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{{Short description|Misplaced Pages Essay on Reverting}}
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] is reversing a prior edit. Revert ] upon sight but revert an edit made in good faith only after careful consideration. It is usually preferable to make an edit that retains at least some elements of a prior edit than to revert the prior edit. Furthermore, your bias should be toward keeping the entire edit. ] is reversing a prior edit, in whole or in part. Revert ] upon sight but revert an edit made in good faith only after careful consideration. It is usually preferable to make an edit that retains at least some elements of a questionable prior edit than to revert it entirely. Your bias should be toward keeping as much of the prior edit as possible.


==Reverting drives away editors== ==Reverting drives away editors==
{{See also|Misplaced Pages:Encourage the newcomers}}
Reverting tends to be hostile, making editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant. Sometimes this provokes a reciprocal hostility of re-reversion. Sometimes it also leads to editors departing Misplaced Pages, temporarily or otherwise, especially the less bellicose. This outcome is clearly detrimental to the development of Misplaced Pages. Thus, fair and considered thought should be applied to all reversions given all the above. Reverting tends to be hostile, making editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant. Sometimes this provokes a reciprocal hostility of re-reversion. Sometimes it also leads to editors departing Misplaced Pages, temporarily or otherwise, especially the less bellicose or the inexperienced. This outcome is clearly detrimental to the development of Misplaced Pages. Thus, fair and considered thought should be applied to all reversions given all the above.


=={{anchor|DOREVERT}} Good reasons to revert==
==Acceptable reversions==
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The main purpose of reversion is to undo vandalism. If you see an edit that you're sure was intended by its author to damage Misplaced Pages, and it does, there is no need for further consideration. Just revert it. The main purpose of reversion is to undo vandalism or other ]. If you see an edit that you're sure was intended by its author to damage Misplaced Pages, and it does, there is no need for further consideration. Just revert it.


In the case of a good faith edit, a reversion is appropriate when the reverter believes that the edit makes the article clearly worse and there is no element of the edit that is an improvement. This is often true of small edits. In the case of a good faith edit, a reversion is appropriate when the reverter believes that the edit makes the article clearly worse and there is no element of the edit that is an improvement. This is often true of small edits.


Whenever you believe that the author of an edit was simply misinformed, or didn't think an edit through, go ahead and revert. If that editor (or anyone else) re-reverts, you'll know it's more than that and can be more conservative in deciding whether to revert it again. Whenever you believe that the author of an edit was simply misinformed, made a mistake, or did not think an edit through, go ahead and revert. If that editor (or anyone else) re-reverts, you will know it is more than that, and you should be more conservative in deciding whether to revert it again.


Another kind of acceptable reversion is an incidental one. A Misplaced Pages editor is not expected to investigate the history of an article to find out if an edit being considered is a reversion of some prior edit. The rule against reversions applies only to cases where the reverter is aware that the edit is a reversion of another edit. Another kind of acceptable reversion is an incidental one. A Misplaced Pages editor is not expected to investigate the history of an article to find out if an edit being considered is a reversion of some prior edit. The rule against reversions applies only to cases where the reverter is aware that the edit is a reversion of another edit.


=={{anchor|DONTREVERT}} Bad reasons to revert==
==Unacceptable reversions==
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There are a number of things that sometimes motivate an editor to revert, but shouldn't. There are a number of things that sometimes motivate an editor to revert, but should not.


Don't revert an edit because it is unnecessary — because it does not improve the article. For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse. Misplaced Pages does not have a bias toward the status quo (except in cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved). In fact, Misplaced Pages has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation. * Do not revert unnecessary edits (i.e., edits that neither improve nor harm the article). For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse. Misplaced Pages does not have a bias toward the ''status quo'' (except in some cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved). In fact, Misplaced Pages has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation.
⚫ * Even if you find an article was slightly better before an edit, in an area where opinions could differ, you should not revert that edit, especially if you are the author of the prior text. The reason for this is that authors and others with past involvement in an article have a natural prejudice in favor of the status quo, so your finding that the article was better before might just be a result of that. Also, Misplaced Pages likes to encourage editing.
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⚫ * Do not revert a large edit because much of it is bad, and you do not have time to rewrite the whole thing. Instead, find even a bit of the edit that is not objectionable and undo the rest. (To do this, you can use the ] then type or copy back in what you want to keep). If a supporter of the reverted edit wants to save more of it, that editor can re-edit in smaller pieces and the article can converge on a consensus version that way.
⚫ * Reversion is not a proper tool for punishing an editor or retaliating or exacting vengeance. No edit, reversion or not, should be made for the purpose of teaching another editor a lesson or keeping an editor from enjoying the fruits of their crimes.
* Do not revert an edit as a means of showing your disapproval of the ].
* Do not revert an edit because you need more time to determine whether you agree with the edit.


⚫ ==Alternatives to reverting==
⚫ Even if you find an article was slightly better before an edit, in an area where opinions could differ, you should not revert that edit, especially if you are the author of the prior text. The reason for this is that authors and others with past involvement in an article have a natural prejudice in favor of the status quo, so your finding that the article was better before might just be a result of that. Also, Misplaced Pages likes to encourage editing.
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The most important principle is to continually improve rather than destroy.


If a good-faith edit which adds correct information that readers would find useful is wrong for other reasons, ]. If a contribution is ungrammatical, improve the grammar. If a citation is incorrectly formatted, fix the format. If you have some minor nitpick of policy, then fix it.
⚫ Don't revert a large edit because much of it is bad and you don't have time to rewrite the whole thing. Instead, find even a little bit of the edit that is not objectionable and undo the rest. (To do this, you can use the "undo" button, then type back in what you want to keep). As long as you keep one significant element of the edit, it is not a reversion. If a supporter of the reverted edit wants to save more of it, she can re-edit in smaller pieces and the article can converge on a consensus version that way.


⚫ When you find you disagree with an edit, try to find a third version of the text that incorporates at least some of the elements of the prior text and the current text. Sometimes that's as easy as making the article state that there is controversy about something.
⚫ Never revert an edit because it was made via an improper process. Reversion is not a proper tool for punishing an editor or retaliating or exacting vengeance. No edit, reversion or not, should be made for the purpose of teaching another editor a lesson or keeping an editor from enjoying the fruits of his crimes.


⚫ You might ] an edit on the talk page before reverting. But note that Misplaced Pages does not in general require advance approval of edits, and reversions are no exception. If you believe you have a case of an acceptable reversion, you are invited to make that edit unilaterally and if there is disagreement, you'll find out from subsequent edits. (But note the special rules for avoiding edit wars.)
⚫ ==Alternatives to reverting==
⚫ The first and foremost alternative to reverting when you find you disagree with an edit is to find a third version of the text that incorporates at least some of the elements of the prior text and the current text. Sometimes that's as easy as making the article state that there is controversy about something.


⚫ You could also discuss an edit directly with the editor who made it, on that editor's talk page, and request that the editor modify their own work. Or convince you that it's best as it stands.
⚫ You might discuss an edit on the talk page before reverting. But note that Misplaced Pages does not in general require advance approval of edits, and reversions are no exception. If you believe you have an case of an acceptable reversion, you are invited to make that edit unilaterally and if there is disagreement, you'll find out from subsequent edits. (But note the special rules for avoiding edit wars).


If an edit has value, but also problems, and you don't have time to fix the problems, ]. If you're really rushed, you can just leave the article alone; other editors will likely notice the same problems. In either case, someone with more time will fix the problems. You don't have to take personal responsibility for protecting the article from imperfection.
⚫ You could also discuss an edit directly with the editor who made it, on that editor's talk page, and request that the editor modify his own work. Or convince you that it's best as it stands.


==Revert wars are considered harmful (the three-revert rule)== ==Revert wars are considered harmful (the three-revert rule)==
High-frequency ] make the ] less useful, waste space in the database, make it hard for other people to contribute, and flood recent changes and watchlists. ] forbids anyone from reverting any single article more than three times in the same day, with certain exceptions. This is a strict limit, not a given right; you should not revert any one article more than three times daily. Violation of this rule may lead to protection of the page on the version preferred by the non-violating party; blocking; or investigation by the ]. Usage of ]s attempting to circumvent this rule does not prevent a violation. See ''']''' for details on this. High-frequency ] make the ] difficult to follow, make it hard for other people to contribute, and flood recent changes and watchlists. ] forbids anyone from reverting any single article more than three times within a period of 24 hours, with certain exceptions. This is a strict limit, not a given right; you should not revert any one article more than three times daily. Violation of this rule may lead to protection of the page on the version preferred by the non-violating party, blocking, or investigation by the ]. Usage of ]s attempting to circumvent this rule does not prevent a violation. See ''']''' for details on this.


==Explain reverts== ==Explain reverts==
{{also|WP:REVEXP}} {{also|WP:REVEXP}}
Being reverted can feel a bit like a slap in the face — "I worked hard on those edits, and someone just rolled it all back". However, sometimes a revert is the best response to a bad edit, so we can't just stop reverting. What's important is to let people know ''why'' you reverted. This helps the reverted person because they can remake their edit while fixing whatever problem it is that you've identified. Obviously it is best to fix the problem and not revert at all. Being reverted can feel a bit like a slap in the face – "I worked hard on those edits, and someone just ]". However, sometimes a revert is the best response to a bad edit, so we can't just stop reverting. What's important is to let people know ''why'' you reverted. This helps the reverted person because they can remake their edit while fixing whatever problem it is that you've identified. Obviously it is best to fix the problem and not revert at all.


Explaining reverts also helps other people. For example, it lets people know whether they need to even view the reverted version (in the case of, e.g., "rv page blanking"). Because of the lack of ] online, if you don't explain things clearly people will probably assume all kinds of nasty things, and that's how ] get started. Explaining reverts also helps other people. For example, it lets people know whether they need to even view the reverted version (in the case of, e.g., "rv page blanking"). Because of the lack of ] online, if you don't explain things clearly, people will probably assume all kinds of nasty things, and that's how ] get started.


If your reasons for reverting are too complex to explain in the ], drop a note on the Talk page. A nice thing to do is to drop the note on the Talk page ''first'', and ''then'' revert (referencing the talk page in your edit summary), rather than the other way round. Sometimes the other person will agree with you and revert for you before you have a chance. Conversely, if someone reverts your change without apparent explanation, you may wish to wait a few minutes to see if they explain their actions on the article's talk page or your user talk page, or contact the editor and ask for the reason for their revert. Do not engage in discussions in edit summaries. Doing so is a hallmark of edit warring; instead, stop editing and use the talk page. If your reasons for reverting are too complex to explain in the ], drop a note on ] A nice thing to do is to drop the note on the Talk page ''first'', and ''then'' revert the edit (referencing the talk page in your edit summary), rather than the other way round. Sometimes the other person will agree with you and revert for you before you have a chance. Conversely, if someone reverts your change without apparent explanation, you may wish to wait a few minutes to see if they explain their actions on the article's talk page or your user talk page, or contact the editor and ask for the reason for their revert. Do not engage in discussions in edit summaries. Doing so is a hallmark of edit warring; instead, stop editing and use the talk page.


==Avoiding or limiting your reverts== ==Avoiding or limiting your reverts==
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===Don't re-revert=== ===Don't re-revert===
Editors with this pledge choose to voluntarily follow the rule that if someone reverts any change of theirs, they don't re-revert it, but discuss it with them. (See ].) Editors with this pledge choose to voluntarily follow the rule that if someone reverts any change of theirs, they don't re-revert it, but discuss it with them. (See ].)


In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show one reversion before discussion starts. In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show one reversion before discussion starts.
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Editors may also choose to adhere to a '''zero-revert rule''', for example: Editors may also choose to adhere to a '''zero-revert rule''', for example:


"Only ] obvious ]. Instead of removing or reverting changes or additions you may not like, add to and enhance them while following the principle of preserving information and viewpoints. If you can't figure out how any part of an edit benefits an article ask for clarification on the article's or the editor's discussion page." "] only obvious ]. Instead of removing or reverting changes or additions you may not like, add to and enhance them while following the principle of preserving information and viewpoints. If you can't figure out how any part of an edit benefits an article ask for clarification on the article's or the editor's discussion page."


In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show no reversions before discussion starts. In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show no reversions before discussion starts.
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Misplaced Pages Essay on Reverting Essay on editing Misplaced Pages
This is an essay.
It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Misplaced Pages contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of Misplaced Pages's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints.		Shortcuts

Reverting is reversing a prior edit, in whole or in part. Revert vandalism upon sight but revert an edit made in good faith only after careful consideration. It is usually preferable to make an edit that retains at least some elements of a questionable prior edit than to revert it entirely. Your bias should be toward keeping as much of the prior edit as possible.

Reverting drives away editors

See also: Misplaced Pages:Encourage the newcomers

Reverting tends to be hostile, making editing Misplaced Pages unpleasant. Sometimes this provokes a reciprocal hostility of re-reversion. Sometimes it also leads to editors departing Misplaced Pages, temporarily or otherwise, especially the less bellicose or the inexperienced. This outcome is clearly detrimental to the development of Misplaced Pages. Thus, fair and considered thought should be applied to all reversions given all the above.

Good reasons to revert

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The main purpose of reversion is to undo vandalism or other disruptive edits. If you see an edit that you're sure was intended by its author to damage Misplaced Pages, and it does, there is no need for further consideration. Just revert it.

In the case of a good faith edit, a reversion is appropriate when the reverter believes that the edit makes the article clearly worse and there is no element of the edit that is an improvement. This is often true of small edits.

Whenever you believe that the author of an edit was simply misinformed, made a mistake, or did not think an edit through, go ahead and revert. If that editor (or anyone else) re-reverts, you will know it is more than that, and you should be more conservative in deciding whether to revert it again.

Another kind of acceptable reversion is an incidental one. A Misplaced Pages editor is not expected to investigate the history of an article to find out if an edit being considered is a reversion of some prior edit. The rule against reversions applies only to cases where the reverter is aware that the edit is a reversion of another edit.

Bad reasons to revert

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There are a number of things that sometimes motivate an editor to revert, but should not.

  • Do not revert unnecessary edits (i.e., edits that neither improve nor harm the article). For a reversion to be appropriate, the reverted edit must actually make the article worse. Misplaced Pages does not have a bias toward the status quo (except in some cases of fully developed disputes, while they are being resolved). In fact, Misplaced Pages has a bias toward change, as a means of maximizing quality by maximizing participation.
  • Even if you find an article was slightly better before an edit, in an area where opinions could differ, you should not revert that edit, especially if you are the author of the prior text. The reason for this is that authors and others with past involvement in an article have a natural prejudice in favor of the status quo, so your finding that the article was better before might just be a result of that. Also, Misplaced Pages likes to encourage editing.
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  • Do not revert a large edit because much of it is bad, and you do not have time to rewrite the whole thing. Instead, find even a bit of the edit that is not objectionable and undo the rest. (To do this, you can use the "undo" button, then type or copy back in what you want to keep). If a supporter of the reverted edit wants to save more of it, that editor can re-edit in smaller pieces and the article can converge on a consensus version that way.
  • Reversion is not a proper tool for punishing an editor or retaliating or exacting vengeance. No edit, reversion or not, should be made for the purpose of teaching another editor a lesson or keeping an editor from enjoying the fruits of their crimes.
  • Do not revert an edit as a means of showing your disapproval of the edit summary.
  • Do not revert an edit because you need more time to determine whether you agree with the edit.

Alternatives to reverting

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The most important principle is to continually improve rather than destroy.

If a good-faith edit which adds correct information that readers would find useful is wrong for other reasons, fix it. If a contribution is ungrammatical, improve the grammar. If a citation is incorrectly formatted, fix the format. If you have some minor nitpick of policy, then fix it.

When you find you disagree with an edit, try to find a third version of the text that incorporates at least some of the elements of the prior text and the current text. Sometimes that's as easy as making the article state that there is controversy about something.

You might discuss an edit on the talk page before reverting. But note that Misplaced Pages does not in general require advance approval of edits, and reversions are no exception. If you believe you have a case of an acceptable reversion, you are invited to make that edit unilaterally and if there is disagreement, you'll find out from subsequent edits. (But note the special rules for avoiding edit wars.)

You could also discuss an edit directly with the editor who made it, on that editor's talk page, and request that the editor modify their own work. Or convince you that it's best as it stands.

If an edit has value, but also problems, and you don't have time to fix the problems, tag it. If you're really rushed, you can just leave the article alone; other editors will likely notice the same problems. In either case, someone with more time will fix the problems. You don't have to take personal responsibility for protecting the article from imperfection.

Revert wars are considered harmful (the three-revert rule)

High-frequency reversion wars make the page history difficult to follow, make it hard for other people to contribute, and flood recent changes and watchlists. Misplaced Pages policy forbids anyone from reverting any single article more than three times within a period of 24 hours, with certain exceptions. This is a strict limit, not a given right; you should not revert any one article more than three times daily. Violation of this rule may lead to protection of the page on the version preferred by the non-violating party, blocking, or investigation by the Arbitration Committee. Usage of sockpuppets attempting to circumvent this rule does not prevent a violation. See Misplaced Pages:Three revert rule for details on this.

Explain reverts

See also: WP:REVEXP

Being reverted can feel a bit like a slap in the face – "I worked hard on those edits, and someone just rolled it all back". However, sometimes a revert is the best response to a bad edit, so we can't just stop reverting. What's important is to let people know why you reverted. This helps the reverted person because they can remake their edit while fixing whatever problem it is that you've identified. Obviously it is best to fix the problem and not revert at all.

Explaining reverts also helps other people. For example, it lets people know whether they need to even view the reverted version (in the case of, e.g., "rv page blanking"). Because of the lack of paralanguage online, if you don't explain things clearly, people will probably assume all kinds of nasty things, and that's how edit wars get started.

If your reasons for reverting are too complex to explain in the edit summary, drop a note on the Talk page. A nice thing to do is to drop the note on the Talk page first, and then revert the edit (referencing the talk page in your edit summary), rather than the other way round. Sometimes the other person will agree with you and revert for you before you have a chance. Conversely, if someone reverts your change without apparent explanation, you may wish to wait a few minutes to see if they explain their actions on the article's talk page or your user talk page, or contact the editor and ask for the reason for their revert. Do not engage in discussions in edit summaries. Doing so is a hallmark of edit warring; instead, stop editing and use the talk page.

Avoiding or limiting your reverts

Having realized that article development has ground to a halt because of incessant reversions, two or more people may agree to give higher-than-usual respect to each other's edits. Unlike the three-revert rule, these rules are usually voluntary and self-enforced. For cases where they are imposed as restrictions, see Other revert rules in the edit warring policy.

One-revert rule

Some editors may choose to voluntarily follow a one-revert rule: If you revert a change and someone re-reverts it, discuss it with the re-reverter rather than reverting it a second time.

In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show two reversions (one by each editor) before discussion starts.

Sometimes, users may be limited to one revert by the Arbitration Committee or by the community per the editing restrictions guidance. In other cases, articles or entire topics may be placed under a standing 1RR restriction.

Don't re-revert

Editors with this pledge choose to voluntarily follow the rule that if someone reverts any change of theirs, they don't re-revert it, but discuss it with them. (See Proposal.)

In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show one reversion before discussion starts.

Zero-revert rule

Editors may also choose to adhere to a zero-revert rule, for example:

"Revert only obvious vandalism. Instead of removing or reverting changes or additions you may not like, add to and enhance them while following the principle of preserving information and viewpoints. If you can't figure out how any part of an edit benefits an article ask for clarification on the article's or the editor's discussion page."

In a situation where two editors disagree, if both follow this rule, the history will show no reversions before discussion starts.

Using a zero-revert rule gives fellow editors the benefit of the doubt in all cases. Even in instances where you know the other editor's viewpoint is dead wrong, the fact that some people have this viewpoint can be relevant in itself, and their contributions might be expandable into a useful addition to the article. This rule can be very difficult for some to follow in practice and may sometimes require some creative editing.

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