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==Accusations of unsourced POV pushing== | |||
Hi Krzyhorse22, just repeating for record and courtesy purposes my warning at ]. This is at least the second time you've accused another user, who you disagree with, of not having facts to back their argument, when in actual fact they can bring facts, and the issue is actually one of interpretation (the first time being at ]). Please stop accusing other users of 'unsourced POV pushing' in these circumstances. Doing so is unwarranted without basis in fact, and constitutes a ]. Regards, ] ] 19:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:Hi again, I was sufficiently concerned about your allegations about my behaviour to check my conduct with another admin, which occurred at ]. Nick is concerned about your behaviour as well. Please avoid accusations of POVpushing, and be civil. Otherwise it is likely you will face further admin action. ] ] 20:35, 11 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Where in Misplaced Pages does it says that accusing someone of POV pushing is a personal attack? That other user and you both are expressing your personal opinions, without showing a single RS. Calling Mullah Omar a president or head of state is a personal opinion, it is not supported by any source. Therefore, it constitutes ] pushing in Misplaced Pages, which is discouraged.--] (]) 20:56, 11 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::] says '..Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. When in doubt, comment on the article's content without referring to its contributor at all.' Thus saying someone is guilty of 'unsourced POV pushing' counts. Given that I have had my actions in regard to you reviewed, positively, by another admin, and given your disruptive behaviour, I will ask you again, finally, to abide by the rules. Stop accusing the person, and concentrate on the content, or you will be blocked, initially for a short period such as one day. Regards ] ] 01:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::That is precisly what you're doing (i.e., insulting and disparaging me). Also, I'm sure that you're emailing your friends to support you. I say this because no American editor has supported your view, those who sided with you are from Australia and the UK.--] (]) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::Do you realise that you've just done it again? What at all does it matter the nationality of the admin I selected? I work with the admins I know; I don't routinely interact with all 500 plus of them. If you value your editing privileges on WP, please, stop commenting on me personally, and concentrate on whatever my actions are: right at the moment, repeatedly requesting you to remain civil in your discussions with other users, and comment on their references, rather than them! ] ] 09:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::My point above was that I find you as a non-neutral editor. The way you're approaching me here constitutes, ''inter alia'', harassment. ''See'' ], which states: "'''Harassment is a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons. Usually (but not always) the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing.'''" I advise you to stop arguing with me over who is being civil and who is not, rather contact other admins (not your friends) and ask them if I'm civil or not. That's the way things should be in Misplaced Pages and since you're an admin you should know all of this.--] (]) 09:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Given that you are making repeated personal attacks, that you've been twice (or depending on how you count it) admonished at ANI for those personal attacks within the last ten days, repeated aspersions about sources without backing them up (such as a blanket claim that 'Head of the Supreme Council' in Afghanistan is a made-up wiki-ism), ignoring consensus at multiple pages, and pushing your own line disruptively beyond a reasonable point, I can only repeat: I am protecting the encyclopedia by monitoring you. Please change your behaviour, and stop ]. Regards ] ] 02:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::::The official title in the introduction of ]'s article is manifestly contrary to what reliable sources report. As I explained at ], he was undisputably '''Emir of Afghanistan/Commander or leader of the Faithful'''. . I think you should ]. To you everything I say is construed as a personal attack. I didn't ignore consensus at muliple pages. Everything else you accuse me of is untrue.--] (]) 14:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
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==Berlin versus Bonn== | ||
Thankyou for fixing my error about the location of the 2001 conference. The location was important however: Germany is a big potential donor, and thus having it in Germany was significant, as is also shown by the title of our article. ] ] 19:48, 16 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Mentoring == | |||
Hello. You ] at ANI. Regards - ] (]) 16:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hi Krzyhorse. I noticed that you would accept mentoring. I would be prepared to mentor you if you still want. You can drop a note here, to discuss how to proceed, and what issues you perceive you are up against. Initial thoughts, try to stay calm, and if you have an issue, or are pissed off, discuss with me before editing. Four eyes are better than two, and talking something out often gives issues a different perspective. And do not immediately counter - edit. There is no stopwatch here. Regards Simon. ] (]) 16:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Mullah Omar == | |||
:Hi there. I don't edit much and when I do it's mainly improving Afghan related pages. I find interest in these topics because Afghanistan has long been isolated (sort of like North Korea or Iran). I think the world should know everything about every country and its people. I sometimes notice clearly incorrect information so I just correct it (and cite a more reliable source), and once in a while my correction turns into a dispute which I often avoid. Thanks for your advise, as you can see at ] I did not revert but discussed the issue until it was finally resolved at ].--] (]) 23:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Hi. Good that you got back. The first priority is to improve you standing on here. With increased confidence from colleagues comes less reversions etc and a growing acceptance of your contributions. I would suggest strongly that for starters you go to the current admin board discussion and apologise. You need to be sincere. Put away your pride. It can blind you. I was like you once. I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather by the way :). Think of the wasted energy in fights that you have had, as opposed to actually improving articles you are interested in. Avoid wasted energy. If you are sincere, we can avoid a topic ban. Second priority is to manage future issues. I suggest you tell me what articles you are working on. I will watchlist them. Please discuss any edits with sources with me first if they are in any way controversial. I suspect that you would be a great asset to Misplaced Pages, if we can get this period of bad blood behind us. You can also teach me about a topic range which I would be very interested in. That's all for now. Please continue dialogue with me. Regards Simon, or ] (]) 00:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::Update. We already have a positive outcome, in terms of your agreeing to mentorship and your positive response. We have avoided a topic ban, and the thread is closed. This however is entirely contingent on you working with me closely. This is the fruit of co-operation. From it, I hope you can see how quickly positive outcomes occur. Now we go go forward! Regards, Simon ] (]) 01:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::I should note for both of your information that Krzyhorse22's questioning of reliable sources regarding Omar's status as Head of the Supreme Council of Afghanistan has not taken place in the correct manner. He has previously edit-warred removal of sourced, reliable content describing Omar as Head of State, and HSC, from 1996. I intend to restore the previously existing wording; should someone wish to question reliability of sources, the place is the talkpage, but consensus there is for inclusion of the material, and thus the next forum is ]. ] ] 05:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::Your intervention at this early stage is unhelpful. I shall be discussing this with my mentoree when he resumes dialogue with me. I require that you have no contact with this user at this stage, and to take no unagreed action. ] (]) 05:38, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::My apologies Irondome; I meant only to inform you both at the same time. Apologies again. Regards ] ] 06:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
::::::Admin slapdown! It's The Only Way To Be Sure {{wink}} ] (]) | |||
:::::::Thank you Irondome, I will follow your good advise. Btw, I had no intention to get anyone blocked so I'm glad that report was closed. Regarding ], I didn't remove anything but rather improved it and rephrased the claim consistent with the sources. The bald claim, "He was head of state of Afghanistan, under the title "Head of the Supreme Council," from 1996 to late 2001", is problematic because it's well known that the UN never recognized him as such. I think that position was ]s', it's like claiming that ], is ]. Everybody knew that Omar was a spiritual leader, something like ], ] or to some extent like the ]. His followers (the ]) with assistance from ] and ] wanted to conquer lands far beyond Afghanistan. All of this was interrupted when the 2001-present war began in that country. Therefore, he started a form of Islamic monarchy. That's why Encyclopædia Britannica states that he "was ] of Afghanistan." When it comes to souces, it's not about quantity but quality. The sources used for "Head of the Supreme Council" are too vague, they're news reports by amateurs who fail to cite any references. I had addressed that iassue at ] and to some extent Buckshot06 agreed with my findind. We should avoid making this kind of bald claim, especially in the lead of an article about such a notable person. It should also be noted that Omar's authority was not accepted by many Afghans. They were sort of like slaves, according to ] and majority of the Afghans.--] (]) 19:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::Hi Krzyhorse. That is very useful to me, and gives a good over-view of your areas of work. It also indicates your abilities and why this mentoring is essential. You have a good future here, and I am sure that you and Buckshot and others can work together without giving each other stress and grief. Because that's all fighting on wiki does. Now, I would like you to give me your list of articles that you have been working on so I can watchlist them if could take the time to. I have an idea but I would like you to confirm them. You are doing well my friend. You interacting with me constructively regarding real issues and how mentorship is to go forward is a good sign. Simon ] (]) 20:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Mentorship # 1. Behaviours == | |||
I type this so that I can get an understanding of where you are coming from in relation to File:Mullah Omar.png .What if the resolution was altered or the image was adjusted? Could it still be considered free use? Could I try and find another version of the image from another site claiming PD? Could I use the other image of Mullah Omar on ? How can I ensure I upload an image that doesn't get deleted every time when I fill out the licensing and permission and everything? It just seems really odd as to why no images are allowed of a person who has a $10 million reward for capture, when it would not only be doing him a great disservice having his image on a Misplaced Pages article but also expanding an article for users. ] (]) 10:27, 4 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
:Misplaced Pages has a very strict policy when it comes to uploading images. This Mullah Omar's image is without doubt the work of someone from Afghanistan or Pakistan. Because it is very famous photo, someone from Afghanistan or Pakistan could make a claim that it is his work and go the U.S. to file a lawsuit in federal court and ask for millions of dollars, and eventually he will get if he produces evidence. The U.S. government knows this and that's why it won't use the full version. The second issue is that it is not for certain that this is Mullah Omar's face. It is just thought to be him and because of this reason it cannot qualify for fair use. There may be a $10 million reward for his capture, at the same time he is offered a deal to return to Afghanistan and live as a free person with no charges against him. --] (]) 16:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
If the work is from someone within Afghanistan, what if they haven't registered their work with the United States? We don't know the background behind the image, only that it is purported to be Mullah Omar, as the State Department and various media outlets believe. You can see traces that all the images purporting to depict mullah Omar do indeed portray the same person. Notice the width of the nostrils in between the two images, the close resembling facial features of and and the high beard in and . Does it not look like the same person to you, or is it just me? That registry with the U.S on published works appears to be for images with a vested commercial interest, whereas the mullah omar image appears to be equivalent to a mug shot, not something intended to sell. Isn't it an issue that very little is actually known abut who took the image? And does it mean absolutely nothing that Afghanistan isn't a member of the Berne Convention, the World Trade Organisation or the World Intellectual Property Organisation? The Uruguay Round Agreements Act states: Can this not be taken into consideration when determining if the image is liable under a copyright of any kind, whether in Afghanistan or the U.S? Could I upload an image of Ayman al-Zawahiri from the FBI site without worrying about all these issues with Mullah Omar? I don't mean to annoy you, but I just have absolutely no idea when an image can be uploaded anymore, with all these inquests into non-free use. I thought I had everything done right. ] (]) 08:06, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
#Images posted on US government sites don't mean they are free to use, unless an image was specifically created by a U.S. federal government employee during his or her official duty. It is the responsibility of the uploader to provide that information. | |||
#That is not Omar's mug shot. It is Afghanistan's national ID photo. | |||
#The guy shown from the side was interviewed a number of years ago and it was proven to be someone other than Omar. | |||
#You can find a better color and latest image of Ayman al-Zawahiri, send email to the author and request permission to use it in Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 12:55, 5 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
1. What if the government site states public-domain? Wouldn't that classify as free to use? Could I just use the exact cropped version of rewards for justice with the low resolution? Or is the reason due to, as you stated, an uncertainty if the image is indeed Mullah Omar? My only counter is that if it's worthy for the U.S to use in displaying a $10 bounty of an individual, than that should prove adequate enough reason that the image is legit.<br> | |||
2. If it's a national ID photo, wouldn't that make the image usable as it's an official government document use solely for identification? I thought ID photos aren't sold for commercial interests. Does that mean that my passport/license photo, for example, has a copyright on it by a private individual? <br> | |||
3. The man was interviewed? ] (]) 08:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Yes, was proven to be a false image of Mullah Omar after Vanity Fair article was published. The same source states that the image you uploaded is a 1993 photo by Khalid Hadi. Because Khalid Hadi was proven to be a liar, we cannot take his story about photographing Mulla Omar as truth.--] (]) 21:39, 6 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
*What are the top 3 things which make you lose your cool when editing? (no time limit on this, respond when you have given it thought) ] (]) 22:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
== Your garbage edits on Pakistani American == | |||
Wow, you found an article that actually goes into depth about where that image came from. Can't even imagine how long it took searching through the internet to find it. I'm still not convinced however that the image is not depicting Mullah Omar, we know for a fact that he is missing his right eye. See , it's someone who doubted the authenticity of the portrait. Well, the image has now been deleted. I'll now have to consult with you whenever I wish to upload an image so as to not wind up in that damn back and forth jostle ever again. ] (]) 06:33, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
Please stop adding undue pov edits on this article focus on Afghani terrorists living in USA first. Maybe list them before vandalising other pages. ] (]) 19:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
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An Afghan guy claiming he took photo of Mullah Omar is not proof. Afghans in general are corrupt and they exaggerate too much. The same goes for Pakistanis, Indians, Iranians and etc. Mullah Omar is not the only Afghan with a fucked up eye and long beard. There is another story that I watched on TV which tracked to a house in Kandahar and that man was pissed off saying Khalid Hadi took his photo and told the Americans he was Mullah Omar. This is why you can't trust Afghans.--] (]) 16:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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True, I'm sure there are many afghans with blown out eyes. But see this , I think you might be confusing the person in the image you linked with this image? This is the only site I can find of someone saying they are not Mullah Omar despite the U.S releasing leaflets with that image on it. ] (]) 06:45, 8 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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== Mullah Omar images == | |||
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Could I upload as a non-free work, fair use work under "excerpt from a copyrighted work"? It's a video screenshot taken of Mullah Omar holding the Cloak of Muhammad in Kandahar. And could this image be uploaded as a non-free work, fair use work under "some other kind of non-free work" or as a free-work in the Public-Domain as it's from RfJ? It won't be used as the image in the info-box, but have a description saying "Photo believed to show Mullah Omar according to U.S State Department" somewhere in the article. ] (]) 10:43, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
Hello. After reviewing the circumstantial evidence, I find it very convincing the argument that you are in fact Lagoo sab. From what I've observed, it seems you've gotten along in Misplaced Pages because administrators (understandably) don't want to touch the subject with a 10 foot poll. We had an ANI thread where the majority of the community wanted to see you topic banned. We also have the same behaviors that got your account blocked in the first place: wildly pugnacious/rude behavior and decidedly non-neutral edits. | |||
Why do you believe is M.O.? Can't you see nothing is wrong with his eyes? It is a recent photo and the person has graying hair which all means it cannot be M.O. Regarding , we have no idea who the people are and what they are doing. The standing guy who is suspected to be M.O. has nothing wrong with his eyes. He looks more like ]. Turbans and Pashtun people are not only found in Afghanistan but also in Pakistan. Who took that photo? How can someone take a photo of M.O. when Taliban didn't allow it? U.S. State Department is not an expert on M.O. In this situation we must rely on experts.--] (]) 16:53, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
If you had found a way to be on here without continuing to advance an agenda and be a huge jerk about it, you probably could have flown under the radar. But you caught several people's eyes, and they've put together evidence that is quite clear. If I were in a jury, and you were standing in front of me, I would absolutely vote to convict. Which I have done, in a sense by blocking your account. ] (]<small> • </small>]) 00:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
I read an article that Mullah Omar may have used a glass eye , which could be a pluasible explanation for the clear discrepancy between the right eye and the left eye in the image. It may be recent, but Mullah Omar is expected to be in his mid 50's, so I don't understand as to how that would disqualify him from having graying hair. We don't know of his genetics. I stated that I wouldn't make the image the sole focus by putting it in the info-box stating that it's M.O, and would put it somewhere in the article stating that the U.S State Department believe this person to be M.O, which is true. I don't know why we would withhold information from an article, especially it it's from the PD. is a screenshot taken from a documentary recorded at a Kandahar mosque in April 1996 where Mullah Omar revealed the cloak of Muhammad. That screenshot is taken from a considerable distance, and is zoomed in. Also bear in mind the quality of filming equipment from the 90's era. It has been widely reported , even on Misplaced Pages that he did possess Muhammad cloak in such a ceremony ,. The film was taken clandestinely, meaning no one in that image knew they were being recorded at the time. | |||
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What you're saying about is very stupid. I heard the false eye rumor before that article was published, and I seen people with false eye but they don't look anything like the guy in this image. To me he is about 30 something, it's just the beard that makes him look older. Now, why the fuck would he stand there and let someone take a close up picture of him? Who took that picture? The truth is that's not MO but someone else. There is clear evidence somewhere that proves it is another person. I don't have time to search it. You keep mentioning U.S. State Department, there is nothing special about that agency when it comes to MO. Many sources have said MO took the cloak out in public but the sources don't say is MO. Sources say MO took it out of the box but and see who is taking it out of the box. The problem with you is that you want to force your weak belief on everyone, and that shit is not allowed here.--] (]) 16:48, 10 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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You sound like you have been hired by the Taliban to quell any discussion of its members on the English Misplaced Pages. You seem to try and find any and every conceivable reason for not allowing anything to be be uploaded. I know you hold a POV on both Taliban and MO. Have you lost someone to Taliban? If so, then truly I'm apologetic, but if that's the case than trying to strip bare any information on these people is just wrong. Or are you favorable towards the Taliban and wish for none of their leaders to be portrayed visually and to be shown in the flesh? You never give any proof for your claims, which concerns me. You stated you contacted the CIA director without evidence, have dismissed without proving that one of the suspected MO images is in fact not MO, and just now stated that clear evidence is abundant in proving that another image is not MO, but you don't have time to search for it. You also accused Afghans of being too corrupt and called Khalid Hadi a liar without proof. The U.S State Department is the most premier source I have found on MO. All the others have been news articles or blogs with conflicting facts but still use the same images. With regards to the image , you are absolutely correct, I have no idea who took this at all. I do know however that, just as with the other images in that vanity fair article, Taliban officials stated MO wished to prove to others that he was still alive post 2001, but that's the only explanation I can come up with. It is still better than saying it's completely impossible for the image to be him. The video link states between 30-36 seconds "Mullah Omar displayed the holy cloak of the Prophet Muhammad to the crowd", that man kneeling before the cloak is not lifting it out of the box but rather kneeling before it and MO. Now, I admire your tenacity and your knowledge on the issue. If I didn't, why would I bother typing messages on your wall asking for your opinion? You have shown me facts such as in that article on the origins of Taliban which I hadn't known prior to this, and corrected the mistake I made by uploading that other file on the man with the one eye. I still don't understand why you are so hostile to my proposed idea. I'm not saying that I think he is MO, I'm saying it would be worth mentioning that the U.S government believe that the man in is MO. If not, then it's just disregarding a fact. ] (]) 07:29, 11 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
:"Mullah Omar displayed the holy cloak of the Prophet Muhammad to the crowd" could be interpreted two ways. That (A) he personally took it out and displayed it or (B) he ordered one of his close commanders to do it. We don't need to get into that. By law you are not allowed to upload images of other people without their permission. The US government has no authority whatsoever to take the rights of copyright holders without proper permission, and it doesn't matter if it's State Department, White House, CIA or the Pentagon. MO wished to prove to others that he was still alive? So he brought an anonymous photographer and made a thumbnail? The guy in the thumbnail appears to have non-defective eyes. Someone with glass eye is easily noticeable, see ], the guy who played ] on TV. The reason I'm against your uploads is because you act like a cunning thief who makes up false licenses for misleading purposes.--] (]) 15:38, 11 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Fair point, but then why are there images of Osama Bin Laden and Dokka Umarov, for example? I doubt they had given permission for their cronies to use images of themselves onto Misplaced Pages English, unless they were huge narcissists. I try and upload images as accurately as possible. I just find it difficult if the terms and conditions state it's in the PD for example, and then boom, next minute I receive a non-free, non-fair use message on my wall. I do admit though uploaded the full version of the RFJ image, but I thought that since the source stated it was in the PD, no one knew who the original author was, and the place of origin were the image was taken is not in the Berne Convention, that it would be fine to use on Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 07:11, 12 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Why do you always seem to delete the things that I upload? The image was under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported (CC BY-SA 3.0) license.. How could that have been an issue..? ] (]) 11:30, 10 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
== Pashtun people == | |||
"Become familiar with the rules and regulations of Misplaced Pages before inserting an image of ] in the infobox of Pashtun people. He is one of 1000s of poets and that alone is not enough.--] (]) 21:59, 14 September 2014 (UTC)" | |||
Dear Kryzhorse22, | |||
he was not only a poet, he was a politican, he was a philosoph, he did many things. | |||
Or isn't it enough to get his own school in his hometown by the Afghan government? | |||
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--] (]) 16:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
Look man, what you're saying is considered unsourced POV. You must bring reliable sources to support your claim. There are 50 million Pashtuns in the world and this Kabir Stori is not that notable to have his image in infobox. Can't you see the others are kings, queens, presidents and globally recognized Pashtuns. If you keep re-adding the image I'm going to contact admins and they could get you blocked for disruption. Misplaced Pages is not a place to advertise people who you find interesting or are relatives of yours, and etc.--] (]) 18:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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If you continue to call me POV-pusher or if you insult me again (as you just did on my own talkpage), you will be reported to admins! My edits are fully justified. Not only because I have corrected the numbers according to the attached sources (have actually checked the sources?!), but also because I have restored information and quotes that are directly from academic and ''authoritative'' sources. You, on the other hand, keep removing these sources and quotes. What's your problem?! "Afghan" and "Pashtun" are synonyms, "Afghanistan" and "Land of Pashtuns" are synonyms. This is sourced information. It is totally irrelevant if anyone feels insulted by this. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and needs to present facts the way they are, and not the way certain people wish it to be. So this is your last warning: stop removing sourced material! --] (]) 20:45, 8 October 2014 (UTC) | |||
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== Hi Krzyhorse == | |||
I have put some old Uzbek character in Uzbeks page, please don't change it again. if you need references about that individuals proofing that they belong to Turkic tribe of Uzbek, I can provide it. | |||
1- jalaldin Manguberdi: His nick name was manguberdi. in Uzbek language means god given he was born in Urgench city currently located in Uzbekistan. (https://en.wikipedia.org/Urgench). His mother name was Ay chichek. In Turkic Uzbek language Ay means moon an Chichek means flower. so his nick name and mother name is completely Uzbek. besides he was born in an Uzbek city(urgench). | |||
2- Timor Kuragani: He is also from Turkic tribe of Uzbek. The word "Timor" in Uzbek language means Iron, as you see his name is completely Uzbek. also his memory book was written in Turkic language of Uzbek branch. He was born in Kish city near Samarqand. | |||
3- Bobur: He was from descendants of Timorid empire, He was born in Uzbek city of Fergana, He have many poems in Uzbek language. I'll put an example of that: | |||
kim kurubtur ay kong'ol ahli jahanda yakhshiligh - | |||
kim ki andin yakhshi yoq ko'z tutma andin yakhshiligh - | |||
gar zamangha nafi qilalsam ayb qilma ay rafiq - | |||
kormadim hargiz niyatin bo zamandin yakhshiligh - | |||
dilruba lardin yomanligh gildi mahzon kongluma - | |||
gilmadi janimgha hich arami jandan yakhshiligh - | |||
bari eylgha yakhshiligh qilgil ki mondin yakhshi yo'q - | |||
kim digaylar dahr ara qaldi falandan yakhshiligh - | |||
yakhshiligh ahli jahanda istama "bobur" kimi - | |||
kim kurubtur ay kong'ol ahli jahanda yakhshiligh - | |||
This is a song according to lyrics of this poem: | |||
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJBuX6Rn2Wg | |||
4- Alisher Navoi: Nothing say about him to proof him as Uzbek he have bundle of books in Turkic language of Uzbek branch. | |||
5- Ulugh beg: He was grandson of Amir Timor born in Samarqand, only his name proofs every thing that he is Uzbek. in Uzbek language the "ulugh" mean great or enormous and "Bek" means leader of men. so he is completely Uzbek. | |||
I think this much i enough for this time. if you need more proofs I can provide for you. | |||
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Who is Mongol? Timor? Bobur? Alisher Navoi? Jalaludin Manguberdi? Ulug beg? Who are you to put information about Uzbeks? Are you Uzbek? The names speaks everything. I'm new in Misplaced Pages the my fist account had problems I created another, I didn't used for illegal thing. Look there are so many proofs that this individuals are belongs to Turkic tribe of Uzbek. I put an Poem from Bobur, look at that his language is completely like our language. Please try to compare his language with Mongol language then you can decide that he is Uzbek or Mongol. Please study about Alisher Navoi and his Books which written in the age of Timorids. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:39, 20 October 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
== Here I put references from books of some scholars that declared that Amir Timur is Turk not Mongol. == | |||
1- Jawahir Lal Nehru, Timur in history of World, Article 247, " This man was Timur, who wanted to be second Chengiz khan. He claimed to be descended from Chengiz, but he was really a Turk. http://historydepartmentphilos.weebly.com/uploads/2/6/6/1/26612531/jawaharlal_nehru_glimpses_of_world_history.pdf | |||
2- George Sanders, Timur in history of Mongols, "Although his conquest was similar to Chengiz khan, his ethnic was Turk rather to be Mongol. | |||
http://ketabnak.com/redirect.php?dlid=56225 | |||
3- Donald Wibler, Persian Gardens & Garden Pavilions, "Timur which born in 1335 was from descendants of Turkic tribes in Samarqand." | |||
https://one.overdrive.com/media/1400688/persian-gardens-garden-pavilions | |||
4- Hasan Pirnia, Timur in the history of Iran, "Timur was son of Amir Taraghai, some historians claimed that his origin receives to Chengiz Khan, but the correctness of this claim is not certain. even according to some historians (Amir Qarajar nuyan barlas) is not his 5th ancestor. | |||
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Accusations of unsourced POV pushing
Hi Krzyhorse22, just repeating for record and courtesy purposes my warning at Mullah Omar. This is at least the second time you've accused another user, who you disagree with, of not having facts to back their argument, when in actual fact they can bring facts, and the issue is actually one of interpretation (the first time being at Afghan Americans). Please stop accusing other users of 'unsourced POV pushing' in these circumstances. Doing so is unwarranted without basis in fact, and constitutes a WP:Personal Attack. Regards, Buckshot06 (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi again, I was sufficiently concerned about your allegations about my behaviour to check my conduct with another admin, which occurred at User talk:Nick-D#User:Krzyhorse22. Nick is concerned about your behaviour as well. Please avoid accusations of POVpushing, and be civil. Otherwise it is likely you will face further admin action. Buckshot06 (talk) 20:35, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- Where in Misplaced Pages does it says that accusing someone of POV pushing is a personal attack? That other user and you both are expressing your personal opinions, without showing a single RS. Calling Mullah Omar a president or head of state is a personal opinion, it is not supported by any source. Therefore, it constitutes WP:POV pushing in Misplaced Pages, which is discouraged.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:56, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
- WP:NPA#Whatis says '..Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. When in doubt, comment on the article's content without referring to its contributor at all.' Thus saying someone is guilty of 'unsourced POV pushing' counts. Given that I have had my actions in regard to you reviewed, positively, by another admin, and given your disruptive behaviour, I will ask you again, finally, to abide by the rules. Stop accusing the person, and concentrate on the content, or you will be blocked, initially for a short period such as one day. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 01:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- That is precisly what you're doing (i.e., insulting and disparaging me). Also, I'm sure that you're emailing your friends to support you. I say this because no American editor has supported your view, those who sided with you are from Australia and the UK.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Do you realise that you've just done it again? What at all does it matter the nationality of the admin I selected? I work with the admins I know; I don't routinely interact with all 500 plus of them. If you value your editing privileges on WP, please, stop commenting on me personally, and concentrate on whatever my actions are: right at the moment, repeatedly requesting you to remain civil in your discussions with other users, and comment on their references, rather than them! Buckshot06 (talk) 09:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- My point above was that I find you as a non-neutral editor. The way you're approaching me here constitutes, inter alia, harassment. See WP:HARASS, which states: "Harassment is a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons. Usually (but not always) the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing." I advise you to stop arguing with me over who is being civil and who is not, rather contact other admins (not your friends) and ask them if I'm civil or not. That's the way things should be in Misplaced Pages and since you're an admin you should know all of this.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Given that you are making repeated personal attacks, that you've been twice (or depending on how you count it) admonished at ANI for those personal attacks within the last ten days, repeated aspersions about sources without backing them up (such as a blanket claim that 'Head of the Supreme Council' in Afghanistan is a made-up wiki-ism), ignoring consensus at multiple pages, and pushing your own line disruptively beyond a reasonable point, I can only repeat: I am protecting the encyclopedia by monitoring you. Please change your behaviour, and stop flogging the dead horse. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 02:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- The official title in the introduction of Mohammed Omar's article is manifestly contrary to what reliable sources report. As I explained at Talk:Mohammed Omar, he was undisputably Emir of Afghanistan/Commander or leader of the Faithful. . I think you should WP:DROPTHESTICK. To you everything I say is construed as a personal attack. I didn't ignore consensus at muliple pages. Everything else you accuse me of is untrue.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 14:51, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- Given that you are making repeated personal attacks, that you've been twice (or depending on how you count it) admonished at ANI for those personal attacks within the last ten days, repeated aspersions about sources without backing them up (such as a blanket claim that 'Head of the Supreme Council' in Afghanistan is a made-up wiki-ism), ignoring consensus at multiple pages, and pushing your own line disruptively beyond a reasonable point, I can only repeat: I am protecting the encyclopedia by monitoring you. Please change your behaviour, and stop flogging the dead horse. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 02:37, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
- My point above was that I find you as a non-neutral editor. The way you're approaching me here constitutes, inter alia, harassment. See WP:HARASS, which states: "Harassment is a pattern of repeated offensive behavior that appears to a reasonable observer to intentionally target a specific person or persons. Usually (but not always) the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing." I advise you to stop arguing with me over who is being civil and who is not, rather contact other admins (not your friends) and ask them if I'm civil or not. That's the way things should be in Misplaced Pages and since you're an admin you should know all of this.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 09:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- Do you realise that you've just done it again? What at all does it matter the nationality of the admin I selected? I work with the admins I know; I don't routinely interact with all 500 plus of them. If you value your editing privileges on WP, please, stop commenting on me personally, and concentrate on whatever my actions are: right at the moment, repeatedly requesting you to remain civil in your discussions with other users, and comment on their references, rather than them! Buckshot06 (talk) 09:33, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
- That is precisly what you're doing (i.e., insulting and disparaging me). Also, I'm sure that you're emailing your friends to support you. I say this because no American editor has supported your view, those who sided with you are from Australia and the UK.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 08:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- WP:NPA#Whatis says '..Insulting or disparaging an editor is a personal attack regardless of the manner in which it is done. When in doubt, comment on the article's content without referring to its contributor at all.' Thus saying someone is guilty of 'unsourced POV pushing' counts. Given that I have had my actions in regard to you reviewed, positively, by another admin, and given your disruptive behaviour, I will ask you again, finally, to abide by the rules. Stop accusing the person, and concentrate on the content, or you will be blocked, initially for a short period such as one day. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 01:00, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
- Where in Misplaced Pages does it says that accusing someone of POV pushing is a personal attack? That other user and you both are expressing your personal opinions, without showing a single RS. Calling Mullah Omar a president or head of state is a personal opinion, it is not supported by any source. Therefore, it constitutes WP:POV pushing in Misplaced Pages, which is discouraged.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 20:56, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
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Berlin versus Bonn
Thankyou for fixing my error about the location of the 2001 conference. The location was important however: Germany is a big potential donor, and thus having it in Germany was significant, as is also shown by the title of our article. Buckshot06 (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2016 (UTC)
Mentoring
Hi Krzyhorse. I noticed that you would accept mentoring. I would be prepared to mentor you if you still want. You can drop a note here, to discuss how to proceed, and what issues you perceive you are up against. Initial thoughts, try to stay calm, and if you have an issue, or are pissed off, discuss with me before editing. Four eyes are better than two, and talking something out often gives issues a different perspective. And do not immediately counter - edit. There is no stopwatch here. Regards Simon. Irondome (talk) 16:18, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi there. I don't edit much and when I do it's mainly improving Afghan related pages. I find interest in these topics because Afghanistan has long been isolated (sort of like North Korea or Iran). I think the world should know everything about every country and its people. I sometimes notice clearly incorrect information so I just correct it (and cite a more reliable source), and once in a while my correction turns into a dispute which I often avoid. Thanks for your advise, as you can see at Afghan Americans I did not revert but discussed the issue until it was finally resolved at Talk:Afghan Americans.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 23:36, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. Good that you got back. The first priority is to improve you standing on here. With increased confidence from colleagues comes less reversions etc and a growing acceptance of your contributions. I would suggest strongly that for starters you go to the current admin board discussion and apologise. You need to be sincere. Put away your pride. It can blind you. I was like you once. I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather by the way :). Think of the wasted energy in fights that you have had, as opposed to actually improving articles you are interested in. Avoid wasted energy. If you are sincere, we can avoid a topic ban. Second priority is to manage future issues. I suggest you tell me what articles you are working on. I will watchlist them. Please discuss any edits with sources with me first if they are in any way controversial. I suspect that you would be a great asset to Misplaced Pages, if we can get this period of bad blood behind us. You can also teach me about a topic range which I would be very interested in. That's all for now. Please continue dialogue with me. Regards Simon, or Irondome (talk) 00:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Update. We already have a positive outcome, in terms of your agreeing to mentorship and your positive response. We have avoided a topic ban, and the thread is closed. This however is entirely contingent on you working with me closely. This is the fruit of co-operation. From it, I hope you can see how quickly positive outcomes occur. Now we go go forward! Regards, Simon Irondome (talk) 01:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- I should note for both of your information that Krzyhorse22's questioning of reliable sources regarding Omar's status as Head of the Supreme Council of Afghanistan has not taken place in the correct manner. He has previously edit-warred removal of sourced, reliable content describing Omar as Head of State, and HSC, from 1996. I intend to restore the previously existing wording; should someone wish to question reliability of sources, the place is the talkpage, but consensus there is for inclusion of the material, and thus the next forum is WP:RSN. Buckshot06 (talk) 05:27, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Your intervention at this early stage is unhelpful. I shall be discussing this with my mentoree when he resumes dialogue with me. I require that you have no contact with this user at this stage, and to take no unagreed action. Irondome (talk) 05:38, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- My apologies Irondome; I meant only to inform you both at the same time. Apologies again. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 06:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Admin slapdown! It's The Only Way To Be Sure 79.68.139.189 (talk)
- Thank you Irondome, I will follow your good advise. Btw, I had no intention to get anyone blocked so I'm glad that report was closed. Regarding Omar's page, I didn't remove anything but rather improved it and rephrased the claim consistent with the sources. The bald claim, "He was head of state of Afghanistan, under the title "Head of the Supreme Council," from 1996 to late 2001", is problematic because it's well known that the UN never recognized him as such. I think that position was Mohammad Rabbanis', it's like claiming that Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Everybody knew that Omar was a spiritual leader, something like Ruhollah Khomeini, Ahmed Yassin or to some extent like the Pope. His followers (the Taliban) with assistance from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda wanted to conquer lands far beyond Afghanistan. All of this was interrupted when the 2001-present war began in that country. Therefore, he started a form of Islamic monarchy. That's why Encyclopædia Britannica states that he "was emir of Afghanistan." When it comes to souces, it's not about quantity but quality. The sources used for "Head of the Supreme Council" are too vague, they're news reports by amateurs who fail to cite any references. I had addressed that iassue at Talk:Mohammed Omar and to some extent Buckshot06 agreed with my findind. We should avoid making this kind of bald claim, especially in the lead of an article about such a notable person. It should also be noted that Omar's authority was not accepted by many Afghans. They were sort of like slaves, according to Hamid Karzai and majority of the Afghans.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi Krzyhorse. That is very useful to me, and gives a good over-view of your areas of work. It also indicates your abilities and why this mentoring is essential. You have a good future here, and I am sure that you and Buckshot and others can work together without giving each other stress and grief. Because that's all fighting on wiki does. Now, I would like you to give me your list of articles that you have been working on so I can watchlist them if could take the time to. I have an idea but I would like you to confirm them. You are doing well my friend. You interacting with me constructively regarding real issues and how mentorship is to go forward is a good sign. Simon Irondome (talk) 20:33, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you Irondome, I will follow your good advise. Btw, I had no intention to get anyone blocked so I'm glad that report was closed. Regarding Omar's page, I didn't remove anything but rather improved it and rephrased the claim consistent with the sources. The bald claim, "He was head of state of Afghanistan, under the title "Head of the Supreme Council," from 1996 to late 2001", is problematic because it's well known that the UN never recognized him as such. I think that position was Mohammad Rabbanis', it's like claiming that Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, is Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. Everybody knew that Omar was a spiritual leader, something like Ruhollah Khomeini, Ahmed Yassin or to some extent like the Pope. His followers (the Taliban) with assistance from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda wanted to conquer lands far beyond Afghanistan. All of this was interrupted when the 2001-present war began in that country. Therefore, he started a form of Islamic monarchy. That's why Encyclopædia Britannica states that he "was emir of Afghanistan." When it comes to souces, it's not about quantity but quality. The sources used for "Head of the Supreme Council" are too vague, they're news reports by amateurs who fail to cite any references. I had addressed that iassue at Talk:Mohammed Omar and to some extent Buckshot06 agreed with my findind. We should avoid making this kind of bald claim, especially in the lead of an article about such a notable person. It should also be noted that Omar's authority was not accepted by many Afghans. They were sort of like slaves, according to Hamid Karzai and majority of the Afghans.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 19:56, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Admin slapdown! It's The Only Way To Be Sure 79.68.139.189 (talk)
- My apologies Irondome; I meant only to inform you both at the same time. Apologies again. Regards Buckshot06 (talk) 06:49, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Update. We already have a positive outcome, in terms of your agreeing to mentorship and your positive response. We have avoided a topic ban, and the thread is closed. This however is entirely contingent on you working with me closely. This is the fruit of co-operation. From it, I hope you can see how quickly positive outcomes occur. Now we go go forward! Regards, Simon Irondome (talk) 01:24, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
- Hi. Good that you got back. The first priority is to improve you standing on here. With increased confidence from colleagues comes less reversions etc and a growing acceptance of your contributions. I would suggest strongly that for starters you go to the current admin board discussion and apologise. You need to be sincere. Put away your pride. It can blind you. I was like you once. I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather by the way :). Think of the wasted energy in fights that you have had, as opposed to actually improving articles you are interested in. Avoid wasted energy. If you are sincere, we can avoid a topic ban. Second priority is to manage future issues. I suggest you tell me what articles you are working on. I will watchlist them. Please discuss any edits with sources with me first if they are in any way controversial. I suspect that you would be a great asset to Misplaced Pages, if we can get this period of bad blood behind us. You can also teach me about a topic range which I would be very interested in. That's all for now. Please continue dialogue with me. Regards Simon, or Irondome (talk) 00:35, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Mentorship # 1. Behaviours
- This section Krzyhorse, is about behaviours, and what triggers bad reactions in you when editing. My T/P we will use as a safe space for interacting with others when we edit again, before committing material to Article T/P's for discussion. Others are welcome there too.
- What are the top 3 things which make you lose your cool when editing? (no time limit on this, respond when you have given it thought) Irondome (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2016 (UTC)
Your garbage edits on Pakistani American
Please stop adding undue pov edits on this article focus on Afghani terrorists living in USA first. Maybe list them before vandalising other pages. 2A02:C7D:14FC:C600:C167:5FC4:4602:EAB6 (talk) 19:59, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
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Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Lagoo sab/Archive
Hello. After reviewing the circumstantial evidence, I find it very convincing the argument that you are in fact Lagoo sab. From what I've observed, it seems you've gotten along in Misplaced Pages because administrators (understandably) don't want to touch the subject with a 10 foot poll. We had an ANI thread where the majority of the community wanted to see you topic banned. We also have the same behaviors that got your account blocked in the first place: wildly pugnacious/rude behavior and decidedly non-neutral edits.
If you had found a way to be on here without continuing to advance an agenda and be a huge jerk about it, you probably could have flown under the radar. But you caught several people's eyes, and they've put together evidence that is quite clear. If I were in a jury, and you were standing in front of me, I would absolutely vote to convict. Which I have done, in a sense by blocking your account. Magog the Ogre (t • c) 00:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Have no idea who you are and what you're on to, it's only the internet so you can call me anything you want (I don't mind). I happen to be a lawyer in real life who charge $350-$400 per hour. I do mostly civil cases, I'm one of the best. Thanks for blocking me.--Krzyhorse22 (talk) 04:56, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Happy Eid!
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