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==Evidence presented by Retartist== |
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===Tarc Ignores the ] pillar=== |
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:The above links are tarc removing warnings (which he is allowed to do) of people warning him for uncivil behaviour |
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:The following diff is of tarc claiming that ] can be ignored. |
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== Evidence presented by Tstormcandy == |
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For my rationale as to why I chose to become involved in the case please see ].<br /> |
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To preface, I would like to point the Committee to precedent set at ] which states that ArbCom can and will consider certain off-Wiki activity as part of final decision principles and findings of fact. I will be linking to less traditional sources, but only because there is no other way to display evidence. |
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===Involved editors have been targets of deliberate harassment=== |
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Some of the users listed as involved parties in this case have been specifically targeted by external forces for additional scrutiny and potential harassment. Though this does not excuse user actions it may help explain some of the stresses and behaviors displayed in other evidence and should be taken into account as state of mind of the editors. One very recent example is seen here. This is a thread on a forum sympathetic to the goals of other parties listed as involved in this case and countless others. |
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Found as another extension of an off-Wiki forum is this ] file, detailing how persons should complete an "operation" to "dig through" post histories of particular users for the sake of gathering obstructionist evidence for collection and reproduction. In this one case, users ], ], ], ] and ] are singled out as "The five horsemen of Misplaced Pages". |
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===Off-wiki collaborating is disrupting the Encyclopedia=== |
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This direct quote states some named parties specifically. It discusses a matter that should be occurring within this case. |
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''"Best result includes ] desysopped, ] desysopped, ] banned from wikipedia and general sanctions against WP:Feminism for brigading articles to promote their viewpoint."'' |
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Users ] and ] are singled out quite frequently, with screen captures of some of their discussion edits posted. I would welcome the behavior of these users be examined the same as any others. |
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The task of collaboration and research resulted in many edits at incident boards and even on the talk page of ] (as the text file instructs) many times; among others. A short list of AN, ANI and other incident reports can be found in the case examples of previous resolution methods attempted. |
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By extension of the suggested collaboration and cases of users following through with it we get a large amount of ] happening within this topic. Such bullying must not be permitted on Misplaced Pages and editors should feel safe in the process of following standard Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines without being threatened. I implore the committee to not "let the bullies win" in this case via their collaborations off-site disrupting normal activities. <b>♪</b> <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps">]]</span> 23:32, 27 November 2014 (UTC) |
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*Here's another offsite thread that was created merely to warn people that I had used the first link to as evidence of offsite collusion. <b>♪</b> <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps">]]</span> 05:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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Edited: <b>♪</b> <span style="font-family:Verdana;font-variant:small-caps">]]</span> 06:38, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by Masem== |
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===Ownership and refusal for consensus development=== |
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(''I will be proving diffs to support this in next few days'') |
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There is no question that Gamergate is a troubling situation for WP, due to the fact that the "proGG" side have been trying to significantly influence the article, administration, and this case, though not always in a malicious manner, just clumsy and/or unworkable. It should be clear that the coverage of GG is predominately against proGG (there are few RSes that give a leaderless anonymous online effort any time of day particularly as the proGG efforts include criticizing and attacking those RSes, in addition to the fact that there is the harassment/threats of female figures attached to the situation - no one really is ready to give them any positive coverage). There's little we can do while staying within reliable sourcing policy like ] and ] and ], so there is no way that the GG article can be (at the current time) very favorable of the proGG position, and hence the need to enforce some decorum on the behavior of ]s and unsigned editors who can't contribute towards that. |
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That said, these same facts have been used by a number of editors who have refused to engage in efforts to build consensus as mitigate the ''tone'' of the article and engaged in ] behavior to maintain their version; these include (but not limited to) Ryulong, NorthBySouthBaranof, TheRedPenOfDoom, and TaraInDC. I believe they have very strong feelings against the proGG side of the story (aka sympathy for those who were harassed), which itself is not a problem until it gets in the way of constructive editing, as their edits and behavior to the article have clearly tainted the approach of the article and has made it difficult or impossible to work with. They early on established a ''persona non grata'' approach to the proGG SPAs trying to influence the article, and continue to claim that all that the article needs are methods to deal with SPAs (see associated case statements). This has been their excuse to refuse to participate in other dispute resolution methods, including formal mediation . |
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There's probably many other problems with the article from other contributions, but this group of editors have been the largest contributors to the article (outside myself), and while they are adding material w/ sources and the like that meets the base WP polices for V, NOR, and NPOV, they have used a structure and language that I and other editors believe is far from the impartial nature that ] demands for an encyclopedia article. While this starts getting into content-related issues which I know ArbCom generally does not comment on, understanding what issues that I and others have seen is part of the behavior problems: |
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* Part of the issue is the nature of the press's role in Gamergate, in that they are involved parties, moreso at the video game and tech sources since proGG are trying to directly impact their ad funding. As such, the press has every reason to be negative of the movement, and many have flat out called the movement as a whole "misogynistic" due to the nature of the harassment. I want to stress this doesn't invalid these as sources, but we have to understand the difference between facts and opinions expressed in these These editors want to have WP's article call the movement out as misogynistic in WP's voice instead of stating it as the widestream press's opinion. This has been argued through ''many'' times, pointing that other articles for strongly-disliked groups by the public, like ] and ] put all such criticism in the approach non-WP statement instead of in WP's voice, but they shut down and refuse to accept this distinction, claiming that what the RSes state is absolute. |
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* There are some neutral statements about the proGG's stance on their desire to change ethics from good reliable sources, as well as the nature of this being a "movement". But these editors focus too much on the press's stance that because of the harassment issues, that there can be no "movement" or their "ethics" cries are false fronts; as such they reject attempts to write sections of the article in a different structure or a more impartial manner to present these points without ridicule. |
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A key part is, 90% of the article, in my opinion, is fine in light of what the sources give - there's good proper sourcing, and telling the story per ]; it does need trimming, some smoothing of what are now minor points (it does suffer from ]), some ] edits, which most agree to, and could use a re-organization in light of these. But the impartialness, also a requirement of ] can be fixed, in my opinion, simply by reworking some language order, word choices, and general article structure without loosing any of the key points or verving away from the net impression that the GG side has been broadly condemned by the VG industry and public at large, but I and other editors cannot convince this small group to go in this direction, because they seem unable to separate their strong feelings against proGG from editing the article, and reject these changes or refuse to accept that the article is written as an attack article towards the proGG side in WP's voice. This has led to long-standard conflict over the article that needs arbitration, as to assure that we actually have processes to get better consensus, and if possible (as that is more content related) on what WP's stance should be on writing impartial articles in light of the issues Gamergate presents. --] (]) 01:53, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by NorthBySouthBaranof== |
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===Gamergate supporters have attempted to use Misplaced Pages as a platform to attack their opponents=== |
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There has been a long-term campaign by Gamergate supporters to use Misplaced Pages's articles related to the controversy as a platform to further their movement's harassment and smear campaign against, among others, Zoe Quinn, Anita Sarkeesian and Brianna Wu — in defiance of reliable sources, the Biographies of living persons policy and human decency. This has involved the insertion of unfounded, illegitimate and false allegations about those people, vulgar and vile slurs, insensitive treatment, etc. and has resulted in dozens, if not hundreds, of revision deletions and Oversight requests from both articles and talkspace. (As a result, many of these edits are now inaccessible to non-administrators.) This has required a major response from previously-uninvolved editors to prevent unsourced and poorly-sourced claims about living people from appearing in the encyclopedia. Almost all of these articles and talk pages have had to be placed under long-term semi-protection due to libelous attacks from unregistered and new editors. In particular, ] showed an utter compulsion to find any way possible to depict Zoe Quinn in a negative light, making their topic ban from the issue incredibly well-deserved. |
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* This history page for the article and are instructive — both ] and ] inserted a wide array of allegations, claims and attacks which have since been revision-deleted, including an entire section entitled "Accusations of Personal and Professional Misconduct" and using edit summaries such as "removed biased wording painting Quinn as a victim and masking what she did." |
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* — On the talk page, ] refers to Zoe Quinn, the subject of the biography, as "a scandal attached to a person." |
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* — On the talk page, Titanium Dragon makes an array of poorly-sourced or unsourced gossipy, salacious, negative and irrelevant statements about Zoe Quinn. The user proceeds to after another editor removes them on BLP grounds. |
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* — ] inserts poorly-sourced allegations that Quinn is responsible for DDoS attacks and bribery. |
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* — Titanium Dragon removes sourced statements by Zoe Quinn about her own experiences, with edit summaries stating that "Zoe Quinn's integrity is at the heart of the GamerGate nonsense" and "It is Zoe Quinn making statements in order to cast herself in a more sympathetic light, which is generally unacceptable." |
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* — Three more rev-deleted harassment edits. I don't even know what they say, but they're bad enough that an admin removed them from public view. |
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* — ] attempts to bring into the article entirely-unsourced statements about Quinn's name, and when their proposal is rejected, . |
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* — More rev-deleted unsourced/poorly-sourced smearing on the talk page from Titanium Dragon. Is the theme evident yet? |
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* — An IP editor inserts into Wu's biography the weasel-worded and entirely-unsourced claim that Wu doxxed herself. |
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* — ] removes cited material on threats against Wu with an edit summary accusing Wu of doxxing herself, and later . |
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* — ] inserts the patently-libelous allegation that Wu faked death threats against herself, sourced only to a Gamergate message board. After being reverted, with the addition of a blog. |
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====] and ]==== |
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* — An anonymous user vandalizes her biography with unsourced attacks, accusations of untruthfulness, etc. |
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* — ] inserts something so offensive that it has been rev-deleted. |
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* — ] inserts the unsourced insinuation that Sarkeesian has been untruthful about reporting death threats against her, and after it was objected to, with an edit summary accusing her of lying: "It's debated whether her tweets are truthful." |
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* — ] inserts YouTube-sourced claims that Sarkeesian "lied" and generally attempts to discredit her. |
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* — ] makes unsupported statements on the talk page to the effect that Sarkeesian has "known limited credibility due to multiple earlier false statements." |
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* — ] makes repeated BLP-violating edits to the talk page, all of which are revision-deleted. |
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* — On the talk page, Titanium Dragon persistently inserts unsourced and poorly-sourced accusations against Zoe Quinn and other living people. |
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* — On the talk page, ] compares Zoe Quinn to a prostitute. |
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* — On the talk page, ] makes unsupported accusations that Brianna Wu has lied about death threats. |
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===Gamergate supporters have attempted to present false allegations as true or debatable=== |
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Gamergate supporters have repeatedly attempted to shift the tone of the article's coverage of the movement's core claims about Zoe Quinn and Nathan Grayson. It is provable that neither Nathan Grayson nor Kotaku ever reviewed ''Depression Quest'' and that Grayson wrote nothing about Quinn after beginning the relationship. Thus, mainstream reliable sources have widely and effectively unanimously dismissed these allegations of unethical behavior as false. Despite this fact, there have been repeated efforts by Gamergate supporters to water down our description of these false allegations and present them as the subject of legitimate debate or even as true. |
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===Gamergate supporters have targeted long-term editors who attempted to deal with these issues=== |
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As noted elsewhere, Gamergate supporters immediately began attacking long-term editors such as myself who became involved due to the onslaught of BLP, NPOV and UNDUE issues brought about on related articles, and who were working to prevent Misplaced Pages from being used as an attack platform. They have created which are essentially "hit lists" including dozens of long-term Misplaced Pages editors who have substantively opposed them. Their apparent goal was to identify such editors, drive them out of the subject area and intimidate anyone who dared oppose them. This has included implied and explicit , , and — the latter of which was helpfully rev-deleted before I even had a chance to see it. |
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==Evidence presented by The Devil's Advocate== |
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===Ryulong has repeatedly made egregiously POV and inflammatory edits=== |
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* numerous unnecessary quotes of insults made by a single person towards GamerGate to reinforce narrative about a gender bias in harassment. |
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* "noting" when referring to several inflammatory opinions about GamerGate, thus presenting them as fact. |
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* massive paragraph accusing GamerGate supporters of copyright violations based off a single source. |
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* nearly a paragraph worth of material based off one in-depth source suggesting the unofficial mascot of GamerGate references what the source suggests is a depiction of rape. |
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===Ryulong has engaged in POINTy behavior to push a POV=== |
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*Anil Dash material |
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** for excluding mention of alleged harassment of GamerGate supporters using a mocking heading. |
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** "poor sourcing" for above allegations warrants mention of allegations against named person. Asks about including several serious criminal accusations against named individual based off much weaker sourcing, including tweets from a critic. |
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** certain mentions of harassment, including reliably-sourced details about female and minority GamerGate supporters receiving rape and death threats or being fired for supporting GamerGate. |
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**After the material , Ryulong against a BLP subject to the article. Initially mild, he later to include allegations of a potentially criminal nature (bribery). |
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**When I , he and to a section on "support for charitable efforts" apparently on the basis that the "bribe" claim concerned a charity donation. |
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**After I , noting the BLP concern, and it is , Ryulong to the section with a caption containing the potentially criminal accusation. |
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*GamerGate diversity material |
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** reliably-sourced material about women and minorities supporting GamerGate with the rest attributed as opinion, claiming it is to hold "pro-GG" content to the same standard as "anti-GG" content. |
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**Subsequently from an image caption mention of Christina Sommers stating the gaming generation is much less prejudiced than previous generations. |
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**Acknowledges in his attributing mention of the existence of female and minority supporters as though it were opinion, despite acknowledging it as fact, was due to the alleged misogyny of GamerGate not being treated as fact based off similar sourcing. |
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===Ryulong has inserted BLP violations=== |
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* listing several prominent supporters, including ], who the material states "have had nothing to do with video games", despite the source not stating this about him. Even after Halfhat noting he has been heavily involved in video games previously (numerous voice-acting roles), Ryulong . Subsequently, he amends it to say article author "pointed out" statements "by the various people . . . derisive of gamers" prior to GamerGate implying Baldwin had made such statements despite this not being said in the source. |
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===Ryulong has repeatedly and flagrantly breached 3RR=== |
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*9RR (seven listed are significant) - |
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*9RR - Additional instances not mentioned in report: . Attempts to close a discussion over lede wording. Eight of these reverts occurred after by Titanium Dragon. Ryulong discussing it, stating this is because TD "should still be banned from editing the page." |
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*12RR - ]. At least seven were significant POV reverts: |
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== Evidence presented by Mr. Random == |
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=== Ryulong has been edit-warring in a controversial article despite an acknowledged COI === |
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(This has already been presented at , but it was closed as a "frivolous, baseless and misplaced/forum-shopped request" - by an involved administrator, no less - despite the evidence I am about to provide. I will leave commentary on that, if any, to other users.) |
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A user on Reddit named "ryulong67" ran an AMA ("Ask Me Anything") titled on r/GamerGhazi, a subreddit for those opposed to the GamerGate revolt. To do this, the user had to confirm that he was ], which he did by adding a to . The subreddit later a GoFundMe donation drive under the name "Ryulong" - connecting it to ryulong67 - prompting ] to . (<s>I can provide more substantial proof that the donation drive is his, but I fear it may violate ], as it involves a connection between off-wiki accounts; however, I will post it if requested to do so by an arbitrator.</s> Never mind - confirmed by Ryulong below.) He has since , despite having received money from a group with a known anti-Gamergate agenda. |
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==Evidence presented by LoganMac== |
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===Ryulong recieved $370 by a known anti-GamerGate subreddit=== |
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Ryulong recieved $370 by a known anti-GamerGate subreddit after having made an AMA (ask me anything) that same day. He admits that any further edit would be a conflict of interest |
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Said Reddit thread |
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Ryulong is asked by anti-GamerGate subreddit to add the string "2mj5ds" to his profile |
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He does so here confirming it's his account |
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The user who donated most of his goal is a known anti-GamerGate person |
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Ryulong tried implying that "anyone could donate", and that the GoFundMe would be posted "on a another pro-GamerGate subreddit". No such thing happened. |
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His fully founded GoFundMe page |
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He confirms on his public Twitter page that the GoFundMe was made by him (this is not doxxing, he has admitted that account it's his, I came to learn of his account when HE himself asked me to "learn to fucking read" on that account) |
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On this same account, he further admits of a conflict of interest, hence "quitting" yet he came back less than a week later |
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He breaks his self-imposed topic ban by editing the article draft on multiple ocassions |
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He even says "I'm going to regret doing this later" in his edit summary |
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He continues to do so in the ] article, adding a POV and notability tag , and after gettnig deleted, adding a POV tag again |
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As well as multiple suggestions on its talk page about the article being biased |
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He was even asked by Jimbo to step down of the article but he refused |
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Ryulong shows an extreme case of ], has time and time again violated ], has demonstraded a heavy bias, not only on-site but off-site as well. He seems to take pride in angering userbases and fandoms. Constantly reverts people instead of making suggestions to change an user edit. |
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This only further damages the image of Misplaced Pages, like Auerbach of ] own encounter with Ryulong, or notable scholar and multi-published feminist ] criticism . |
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The article should be dealt by completely new uninvolved editors. And as Masem noted, should be written in a disinterested voice. |
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==Evidence presented by Ryulong== |
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===Refutation of The Devil's Advocate's evidence=== |
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None of the diffs presented by TDA are actionable. I may have added poorly written content that did not gain consensus afterwards (and several attempts at reaching consensus were made before adding some of the content) but he is taking things out of context in order to paint me in a negative light. |
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Nearly every edit he has listed is simply those that he disagrees with because he is actively advocating for Gamergate on the article, and is one of a small number of established editors in all of this who has been acting as such. His dislike of my contributed content and his false claims that people negatively mentioned in reliable sources and then those reliable sources are used on Misplaced Pages constitute a violation of WP:BLP. BLP does not say "do not write negative statements about people". It says "make sure everything is verifiable and neutral". The constant claims that the word "bribe" constituted an accusation of violating a crime in the content regarding ] was thrown out or dismissed by everyone other than TDA and Tutelary. ] is an archived discussion at ] where I attempted to get outside input and editors disagreed with the statements TDA is making now that Tutelary made then. I made multiple attempts to better incorporate the content, but TDA has refused it each time, citing a vague prior consensus against it. Just because TDA doesn't like what the sources say (as is evident from every single diff he has pulled out to cast me in a negative light) is not a reason I should be punished for anything. |
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In addition, his claims that I was "edit warring" over a caption is ridiculous. I trimmed because there were complaints about ''all'' of the captions, and then that led to me re-trimming the caption again. Not to mention that . |
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TDA has been actively advocating on behalf of Gamergate onsite and offsite. He has constantly edited the article and talk page in a way to ensure that any negative material is demoted to being an opinion of a writer while actively pushing that anything supportive of Gamergate gets treated as a fact. |
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===Refutation of Mr. Random's evidence & clarification of my claimed possible conflict of interest=== |
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I am ryulong67 on Reddit. I have never made this a secret when I began actively participating on Reddit. I also operate the account @ryulong on Twitter. The reason I chose "GamerGhazi" (a board consisting of people critical of the reasons behind Gamergate) is because several weeks ago, a friend of mine notified me that they were discussing me and the harassment that I had suffered onsite and off due to my involvement in the article. I posted there because of that reason. My post went semi-viral and turned into an informal question and answer session or an "AMA" thread or whatever they call it there. I also posted to the Gamergate advocacy board "KotakuInAction" and also head a minor informal question and answer session (responding in one of the many threads critical of me). During the course of the discussion at the "GamerGhazi" board, I mentioned my finanical hardships regarding a loan from a friend and it was at this point that someone suggested I start up a donation campaign seeing as I did not owe my friend terribly much and they wanted to help me out. I thought about this for a day, and then contacted one of the forum's mods for assistance and advice. I was told that if it was to be posted at all on the forum, I would have to make a public statement that I was no longer involving myself in the article. I agreed. I posted a link on my personal blog, and never directly posted anything regarding it to Reddit. I went to sleep and during the night one person donated all I had asked for (another person donated a smaller portion of the money). I removed all articles and discussion pages (except for arbitration) from my watchlist. |
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A week passed when I saw ] had been created. I contacted the moderator at Reddit if contributing to that page was okay, and he/she (I'm not sure) said that they saw no problem as far as they were concerned. The following is a timeline of what happened at that article: |
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*, I make the post on my user talk |
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*, first tags |
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*, talk page thread started to begin discussion on neutrality and POV |
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*, POV tag removed by Pepsiwithcoke |
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*, notability tag removed by Loganmac |
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*, notability tag re-added as I was not satisfied with the responses to my questioning of the notability |
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I also saw a brand new editor was disrupting ], an unofficial sandbox version of the main article to allow for general work on the page while it is fully protected. I reverted a total of 3 times, requesting that the editor bring it up for discussion as well as informing him on a user talk page he was editing regarding the issues at hand (). This caused Tutelary to open a thread on me at ANI claiming I was violating ] and my voluntary break. That thread as it was opened up at ] where ] but there is overwhelming support for me rather than any actual condemnation of my actions. |
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I have also been in email contact with Jimbo regarding the money I received and all he has asked of me is that I not further involve myself in anything, even though I am constantly assailed offsite. |
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===Refutation of Loganmac's evidence=== |
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I've been supported in the incident concerning David Auerbach by other editors on Misplaced Pages. Actions I take off the website in completely unaffiliated channels should not determine anything. Loganmac's evidence impinges on actions made by others rather than myself. Issues concerning the draft page and any potential conflict of interest have been established in the prior section. |
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===Off-site canvassing and harassment=== |
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Several editors involved with the Misplaced Pages article who have made edits advocating on behalf of Gamergate have been actively fomenting histrionics and drama offsite, including at least two actively enabling harassment towards myself and two who are listed as parties to this case (with some overlap). The editors involved with these actions and evidence relating to offsite behavior will be presented to the arbitration committee for analysis if requested. |
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===BLP violations by The Devil's Advocate=== |
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by The Devil's Advocate intentionally toes the line of a BLP violation where he uses the article's talk page to make statements about the subject's past that are not reliably sourced, are generally irrelevant, and regard the subject's private life. |
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===Harassment by Tutelary=== |
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Tutelary has focused their attention on eliminating me from the article several times. Tutelary has repeatedly attempted to report my behavior on the article on ] and other related boards, which ultimately resulted in no action taken. |
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===General issue of links to my Twitter account=== |
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Both Starship.paint and DungeonSiegeAddict510 (and as I suspect others will follow as these have been saved by offsite harassment campaigns) point to posts that I made on my personal Twitter account in regards to being contacted on that site ostensibly over my behavior on Misplaced Pages. I do not think that these or any posts from my personal Twitter account, one I rarely used until I began being harassed over it in late September, mean much here or elsewhere. The fact that both of them have to use archival links also points to the fact that the so-called Gamergate movement keeps track of anything and everything their idealogical opponents say in order to discredit them at any stage. These are constantly brought up, as is another tweet I made that has been mocked by another major harasser on Twitter who has several thousand followers and all of them began to harass me or mock me over the content of a tweet. My actions in responding to harassment off-site should not be used as any sort of evidence in this case. |
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===Refutation of Starship.paint's evidence=== |
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There is no rule on Misplaced Pages against people being biased in favor or against something. Users can be biased. No one can possibly be without bias. Users should simply ensure that they do not let that bias enter articles and affect its neutrality. The majority of complaints of "bias" at {{la|Gamergate controversy}} are those that wish to give ] to fringe viewpoints. Nothing I've added to that page, regardless of how many diffs TDA can bring up, show I've done that. I may not be the best writer to keep things short and to the point but that shouldn't be held against me either. |
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Starship.paint's evidence also features ad hominem attacks on a person not on Misplaced Pages in regards to the money I was given by said person. And as stated multiple times (probably at the ] thread), the ] '''does not''' forbid people from being involved in anything on Misplaced Pages not that ''any'' of this should reasonably be considered actual financial incentive (as also previously stated at the enforcement thread I think). Gamergate isn't even a "debate" where people have sides to be on in the end, even though that's what its supporters make it out to be. |
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===Single-purpose accounts and "zombie" accounts=== |
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The Gamergate article and its talk page have been heavily edited by users who either are newly registered accounts that ''only'' edit the Gamergate article and related topics and can be considered as representative of ] or they are users who have had long stretches (sometimes years) of inactivity on Misplaced Pages, but have seemingly all returned to edit Misplaced Pages's Gamergate topic area. I initially attempted to raise this issue for discussion at ] in the poorly executed "]" thread. Regardless of my errors then, the issue still plagues the topic area. I will only be listing the most prolific and still present editors here. |
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*{{u|Loganmac}} . However, he seemingly stopped editing Misplaced Pages in only to to the Gamergate article's talkpage and for the past 3 months barely make any substantiative edits to any other article or talk page. |
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*{{u|YellowSandals}}' first edit ever and has only ever made edits to the talk page (some are to the article itself and others are on user pages or project pages regarding the subject). |
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*{{u|Pepsiwithcoke}}, while having a somewhat varied editing history, and since then hasn't done much regarding any other subject on Misplaced Pages. |
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*{{U|Halfhat}}, while having registered in April of this year, did not perform that many edits after registering. However, he did in October and since then the majority of his edits have been regarding Gamergate in some way. |
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*{{u|Racuce}}'s first edit and there's no edits of his that aren't about Gamergate. |
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*{{u|Jgm74}} originally registered in 2007 and had 2 edits but after making enough edits to be autoconfirmed, |
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*{{u|Zakkarum}}, whose edits on the draft page raised my concerns and general drama in the area these past few days and has done nothing since. |
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*{{u|Torga}}, who was banned with the community sanctions while the case was still being considered, made one edit in 2008, made 9 more to get autoconfirmed in September this year, and then . |
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There are also several other editors who were inactive on Misplaced Pages for some period of time and then made edits advocating for Gamergate but they were the ones who were most displeased with being included on the poorly executed list of last month. |
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==Evidence presented by Silver seren== |
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===Notice of possible meatpuppetry=== |
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I am still debating whether I want to get involved with presenting a full set of evidence in this case, as I really don't want to have to deal with SPAs harassing me and the like. But, for now, I just wanted to make a simple notification that anyone involved in this evidence page that uses Archive.today as a link, such as Mr. Random and LoganMac up above, likely have personal involvement with Gamergate as they are the only ones involved in using such links. Furthermore, the evidence presented just above by both has already been dismissed by the community as not an actual case of COI or a concern, as seen in . And the exact evidence links given by them are also something that is currently, as I write this, being compiled in an 8chan thread and has been since this Evidence page was opened, so that is likely where the two above have been getting their sources. Again the use of Archive.today is a rather blatant showcase for that. |
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Also, the fact that the same 8chan thread is discussing having Misplaced Pages editor insiders who will ferry their wanted evidence along implies enough itself (and one of the commenters there implying '''they''' are a Misplaced Pages editor). And, yes, I have screenshots of this, which is necessary since they often delete or change comments in order to pretend certain things were not said. <font color="silver">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><sup>]</sup> 03:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Also I should note the removal was done by the poster after collaboration with the users in the same 8chan thread I mentioned before. Also, apparently they are working together in an IRC chat in addition to the 8chan thread in order to facilitate the meatpuppetry. <font color="silver">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><sup>]</sup> 04:41, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:There's also this acknowledgement. |
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:"''Again, If you guys can, just delete my entry and I'll leave it to the pro editors with the long-standing accts on the gamergate.me side edit / present evidence.''" |
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:. <font color="silver">]</font><font color="blue">]</font><sup>]</sup> 04:44, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by TheRedPenOfDoom== |
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===User:Titanium_Dragon has an inherent conflict of interest=== |
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User:Titanium_Dragon self identifies as and therefore has an inherent conflict of interest in editing gamergate articles, since gamergate in general is ostensibly about wide-spread collusion between game designers and journalists when it is not about sending death threats to women, and articles/content about ] and ] in particular who as indie game developers are effectively competitors in the game design space. -- ] 06:25, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by Starship.paint== |
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===Comments and actions bringing Misplaced Pages into disrepute=== |
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Some actions of Ryulong and Tarc, while off-wiki, . Even when Ryulong and Tarc are off-wiki, they still use virtually the same user names or handles, for example their Twitter accounts, which are called Ryulong and Tarc Meridian respectively. They have publicly acknowledged that they are Misplaced Pages editors. (Tarc's admission is quoted below) These were comments made when they were actively editing the article. I will demonstrate the bias below; I'm afraid I have to rely on an archive system as the damaging tweets were deleted at some point in time: |
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{{quotation|oh, you're a gamergate douche trying to get his way on Wiki by bitching that the page is biased as it doesn't show what you want <br>I don't have time to deal with gamergate fags here - '''Ryulong'''}}{{quotation| |
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FWIW I am a Misplaced Pages editor, and have done what I can to keep the BS out.<br>Hey, sorry you're getting crap from Gamergater neckbeards. These people need to and will be shouted down.<br>The narrative is being won, media's coming down hard against the trolls."<br>1 month later tho, looks like my p.o.v. is winning out.. - '''Tarc Meridian''' }} |
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These aggressive and insulting comments have led to people questioning the integrity of the project if editors who have displayed such a bias and a anti-GG POV are still allowed to edit in this topic. Additionally, Ryulong '''on-wiki''' essentially admits he's not a neutral editor . In the post above, he also claims being attacked on Twitter by the "mindless gamergate zombies". Honestly, I acknowledge not every editor approaching a subject will be neutral. However, when editors broadcast their biasness in a public manner, all it does it damage the reputation and reliability of Misplaced Pages. |
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Furthermore, the case of Ryulong was complicated due to him opening a GoFundMe online asking for donations. When he opened the GoFundMe, Ryulong acknowledged on-wiki that "further edits I make to the article or its talk page may be construed as a conflict of interest", referring to GamerGate. Ryulong's quota was met by a $350 donation from a certain FishFox Nuro, a self-described "SJW Lunatic" (social justice warrior, a label referring to someone with an anti-GamerGate POV). It seems to me that after accepting this donation from someone who is publicly anti-GG ("I sent off the bulk of my repayment to my friend tonight") - Ryulong now has a financial ] regarding future edits on GamerGate. ]] ''']''' 09:30, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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===Accusations without proof by MarkBernstein=== |
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MarkBernstein has made several accusations and insinuations of editors being "coordinated" by 8chan and "colluding" |
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*Masem "was closely coordinated with a small group of associated editors who play assigned roles" |
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*"Next, the three remaining un-topic-banned editors and their admin will arrive" |
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*"really interesting that starship shows up a few minutes after another user, one who makes the same arguments in the same tone, is topic-banned ... we all know they've been coordinating offsite" |
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*"you might have been supporting more favorable coverage of the planning to rape and beat women in computing" (removed by Gamaliel) |
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*"From an 8chan thread ostensibly planning ArbCom strategy and coordinating how to deploy Orlando, DSA and Logan but largely venting at me" |
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He has neither apologized nor been punished. ]] ''']''' 08:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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===Closure of 12RR as Stale=== |
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I am not sure whether ''']''' was appropriate, given the severity of the supposed offending action. ]] ''']''' 09:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by HalfHat== |
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===Odd action by Dreadstar=== |
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I'd like to bring up a recent action by ] that I find rather odd, and I think is worth looking at. Basically he told me to stop making references to Hitler threatening me with sanctions. The thing is all I was doing is referring to the Misplaced Pages article on Adolph Hitler to make a point. The reason I (and I'd guess others) make references to the Hitler article is because it's a well written article on a very controversial topic where nonfringe sources have strong opinions, the argument requires it to be an article on someone or something hated by the RSs. I was simply making the argument that if all sources share an opinion we shouldn't agree in Misplaced Pages's voice. Please note I did not compare anyone or anything to Hitler, I didn't accuse anyone of being a Nazi or anything like that, I was simply making an argument about what is written in the RSs. ]] 08:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3AHalfhat&diff=635482043&oldid=635152453 |
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===Response to Ryulong=== |
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Most of my action has been related to GamerGate since returning, but that is not against any policy. Before his initial accusation I counted 6 '''totally''' unrelated edits, excluding things like userpages, in his criteria of recentness, and have since made more like my recent addition of a picture to the outline of biology page. Many of my edits were simply to conform to WP:Say because of the article's frequent poor use of "Noted", I further made the request (since acted upon) to change to "Category:Conspiracy_Theories" from "Category:Conspiracy_Theories_in_the_US" (or similar). If someone is convinced I'm here to push an agenda then please look through my contributions, and what the edits are I'm actually making, I'm not here to push an agenda. ]] 09:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by Thargor Orlando== |
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==Evidence presented by ]== |
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===Regarding Battlefield Mentality === |
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see this report submitted by ] and this response from Tarc ] (]) 17:05, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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==Evidence presented by DungeonSiegeAddict510== |
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All links archived for security. |
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===Off-site conduct=== |
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Since if one side (pro-gg)'s actions are being scrutinized, it is only fair that ALL off-site actions are scrutinized, and yes, feel free to dig up my Uncyc history. |
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*https://archive.today/HbWqp -comment by Ryulong, via archive.org / twitter.com |
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*https://archive.today/PHr2R -comment by Ryulong, via archive.org / twitter.com |
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*http://tweetsave.com/tarc0917 -archived tweets from Tarc, via tweetsave.com / twitter.com |
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===Behavior of involved admins=== |
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In addition to the presented concerns with admins on the Case Request page by Devil’s Advocate , Tutelary , Titanium Dragon , and DungeonSiegeAddict510 , I’d like to present additional administrative actions that should be evaluated by the arbitrators. |
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Titanium Dragon was topic banned by Future Perfect at Sunrise for daring to raise the argument that death threats shouldn’t be attributed to a source until the source is known. |
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When the subject of Ryulong’s WP:COI came up on the General Sanctions page, Future Perfect at Sunrise hatted a great deal of editor statements for being “mostly useless quabbling” , this hatting was later reversed and commented on by another admin. |
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The Devil’s Advocate was temporarily blocked by Drmies for presenting evidence of Gamaliel’s involvement in the article. |
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Tutelary was very recently topic banned by Gamaliel after a boomerang motion request. Tutelary initially brought up a request concerning Ryulong’s ] for receiving funds, something that even {{u|Jimbo Wales}} said should be looked into. Future Perfect at Sunrise closed it and called it “frivolous”. The ban on Tutelary was imposed by Gamaliel despite a 10:10 support:oppose vote, stating that he discounted objections as they “are from involved editors or are largely procedural in nature” |
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===On the subject of SPAs and the “us vs. them” mentality=== |
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I’ve seen lots of accusations thrown around that editors are SPAs only here to disrupt Misplaced Pages. One notable incident outside of this page was Ryulong’s “Nip Gamergate in the bud” proposal to topic ban 35 editor accounts that he claimed were ]. On closer examination most of the accounts listed were found to not be SPAs, with some having years of contributions to Misplaced Pages. The proposal, and the responsive calls for a ] were closed by Future Perfect at Sunrise within a day of their opening saying there is “no chance of consensus”. |
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I do not discount the fact that there have been incidences of SPAs, but the term seems to be loosely thrown around as accusation against every editor who disagrees with or raises objections about a select number of editors involved in this topic. There are countless examples of these editors proclaiming other editors to be “obviously pro-gamer gate” just for disagreeing with them. Likewise, not everyone is engaged in ] just because you say they are, though ] accounts can be proven by their creation date and lack of edits, no evidence has been presented that editors here are encouraging it. ] (]) 21:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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