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== A cup of coffee for you! ==


==Hello!==
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I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
== A cookie for you! ==
:Hello {{u|Liz}}, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. ] (]) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Thanks Jim. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ ] 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
::::Thanks {{u|Dr. Blofeld}}, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ ] 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ ] 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I did and replied. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)


== About bloody time! ==
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:*…and seconded. was a mind-boggling misinterpretation of what you wrote. ] (]) 19:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


- ] (]) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
== Feelings ==
:<small>Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- *ahem* ;) ] 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)</small>
I understand completely why you would feel so aggrieved, the comparison in question was beyond reproach yet the lordly admins involved completely overlooked it. Another editor or two I've encountered lately seem happy to use such analogies, regardless of how despicable they are. Don't be a stranger. Good luck. ] (]) 21:19, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've missed your C bombs, {{u|Serial Number 54129|SN}}; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|SchroCat|You're}} too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
:Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (]) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks {{u|Dank|Dan}}, good to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
:In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, {{u|Dank|Dan}} it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, ] (]) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
::Much thanks, {{u|Ian Rose|Ian}}, lovely to hear from you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thanks {{u|Ian Rose|Ian}}. <s>Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for ] on 26 January? ] and ] are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (]) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC)</s> Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (]) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
:Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. ] (]) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
::Ha, I had some unfinished business ] and ], and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


== Email ==
: Agree, with ], - thanks for the review, --] (]) 21:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)
::Yes, take a few weeks and come back when you feel Ghandi-like. WP can be bruising, but often things work themselves out over time. -- ] (]) 00:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ ] 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


:I've emailed you back. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
*Only three letters: FFS. Have some time to relax, then come back and teach me about an English actress from like the early 20th century. Have you seen ]'s article? Just a bit of a push between you and Silvers, and then... No, she's not comedy, but still...&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 00:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ ] 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
:* We haven't met that I know of. I just wanted to say that it is ironic that a quality editor like yourself would retire over the happenings at Editor Retention. I would feel terrible. I hope you reconsider after a short break. I have cut my involvement down to a bare minimum, too, out of respect for Eric. Banning him was a horrendous terrible decision, but the game goes on. But if I leave then the editor at the heart of all this wins even more. Best, ]<small>]</small> 07:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::You got it! ♦ ] 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
::*Thanks {{u|Buster7|Buster Seven}}. I haven't quit as a result of ER, but because I don't like being compared to a person who goes around wishing rape on a female editor. That comment disgusted me and me only it appears; no one else, other than my friends above have battered an eyelid over this. What I find even more disturbing is having the likes of {{u|Sandstein}} wishing that I had been banned for calling the offending user "a piece of filth", whilst completely ignoring the more serious comment which triggered this "incivility" on my part in the first place. I don't know, perhaps they see rape as an ok thing to do and that its nothing to get too worked up about, who knows?
::::Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


== Good to see your name ==
::*I also feel that Involved admins have failed in their duty to revdel the comment and to block or warn OrangerRyellow and have chosen instead to ignore it. I can put up with the moronic comments and {{u|Baseball Bugs|the idiots who grave dance}}, but I draw the line at having my words twisted into a desire to see someone raped. At the moment, this project is a depressing place to be and I'm better off out of it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 08:42, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. ] (]) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
::You seemed to lose your heart in the project though when you were blocked that one time before Christmas. I've noticed that you haven't been the same since. I think the rape comment more likely made your mind up once and for all that you've had enough rather than being the sole reason, correct me if I'm wrong. It's not as if you've been brimming with editing joy and happiness of late... I had a difficult patch in November on here when I felt like quitting. it can be an utterly miserable place to be at times. Even now I often feel like I'm taken for granted on here and despair at the pointless bollocks which goes on, but I try to retain some sense of focus on what is important. I really think you need some time completely away from the project and to come back with a different mindset and try to regain what attracted you to it in the first place. Tim did a similar thing and I believe it worked wonders for him. I want the old Cassianto back, the one who left fantastic reviews for people and always had an old stage actor or comedian at FAC!!♦ ] 08:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


:Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
:::Yeah, a pretty depressing series of events. Subtle (or not so subtle) insinuations of character totally suck - also there are a shitload of subsequent edits which make revdeleting extremely difficult. sigh. ] (] '''·''' ]) 08:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Echoing this- delighted to see you back. ] (]) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
:::::It's a very sad situation, but once one has been declared "bad" by the more drama-seeking and civility obsessed Admins, there is little one can do to change that, and victimization and unjust treatment will follow, just as Winter follows Autumn. Certain Admins appear to have an autistic-like obsession with certain subjects and people, while that is deplored by many here, the more vocal majority seem to display the same symptoms, and the trouble is encouraged from the very top - as just the other day. However, the solution is to keep battling on because in my long experience here, sooner or later true trouble makers eventually are always seen for exactly what they are, and the writing editors just continue writing. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 09:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


:Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Doc9871, There's been enough bad faith and bile floating round without the need to add to it here. If you've got a beef with Giano, take it elsewhere. - ] (]) 09:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Hi {{ping|Cassianto}} Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px black; font-family:Papyrus">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
:::That's very kind, thank you. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
:Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. ] (]) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
::Bless you, {{u|Ceoil}}, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


== About the “attack page” ==
*Cassianto, I'd written a lengthy paragraph to post here but deleted it before saving so instead I'll simply say how appalled, horrified, '''' I am at the the insinuation that was made and the way some chose to ignore it. I truly hope you can come back - remember, we have a theatre date ... ] - ] 09:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with ]. ] (]) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Don't retire, ''ever''. ] (]) 12:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
::It’s not “secret” if you found it. ] (]) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
:::Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)


== Re yesterday ==
:Cass, There are always people who are here to either make or try to prove a point, and there are others who are here to improve the place with quality articles. You're part of the latter bunch, so we can't afford to lose you. At least after her mistaken impassioned speeches, ] had the grace to say "Never mind". And before this becomes an issue for ANI, I'll remind everyone that ] did not.;) Take a break and take a turn back in this direction! ] (]) 15:07, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - ] (]) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Whether or not you choose to retire is, of course, up to you. I've thought this place depressing for a good six to seven years now; I'm grateful so many editors continue to build the encyclopedia ''despite'' that. With something truly depressing like 2.5K ANI edits I've found unsupported accusations usually make the accuser look far worse than the target, and really good response is simply: please provide a diff of ... Tends to shut folks up pretty quickly when they can't deliver. (Also, please don't call others ''filth'' no matter how aggravated you are.) <small>]</small> 18:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:They are filth if they liken me to someone who wishes rape upon a female editor. What would you call them, misunderstood? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 18:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:*I have to agree with Cass on that. It's worse then trying to play the race card with no basis.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 18:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:*:Seconded, they are indeed "filth". ] ] 18:52, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:*::Thirded. It's hard to imagine a filthier lie. ] (]) 22:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::{{ec}}I would call them wrong, and have asked them to back it up or redact it. <small>]</small> 18:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Calling them "wrong". Well that'll serve them right! How are they going to "back it up"? What evidence is there that I wished rape on a female user? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:23, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::: Again, you seem preoccupied with the user getting blocked, but that would be punitive at this point, not preventative. Why not just accept that they misinterpreted your comments and consequently misrepresented you (I'm not saying they did that, but it appears to be your perception, which is valid.) If you are going to be a proud incivility warrior then you need to learn to take a few jabs yourself, glasshouses and all that. ] (]) 19:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::Because I don't buy it. Their motives were a lot darker than that and if your too stupid to see that then that's your problem. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 19:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::*And there's a difference between calling someone an asshole and saying someone wished rape on another person. If you can't see that there's a difference there, there's something wrong.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 19:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::* Okay, so Cassianto has implied that I am stupid, and you've implied that there is "something wrong" with me because I see a different angle than you do. That's decidedly uncivil, but your position appears to be that this is fine when you do it, but inappropriate when others do it, which is hypocritical. Do you realize that your entire argument breaks down if you AGF for a second, and believe that the other editor truly thinks that Cassianto meant to imply what they say he implied? Only if the other editor is being intentionally manipulative does your argument hold any water. ] (]) 20:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::* I've recently seen other users talk of "rape" and using it as a comparison with editing behaviour. In every case it's flagrantly disgusting: this is Misplaced Pages, not a crime scene where editors' behaviour should be compared to sexual assault, regardless of any "misunderstanding". There is ZERO excuse to allow this kind of comparison to persist, even if it's a "misreading" or a "misunderstanding". If you can't see that, then the implication you allude to seems all too real. ] (]) 20:59, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::* Where's the diff that shows the other user being so uncivil that they should be blocked immediately? ] (]) 21:02, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::*Quite right: typing words into a keyboard to appear on a website is a long, long way away from a violet sexual attack. I struggle to see what sort of person considers them analogous. – ] (]) 21:04, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::* Again, if your too stupid to see it then I wouldn't bother trying to find it. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::* Yep. If ] can't keep up with this conversation, it's best if they remove themselves entirely from it to avoid making themselves appear ]. ] (]) 21:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::* It's provided further up the page, and on the ANI thread, if you wish to see it. - ] (]) 21:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::* How embarrassing! This is like a ''really'' bad satire of Wikipedians. You are apparently saying that is so far beyond the pale that the editor should be immediately blocked for incivility, while continuing to insult anyone and everyone who disagrees with you. Indeed, I've been called stupid, incompetent, and Criso1492 implied there was something wrong with me for not agreeing. Well guess what, lots of people disagree with you. Are they all stupid and/or incompetent? That diff shows a possibly gross misunderstanding of what Cassianto actually meant, if we assume good-faith on his part, and nothing more. Did you really think that Carol accused people of being gang-rapists? Because I didn't see any of you come to her defense when that comment was grossly misinterpreted. Maybe it's time to ] and recover from your indignation. ] (]) 21:21, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::*Utter arse gravy. It's a gross PA and deserves to be treated as such. Only one vociverous little troll has been going disagreeing, and now I see you are also a chum of hers too, trying to defend the indefensible. Good work. - ] (]) 21:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::*{{edit conflict}} Carol quite explicitly called every editor from Manchester a gangbanger, repeatedly, and she was quite explicit in what she meant by that on the GGTF email list. Perhaps you think that's acceptable, but I don't. ] ] 21:29, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::*If the cap fits.... And maybe it's time to redact the erroneous comment relating the behaviour of a Wikipedian to a rapist? ] (]) 21:25, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::* EC, in the USA, where 320,000,000 live, all gangbanger means is that a person is a member of a gang; it does not imply that they have raped someone. So context is important, but admittedly I did not see the email you referred to above. ] (]) 21:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::*{{edit conflict}} I suggest that you read Carol's explanation of what she meant, which is nothing to do with American gangs. But facts are sometimes inconvenient, I know. ] ] 21:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::* I'm not intentionally dodging any facts, but I saw part of her explanation, and I thought she explicitly denied accusing anyone of committing rape. If I am wrong about that I would like to see where she admitted to making the accusation. ] (]) 21:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::*:But you're dodging them nevertheless. Have you read Carol's explanation on the mailing list? ] ] 21:48, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::*:: EC, why don't you just link me to what you want me to read? ] (]) 21:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::*:::Because I really can't be bothered to provide you with links that you'll simply ignore or twist. Go find them yourself. ] ] 22:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::*Really irrelevant ''non sequitur''. The comparison should be deleted, there should be an apology, and then we can possibly think about moving on. ] (]) 21:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::*Rape is rape in any language. If the gangbanger comment was aimed at a race who recognise that word to mean something else, then that is incivility. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 21:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::* So the targets of language decide the meaning of the words used, but ORY ''must'' accept that you didn't mean what they think you meant? Don't you see a contradiction in that logic? ] (]) 21:43, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::*{{u|Rationalobserver}} I cannot believe that anyone would have taking Cassianto's use of the word "fucking" literally as evidenced by the reply . I just don't buy it. At all. Which then begs the question why the comment was made. The slur on someone's character then is much more potent than just being called an expletive. And it lingers. The kerfuffle goes on and many bystanders can't be bothered or unable to find the original comment, so the bad smell just hangs around. It's that simple. Someone once "good naturedly" and "civilly" made a slur on my honesty but it was buried in a long long exchange which then went on as we argued about it, and all other folks could see was two egos bashing heads together. It got me more annoyed than any other exchange I've had here. ] (] '''·''' ]) 22:15, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::::* You make a good point, really, but what good would come from giving a stale block now? ] (]) 22:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
*So, RO, by saying I "implied something is wrong with you", you're saying that you don't see a difference between calling someone an asshole and saying someone wished rape on another person? Thanks.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 22:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::* All I meant was that both are uncivil, not that they were equivalent. ] (]) 22:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*Apparently, calling someone thick is uncivil. Are you saying that that is equal to likening someone to a person who wishes rape on someone? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 22:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::* All I meant was that both are uncivil, not that they were equivalent. It's a strawman argument to suggest that I was asserting an equivalence, because I wasn't. ] (]) 22:25, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::::*Some would think that calling someone thick would be "uncivil". Likening someone to a person who wishes rape on another is twisted, filthy and sick. Being twisted, filthy and sick is worse than being uncivil. Do you now think the two are on an equal footing? '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 22:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::* I never said they were equal, that's your strawman. I said that someone who regularly defends incivility looks hypocritical when asking that the civility guideline be strictly enforced when someone makes an offensive insinuation about them. It's basic glasshouses stuff, this isn't as complicated as you are trying to make it. My point is that you are cherry-picking the civility expectation, which, when it comes to you and others, is entirely optional. ] (]) 22:47, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
FYI Rationalobserver has filed ]. <small>]</small> 22:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::::::::*I'm tired of your bullshit Rationalobserver, goway. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 23:10, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


:Dear {{u|Tim O'Doherty|Tim}}, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
@Cassianto. If you want me to withdraw my comment, just reword your "fucking victim" comment in a non double-meaning way and withdraw all your subsequent PAs against me. If you did not mean it that way, you have no imperative reason to insist that you will not reword your "fucking victim" comment. If you insist that you will not reword your comment, I am also going to insist on not withdrawing mine.] (]) 23:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - ] (]) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
:I will do no such thing and I shall ask you to keep off my talk page. You sicken me. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 23:24, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I apologise too. Hope to see you around. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
:*The above comment, and tell me all I need to know about the type of editor we're dealing with here. - ] (]) 23:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::*I just want to ask, where the ..... are the admin? It feels like nothing is being done about anything. - ] (]) 01:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
:::*This has been my point all along {{u|Knowledgekid87}}. '''<span style="text-shadow:7px 7px 8px Black;">]<sup>]</sup></span>''' 09:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


==And some trolls call me obsessive!==
::::*The truth is that all of these people know very well that "fucking victim" does not mean "victim of fucking", and '''even''' if it did, that would not equate to rape victim - because fucking and raping are two entirely different activities. If anyone needs me to explain the difference I am happy to do so. A 'victim of fucking' (not that anyone would ever use the expression) could just as easily be some poor sod who had had a heart attack whilst climaxing. There is no noun that becomes sexual-intercouse definitive when the F adjective is placed before it. A 'fucking house' is not a brothel and a 'fucking idiot' is not a fool engaging in sex - not even here on Misplaced Pages where we seem to have so many. So can we now have an end to this stupidity? <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">]</span> ] 13:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs ''and'' in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with ] sometime. Cheers - ] (]) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)


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Hello!

Hi, Cassianto,

I was wondering if you decided to return to the project. I know we had some disagreements years ago but you've been missed! Liz 19:01, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello Liz, thanks ever so much for your message, that's very kind of you. The jury is currently out deciding if I made the right decision to return, but I guess only time will tell. There's a few bits on here that I wanted to do (time allowing) so hopefully I can be left alone in relative peace to get on with it. I must admit, I can't remember our disagreements, but I certainly bear no grudge. I think it's important to remember that having disagreements is a fundamental part of human interaction and are good and healthy to have. Thanks for popping by and I hope to see you around. Cassianto 20:21, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Hello, Cassianto. I, too, want to welcome you back. I remember disagreeing with you from time to time, but I never once doubted that you have made outstanding contributions to this encyclopedia. I hope that resumes and I wish you well. Cullen328 (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Jim. Cassianto 21:07, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Good to see you back! I sent you a gmail message just to check if you got my email!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Dr. Blofeld, I've not been receiving your messages, which I find most odd. The Gmail one went straight to my junk. Cassianto 19:52, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
Yesterday I sent a link to my cousin, and he said it was blocked from viewing. It's starting to feel like somebody is monitoring and censoring things! I got your test, see if you get the Got It email. My sister's husband, a fit guy of only 43 almost died of a heart attack last week, artery 98% collapsed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm so very sorry to hear that, how devastating for your family. There certainly seems to be a lot of unexplained heart problems at the moment. I wonder what's causing it? Cassianto 18:25, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Just sent you an email, did you get it? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:58, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
I did and replied. Cassianto 06:38, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

About bloody time!

- SchroCat (talk) 14:56, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Tell me about it! I've missed not having anyone to call a c- *ahem*  ;) SN54129 15:54, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
I've missed your C bombs, SN; it's one of the reasons I returned as I was having withdrawal symptoms. Cassianto 06:44, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
You're too kind, thanks. By the way, where has the "thank" button gone? Cassianto 06:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Welcome back, good to see you. - Dank (push to talk) 03:07, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Dan, good to hear from you. Cassianto 13:36, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
In the best Australianese, I can only echo the section heading... ;-) While we're here, Dan it's good to see you back at TFA...! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Much thanks, Ian, lovely to hear from you. Cassianto 15:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
Thanks Ian. Btw, can you recommend a TFA article (rerun or not) for Australia Day on 26 January? Australia and Canberra are options, but I'm a little wary because Main Page people tend to scrutinize country and city articles. - Dank (push to talk) 15:51, 19 July 2023 (UTC) Striking ... too controversial, we'll find a different day. - Dank (push to talk) 12:08, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
Fuck me dead. I genuinely thought you'd retired for good, even took this talk page off my watchlist. Welcome back. I hope you've been well. Mr rnddude (talk) 21:06, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Ha, I had some unfinished business here and here, and Mrs Cassianto was getting annoyed with the books hanging around, so I thought I'd get these finished. Hope you're well! Cassianto 21:14, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Email

I sent you something this morning and got back "This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address failed: (yours)

SMTP error from remote server for MAIL FROM command, blablabla. All messages from my (ip) will be permanently def erred; Retrying will NOT succeed. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:07, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

I've emailed you back. Cassianto 11:48, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
It blocked the second attempt too! So I just tried sending two urls. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
You got it! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:20, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Thanks very much, yes, and duly forwarded on to others of like mindedness :) Cassianto 16:46, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

Good to see your name

Good to see your name around. I'm not the most active these days, but a positive for the project that you're around. TonyBallioni (talk) 00:03, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Tony. I had some unfinished projects eating away at my conscience, so felt it right to return to get them finished. I hope you're well. Cassianto 07:52, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Echoing this- delighted to see you back. Jip Orlando (talk) 15:47, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind message, Jip. Hope to see you around. All the best Cassianto 16:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)
Hi @Cassianto: Good to see you back. I'm really glad your back with your original name, which I thought was cool. scope_creep 20:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
That's very kind, thank you. Cassianto 21:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
Great to see you also Cas. Its almost like old times and hope you are well. Ceoil (talk) 18:44, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Bless you, Ceoil, lovely to hear from you. All good here; please give my best to Liz. Cassianto 19:03, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

About the “attack page”

I was recording the apparent stance of editors of the Gilbert and Sullivan project on infoboxes to make a case about systemic bias on the project as almost all active users don’t seem terribly fond of infoboxes. Even if you disagree with the categorization that hardly constitutes an “attack”, especially in comparison with your comparison of me to the Schutzstaffel. Dronebogus (talk) 20:46, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Well don't. I don't much enjoy having my name secretly recorded by strangers off the internet. Your list is not only weird and creepy and akin to what the Nazis did in the 1940s, it is also factually wrong. I'm not "anti" anything, and if you bothered to check my article creation history, you'll see that I have included infoboxes on many of the articles I have started. But then you wouldn't have, would you, as it'll ruin your narrative. Cassianto 20:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
It’s not “secret” if you found it. Dronebogus (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
Correction, I was told about it. Secret or not, it's weird. Please remove my name. You've no reason to include it anywhere and accompany it with false information. Cassianto 21:04, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Re yesterday

Hello Cassianto. Sorry about what happened yesterday. I was overly aggressive and I apologise. I'm not in the business of burning bridges and I'm not going to be starting now. I don't like Misplaced Pages pile-ons and got a bit annoyed at seeing one happen to an editor whom I've had a positive opinion of for a while now. Please don't think I'm a bad faith actor sniping from the sidelines: just trying to do what I think is right, but obviously chose the nuclear option there. Don't want to kill any future collaboration we may have on an article, so coming here to rebuild that bridge. All the best for the future - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 13:30, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Tim, thank you for your message. It was an unfortunate situation and not one I wish to see repeated. Whilst it is regrettable that you and I had crossed words, and I bear no grudge, I don't regret my initial concern with my name being used, alongside a false description, on a weird list by a complete stranger. Anyway, let's hope that is now behind us. Best regards. Cassianto 20:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Thanks. Again, I apologise. Never met you before, so regret that was our first interaction. Just to clear the air. Cheers - Tim O'Doherty (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
I apologise too. Hope to see you around. Cassianto 06:53, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

And some trolls call me obsessive!

Pointless noise and yet still missing the point? Plus ca change with those who "never speak about" such things, unless it's behind people's backs and in the gutter at the same time! Hope you're keeping well; we'll have to sort out some pre-Christmas drinks with the old fella sometime. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, these people (I can think of other words) will never realise who the real trouble makers are around infoboxes; it's certainly plain enough for the rest of us to see, which leads me to believe that perhaps they're in on it. It's my belief that the reason these infobox trolls and their admin enablers are all so full of their own self importance in the pretend world of Misplaced Pages is that they need to make up for clear inadequacies they have in reality. God forbid if these people are in real life positions of power. I'll be in touch about Christmas - let's arrange something. December is looking more likely than this month. Cassianto 07:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
This is from the old fella (SchroCat will pay for his impertinence). You'd both better come round to Riley Towers again in December. A buffet and any amount of wet will be available. Kindly sort some dates out by email; I can't do 1st, 4th or 12th. Tim riley talk 22:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

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A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2024 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls, vandals or visits from Krampus!

Cheers

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Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! Wishing you a Very Merry Christmas and here's to a happy and productive 2025! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:36, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!


Have a great Christmas, and may 2025 bring you joy, happiness – and no trolls or vandals!

Cheers

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Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda.
Happy Christmas and Best wishes for a peaceful 2025: "Gabriel's Message" performed by the Winchester Cathedral Choir.
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