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| :Incidentally, given that this has been covered in Al-Jezeera, mentioned by TIME Magazine, gotten several articles in The Guardian (one of which, biased in favor of Zoe Quinn, ended up with the writer of the article resigning due to backlash and her ties, financial and otherwise, to the person she was defending), and appeared in hundreds of other RSs at this point, the idea that these are "fringe sources" and is "scurrilous rumormongering" is yet another example of your failure to assume good faith and outright attacks on other users. Indeed, a big part of the problem, which you have not been sensitive to, is the fact that people are accusing these folks - the folks you are citing - of being corrupt, and of selective ] and ] arguments which you appear to be repeating, such as the assertion that all people who are talking about this are engaging in ] rather than criticizing ] and ] and ]. This is ''precisely'' why it blew up to the extent that it did; people who weren't even really all that involved got upset over being accused of bigotry just because they were gamers, and it ended up escalating to the point where random places like Business Insider were reporting on the backlash. The fact that you consider such sources as The Mary Sue and Slate as good examples of neutral sources indicates that you are not very well acquainted with the ] policy either, as both are sources which suffer from extreme bias, and thus are very tricky to use as RSs. I would recommend, again, reviewing these policies; you have a long history of being warned about edit warring and POV-pushing, and you do not seem to have taken the advice of other folks to heart on this issue. I am here to report the information which is relevant to understanding what is going on. You should be here for the same reason. ] (]) 20:32, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::I appreciate your willingness to redact the names. I did not initially realize that these individuals had posted their own names on a Wikipediocracy blog post, so deleting the revision was unnecessary on my part, but still we should err on the side of caution and not mention them unless absolutely necessary, though I know it is frustrating to extend them the same courtesy they did not extend to you. You acted appropriately in bringing this to ANI and we should leave it there instead of the talk page of the article. ] <small>(])</small> 21:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :{{Ping|HJ Mitchell}} To be honest, the main reason I'm involved with it is because I am concerned about NPOV issues; when I first went to the article I was expecting it to be overrun by gamer folks who were very angry about Zoe Quinn. Instead it was overrun by angry people who felt that the whole thing was secretly a misogynistic conspiracy. I ''do'' appreciate your concern, and have been trying to avoid spending too much time here. I use Misplaced Pages as a reference quite frequently (people make jokes about me using Wikilinks everywhere else on the internet... well, kid on the square anyway) so I like to improve it every now and again to "give back". Really, it seems to be getting more eyes on it now, and Masem seems to be doing a very good job at being a voice of reason there, so I'm less worried about it now than I was before, too. To be honest, it is a little ridiculous that a stupid fight on the internet (or rather, what started as a stupid fight on the internet) has ballooned into something being covered by the mainstream press. But such is the power of social media, I guess. ] (]) 22:01, 11 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| In the talk page section on that article called "Phil Fish and Zoe Quinn's action description" you posted very serious allegations regarding those two living individuals. You claim that there are reliable sources substantiating those allegations but do not list or link to those sources. Please do not make any further claims of this nature on that or any other page without direct reference to specific reliable sources substantiating those claims. For a new editor or an editor new to these articles, this might be understandable, but at this point, you have been editing these articles and Misplaced Pages long enough to know how irresponsible it is to make such unsubstantiated claims. ] <small>(])</small> 21:08, 14 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :{{Ping|Gamaliel}}: As a longtime editor of Misplaced Pages you should be aware that this is done all the time on BLP talk pages when discussing current events without issue. For example, see , or the talk page on the ]. And it should be remembered that anything about living persons, positive, negative, or neutral, falls under the BLP policy - according to your interpretation, people would have to cite every single line about anything factual on the talk page. This is simply not done. I don't think there's a single BLP page which does that. People discuss this sort of thing all the time when it appears in the press, and there are a number of links on the talk page talking about stuff like that, so this is actually better sourced than a lot of that stuff. Discussing this stuff in the way you are complaining about is, well, unreasonable; it simply is not going to happen. Moreover, you have not hit people who have been attacking other folks; i.e. Tarc who not only accuses gamers involved of being misogynistic without citation (which would itself be a violation of ] according to your interpretation of such, seeing as "gamers" are living people) but other users of being misogynists. | |||
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| :If someone tries to add something like that to an article, that's a problem. If someone talking about stuff on a talk page, yeah, if they're just attacking people, that's problematic, but when we're discussing background and suchlike... moreover, this issue had been discussed elsewhere on that very talk page. | |||
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| ::It is simply incorrect that it is appropriate to use talk pages to make unsubstantiated allegations against living individuals. If you feel that it is substantiated by a link elsewhere on the page, then it is a simple matter for you to include that link in your own posts. If this is too onerous a requirement to comply with, then please do not edit articles about sensitive issues regarding living individuals. ] <small>(])</small> 00:26, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Also, I have reviewed the links you have posted above, and at best, only one of the four links even remotely substantiates the broad claims you made in your post, and that link is an unsubstantiated interview with someone alleging that this was done. Again, if you are unwilling to take more care with sources involving living individuals, please do not edit these articles. ] <small>(])</small> 00:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ::::{{Ping|Gamaliel}} noted the interview as well, and I don't know what you mean by "unsubstantiated interview" - many of the articles are little more than interviews with Zoe Quinn. What would constitute "substantiation"? ] (]) 05:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::This isn't a discussion about the reliable sources used in the article, so whatever other sources may be interviews are irrelevant. This is about what you posted on a talk page. You stated a number of claims as fact without reference to any sources, and without noting that they were claims made by involved parties in an interview and that those claims were not reported as fact by a reputable news source. ] <small>(])</small> 05:49, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :Yeah, I saw. Thanks. ] (]) 09:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC) | |||
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| :::Ah, that. See, this is why you don't use templates. Unfortunately, as I noted below, this is in fact cited in , as you should well know, given that it has been cited in ] on numerous occasions. And quit threatening me; you've gotten yourself into enough trouble already. ] (]) 09:02, 21 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| ::::Perhaps you need to actually read the template: '''into an article or any other Misplaced Pages page.''' That includes talk pages. And no, the accusations you made on that page are not factual, or even well-argued. As for my statement, it is not a threat. It is a statement of fact that someone will end up topic-banning or blocking you if you keep violating BLP. ] (]) 09:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
| :::::It is an attempt to intimidate me. As I noted, the statement was in fact entirely factual. Forbes sources it, as I noted, as do a number of other sources. Zoe Quinn is not a reliable source, especially not on herself. She was engaged in the doxxing of TFYC, as noted by Cinemablend. Forbes notes that the accusations she made against Wizardchan, where she claimed to have been harassed by them, have been called into question and The Escapist edited the article to note that the only source on it was Zoe Quinn herself - and as people noted, she gained a lot of press after she was "harassed". That's reality. That is in reliable sources. You have been warned about attempting to censor discussion of this stuff on the talk page before. You should be familiar with these sources, given your participation on ]. Have you even read any of the sources I've linked to? Ever? Because you continue to claim that no sources say this stuff, and yet, a number do. ] (]) 09:21, 21 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::::I just repeated everything I said. I sourced it. What part of it wasn't reliably sourced? Incidentally, you do realize that adding that Cracked stuff is, in fact, a violation of BLP, right? Because it totally is. ] (]) 09:39, 21 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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| I find it quite peculiar how many of the Admins editing the GamerGate article (A.K.A NorthBySouthBaranof, TRPoD, Tarc, and Ryūlóng) are extremely defiant to add new sources. They just always appear to bend the Guidelines every which way just to the exact point where one's own source (Pro-GamerGate in this instance) would appear to be false or unreliable. And they aren't very secretive about it, either. | |||
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| Great spot and edit about Sacks stance on Marx. Could you add a small sentence in with a source about it please? It’s hideous how this article has gone on for years as a form of apologism for Marx’s antisemitism. -] (]) 03:49, 13 December 2023 (UTC) | |||
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Correlation does not imply causation
Hi, in the article Correlation does not imply causation, on 15 October 2015, you added a section, "The relationship between A and B is coincidental". This contains the statement "5% of things will correlate by chance at a 95% confidence level". Whilst I'd agree that random correlations are real, do you have a citation for the stated amount? A quick Google search failed to to find a match. I've added a tag, but if you could remember, and add, where the quote came from, it would be useful. Regards, LongHairedFop (talk) 11:16, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
- The 95% confidence level means that 5% of the time, you'd expect the result to happen by chance; that's what 95% confidence *means*. 95% is a common confidence level used in a lot of scientific papers. It's the old jelly beans thing. I'll see if I can find a formal cite from a book in my closet. See confidence interval for a discussion of it. Titanium Dragon (talk) 22:50, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the heads up! Titanium Dragon (talk) 02:55, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
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- I fixed the link; it was supposed to go to the sole survivors category. It was a capitalization issue. Titanium Dragon (talk) 00:30, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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- Yeah, I saw. Thanks. Titanium Dragon (talk) 09:27, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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