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This account has been blocked indefinitely as a sock puppet of Ajdebre (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · logs · block log · arb · rfc · lta · SPI · cuwiki) that was created to violate Misplaced Pages policy. Note that using multiple accounts is allowed, but using them for illegitimate reasons is not, and that all edits made while evading a block or ban may be reverted or deleted. If this account is not a sock puppet, and you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by first reading the guide to appealing blocks, then adding the text {{unblock|Your reason here ~~~~}} below. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I am not going to lie, that's an old account. But I don't think that an indef for this account is necessary. I am not presently a sock. I've grown immensely since those editing days (note 2010–11), and you should understand that it was beginner mistakes and not vandalism or disruption that caused the "master" block (I have no interest in that account). User:Resnjari's The entire Zoupan account was created to avoid blocks (presented like a powerful epilogue) is an exaggeration, perhaps to illegitimize my contribution here; digging up edits that old and presenting it as a current theme surely points at such intention. Zoupan is presently my only account, my clean start (way back); it may have started as an evasion (again, note 2010–11), but it is implied that I am using this/my account to abuse WP. That is not true, check my contribution in the last years, I have only aimed to expand with qualitative content. I hope that you instead will give my block here an expiry date. Thanks.Zoupan 18:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Decline reason:

"I am not going to lie, that's an old account." You've just admitted that you are evading a block with this account. This account was created 3 months after the block on Ajdebre. You cannot declare this account as a "clean start" while you are openly evading a previous block. RickinBaltimore (talk) 19:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

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That's a shame. I am going to return in a year and re-request an end to the Indefinite block, to show that I respect WP and that I am serious with contributing (from this, or if necessary, a new account). I will not engage in any puppetry. In the meantime, I think admins and editors should be aware of the anticipated campaign to revert or illegitimize my contribution here (years back?), in order to tilt contentious issues into their hands, as seen by this example. Until next time.--Zoupan 00:24, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Zoupan, its concerning that your now making unfounded allegations about other editors behavior. You ought to apologize at the very least. Misplaced Pages policy, as per WP:SOCKSTRIKE is firm on edits by a sock account and actions taken by editors are in line with policy and not illegitimate. Any new account by you would be a continuation of socking.Resnjari (talk) 00:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Ajdebre, if you cared to actually read what I wrote I was actually arguing that your concerns were to be taken into consideration and a "Name" section created. However, paranoid accusations of a "campaign" against yourself aside, the "contributions" of banned sockpuppeteers cannot be illegitimized because as per wiki policy, every single one of them is illegitimate. You made your choice. You could have come clean at any time and requested an unblock based on your contributions. You chose not to, and deceived the community for years while, as documented by Resnjari, you continued to push the same bizarre POVs that you had been doing with the accounts Kovac, SlavSlav and Ajdebre. Sometimes you make good points-- that's why I argued to take this particular one into consideration -- however you cannot play the victim when this entire situation is the result of your willing deceit of our community. I also wonder what you mean by your "new account if necessary" statement. If you try to get around your block a fifth time, the consequences will be quite predictable, especially as editors like myself who were totally unaware of what you were hiding now are quite aware. Don't waste your time.--Calthinus (talk) 01:56, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Resnjari: Please read the discussion at Talk:Leposavić. There are three sources (and common sense) explicitly speaking against the inclusion of "Albanik" (a metaphor for ultra-nationalist Albanian anti-Serbian behaviour in Kosovo) as an alternate name, but these are strangely dismissed now because I was the one presenting them? The comments in favour of the inclusion are terribly novice. I would never apologize for such a silly thing, get off your horse or at least stay on it and be productive and comment on that matter. Admins and editors should indeed be wary, as some editors will without a doubt misuse my case and edit articles accordingly. Explain how WP:SOCKSTRIKE's removing some of their edits is acceptable. This is NOT done to spite or punish them. It is done to alleviate the disruption/deception caused by abusing multiple accounts is reality in my case. The "master" was blocked 8 years ago due to beginner-uploads of images and sloppy paraphrasing when presenting organizations (CV), and not VD, DE, EW, etc. I am aware of the rules, read my comment, I believe I made it perfectly clear – I have no intention of disrupting WP, and if the Indef block was to be retracted, which I hope, I would like to continue editing from this account which I have built up, but I would also accept a clean start. @Admins: You will not see me in any form editing WP until this matter is finalized, period, I promise.--Zoupan 02:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Calthinus, it was years ago, get over it. I've said what I had to say.--Zoupan 02:05, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

It was years ago and it continued, because you kept up the lie. As I said, you had the option to come clean at any moment throughout all that time. That being said if you do ever come back, on this account or "another", I do hope you won't be pushing fringe theories like these ]]. Or crude POV stunts like . --Calthinus (talk) 02:24, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Ajdebre, you were not transparent with the Misplaced Pages community about your past behavior. You claim knowledge of the rules, but your actions show a high disregard for them. Considering that you have lodged over the years reports on editors for socking, now making a big fuss that the rules don't apply to you because you made many edits over the years is hypocritical. You made those edits because no one picked up on the fact that this is a sock account and it was allowed to continue an era of deception that now is exposed and ended. Misplaced Pages in its policy on socking does not have a special section on Zoupan that says different rules apply, that somehow if a sock account evades getting sanctioned for years and makes multiple edits they are 'redeemed'. Otherwise there would be other former editors out there also clamoring for the same thing to administrators who have done similar things as to you. Rules are the rules. Respect them.Resnjari (talk) 22:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Ajdebre/Zoupan/whoever is a closed case. Move on everybody, let him rest in peace. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Hello. I edit as an IP and this guy had reported me as a sock of some editor several times. He even accused me of cherry picking when I tried to collect ALL sources on a metter. In my opinion he was POV pushing for a long time. You can't accuse someone of cherry picking for collecting all sources on the matter. 141.138.42.196 (talk) 01:29, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

You were indef-banned. We all know why you edit as IP. FkpCascais (talk) 21:46, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Unblock request

Given the fact that you have a clean block log since November 2011 and no topic bans at this period it's almost certain that your unblock request will be accepted provided that you offer a sincere apology for the 2010 socking.Alexikoua (talk) 17:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Rules are rules. What i find interesting here @Alexikoua: is you defending a sock account (literally a first) after having lodged over the years many a report on (suspected) editors socking. This proven sock account showed no regard for Misplaced Pages and its policies. The whole creation and purpose of this account was to evade sanctions. Its amazing that such behavior lasted for so long and was not picked by other editors much earlier who seem to pick up other socking behavior or allege it of others..Resnjari (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Off course rules are rules and let me remind you that you launched an endless campaign to defend multiple times sockfarmer user:Sulmues. Zoupan had a clean record for 7 years and this needs to be mentioned.. On the other hand your block log and Ktrimi's are not clear during the last years.Alexikoua (talk) 08:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Alexikoua, i see you have fine form in the smear department. When a editor is proven they are a sockpuppeter, its over as per Misplaced Pages policy. I have never gone to a page of an editor to say they ought to be unblocked for socking, ever. Facts, not fiction or conspiracy theories. As i said and will say again here, there is an array of editors who lodge year in and year out reports on many a editor, yet cry wolf and talk about 'unfairiness' and redemption of a sockpuppeter. Talk about hypocrisy. Rules apply to everyone, not just someone who might be a friend or on friendly terms with and then the rules get thrown out the window. If the sock account wants to rejoin the Misplaced Pages community, they can make their own case to remove sanctions. Also i should remind you that you have blocks in your account, such as pushing Greek nationalist Northern Epirus gibberish on Albanian Misplaced Pages and were blocked by administrators for it.Resnjari (talk) 09:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Then you should complain in sq:wiki since you have nothing against me in this encyclopedia. As for Zoupan, his clean block record the last 7 years is a good argument for him contrary to other editors you were blocked due to recent edit warring in en:wiki.Alexikoua (talk) 11:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Alexikoua, with you since you decided to down that road, it covers everything. Ajdrebre does not have a clean record. The account was created to evade sanctions and only lasted this long because no one picked up on the sockpuppetry earlier. This account is a sockpuppet that deceived the Misplaced Pages community for years. Administrators have acted accordingly, as per policy of Misplaced Pages.Resnjari (talk) 21:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

In 2016 a one week reverting restriction was imposed on Zoupan due to repeated edit warring. The decision was under ARBMAC, see the list on its page. Ktrimi991 (talk) 22:29, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Ktrimi991 and Resnjari, look at your block-log. Both of you have been blocked much recently than Zoupan, both more than once, and you are cheering here? BOOMERANG in horizont. FkpCascais (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I think what Alexikoua said is absolutely right. Blocking an editor for things done 7 years ago while in meantime he has been a highly active and productive editor is very unfair. Also, by seing the party some ediors are having with getting him blocked indicates clearly the essential role Zoupan was having in archiving balance to the articles those editors edit forcing their POV. I am still amaised how an editor can be blocked for tthings done so long ago. FkpCascais (talk) 00:09, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@FkpCascais:, strawman arguments about other editors don't count here. I find your claims about "cheering" quite inappropriate. Lodging a report about socking is serious and no laughing matter. Ajdebre socked and deceived the Misplaced Pages community for years to evade sanctions through multiple accounts with "Zoupan" being the latest incarnation. Misplaced Pages rules are strict about this. If Ajdebre is allowed to get away with this behavior then all other sock accounts will want the same treatment. What is interesting is that some editors here who have over the years lodged multiple SPI's on other editors for (alleged or proven) socking are for the first time coming out in support of a proven sock account!Resnjari (talk) 01:03, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I hate socks myself, but how long was that Ajdebre episode happened? FkpCascais (talk) 01:30, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

He was POV pushing for ages. I wouldn't call someone very productive when he's POV pushing. I was personally accused of being a sock several times by this user and since I edit as an IP I was often banned without second thought. Once he even accused me of cherry picking when I have opened a discussion where we could collect all sources on the matter since they were scattered over many discussions. So please Fkp, stop defending him. You are as much a POV pusher as he is. I read the SPI and I can't believe someone is capable of doing so much research. Maybe you should look how an SPI should look like before accusing someone of being a sock. 141.138.42.196 (talk) 01:39, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

And here we come, the usual regional indef-banned sockpuppets editing freely en.wikipedia as IP´s without any restrictions... But it is Zoupan who must be eliminated right? The one and only Serbian editor oposing anti-Serbian POV, he must be eliminated right? Such a stone in the shue. FkpCascais (talk) 02:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

If you think spreading fringe historical theories and making Islamophobic edits like is "oposing anti-Serbian POV", I have no words for you.--Calthinus (talk) 03:19, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

I am glad you brought such edit, that is a perfectly encyclopedic edit where he puts in context the entire subject of the article. Where is the exact "islamophobic" edit ? FkpCascais (talk) 03:58, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

No a page about Islam in Uzbekistan did not need a section on terrorism to discuss the involvement of ethnic Uzbeks abroad (some of these actually had Russian not Uzbek citizenship). Cherrypicking and WP:SYNTH to overemphasize the actions of a small handful of ethnic Uzbeks abroad out of a country with 33 million people into an entire section is ridiculous (do we get a section about terrorism on Orthodox Christianity in Serbia because of Gavrilo Princip and his buddies? No that would be outrageous and bigoted). Also, FkpCascais I don't appreciate your recent stalking of me.--Calthinus (talk) 04:13, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

FkpCascais Enough of the negative drama though. There's no reason for us to continue bickering about this. If Zoupan wants to come back, he can make the appeal himself-- we do not need to argue about his merits pointlessly here. Despite disagreements, I do recognize Zoupan/Ajdebre was a smart individual. TThe issues I had with his edits were ethical and that I felt he was pushing his view onto an encyclopedia. But he had good skills of research. He is better off using his intelligence in real life-- where I am sure he is much more useful to employer. Best, --Calthinus (talk) 04:32, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. Years of deceiving the Misplaced Pages community with sock accounts is no light matter. If Ajdebre wants to rejoin the Misplaced Pages community that account can make the case to administrators.Resnjari (talk) 09:36, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Zoupan can request to return to our community. I don't see any reason why he should avoid that.Alexikoua (talk) 11:40, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Alexikoua Ajdebre can request, but administrators have already turned him down once.Resnjari (talk) 21:50, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Resnjari: I assume you ignore the fact the he can fill a new request.Alexikoua (talk) 12:43, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Alexikoua, as i said previously Ajdebre can file as many requests as they wish to from their talkpage -that is their right. In the same way its the right of administrators to enforce Misplaced Pages policy on sockpuppetry.Resnjari (talk) 07:20, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

Calthinus, I am very sorry to hear you calling me anti-Islamic. The edits you are talking about includes information on a very interesting and current theme, and the edits include sectioning, interlinks and various secondary sources on Islam and Islamism (encouraging expansion of the article). I didn't think that the edits would warrant a separate article. The Uzbek state have listed 18,000 religious extremists, and several thousands have joined belligerent Jihadist organizations (!). I have no idea how you are reasoning when mentioning Gavrilo Princip and "Orthodox extremism" (?); is that your critical thinking?--Zoupan 12:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

141.138.42.196 (talk · contribs · logs) is Asdisis.--Zoupan 12:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Request

You are warring again. Start a discussion on the talk page if your recent edits are not seen as improvement by others. You are currently massively reverting at least four other editors. Ktrimi991 (talk) 04:27, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Ktrimi991 Look above. He's banned. Ancient sockpuppeteer and longtime mysticist POV-pusher apparently, obsessed with the claiming Serbian origins for parts of neighboring peoples and... Assyrians, oddly enough. Fascinating case really. Wiki has all the most interesting people.--Calthinus (talk) 05:30, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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Socking again

Hello Ajdebre. I see you are socking again. It is not a good practice, and needs a report. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:42, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

I just want to make it clear that JebaczSR (talk · contribs · count) is not my account, as Ktrimi991 claims here. However, that article is indeed a copy of an older draft (User:SlavSlav/Early_Slavs), so I understand the fuzz, but that user obviously simply copied it after reading the comments by Resnjari, I suspect in order to make my return harder. I would not be that dumb. As I'm blocked, I can't defend myself so I'm hoping someone makes it clear that I deny any connection with JebaczSR. I swear that I have not socked since the beginning of this Zoupan account; I had a stint of a couple low-contributions accounts when Ajdebre was blocked, all found by Resnjari. I urge Ktrimi991 to prove that I am socking again if you can't take my word. --Zoupan 10:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Ajdebre, i have a ping from you, so i'll reply. You got caught once socking and administrators banned you. As your socking was for a prolonged period, other editors seem to be cautious. As for a return, are you serious? Why would your wiki ban get overturned for socking while others would have theirs in place? Time to move on.Resnjari (talk) 02:54, 25 October 2019 (UTC)

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Википедија на српском

Пошто видим да си овде блокиран на трајно због некакве бедастоће, као уредник српске википедије који цени твој рад (повремено налећем на твоје, квалитетно написане чланке када читам о нашем 18. и 19. веку), позивам те да дођеш на ср.њики да уређујеш са нама. Треба нам добрих и квалитетних уредника као што си ти :) Позз --Ivan VA (talk) 18:28, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

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