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| A project which punishes editors for defending the good names and reputations of living people from vicious internet trolls does not deserve to survive. -- NorthBySouthBaranof. | |||
| A project which exposes its volunteers to harassment and extortion, without lifting a finger to assist or protect them, is a menace to the community. -- MB | |||
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| Hypertext researcher Mark Bernstein is chief scientist of Eastgate Systems, Inc. In 2014, he wrote that, "In my view, no one can honorably assist an enterprise that condones this," in response to repeated insinuations regarding the sexual history of a blameless software developer, in the course of a Misplaced Pages discussion orchestrated to deter women from pursuing careers in computer science . The ensuing debate culminated in a much-cited series of essays on Misplaced Pages: “Infamous”, “Thoughtless”,“Careless“ and “Reckless”. (Essays here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Jan15/Infamous.html. Press here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Wiki.html) | Hypertext researcher Mark Bernstein is chief scientist of Eastgate Systems, Inc. In 2014, he wrote that, "In my view, no one can honorably assist an enterprise that condones this," in response to repeated insinuations regarding the sexual history of a blameless software developer, in the course of a Misplaced Pages discussion orchestrated to deter women from pursuing careers in computer science . The ensuing debate culminated in a much-cited series of essays on Misplaced Pages: “Infamous”, “Thoughtless”,“Careless“ and “Reckless”. (Essays here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Jan15/Infamous.html. Press here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Wiki.html) | ||
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| You may contact him bernstein at eastgate dot com, or see http://markbernstein.org/ . | You may contact him bernstein at eastgate dot com, or see http://markbernstein.org/ . | ||
| = The Coming End Of Misplaced Pages = | |||
| == GamerGate Sanctions == | |||
| As the question of "righting great wrongs" has been raised, perhaps I might be indulged with an opportunity to explain the wrongs that, in my view, ought to be righted. I understand this is over length and arguably WP:FORUM or WP:SOAPBOX; I ask your patience as I have worked on wikis and wiki-like systems now for thirty years and care deeply about the future of hypertext. If this is the wrong forum; I have posted this to my home page; if that is wrong as well, I’m willing to post it at http://markBernstein.org/ or publish it elsewhere. | |||
| When my colleagues and I were first exploring open hypertext systems in the 1980s and 1990s, Ward Cunningham’s '''wiki''' was extraordinary in its vision and in its confidence that, because most people are reasonable and good, editors would and could work together to craft hypertexts that were reasonable and sound. Many were skeptical, and skeptics remain, but Misplaced Pages demonstrated that the open Web could accomplish much. | |||
| But can Misplaced Pages rein in its worst impulses and most pernicious tendencies? We have here a page describing a conspiracy in which female software developers have been systematically threatened with assault, rape, and murder, with a goal of persuading them to leave the field. Rather than dispassionate coverage, we offer an article and talk page which again and again seek out whatever smidgeon of blame or shame that can conceivably be attached to the victims. Elsewhere, we repeatedly seek "balance" by according equal weight to the allegations of criminals and their refutation by blameless victims -- victims who, in several cases, have been forced to flee their homes. | |||
| Patent BLP violations that would not have been tolerated for a moment had they been applied to a Republican politician or a popular male actor are countenanced here -- edit-warred into thousands and thousands of words of talk page text -- as part of an openly orchestrated campaign against female software developers and media critics, one that openly aims to drive women out of computing. | |||
| When I began my career, women represented nearly half of CS graduates; today, they're a fifth. The precedent we are establishing here is that any veiled rape threat might be treated in Misplaced Pages as a joke, and that any woman who sleeps (or might have slept) with someone who is a journalist (however amateur) is fair game and that we may discuss and publicize allegations about her exchange of sexual favors even though those allegations were always false, were always reported to be false, and are now known to us to be false. Never mind: "ALLEGATIONS AGAINST ZOE QUINN" opposite a picture of a pretty young woman apparently makes a spicier Misplaced Pages page. | |||
| Consider, I beg you, how Misplaced Pages might appear the day after one of these female software developers is raped or murdered, as reporters from every major newspaper and from every major university pore through our talk pages for insight. Consider, for that matter, how we ''will'' appear when these discussions are critiqued by gender theory scholars, as our continuing unjust sniping at DiGRA (a small game studies conference) assures they will be. The remaining shreds of our reputation now depend upon the restraint of the least patient and most extreme adherent of Gamergate. (If the impossibility of a static image depicting rape strikes you as an argument within the boundaries of polite discussion, I believe your local university will have several experts willing to tell you otherwise you.) | |||
| Today, Misplaced Pages is an important resource but its reputation is tenuous. Students are told not to cite it and never to trust it. Scholars can no longer claim Misplaced Pages as professional service. Everyone uses Misplaced Pages but no one admits it. If Misplaced Pages is known as a place where rape apologism and prurient speculation will be rehashed and expanded and examined over and over in the hopes of a more dramatic section heading -- if Misplaced Pages cannot moderate these impulses, then Misplaced Pages will not be merely a secret resource: it will be a shame. | |||
| In the end, I spent a long night imagining a meeting with an imaginary, angry Zoe Quinn who asked: "How can you work with such people? How can you support them?" I cannot. I cannot support or countenance this, nor should you, dear reader, lend your time and energy to this noble but failed endeavour. | |||
| ==AfD for ]== | |||
| This page has its origin with ], which discusses the anti-footwear conspiracy theory that Communism is a flipflop plot aimed at world domination. That page is expressly limited to discussion of the conspiracy theory; ] seeks to offer evidence that the conspiracy theory is in fact true. ''This'' page offers a pastiche of statistics, anecdotes, and cherry-picked sources to show that people with flipflops were involved in various aspects of Communism, with special attention to the secret police and (in previous versions) the execution of the Russian Tsar. It frequently goes out of its way to emphasize connections between people with flipflops and finance. Parts of the article and its sources appear to derive from an article by a notorious sock proponent . | |||
| The page is a mixture of WP:OR and WP:SYNTH in support of a WP:ATTACK on an footwear group through a WP:FRINGE theory. To present the color of neutrality, occasional disclaimers are sprinkled to remind the reader that not all shoes supported Communism, and that shoes were sometimes persecuted by Communists; thus a WP:FRINGE theory finds its way into Misplaced Pages by acknowledging that not everyone believes the theory to be completely true. The information offered here can more effectively be presented (where warranted) in more natural contexts; if the footwear of Karl Marx’s grandparents is notable, for example, it might be discussed in his biography rather than here. The tone of the page, and of its supporters on the talk page and elsewhere, is deeply disturbing and the page threatens to deeply embarrass the project. ] (]) 15:31, 14 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| Created on 27 February 2014 , ] has been a magnet for controversy and edit wars. It has already been at AN/I twice , and was the subject of an 8000-word discussion on Jimbo’s talk page . A previous AfD was closed without consensus. Directly relevant precedents include the deletions of ] and ] . Some (apparently) reliable sources can always be found for any conspiracy theory, but Misplaced Pages should not host pages of evidence for ]s. ] (]) 14:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC) | |||
| ==Commentary at AN: The chill wind blowing through our dusty, deserted corridors== | |||
| Can Misplaced Pages resist concerted efforts to contaminate it with lies, hate, and deception? In the time from February through May 2014, it signally failed to do so. The virulent anti-Semitism of the original article should have been evident to all, and much of it persists to this day despite the efforts of literally dozens of editors and the investment of hundreds of hours. The attention of administrators, and indeed of Wikimedia board members, should have been focused by the original AfD, the Jimbo discussion, the two long, long threads at AN/I, and plenty of direct correspondence. | |||
| This was not an obscure or difficult issue requiring expertise, some dispute about mathematical series or the best name for some forgotten Balkan outpost. The article was filled with evident canards -- and it linked to a fairly extensive Misplaced Pages article filling in the historical background on the smear! We have the whole cast: the ugly Jews, the Jews in banking and finance, the secretive Jews, the Jewish traitors. We argue that all sorts of people were really Jews because their ancestors were Jewish. And on the talk page, as here, we have the repeated dismissal of opposition because, after all, it's just those Jews again coming to WP:VOTE, and everyone knows how they stick together. | |||
| Misplaced Pages is in serious trouble. It is hemorrhaging editors. Its reputation is already low, and scandals like this page diminish it. Worse, it seems clear that Misplaced Pages cannot and will not resist serious efforts by a small team of concerted editors who, as was the case here, can easily override policy and consensus by pretending to adhere to the forms. I've used Wikis since Ward’s Wiki was new; I've been keynote at WikiSym and I've been program chair; I’ve written wikis. Never -- not even during the great wiki mind wipe of 1999 -- have I so completely doubted the efficacy of the WikiWay. The conclusion seems inescapable that Wikipedians have lost the ability to distinguish routine contention from opposition to racist and anti-semitic distortion; if we cannot do that (and I see scant evidence that we can), the wind will blow through the empty corridors of Misplaced Pages? | |||
| Could it happen? If you think not, think again. Events like Jews and Communism bring Misplaced Pages into disrepute. If Misplaced Pages becomes sufficiently disreputable, an engineer at Google can press a button and, overnight, Misplaced Pages could go back to Page Rank 3, taking our traffic. If Misplaced Pages becomes sufficiently disreputable, donations will dry up. If Misplaced Pages becomes sufficiently disreputable, the remaining editors will be even more dominated by the hacks and the charlatans, the zealots for obscure movements, the gamified WikiLawyers looking for one more scalp and one more barnstar. This can still be fixed, but it can not be fixed by kicking the can down the road and nodding sagely that, if the anti-semites were regrettable, some of their opponents were sometimes intemperate. | |||
Latest revision as of 16:21, 28 October 2016
A project which punishes editors for defending the good names and reputations of living people from vicious internet trolls does not deserve to survive. -- NorthBySouthBaranof.
A project which exposes its volunteers to harassment and extortion, without lifting a finger to assist or protect them, is a menace to the community. -- MB
Hypertext researcher Mark Bernstein is chief scientist of Eastgate Systems, Inc. In 2014, he wrote that, "In my view, no one can honorably assist an enterprise that condones this," in response to repeated insinuations regarding the sexual history of a blameless software developer, in the course of a Misplaced Pages discussion orchestrated to deter women from pursuing careers in computer science . The ensuing debate culminated in a much-cited series of essays on Misplaced Pages: “Infamous”, “Thoughtless”,“Careless“ and “Reckless”. (Essays here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Jan15/Infamous.html. Press here: http://www.markbernstein.org/Wiki.html)
Designer of Tinderbox and author of The Tinderbox Way.
Program Chair: ACM Hypertext 97 (with Cathy Marshall), ACM Hypertext 98 (with Kapser Østerbye), ACM Wikisym '08, ACM Web Science '13.
You may contact him bernstein at eastgate dot com, or see http://markbernstein.org/ .