I agree--] (]) 14:56, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::Obviously great if it happens. I've been watching for this for a while, but it's not happening ... I wonder if there are ethical issues? (what if ebola immunity is like the common cold, it doesn't last long?). I think William Pooley (UK nurse, recovered) has expressed a desire to return. ] (]) 17:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== Sierra Leone death rate is much lower. == |
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Does anyone have any information about the death rate being much lower in Sierra Leone than the other two main countries infected? Just look at the numbers at the bottom of the article. It seems very unusual. ] (]) 16:25, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::] that's come up several times under Talk. The answer seems to be that, the SL government is only reporting deaths of lab-confirmed EVD cases - and they don't have enough resources to keep up. WHO is constantly warning of under-reporting.] (]) 17:39, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::@] firstly interesting nickname.. ok issue regarding Sierra leone, yes they only report confirmed cases as deaths. in essence they under count the death by about a thousand short according to Sylvia Blyden the president executive assistant. but it was reported in her news paper she owns and not officially so can't actually add it.. but the numbers will change again as soon as i have all the respective gov's reports as i have been doing in the past.. SL already not correct as per report .. Kind Regards Brian ] (]) 18:40, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== WHO coordination and strategy == |
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Hi guys, I've extracted the outline below from . All of the agencies - e.g. US government & military, MSF etc. - are supposedly following the plan and coordinating so that resources go where most needed. My question - does this table belong on this page, or in the separate "Responses" page? ] (]) 18:19, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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| 14 Jan 2016 || 28,542 || 11,299 || 3,806 || 2,535 || 10,675 || 4,809 || 14,061 || 3,955 || {{efn|group=note|25 Oct: All governments as per WHO.}}<ref>{{cite web|title=Latest Ebola outbreak over in Liberia; West Africa is at zero, but new flare-ups are likely to occur|url=http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2016/ebola-zero-liberia/en/|website=World Health Organization|publisher=WHO|accessdate=28 October 2016}}</ref> |
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| 23 Dec 2015 || 28,542 || 11,299 || 3,806 || 2,535 || 10,676 || 4,809 || 14,061 || 3,955 ||<ref>{{cite web|title=Ebola Situation Report - 23 September 2015 {{!}} Ebola|url=http://apps.who.int/ebola/current-situation/ebola-situation-report-23-september-2015|website=apps.who.int|publisher=WHO|accessdate=28 October 2016}}</ref> |
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Hi ] IMO belong in responses...good job...] (]) 19:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Updated numbers are continually available from the Sierra Leone government before they are reported by WHO. The link to the Sierra Leone health department is here: . I understand there is a desire to wait to update the timeline so that it can be tabular, but there's no reason why the infobox at the top can't be updated immediately once new information is available from a ]. ] (]) 18:31, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:It all being done with good intend, yes we can update daily but it is very time consuming and edits on maps tables etc..This was the outcome of a dispute resolution a while back so we stick to that consensuses. Regards ] (]) 18:57, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Err..."convenience of editors"...? Brian, you'd better ask for a pay raise :). ] (]) 20:09, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::I am not sure what should go in, so I will just add an extra full width row at the bottom and you can copy/paste the text into it. If you have a problem, let me know.• • • ] ]: 13:43, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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Could we have some detail on the question of who washes their dead? Is this a local religious practice coming out of the animist traditions? Is it Muslim? Is it a local Christian practice? It would seem to be kind of important to understand the details of what seems to be a significant transmission vector. ] (]) 18:44, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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::prefer as they are (should you really think the alternative is better then i'll edit it)--] (]) 17:25, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::: OK, No problem. • • • ] ]: 08:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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that is in fact an interesting question, one gets so wrapped up in the "ebola news" , that one forgets so many important aspects that are related to this event, as the one you just mentioned--] (]) 19:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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*With the new formatting of the tables, is there any further value in keeping the subsection '''Data sources'''? ( the information is now in the notes of the first table ) • • • ] ]: 19:44, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::I agree, there is no reason to have that part--] (]) 20:07, 30 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} |
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:::Now that there is no "Data sources" subsection, the subsection title for "tables" seems redundant. • • • ] ]: 20:30, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::removed{{done}}--] (]) 20:37, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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: Completed {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 03:59, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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====Notes==== |
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Hi ],] Its a standard Muslim tradition. see ] perhaps add the wikilink. it is in a article on wiki. But this mostly apply to Guinea and Sierra Leone . Muslim main religion there 70% plus. Liberia only has 12% Muslims. Greetings Brian ] (]) 19:54, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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Why is this not a level 2 section after '''See also''' as suggested in ]? |
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:{{done}}--] (]) 16:30, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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* {{tq|''Date'' is the "as of" date from the reference. A single source may report statistics for multiple "as of" dates.}} |
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* {{tq|Numbers with ≥ may not be consistent due to under reporting.}} Do you know what these bulleted notes refer to? • • • ] ]: 13:56, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::since the Ebola outbreak was so fast in mortality around summer of 2014, a lot of underreporting was suspected, particularly w/ Sierra Leone 14,122 /3,955 if you notice number and the percentage is way off, it was suspected that undercounting was going on. Therefore, ≥ meant equal or greated than the number that was actually being reported. To expand, Liberia and Guinea had numbers that were in line (more or less) w/ the mortality rate though it was still suspected that in villages (or towns) that were more remote there was undercounting as well. However, in terms of Sierra Leone the numbers of cases to death never added up.--] (]) 14:06, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::Not what I meant. There are no backlinks, so which part of the text are they referring to? The tables? • • • ] ]: 15:26, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::yes the tables... it was eventually placed at ] b/c the tables had gotten so long they needed to be shortened--] (]) 15:38, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::If they are still relevant, maybe they could also go in at the bottom of the tables. • • • ] ]: 16:14, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::the reason they were placed in a separate article was that we had ''too much'', what was left was the basic last days of the outbreak, plus the infobox--] (]) 16:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::Can they be deleted? They do not seem to serve any useful purpose at present. • • • ] ]: 19:45, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::::sure, however ] and ] might find the information useful...--] (]) 20:03, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Does the "as of" apply to both tables? |
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:::::::::I can't find any numbers with ≥ • • • ] ]: 20:27, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::::::''as of'' to both tables, I will remove the ''greater than/equal'' symbol--] (]) 20:32, 30 October 2016 (UTC){{done}} |
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:::::::::::"as of" should then be linked from the "Date" cell of both tables, or included in the internal notes for both tables, otherwise it is not apparent what it applies to. • • • ] ]: 04:04, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{done}}--] (]) 04:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:And it looks like we are done. {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 05:17, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::thank you--] (]) 10:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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====References==== |
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:(edit conflict) It is a world-wide tradition, including every nationality and every religion. Here in our "civilized" part of the world, it is done by strangers in the mortuary. Some mothers regret till the day they die that they were not allowed to hold their dead child. ] (]) 19:59, 4 October 2014 (UTC) |
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== RfC == |
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====Further reading==== |
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OK • • • ] ]: 16:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::thank you--] (]) 11:36, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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: Completed {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 20:20, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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== RfC == |
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====External links==== |
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OK • • • ] ]: 16:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::thank you--] (]) 11:37, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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: Completed {{GAList/check|+}} • • • ] ]: 20:21, 30 October 2016 (UTC) |
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===General comments=== |
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There is an RfC on whether or not to keep this article, along with the other new ones . |
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# This is a very big article. It is unlikely that many readers will have the interest or attention span to actually read the whole thing at a sitting. Consider splitting it at some stage. This is a big job, and not a requirement of the GA criteria. I don't require it to be done, just saying consider the possibility, particularly if you want to take it to FA at some time. • • • ] ]: 16:40, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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The includes this one and: |
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#:ok, I will (I'm almost done with the references)--] (]) 16:56, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#I have no idea if there is a MEDMOS order for the sections for epidemics. I looked but couldn't find one. If there is I trust you will have conformed as required. • • • ] ]: 17:08, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:yes per ] though as you point out there is no exact rule/blueprint--] (]) 17:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#I have finished the basic review. There were not many problems, and most have already been satisfactorily fixed. I will be away most of tomorrow, so will probably only be able to check back on Monday. Leave a note when you have dealt with all the outstanding items, so I know when best to start the final check. If you have any queries before that, feel free to comment here or on my talk page. Cheers,• • • ] ]: 16:11, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#:::thank you--] (]) 16:16, 29 October 2016 (UTC) |
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#Passed. I think I have done all the associated manual administrative edits required of the reviewer. Good work. • • • ] ]: 06:02, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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:::thank you, it was a privilege to work w/ you--] (]) 10:27, 31 October 2016 (UTC) |
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