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==Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors== ==Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors==
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Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.<br><center><small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center>
<small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small>
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Don't have energy to post separately. Especially for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months.<br><center><small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)</center>

<br><small>Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.</small>
== Your return is eagerly awaited !!!! ==

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.] (]) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... {{Smiley}} <small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

::Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.] (]) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

:::Hmmm, gives me ''yet another idea''. A quickie video like on ] with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== A barnstar for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Misplaced Pages. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. ] (]) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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== Thanks ==

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. ] (]) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

:Guess Misplaced Pages needs a wikilove puppy lobby! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

== A pie for you! ==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Misplaced Pages sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --] (]) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
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*Mucho gracias, senor naughty! <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
:: One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --] (]) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Kitten ==

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Misplaced Pages was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? ] (]) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

:Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Kitten (2) ==

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --] (]) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

== Good luck ==
Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with . I look forward to your return. -- ] (]) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)
:Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Misplaced Pages, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. ] (]) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*Will just drop here, for anyone interested, that Slate published an article today noting the incredible results of the arbitration, very negative piece. --''']''' • <small><sup style="position:relative">]<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-3.2ex;*left:-5.5ex;">]</span></sup></small> 20:01, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
*:Interesting to see a summary from an external world view. I have added the link to ]. --] (]) 20:36, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

:Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at ]. ] (]) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

::FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Misplaced Pages's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: ]. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment ''after'' Arbcom voted to ban me.) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

== You haven't been forgotten ==
This member of ], hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. ] (]) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
:Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
::I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( ] (]) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Carol. <b><font color ="#0000cc">''North8000''</font></b> (]) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --] (]) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

:Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

== Shooting of Al Hallaq ==

I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at ]. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.
:Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

==Limited editing rights==
I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)
:Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us? :-) Sincerely, <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
::Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
:::Cool! <b style="color: #0000cc;">''North8000''</b> (]) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
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:Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

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:Misplaced Pages is in pretty sad shape with so many articles outdated. But I hear women editors still regularly harassed for daring to correct poor male editing so I'll pass. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 11:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
::I heard you were working on your own stuff back four years ago. If you have sorted things out, I hope you would return to editing, so that there are less outdated articles :). If people harass you, stay civil to avoid boomerang, then get them sanctioned at ANI, don't listen to the loud minority! ] (]) 23:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for thinking of me!! Despite many interruptions having to fight patriarchal abuse in probate court and in an apartment situation, I am still working on my own stuff. Now that I'm getting the hang of self-publishing and AI, I've got several books to finish off and get out there before my 76 year old body gets to be 85 and too old. U/C willing. ;-)
:::Even if I did somehow avoid editing on articles where guys don't throw tantrums at the slightest touch to their sacred edits, it would still be too much temptation to add material that stalkers - old and new - would find fault with. But I still give Misplaced Pages $20 odd bucks year and use it and refer others to it freely. I even defend use of it as a source - for sources anyway - when others joke about it. So that continues to be my contribution. And your email did finally get me to ask the question to which this WikiFoundation article is a partial answer. ] <small>'''] (])'''</small> 15:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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== Blocked ==


This , repeated on Jimbo Wales' talkpage is so far beyond the line that I have blocked you. It seems likely that you will be banned rather soon anyway, so I suggest that if you feel a pressing need to make some other (constructive) contributions to the arb proceedings until that time, you'd better contact the committee by mail directly. ] ] 14:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


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: <small>'''] (])'''</small> 14:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


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:Please note that I , explicitly about sexualized personal attacks such as "gang bang". I was in fact typing up my own block notice, Future Perfect got there just before me. ] &#124; ] 14:55, 25 November 2014 (UTC).
My proposal to make extensive changes to ] was a bust, primarily because many users felt that the term "Senior Wikipedian" implied a higher ranking Misplaced Pages membership. Therefore, I am making two less ambitious proposals:


:Proposal #1. Change the name of "WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older" to "]".
::Carol, when you've only got to convince ''one'' arbitrator to change its vote to ''oppose'', it's best not to rock the boat. Recommend you stay away from the page-in-question. ] (]) 15:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:Proposal #2. Drop the minimum age requirement to 60&nbsp;years.


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:::@] shows her ignorance. Probably more guys get gang banged by other guys in prison, torture chambers, fraternities, and militaries worldwide than women. It's actually a gender neutral term. (Not to mention "gang bangers" is a phrase for members of gangs who may or may not do any sexual gang bangs of males or females. So it's appropriate for individuals in question.) You say "attacks" - are their other terms you do not understand?
:::Again, ArbCom dare not sanction King Corbett without having a couple sacrifices to throw to his subjects, like me and Neotarf. It's a joke. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 16:49, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::: Where was gender mentioned? Rape is rape no matter the gender of the victim, surely?&nbsp;] 17:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::My point exactly. Bishonen should apologize to all the guys who have been raped and to all the gang bangers who haven't raped anyone. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 17:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::: Now I am even more confused as to your point.&nbsp;] 17:24, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::Carol, that's quite enough of this line of discussion. I get that you're angry and trying to make a point, but it is absolutely unacceptable to...well, to do most of the things you're doing right now: compare other Wikipedians to rapists (or gang members), belittle male victims of rape, defend your saying horrible things about people because it happens to women too so it must be ok to do to men...none of those things are ok, and if you continue doing them I or someone else is going to have to remove your access to this talk page to stop them happening. You're blocked; you're intended to use your talk page to discuss and appeal the block, not continue any and all disputes you aren't able to let go of. Please give some thought to whether moderating yourself, even just somewhat, is more likely to pay off for you than continuing in the vein you've been going along in. ] (]) 17:27, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::{{ec}}In my version of the English language, "gangbanger" means someone who has taken an active part in a gang rape, and is therefore a shocking insult, quite inappropriate to use in this context. Throwing it around as an insult demeans all victims of rape by likening their ordeal to having a few nasty things said about them online. Get real, please. ]] 17:32, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::Having looked further (because I'm a retired librarian): WP has a dab page giving two meanings of ]; gives 3 meanings including "someone who gangbangs", and the def of the verb "gangbang" doesn't quite include rape explicitly; OED defines "gangbanger" as "A member of a criminal or street gang, esp. one who engages in gang violence; a gangster"; but to me personally, female 60+ UK English-speaker, it still sounds like a rapist. ]] 18:03, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
{{od}} {{tps}}Where I come from "gang bang" implies sex, but not necessarily rape (there is a whole genre of porn for it, some of which simulates rape, some of which is just an orgy involving only one girl). "Gang-banger" is a term for one who is in a gang, but does not specifically imply that the participate in gang-bangs. Its more of a synonym for thug/gangste/etc). Although I think Carol's post was improper for other reasons, I don't read it as her accusing anyone of actual rapes (even figurative ones). However, as part of the larger dispute here is that different words mean different things to different people, I do not preclude the possibility that people in other areas would read it as a sexual reference. ] (]) 18:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:I agree that in some cases the word gangbang implies sex or in some way alludes in some metaphorical way to sex. Also, to Carol, I really would suggest that you follow the advice of Fluffernutter above. There are only a very few uses of user talk pages considered acceptable by users who are actively blocked, and any editing not included in those acceptable uses can and often does lead to the ability to edit even that restricted. ] (]) 18:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
*I don't agree with this block. Yes, Carol is expressing herself forcefully, but I don't see that as a reason to shut her down for a week. The issue at hand is of considerable importance to numerous Wikipedians, some of whom may have difficulty standing up to the intimidating culture here, and a block at this juncture is counterproductive to open debate. I'd say it compounds the problem. ]]] 19:13, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::First, if someone ''only'' mentions I'm blocked because they don't understand what a word means, it's my right to define it. And if others want to add other understandings or clarifications, that is fine too.
::Second, the only phrase of relevance here is "Manchester Gangbangers". Living in the US I heard the phrase used a lot to describe gangs of males who engage in thuggish behavior. That's the way I see the year or more of harassment and the harassment since I joined GGTF, and especially since September, including at Arbitration by friends of Manchester editors. If you all choose to think more of it than that, whatever.
::Thanks for reminding me that sexual gang bangs ''can be consensual'' and I have heard that way, most in gay culture, but also sometimes involving women who like it (like a roommate I had who I had to ask to leave after a week) or who agree to please their guys, as in biker culture. (Though we can debate how "consensual" the latter really is.) <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:11, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
*The irony. "Gang banger" in the US means member of a gang. The phrase is not used in the UK ''at all'' but the nearest term is "gang bang" (I.e. group sex) so a British person would assume that "gang banger" would only refer to a participant in group sex. Wait, wasn't there a US/non-US disagreement over what another word meant recently...? ] (]) 22:31, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::The difference being that "gang banger" as member of a gang ''can'' be gangs that include women and even are made up entirely of women. The Manchester gang obviously includes both. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:35, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::You did understand what I said, right? ] (]) 22:41, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::I understand you are making a false comparison between c*nt and gangbanger. Did I miss something else? <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:42, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::And you think it's false because you can have women gangbangers? Priceless. ] (]) 22:45, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::If the Brits are ignorant of the primary US meaning of a word, known by a hundred million plus Americans, now they've learned it. However, they (and most Brits I'm sure) know exactly how it's used in US and have heard numerous protestations. So again, no comparison. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 22:53, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
:::::::If you genuinely fail to see the irony of what you're saying then it really does explain how you've got yourself into this situation. ] (]) 22:58, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::::No I got myself in this situation because guys kept harassing me with BS comments, including ones like this they refuse to explain in plain English, and from time to time I lost my temper. Happily, I am liberated from all that kind of nonsense. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 23:02, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
*Carol, you were blocked for making personal attacks, not for using non-gender-neutral language. Read Fluffernutter's post again. Take a day off, then come back, think things over again, and make an unblock request. If you continue as you are right now somebody is going to simply remove your talk page access. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 23:03, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


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===Ban from Gender Gap Task Force case pages===
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As a result of your poor conduct on the case pages, in spite of Bishonen's warning and ], I am, as an arbitration clerk, taking the additional action of barring you from participating on any of the Gender Gap Task Force case pages. For clarity, this means no editing the main case page, evidence page, workshop page, proposed decision page, or any of those pages' talk pages. This restriction is enforceable by block, if necessary. ] <sup>(]•]•]•])</sup> 20:15, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
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:I thought of "Retired" Wikipedians which sounded good at first. Then I realized it sounds like "Retired from Misplaced Pages", not retired from working full time. How about MATURE? that has a good double entendre meaning. hahaha
:But I'm too busy to come back and fight with prejudiced and privileged macho people with penises (to be PC) like the ones who got me kicked off last time. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 21:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)


{{unblock reviewed|1=I request that ] be unblocked from the English language Misplaced Pages. She was blocked indefinitely on December 1, 2014, and I think ten years is quite a long time to block a productive user. I need Carol to help me with ]. Yours aye, ]<span style="font-size:75%;vertical-align:middle;"> ] ]</span> 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)|decline=Procedural decline. We don't accept third party requests. This is also not a simple block, it is a ban imposed by the Arbitration Committee. This user needs to appeal to the Committee directly. ] (]) 01:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) }}
====Why the ban is nonsense====
:]: Because you guys don't understand "gang bangers" in the US means gang members and can include women and even be ''all'' women? Sure, block me for saying things I think are true about the "Manchester gangbangers". But it's pretty far stretch to ban me from GGTF for saying it's some sort of sexual attack. That means any one you want to ban from any project can be banned cause a Admin doesn't understand what a word means? Someone ask him about that at ]. Thanks. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 21:57, 25 November 2014 (UTC)


Live and learn... they don't let 3rd parties appeal and I ain't a gonna. Thanks anyway. <small>'''] (])'''</small> 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
*Bad block. Plz undo.] 23:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

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ON A LONG WIKIBREAK! YAY!!
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Last of the Mohicans

The Working Man's Barnstar
For being the "Last of the Mohicans"--one of the few women who has not been driven off the Gender Gap Task Force or the GGTF ArbCom case.

Hi, Carolmooredc. I have seen this rather amusing barnstar floating around and cannot think of anyone who deserves it more than you do. You have continued to Assume Good Faith, and have patiently answered even the most hostile statements, long after anyone else would have lost patience and concluded that they were being trolled. Just for the record, this is no longer a gender-specific barnstar, but the irony of the original version is just too perfect. Regards, —Neotarf (talk) 13:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I actually looked up WP:NOTSUICIDE and I don't get it. As I asked at talk "Does it mean we can kick obvious trolls butts? Or that we should quit rather than commit suicide?" Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 13:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Ha, ha, enjoy. —Neotarf (talk) 15:01, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Feminists Engage Misplaced Pages

The Feminists Engage Misplaced Pages Award!
If Adrianne Wadewitz were here, she'd give you this award for all you have done! Djembayz (talk) 23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Back at ya! But you know my definition of feminist: any woman who doesn't take any bull in any part of her life. So that's most of 3.6 billion women on the planet :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 23:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Kittens and puppies for helpful and friendly editors

Don't have energy to post separately. These are for those who have seen through the nonsense of the last six months, whether or not you have yet chosen to speak out.

Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:24, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Also feel free to delete any of those negative/nasty/harassing comments I always get if anyone leaves them here, since I probably won't be allowed to.

Your return is eagerly awaited !!!!

Loved the kittens !!! Lots of people eagerly await your return. IMO, you are getting the rough treatment because they were powerless to protect you from those out to harass you. So, they cover their own weakness in this way. What other option do they have ? In a way, I approve that you should leave, rather than suffer for contributing in a community which failed you with its inability to stop the harassers. Best.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:24, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Being a glass half-filled optimist, I see reform as inevitable, even if I retire to my jacuzzi and my polo matches. Right... Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Reform is inevitable. It is just a question of how many people must suffer, and be scapegoated/sacrificed like you, before the community comes to its senses.OrangesRyellow (talk) 15:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm, gives me yet another idea. A quickie video like on Talking Dead with the names of "this decades departed" scrolling by to dirge music with faded death masks as background. Of course, I'm sure there were a few who really did deserve it. I even supported one myself once! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Special Barnstar
Please accept this barnstar in recognition of your attempts to change the current culture of Misplaced Pages. I hope you return with a renewed passion for the project and keep your sense of humour. In the meantime, do take a look at other open knowledge projects, there are plenty that deliver excellent worthwhile outcomes, not only encyclopaedias. Commons, for example, has far less self-feeding dramah and far fewer wikilawyers. Fæ (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for the adorable kittens! I may have a dog now but I grew up a cat person and I still love them.

I wish things had worked out differently. I hope to see you back as soon as possible. Until then, may your days be filled with relaxation, happiness, and kittens. Ca2james (talk) 17:23, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Guess Misplaced Pages needs a wikilove puppy lobby! Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 22:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Many thanks for the adorable kitten you delivered to my talk page. I have used it as an ingredient in this delicious hot meat pie; please have a slice and take a moment to savour the taste and enjoy simpler pleasures. (Or, if vegetarian pies are preferred, you could leave this one for meat-eating friends.) I hope to see you back on Misplaced Pages sooner rather than later. Gender equality here needs all the help it can get - not to mention civility, neutrality, and other oft-ignored principles. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)
One more. I am so sorry, Carol. Best wishes to you. --GRuban (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Kitten

Thank you for the kitten, which I will move to my user page. If you mean that Misplaced Pages was dragging you in and that the ArbCom case is letting you try something else in your retirement, so be it. But if you choose to come back after your time is served, you won't be a septuagenarian, but still a sexagenarian. I can do the arithmetic as well as you can, except that I don't have to do the arithmetic, because I'm a '48er also. I'm not that far from you either in time or in space (only, evidently, in gender). My sympathies or something.

I suppose that, as a libertarian, you have very mixed feelings about the late Mr. Barry. What ward are you in? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Onward and upward and all that. I'm in ward 5. Met Barry in 1988 and he was definitely a charismatic figure. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 04:44, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Kitten (2)

I will do my best. Enjoy your Wikibreak. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Good luck

Good luck Carol. I entirely agree with Tarc's remark. I look forward to your return. -- C1cada (talk) 23:25, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Good luck Carol! I just saw the news of your ban, and find that rather unfortunate. We need more people voicing in a radical way critiques of gender equality on Misplaced Pages, and its a real shame that it came back to bite you. I didn't follow the conversation, but hope it doesn't discourage you from continuing in some capacity in shaping the Wikimedia community to better recognize harassment in the community. Sadads (talk) 19:52, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
Hm, that's quite a solid source for an entry at list of Misplaced Pages controversies. Tarc (talk) 21:02, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, I kept providing this link to editors and Arbitrators during Arbitration to show just how obsessed the media is with Misplaced Pages's gendergap, but they didn't believe me: Misplaced Pages gender gap-related Media hits. (Note: I only made the Slate-quoted comment after Arbcom voted to ban me.) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:12, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

You haven't been forgotten

This member of WP:RETENTION, hopes you'll decide to return & Arbcom will reinstate you. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Still years behind on my own projects, so not going to be tempted to return for a while. Plus I'd rather wait til Mediation program significantly beefed up, with paid Mediators if necessary, so I don't waste time in stupid arguments. Hopefully new arbitrators more savvy on wide variety of GGTF-type issues. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 12:00, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
I agree with you and I hope that Arbcom reinstate you as soon as possible. You should never have been banned! :( 91.125.81.13 (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Carol. North8000 (talk) 10:49, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Ping. How about putting an unblock request in your diary for sometime this year? --Fæ (talk) 10:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for undoing redirect. I'm really busy on a deadline for a bunch of things, plus I have become more overtly politically active than I was during wiki editing years, so between the two don't need the distraction and temptation of editing, plus any resultant controversies! ha ha :-) Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Shooting of Al Hallaq

I got your contact from a comment you made back in 2008 about the organized pro Israeli groups that are working to suppress any information about the atrocities that Israel commit on a daily basis in Palestine. The autistic Palestinian man who was murdered in Jerusalem more than a month ago is being victimized again by the pro Israel editors by suppressing any information related to the incident no matter how neutral and reliable it is. Please see the article and the talking point at Shooting of Eyad al-Hallaq. I can't edit the article because it's subject to the 500/30 rule but you may be able to. Thank you.

Sorry I got kicked off six years ago for being politically INcorrect - i.e., snarky while being female. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 08:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Limited editing rights

I won't try to get back on wikipedia again as a full-service editor again for many reasons. But I come across SO MANY articles that are outdated now a days and do need Updating, it would be nice to have the Wiki-legal right to at least put a "this page needs updating" banner on top. Like this one. Prompt Global Strike Then leave it up to fate if anyone bothers. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 16:48, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

Carol, there's no such distinction available. Why not just ask to ask to come back fully and take a mellow pill and have some fun here with us?  :-) Sincerely, North8000 (talk) 02:34, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Can't come back cause too much of own writing to do and if I came back I'd be tempted to do a little editing and then the problems would inevitably start with outraged male editors because of whatever excuse they got... Not getting any younger so gotta work on my own stuff, now that I'm retired with enough time and money to do it. Unless Biden and the bureaucrats figure out how to loot us oldsters. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Cool! North8000 (talk) 02:50, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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Too bad they don't have a thumbnail so you'll know which cover it is. Anyway there's probably more recent one than what I uploaded. The was Kohrs most influential book. I guess i can put it on commons and let whoever might be editing put it up there. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 14:04, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Senior Wikipedians

WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older has been inactive for some time. The following three proposals may help invigorate this project.

  1. Change the name of this project to WikiProject Senior Wikipedians.
  2. Open membership in this project to users who are at least 60 years of age and have made at least 50 edits in the past year.
  3. Open supporting membership in this project to users who are less than 60 years old but have made at least 50 edits in the past year and support the goals of this project.

Suggested goals for this project:

  1. To support collaboration and communication among members for the advancement and improvement of Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia movement.
  2. To encourage older people, retired people, and soon-to-be-retired people to participate in Misplaced Pages both for the advancement of the encyclopedia and for their own personal enjoyment.
  3. To encourage older people to share their experience and expertise for the improvement of Misplaced Pages.
  4. To encourage older users to use their experience and expertise to help younger and less experienced users.
  5. To encourage participation in local and regional Wikimedia events.
  6. To sponsor Misplaced Pages meetings and classes at places where older people gather.
  7. To advocate for the elimination of ageism and sexism in Misplaced Pages and the Wikimedia movement.

Notes

  1. The current name of this project, WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older, is somewhat cumbersome and excludes participation by any users under the age of 70 years.
  2. This current minimum age limit of this project is 70 years. A minimum age limit of 60 years should permit the participation of most retired users. The minimum activity level of 50 edits per year is arbitrary. A minimum activity level indicates continued interest. Members who do not meet the minimum activity level shall be moved to inactive status. Members who have died shall be moved to memorial status.
  3. A new class of Supporting Members allows those users under 60 years to support the goals of the project. Users approaching the age of 60 years may wish to become supporting members in anticipation of reaching the minimum age limit for members.

Please add your suggestions for this project at Senior Wikipedians. Thank you,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 01:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages is in pretty sad shape with so many articles outdated. But I hear women editors still regularly harassed for daring to correct poor male editing so I'll pass. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 11:11, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
I heard you were working on your own stuff back four years ago. If you have sorted things out, I hope you would return to editing, so that there are less outdated articles :). If people harass you, stay civil to avoid boomerang, then get them sanctioned at ANI, don't listen to the loud minority! Sir Kenneth Kho (talk) 23:57, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for thinking of me!! Despite many interruptions having to fight patriarchal abuse in probate court and in an apartment situation, I am still working on my own stuff. Now that I'm getting the hang of self-publishing and AI, I've got several books to finish off and get out there before my 76 year old body gets to be 85 and too old. U/C willing. ;-)
Even if I did somehow avoid editing on articles where guys don't throw tantrums at the slightest touch to their sacred edits, it would still be too much temptation to add material that stalkers - old and new - would find fault with. But I still give Misplaced Pages $20 odd bucks year and use it and refer others to it freely. I even defend use of it as a source - for sources anyway - when others joke about it. So that continues to be my contribution. And your email did finally get me to ask the question to which this WikiFoundation article is a partial answer. Misplaced Pages’s value in the age of generative AI Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

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Elder Wikipedians

WikiProject Elder Wikipedians

My proposal to make extensive changes to WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older was a bust, primarily because many users felt that the term "Senior Wikipedian" implied a higher ranking Misplaced Pages membership. Therefore, I am making two less ambitious proposals:

Proposal #1. Change the name of "WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older" to "WikiProject Elder Wikipedians".
Proposal #2. Drop the minimum age requirement to 60 years.

Please respond to Elder Wikipedians and let us know what you think of each of these proposals.
Thank you,  Buaidh  talk e-mail

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:32, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

I thought of "Retired" Wikipedians which sounded good at first. Then I realized it sounds like "Retired from Misplaced Pages", not retired from working full time. How about MATURE? that has a good double entendre meaning. hahaha
But I'm too busy to come back and fight with prejudiced and privileged macho people with penises (to be PC) like the ones who got me kicked off last time. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 21:04, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Carolmooredc (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I request that User:Carolmooredc be unblocked from the English language Misplaced Pages. She was blocked indefinitely on December 1, 2014, and I think ten years is quite a long time to block a productive user. I need Carol to help me with WikiProject Wikipedians aged 70 and older. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Decline reason:

Procedural decline. We don't accept third party requests. This is also not a simple block, it is a ban imposed by the Arbitration Committee. This user needs to appeal to the Committee directly. 331dot (talk) 01:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Live and learn... they don't let 3rd parties appeal and I ain't a gonna. Thanks anyway. Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)