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==Wiki Education assignment: Foundations II== | |||
==formaldehyde== | |||
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Claims of exposure to chemicals, including formaldehyde are medical claims. This requires a ] secondary source like a review. I have removed a claim here that used a "Correspondence" or letter to the journal as a source. This is not a ] secondary source. ] | |||
<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by ] (]) 19:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)</span> | |||
== Peer reviews from Group Heat Exhaustion == | |||
==Questionable source== | |||
There is a claim on the page tied to http://www.bignewsnetwork.com. I can find no mention of editorial oversight on this site. In fact the about page says "We do not have a research team". ] 01:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
· ] (]) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
I placed this section, when I placed a tag, that CFCF removed. I am replacing the tag as well. ] 22:44, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Now that there are better sources available we don't need this one. ] (]) 23:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Your mammoth edit is not a product of consensus. You made a large change without any discussion whatsoever. ] 23:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::I deleted the source you tagged. ] (]) 23:10, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
'''1. Do the group's edits substantially improve the article as described in the Misplaced Pages peer review "Guiding framework"? ''' | |||
== RFC: Are medical statements such as those from the World Lung Foundation reliable for medical content? == | |||
Per the Misplaced Pages peer review guiding framework, the group's edits substantially improve the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes". The following changes have been noted: | |||
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# Lead Section: | |||
The dispute revolves around material from the ] which was removed and mterial from the ] was removed . | |||
##The previous lead was brief and lacked detail about the major sections of the article. | |||
##The revised lead has been significantly expanded, providing a more comprehensive overview of the article's contents. | |||
#Content: | |||
##New, relevant, and up-to-date information has been added, addressing recent studies and findings. | |||
##Some specific additions include: | |||
###Expanded section on cardiovascular effects, citing a 2023 study linking e-cigarette use to increased blood pressure and arterial stiffness. | |||
###New subsection on demographic impacts, particularly focusing on youth and pregnant women. | |||
###Expanded section on respiratory health, citing a 2024 study showing a correlation between e-cigarette use and chronic bronchitis symptoms in long-term users. | |||
##These additions ensure the article remains current and addresses Misplaced Pages's equity gaps by highlighting effects on historically underrepresented populations (i.e., women and children) | |||
#Tone and Balance: | |||
##The edits maintain a neutral tone throughout, presenting information with minimal bias. | |||
##Balanced representation of different viewpoints, including perspectives from both proponents and critics of e-cigarettes. For instance, the potential benefits of e-cigarettes as smoking cessation tools are discussed alongside health risks. | |||
#Sources and References: | |||
##New content is backed by reliable, recent secondary sources from peer-reviewed journals. | |||
##Citations accurately reflect the information presented and cover a wide spectrum of available literature. | |||
##Notable new sources include a 2023 article from the Journal of the American Heart Association and a 2024 review in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine. | |||
#Organization: | |||
##The article's structure has been enhanced with clear, concise, and easy-to-read content. | |||
##New content is well-organized into logical sections such as cardiovascular effects, respiratory health, and demographic impacts. | |||
##Minor grammatical errors were corrected and sentence structure improved for clarity. | |||
#Images and Media: | |||
##While no new images were added, existing visuals are well-captioned and adhere to Misplaced Pages's copyright regulations. | |||
##Image captions were updated to be more descriptive, enhancing readers' understanding. | |||
#Overall Impressions: | |||
##The edits have significantly improved the article's comprehensiveness, balance, and readability. | |||
##The content is now more complete, with thorough sourcing and a well-structured layout. | |||
##The strengths of the added content include its relevance, neutrality, and up-to-date research findings. | |||
'''2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? ''' | |||
The text from the WLF in our article was "The ] stated that "Researchers find that many e-cigarettes contain toxins, contaminants and carcinogens that conflict with the industry’s portrayal of its products as purer, healthier alternatives. They also find considerable variations in the amount of nicotine delivered by different brands. None of this information is made available to consumers so they really don’t know what they are ingesting, or how much."; cited to released by the WLF. | |||
The group has largely achieved its overall goals for improving the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes," with several specific accomplishments aligning with their stated objectives. | |||
The text from the WMA in our article was "In October 2012, the ] stated, "Manufacturers and marketers of e-cigarettes often claim that use of their products is a safe alternative to smoking, particularly since they do not produce carcinogenic smoke. However, no studies have been conducted to determine that the vapor is not carcinogenic, and there are other potential risks associated with these devices: Appeal to children, especially when flavors like strawberry or chocolate are added to the cartridges."; cited to released by the WMA. | |||
#Introduction of Electronic Cigarettes: | |||
Should these statements be included in the article? ] (]) 20:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
##Achieved: The lead now includes a more comprehensive overview of electronic cigarettes, including sections on alternatives to smoking and their effects on increasing nicotine products and smoking cessation. These additions provide a thorough background and context for the rest of the article. | |||
#Add to Other Effects: | |||
##Partially Achieved: The group successfully added content on the impact of e-cigarettes on the gastrointestinal (GI) system, dermatological manifestations, renal, and hepatic effects. These additions enhance the "Other Effects" section by broadening the scope of health impacts covered. However, more detailed information and specific studies could further strengthen these sections. | |||
#Update Repetitive Paragraphs & Out-of-date Research: | |||
##Achieved: The group revised several sections to remove repetitive content and update out-of-date research. The "Adverse Effects" section, including battery-related malfunctions, was updated to reflect more current findings and provide clearer information. These revisions improve the clarity and accuracy of the article. | |||
#Adverse Effects and Related Sections: | |||
##Achieved: The sections on adverse effects, reported deaths, direct exposure, and respiratory effects (EVALI) have been updated. The revisions include recent research and detailed findings on these topics, providing a more comprehensive and up-to-date overview. The gallery section remains unchanged, which might be an area for future improvement. | |||
#Regulation, Toxicology, Public Perceptions: | |||
##Partially Achieved: The "Regulation" section has seen some updates, but it could benefit from more detailed information on specific regulations and their impacts across different regions. The sections on toxicology and public perceptions have been tentatively addressed but could be further expanded with more detailed and current content. | |||
#Current References and Updated Pictures: | |||
##Partially Achieved: The group has added more current references throughout the article, citing recent studies and reliable sources. This enhances the credibility and relevance of the information presented. However, there were no significant updates to pictures, which could be an area for further enhancement. | |||
The group has successfully achieved most of its goals for improving the article. Some areas, such as more detailed regulatory information and expanded sections on toxicology and public perceptions, could be further developed to fully meet all their objectives. | |||
===Positions=== | |||
* '''Include statements'''. Both statements are reliably sourced to ] compliant sourcing, specifically ]. Arguments for their removal including assertions that fly in the face of ] which explicitly allows for the use of tertiary sources including medical textbooks. While I would agree that these are not the most ideal MEDRS sources, neither of these statements appear at all controversial in content, and the sourcing is adequate for the purpose. I should also note that it has been argue above that there is a "consensus" that only review articles can be used as sources here. I will note that this declaration of a consensus appears to have been made up whole cloth out of thin air, and no evidence whatsoever of any such consensus has been produced. ] (]) 20:44, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
'''3. Does the article meet Misplaced Pages guidelines?''' | |||
* '''Use secondary review ] sources instead'''. Position statements are interesting and valuable to decipher the level of consensus or policy on a specific issue, but they are not medically relevant sources. For that there are secondary sources. Position statements are by their very nature '''tertiary''', and thus per ] (and ]) we should use the underlying secondary sources instead. And we should use the best secondary review ] compliant sources available. For position statements there is a specific article ]. --] 20:52, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::First, you have no idea whether these statements are secondary or tertiary, as you do not know what data or studies the sources base their statements on. Second, even if they were tertiary sources, however, tertiary sources are not disallowed by ], ] or any other policy or guideline on Misplaced Pages. Removing them repeatedly merely on the basis that they are tertiary sources does not comply with any Misplaced Pages guideline or policy. ] (]) 20:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::If it is not tertiary - then they are then primary... which doesn't make it better. Once more: We should <u>use the best secondary review ] compliant papers</u>. If the information in a position statement cannot be found in the secondary review literature - then there really is a problem with using position statements - because then they are purely politically based. There is a specific article for position statements. --] 21:02, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::They clearly are not primary as they are using the underlying medical literature as a source (either the primary or secondary literature), making those statements at least secondary in nature. You are trying to make up your own rules on what is allowable per MEDRS. These are position statements by medical organizations and therefore MEDRS compliant. We don't have additional rules that they have to be corroborated by a published review article, and we certainly do not have a restriction to only review articles in MEDRS. Please stop making up your own rules. ] (]) 21:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Are you truly trying to say that we cannot decipher or ''"know what data or studies the sources base their statements on"''?? And then you still want to use it? Erh? Don't you see a problem here? I would assume that they get their positions from the secondary literature, and not just make up stuff that isn't in the medical literature already. --] 21:04, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::They could also be basing it off the primary medical literature, making the statements a secondary source. ] (]) 21:07, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::Then we should be able to decipher what secondary sources they are based upon. Position statements are less reliable than secondary review articles under all circumstances. If they are purely based upon primary material, then they even less reliable than secondary review papers. So use: Secondary review material instead - just as consensus has been on electronic cigarette articles all of the time. --] 21:18, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::There is no such consensus, and repeatedly declaring such a consensus exists does not make it so. ] (]) 21:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::There most certainly has been such a consensus - no matter how much you argue against it. But consensus can of course change, but please consider the consequences. So far everything has been based upon secondary review material from highranking MedLine indexed journals - are we throwing that requirement away? --] 21:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::If such a consensus exists, that the only sources allowable for medical content is published review articles, ''please point out the talk page section or RfC which establishes it''. We use MEDRS compliant sourcing for medical content, which includes statements by medical organizations. ] (]) 21:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Use secondary review ] sources''' Formal policy statements that are review quality can also be used. Because formal scientific reports are mentioned on ] which says " formal scientific reports, which can be the equal of the best reviews published in medical journals". The ] souse that is cited as an example is a <b>(clearly marked as one in the yellow bar at the top as a Press Release)</b> and not a source that should be relied on for medical claims.] 21:08, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::] does not have a restriction to only using published journal article reviews. ] (]) 21:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::<b>Press releases</b> are not appropriate for medical claims. ] 21:11, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Where you see a press release, I see a position statement adopted by the general assembly of the organization. ] (]) 21:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::This is a press-release. And it is one of the sources that you argue for in the above. --] 21:22, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::There is also no language in that press release saying this was "adopted by the general assembly of the organization". ] 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
* '''These are eligible sources here''' (add: '''so include them''') per ] and our general policy on reliability and weight. ] <sup>]|]|]</sup> 21:09, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Eligible certainly. But less useful, and carrying significantly less ] than secondary review literature, which has so far been the consensus position as the threshold for material on electronic cigarette articles. --] 21:20, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::You keep saying there is a "consensus" that only review articles are allowed to be used as medical sources. Please point me to the thread or RfC which established such a consensus. Absent this, please stop making up your own "consensus". Thanks. ] (]) 21:24, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Sigh! Reliable secondary review ] compliant papers, in high quality MedLine indexed journals has so far been the consensus. Can you tell me what is wrong about that previous consensus? Don't you think that we should use the very best material available per ]? --] 21:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::{{replyto|KimDabelsteinPetersen}} Actually no, there are many circumstances in which the position statements of major bodies (NHS, NICE, ACS, WHO) offer the strongest source - or at the very least one which should not be omitted. ] <sup>]|]|]</sup> 21:25, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::That is why we have a whole article ] based upon these sources, and summarize them at ]. Can you tell me why reliable secondary review material isn't enough here? --] 21:31, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::Where is the talk page section or RfC which establishes that only published review articles can be used? ] (]) 21:32, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
''A. Does the draft submission reflect a neutral point of view? '' | |||
The question of whether there is a local "consensus" to eliminate position papers as sources for this article is irrelevant, because there is a broader consensus across all of Misplaced Pages that these are ideal sources for this type of content. Have you taken a look at ] recently? It states unambiguously that | |||
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The draft submission of the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes" largely reflects a neutral point of view, aligning well with Misplaced Pages's standards for neutrality. The revisions include balanced coverage of both the potential benefits and risks associated with e-cigarettes. For instance, the article presents data on the effectiveness of e-cigarettes as smoking cessation tools alongside evidence of their adverse health effects, such as cardiovascular and respiratory issues. This balanced approach ensures that the article does not disproportionately favor one perspective over another. | |||
|quote = Ideal sources for biomedical assertions include general or systematic reviews in reliable, third-party, published sources, such as reputable medical journals, widely recognised standard textbooks written by experts in a field, or medical guidelines '''and position statements from nationally or internationally reputable expert bodies'''. | |||
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The new content is supported by a range of reliable sources, including recent peer-reviewed studies and authoritative reviews, which helps to maintain neutrality by representing a broad spectrum of expert opinions. Additionally, the article avoids sensational language and unsubstantiated claims, focusing instead on well-supported scientific findings and documented evidence. The sections on regulatory aspects and public perceptions provide a diverse range of viewpoints, reflecting the complexity of the topic without promoting any particular agenda. ] (]) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
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::The statement is repeated in ] | |||
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|quote = Ideal sources for such content includes literature reviews or systematic reviews published in reputable medical journals, academic and professional books written by experts in the relevant field and from a respected publisher, '''and medical guidelines or position statements from nationally or internationally recognised expert bodies'''. | |||
'''1.''' Yes, the group’s edits substantially improve the article. The introductory paragraph summarizes the topics in the article and gives a brief description of what electronic cigarettes are. The content added are up-to-date and written from a neutral standpoint. It explores both the advantages and disadvantages of electronic cigarettes throughout the years. Overall, the article provides valuable information and covers multiple perspectives. | |||
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'''2.''' The group achieved its overall goals for improvement. I also enjoyed the addition of images and charts throughout the article. The title is short and simple, and the introductory lead is direct and easy to read. The quotations are cited to their original source, and there are links to other Misplaced Pages articles for definitions, making the content more accessible to a wider audience. | |||
These guidelines reflect broad consensus from editors across all of Misplaced Pages. You cannot create a local exception just because you don't like what "ideal sources" stay about these devices. If you want to change this, you have to get consensus to change both ] and ]. I doubt very much you will be successful. ] (]) 21:33, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Cherry picking from ] and ] now? Are you truly saying that WP policy is that we should prefer tertiary sources over secondary, or that position statements are the equivalent of reviews? Have you btw. read ], ] or ] recently? --] 21:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
'''3b.''' The claims in the article are verifiable with cited sources freely available, such as information from the CDC, World Health Organization, and articles from PubMed. | |||
:::I have no idea what you are referring to by "cherrypicking". The term is usually used to refer to picking out a single article that favors a certain POV out of a set of many that express a different opinion. There is only one ] and only one ] and both clearly and unambiguously prohibit this sort of exclusion of ideal sources. I'm sorry you don't like what these sources say. I suggest you find a different strategy for trying to exclude them, as this one will not survive review even if successful locally. ] (]) 01:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
] (]) 22:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Im surprised you want to included press releases. ] 01:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::To clarify, that press release links to saying almost the same thing! essentially intended to promote awareness of a paper published the same day, 20 Aug 2014: "Intentions to Smoke Cigarettes Among Never-Smoking US Middle and High School Electronic Cigarette Users: National Youth Tobacco Survey, 2011-2013" PMID 25143298. That (large primary) paper compares to "E-cigarette prevalence and correlates of use among adolescents versus adults: a review and comparison", PMID 24680203. That too indicates that youth using e-cigarettes (compared to never-using them) are more likely to later try conventional cigarettes, though the precise details and wording vary.] <small>]</small> 03:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
· Jaryn copies and answers Question 1, Question 2, and Question 3c ] (]) 06:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) --] (]) 18:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::::So we have press releases to promote primary sources? By the way the Chapman review is already in the main e-cig article. ] 04:30, 23 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Just abit about tertiary sources: | |||
1. Do the group’s edits substantially improve the article as described in the Misplaced Pages peer review “Guiding framework”? | |||
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The information added and the edits submitted do substantially improve the article as the background information is built upon, and the topic at hand is thoroughly addressed. However, while the information added does add value to their page overall, I will say that because the page title is specifically "HEALTH EFFECTS of electronic cigarettes", I would expect to see more dense emphasis on the health effects rather than the debate of what they are used for/smoking cessation/regulations/their malfunctions. I would have expected to see specific headings for the different health effects (instead of just an "other" section), than informational paragraphs describing the pathophysiology behind those health effects/treatment/rates/etc. The information is great, just maybe the organization is off and should have the health effects as the main headings or headings at least. Throughout, a non-bias standpoint was kept! | |||
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2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? | |||
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The introduction gives a thorough yet concise overview on both the pros and cons of e-cigarettes. The introduction first provides background information on what e-cigarettes are as well as the debates behind them, then later moves into the varying health effects along with their own descriptions. Overall, the introduction gives a great description of what's to be expanded on in the later parts of the wikipedia page. | |||
:] might also give a hint here. ] compliant secondary review papers are the best sources we can use. So why would we choose lesser sources? --] 21:40, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
The "other effects" section I think should be expanded upon (I believe it is not yet complete?) to better reflect the other organs/body systems effected, especially since the article is titled with "health effects". I believe the users are still working on adding more information for the hepatic, renal, and nervous systems. | |||
:Seems to me that for some editors it is not enough with the material that they can find in the <u>best available sources per ]</u> and thus want to ] material that belongs in ] into this article. Tertiary sources, position statements, policy statements etc. are lesser sources than review material! --] 21:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC)\ | |||
Signs of repetition or outdated information has been eliminated. | |||
::You can also look at on the ] wich directly addresses press releases. ] 03:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
The public perceptions, regulations, and toxicology subjects are definitely touched upon in depth! This information provides great background detail. | |||
:::Kim and Albino, what part of "Ideal sources for such content includes... medical guidelines or position statements from nationally or internationally recognised expert bodies", repeated in both ] and ] is hard to understand? ] (]) 15:17, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Overall, goals were achieved, or seem to be in the process of being achieved! | |||
::::Whats hard to understand is why you want to include press releases. You also seem to be ignoring on the ] and completly ignoring "The reliability of these sources range from formal scientific reports, which can be the equal of the best reviews published in medical journals, through public guides and service announcements, which have the advantage of being freely readable, but are generally less authoritative than the underlying medical literature." ]. Press releases are not even spoken of, and in no way are these formal policy statements. This is that was published in a peer reviewed journal, its in the article as we discuss this. What is trying to be included is lower quality material, fine for the Position page, so it is included, but not to make medical claims on this page. ] 16:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::You are against including formal policy statements too. You tried to delete it. See https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes&diff=642107506&oldid=642095256 If it is fine for the Position page then it should be fine for this page too because the Position page also includes medical claims. Even a service announcement may be used. Where does MEDRS say press releases from reputable organisations are unreliable? It appears you are making up your own rules for this e-cig page to exclude any source that is not a review. ] (]) 17:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
3c. Does the article meet Misplaced Pages guidelines? Are the edits formatted consistent with Misplaced Pages’s manual of style? | |||
::::::You are making another misstatement that has been clairified before, yet you continue in the faulty premise. The source has COI, addressed in the source. Not only did some of the authors recieve funding from the pharmicutuical industry, they sit on the boards of dirctors for pharmicutical companies. It wasnt removed because its a formal policy statement as the next edits prove . I recommend you stop characterising peoples edits falsely as its a clear violation of AGF and may be, and is by me, considered a personal attack. ] 18:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Yes, the edits are consistent with Misplaced Pages's manual of style. Headings are clear, and information is well-organized throughout. Only critique would be possibly having more clear headings for the different health effects. For example, they touch on dermatological effects, but it did not have its own section/subheading to click through on the left, so it was a bit easy to miss if one were trying to skim through for information on a specific health effect. The "other effects" section I felt could also have their own "clickable" sections on the left and be more of a highlight of the article. ] (]) 06:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) --] (]) 18:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::You wrote above "This is that was published in a peer reviewed journal, its in the article as we discuss this." | |||
:::::::Yet you deleted this source. https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Safety_of_electronic_cigarettes&diff=642107506&oldid=642095256 | |||
· Sebastian copies and answers Question 1, Question 2, and Question 3d. --] (]) 06:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::::::{{cite journal|last1=Brandon|first1=T. H.|last2=Goniewicz|first2=M. L.|last3=Hanna|first3=N. H.|last4=Hatsukami|first4=D. K.|last5=Herbst|first5=R. S.|last6=Hobin|first6=J. A.|last7=Ostroff|first7=J. S.|last8=Shields|first8=P. G.|last9=Toll|first9=B. A.|last10=Tyne|first10=C. A.|last11=Viswanath|first11=K.|last12=Warren|first12=G. W.|title=Electronic Nicotine Delivery Systems: A Policy Statement from the American Association for Cancer Research and the American Society of Clinical Oncology|journal=Clinical Cancer Research|url=http://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/early/2015/01/08/1078-0432.CCR-14-2544.full.pdf+html|year=2015|issn=1078-0432|doi=10.1158/1078-0432.CCR-14-2544}} | |||
:::::::The next edits shows there is a problem the with . For example, "I don't think it's original research, but it sure seems over-the-top. Perhaps a better description than WP:OR would be WP:UNDUE, or WP:FRINGE (in emphasis), perhaps WP:POINTy, WP:EDITORIALIZING, WP:ALLEGED, or trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, using a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE to sneak in an editor's POV rather than simply reporting what well-accepted reliable sources say." according to BarrelProof. See ]. So why do you want to ignore MEDRS and use only secondary reviews when MEDRS allows reviews, statements from respected organisations, and medical textbooks? Claiming that '''only''' reviews are allowed ''is'' disruptive. ] (]) 19:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Sebastian Lowe's Peer Review Questions: 1, 2, and 3D 7/29/2024 | |||
::::::::Your rehashing of the same edit will receive the same response. I really dont care if BarrelProof, like you have applied the wrong reasons for the edit. They are clearly shown in further edits, but you dont look at them, because it doesnt fit with your preconceived rationalizations. The source had, and still has has COI issues including the authors sitting on the board of directors of pharmaceutical companies. BarrelProof questioned if the COI was OR, but it isnt because the COI is clearly laid out in the source itself. Your question is misleading and a lie, I have never said <b>formal</b> policy statements by the groups listed in ] cant be used. You want to include <b>press releases</b> which are not even mentioned in the section you keep referring to.] 22:30, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::You are clearly against including any statement that is not a formal policy statement from an organisation against MEDRS. You are also against including and you deleted. So why should there be different rules for this e-cig page? ] (]) 23:04, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::You are clearly trying to use press releases against ].So why should there be different rules for this e-cig page? ] 23:28, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::The statement from the World Lung Foundation organization is reliable. The World Lung Foundation stated "A recent study indicated that e-cigarette vapor causes changes at the cellular level in a similar way as traditional cigarettes. As the WHO points out, e-cigarette vapour is not just water vapour as the e-cigarette industry likes to claim..." That indicates the statement by World Lung Foundation is also a secondary source because it reviewed the evidence. I previously explained you deleted other sources that are also reliable. This includes and among others. So why did you delete a number of sources including reviews against MEDRS? ] (]) 23:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::Reliability does not guarantee inclusion. ] 04:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::So the sources are all reliable and you have not given a specific reason to exclude them. ] (]) 04:04, 27 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::I am not going to go into specifics of edits with you in this RFC, because it does no good, its round in circles and right back to "they are reliable" when reasons are given. ] 04:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::You confirmed the sources are reliable yet you refuse to explain what is wrong with including relevant information about safety. You are not collaborating. ] (]) 04:15, 27 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Use high quality reviews, positions statements from respected organizations, and major medical textbooks''' This is what ] says. All three have their place and attempts to exclude any of them are not appropriate. ] (] · ] · ]) 21:43, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::No one is talking about excluding. The article ] is for this kind of material, and this article is medical information from high quality reviews and major medical textbooks. All of which gets ] in ], of which both articles are subarticles. All of it has its place, and this is not the place for policy or position statements, this is about the underlying secondary review class material. --] 21:47, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
* '''Use ]s and meta-analyses''': While there is a case for the inclusion of statements by medical organizations, these should only be sourced to authoritative institutions that issue health guidelines regularly, such as the U.S. ], the U.K. ], or the ]. I don't think the statements of the World Lung Foundation or the World Medical Association are considered to be authoritative, and, as far as I know, none of them issue medical guidelines on a regular basis. The ], in particular, appears to be a relatively new society founded in 2004 and may be of questionable notability (and reliability). Anyone can issues health statements, but not all are widely recognized and even fewer are considered to be authoritative. -] 21:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Reliable per ].''' I'm not going to wade into this further for now due to lack of time aside from saying that press releases are plenty fine for policy statements by organizations like this. That's often how reputable medical organizations make their positions known. Press releases are not ok though for trying to assert scientific fact, and that's where you bring in review articles instead. That's a relatively clear distinction that seems like it's being missed here. Whether the source is secondary, tertiary, etc. is irrelevant in this conversation, partly seen in our article that describes when there can be ambiguity between the two as well. Instead, we look for reviews and statements from reputable medical organizations regardless of what degree of source we call them. Above, A1candidate may have a case from a ] perspective on how noteworthy the organization actually is, but at my first glance it seems adequate. ] (]) 22:28, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::Thats why we have the page. For those types of statements. This page is a medical page for medical facts. The sources are on the Positions page, but they want to bring them here for medical claims. ] 22:34, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::Looks like a problem with a ] in having that article. The two really should be the same. However, this RfC is about whether the source in question is reliable in ''this'' article on the safety of e-cigs. It seems to have a decent fit here regardless of what's going on at other articles. If an article is going to be titled safety of e-cigs, then you're going to need to discuss relevant medical organizations perspectives in that article. This article doesn't even have a section summarizing the organization statement page (which is the norm with daughter articles), so it's looking like there is some undue weight in the omission of summarizing the medical organizations. That's mainly why I'm not seeing a legitimate reason not to include it. ] (]) 22:56, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::The two pages were originally under the Health effects section, It was not my choice to split them off instead of the section itself. It was Doc James who split them like this, at the same time. ] 23:01, 19 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''COMMENT''' Claims that "position statements from nationally or internationally reputable expert bodies" are not "secondary sources" per ] '''are completely and <u>literally</u> incorrect''' per ] which has already been quoted above. Importantly '''Policies and guidelines <u>cannot</u> be changed locally.''' What is a MEDRS-acceptable secondary source, is one, be it here or there. Now, someone ~could~ argue that one or both of ] or the ] are not "nationally or internationally reputable expert bodies". That would be a reasonable argument under WP's policies and guidelines. I have never heard of the ] and based on a quick look wouldn't object to a decision that they are not major. I had never heard of ] but once I looked into it, it is clear that this is the UN of national medical associations (AMA is a member). This is definitely authoritative. ] (]) 00:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::The WMA might be fairly well-known, but says that they're mainly involved in the following non-clinical stuff: | |||
:::*Ethics | |||
:::*Human Rights | |||
:::*Public Health | |||
:::*Health Systems | |||
:::*Advocacy | |||
:::*Campaigns | |||
::In fact, I can't find anything on their website that suggests they issue regular ]s, and I doubt this is the case since the WHO has always been the one doing most of it. In any case, the WMA's list of includes "Tobacco control" as one of their goals. Are their statements regarding E-cigarettes scientifically neutral? Probably not. -] 01:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Sources are not required to be "neutral", we as Misplaced Pages editors are. Also, if the only reliable medical sources are those who take no position about the obvious detrimental health effects of tobacco smoking, I suspect we will find it very hard to find any sources to use at all. ] (]) 03:10, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::If there are detrimental health effects of e-cigarettes, they would be mentioned in ]s. Otherwise, there are none. -] 03:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::I think we're cross talking. You mentioned "tobacco control" advocacy as a sign that a source is not "neutral"; my comment is that almost any relevant medical source recognizes that tobacco is detrimental to the health of individuals and would advocate for cessation of tobacco use. To find a source that says tobacco is good for you or not harmful would be a sign of an unreliable medical source. ] (]) 04:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Prevention of patient's tobacco consumption is what most medical organizations aim for. ''Advocacy'' for tabacco control is what the WMA does. -] 04:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::Controlling tobacco use is what every responsible medical organization does. I'm afraid we'll have to agree to disagree that advocating people stop smoking is somehow a disqualifying feature of a medical source. ] (]) 04:19, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::That's only because you fail to understand two types of advocacy - ''Political advocacy'', which is what the WMA does, and making clinical recommendations, which is what most medical organizations do. -] 04:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::Oh yes, . Cough. ] (]) 04:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Include, in segregated section''' There should be a section with a summary of significant statements, but kept apart from the purely medical sections. We all know research is scrambling to catch up with the growth of e-cigs, and is as yet unable to say anything about the long-term effects, so such statements are more significant here than for many long-established issues (like tobacco use for example). ] (]) 16:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Q1: The group’s edits did in fact substantially improve the article. Prior to the edits, a lot of the information was either left as unclear or not well referenced. The group had a clear framework and idea for where and how they wanted to improve the article, and they found reliable sources to do so. Furthermore, using their background knowledge and thinking more like medical professionals, they provided lots of information that read similar to that of a drug. Some examples include pregnancy/lactation impact, adverse events/reactions, toxicology, regulation, and more. Overall, I feel like the content they added did apply to the topic, and it improved the article overall. | |||
*The sources are '''reliable''' and no evidence to the contrary has been provided. The argument for excluding them are we must use reviews for e-cig articles. On the contrary, positions of organizations are also reliable. ] (]) 23:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Q2: I believe that the group has achieved its overall goals for improvement. They set out to discuss and provide more information on e-cigarettes from a medical standpoint. Using their experiences and knowledge as a pharmacist, they delved deeper into topics such as adverse reactions or events, they discussed how it impacts multiple organ systems, and they mentioned why individuals would even consider e-cigarettes as a smoking cessation option along with the benefits they pose. | |||
* '''Include statements''' Agree with Doc James. ] (]) 23:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Q3D: The edits do reflect language that supports diversity, equity, and inclusion as they not only discuss the effects of e-cigarettes on multiple ethnic groups using data from several reliable articles, but also how they impact other special populations such as those who are pregnant or lactating. They also discuss how the general public views e-cigarettes and the core issue which is the lack of awareness of the harm that these devices pose on the masses. What I really liked was how they also briefly discussed ways to tackle this issue such as advertisements to make the harm of e-cigarettes more known to the general public. | |||
* '''Include statements''' Per Doc James. The statements are pertinent to the section. ] (]) 23:57, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
*'''Comment''': Please await the results of the RfC before starting to use this material, otherwise we are not respecting the processes of wikipedia. Status Quo before the RfC was that the material was not included, and to base even more material on this, is premature. --] 10:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
Overall: Going through the peer review checklist, there is a lot of content in the article and for good reason considering the topic, but I really appreciated how all of you organized the content so nicely, and it all was relevant to the article topic. In terms of bias, this topic is a really hard situation to remain neutral about, but I think you all did a good job weighing out the pros and cons such as in your smoking cessation section of your article. I loved the articles and images you all provided and the references used to support the information that you added to this topic. The articles and citations provided were up to date, they worked, and the sources did support the claims in the article. If there was one thing I might consider adding to the article, it would be a bit more information on what is an e-cigarette, what sort of variations it has out on the market, and its mechanism on how it works and what makes it harmful to carry or breathe in. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
* '''Include statements''' per Doc James ] (]) 15:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
== Proposed Editing Plan == | |||
* '''Use secondary reviews''' If this viewpoint is significant enough then we should have no problems backing it up with secondary reviews that actually systematically analyse the studies that the quotes refer to.] (]) 14:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
'''Proposed Editing Plan''' - Add Introduction of Electronic Cigarettes: History, Composition - Add to Other Effects: Impact on GI, dermatological manifestations (integumentary system), renal, hepatic - Cut out repetitive paragraphs (revise Battery Adverse Effects, delete Suction, delete Adolescents, delete Methodological issue) - Add more current references - Change pictures - Update current guidelines/sources (Regulations, EVALI) ] (]) 19:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
==Mammoth edit adding position statements== | |||
Quack added a ton, all without discussing any of it. He added position statements, which are still being discussed as additions in the above RFC. ] 23:05, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::After I removed it, quack reverted it. There is no discussion of such a mammoth change to the article. ] 23:09, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::There is a discussion for the positions. See ]. The consensus so far is to include them. ] (]) 23:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Since the RFC is only days old, it is way to soon to draw conclusions. Large changes should be discussed before making the edits. Not just that some sources but specifically whats to be added. 17,450 characters isnt just large, its huge. Making it all at one time is another problem, discuss changes first and in manageable pieces. ] 13:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::Clearly the whole point in having an RFC is to determine consensus. But what QG is saying is that even though the RFC is nowhere near finished they can determine the consensus themselves. Therefore there's no need for an uninvolved editor to come in, close the RFC and determine consensus because QG can just do it themselves. Not only that they can perform yet another massive edit on that basis. Rigghttt.... ] (]) 14:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::This is a tempest in a teapot. You guys are getting buried in your attempt to override major Misplaced Pages sourcing guidelines via a local RFc, and even if you had succeeded you'd have been reversed in administrative review. Maybe best to save your ammo for a fight in which you have a defensible position and are not massively outnumbered. ] (]) 15:31, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
::::::Of course. The RFC has its uses but overriding major Misplaced Pages sourcing guidelines is not one of them. It would nice to move forward here. ] (]) 19:47, 25 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
:::::::Actually I haven't even really looked at the RFC in detail. All I have noticed is that a particular editor, not for the first time, comes along and makes a massive edit and then gives the reason above to justify it which is not a valid one. The edit as usual contains highly contentious, vague, partisan statements. Sourcing guidelines are not the be-all-and-end-all of Misplaced Pages and even the sourcing guidelines themselves state that compliance does not guarantee inclusion. Regardless of sourcing, neutrality has to respected and consensus has to be sought. You can't trump those things either. So no actually, I don't think its justified to ignore an ongoing RFC merely because something complies with one particular guideline.] (]) 23:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC) |
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Wiki Education assignment: Foundations II
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 1 June 2024 and 17 August 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rrmisra, JMonka, Dmirandajuarez, LNariyoshi (article contribs). Peer reviewers: FionaMai, Selowe, A.MahmoudiWIKI, Jarynmiguel.
— Assignment last updated by Health Economics and Policy (talk) 19:38, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
Peer reviews from Group Heat Exhaustion
· A.MahmoudiWIKI (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
1. Do the group's edits substantially improve the article as described in the Misplaced Pages peer review "Guiding framework"?
Per the Misplaced Pages peer review guiding framework, the group's edits substantially improve the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes". The following changes have been noted:
- Lead Section:
- The previous lead was brief and lacked detail about the major sections of the article.
- The revised lead has been significantly expanded, providing a more comprehensive overview of the article's contents.
- Content:
- New, relevant, and up-to-date information has been added, addressing recent studies and findings.
- Some specific additions include:
- Expanded section on cardiovascular effects, citing a 2023 study linking e-cigarette use to increased blood pressure and arterial stiffness.
- New subsection on demographic impacts, particularly focusing on youth and pregnant women.
- Expanded section on respiratory health, citing a 2024 study showing a correlation between e-cigarette use and chronic bronchitis symptoms in long-term users.
- These additions ensure the article remains current and addresses Misplaced Pages's equity gaps by highlighting effects on historically underrepresented populations (i.e., women and children)
- Tone and Balance:
- The edits maintain a neutral tone throughout, presenting information with minimal bias.
- Balanced representation of different viewpoints, including perspectives from both proponents and critics of e-cigarettes. For instance, the potential benefits of e-cigarettes as smoking cessation tools are discussed alongside health risks.
- Sources and References:
- New content is backed by reliable, recent secondary sources from peer-reviewed journals.
- Citations accurately reflect the information presented and cover a wide spectrum of available literature.
- Notable new sources include a 2023 article from the Journal of the American Heart Association and a 2024 review in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine.
- Organization:
- The article's structure has been enhanced with clear, concise, and easy-to-read content.
- New content is well-organized into logical sections such as cardiovascular effects, respiratory health, and demographic impacts.
- Minor grammatical errors were corrected and sentence structure improved for clarity.
- Images and Media:
- While no new images were added, existing visuals are well-captioned and adhere to Misplaced Pages's copyright regulations.
- Image captions were updated to be more descriptive, enhancing readers' understanding.
- Overall Impressions:
- The edits have significantly improved the article's comprehensiveness, balance, and readability.
- The content is now more complete, with thorough sourcing and a well-structured layout.
- The strengths of the added content include its relevance, neutrality, and up-to-date research findings.
2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement?
The group has largely achieved its overall goals for improving the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes," with several specific accomplishments aligning with their stated objectives.
- Introduction of Electronic Cigarettes:
- Achieved: The lead now includes a more comprehensive overview of electronic cigarettes, including sections on alternatives to smoking and their effects on increasing nicotine products and smoking cessation. These additions provide a thorough background and context for the rest of the article.
- Add to Other Effects:
- Partially Achieved: The group successfully added content on the impact of e-cigarettes on the gastrointestinal (GI) system, dermatological manifestations, renal, and hepatic effects. These additions enhance the "Other Effects" section by broadening the scope of health impacts covered. However, more detailed information and specific studies could further strengthen these sections.
- Update Repetitive Paragraphs & Out-of-date Research:
- Achieved: The group revised several sections to remove repetitive content and update out-of-date research. The "Adverse Effects" section, including battery-related malfunctions, was updated to reflect more current findings and provide clearer information. These revisions improve the clarity and accuracy of the article.
- Adverse Effects and Related Sections:
- Achieved: The sections on adverse effects, reported deaths, direct exposure, and respiratory effects (EVALI) have been updated. The revisions include recent research and detailed findings on these topics, providing a more comprehensive and up-to-date overview. The gallery section remains unchanged, which might be an area for future improvement.
- Regulation, Toxicology, Public Perceptions:
- Partially Achieved: The "Regulation" section has seen some updates, but it could benefit from more detailed information on specific regulations and their impacts across different regions. The sections on toxicology and public perceptions have been tentatively addressed but could be further expanded with more detailed and current content.
- Current References and Updated Pictures:
- Partially Achieved: The group has added more current references throughout the article, citing recent studies and reliable sources. This enhances the credibility and relevance of the information presented. However, there were no significant updates to pictures, which could be an area for further enhancement.
The group has successfully achieved most of its goals for improving the article. Some areas, such as more detailed regulatory information and expanded sections on toxicology and public perceptions, could be further developed to fully meet all their objectives.
3. Does the article meet Misplaced Pages guidelines?
A. Does the draft submission reflect a neutral point of view?
The draft submission of the Misplaced Pages article "Health effects of electronic cigarettes" largely reflects a neutral point of view, aligning well with Misplaced Pages's standards for neutrality. The revisions include balanced coverage of both the potential benefits and risks associated with e-cigarettes. For instance, the article presents data on the effectiveness of e-cigarettes as smoking cessation tools alongside evidence of their adverse health effects, such as cardiovascular and respiratory issues. This balanced approach ensures that the article does not disproportionately favor one perspective over another.
The new content is supported by a range of reliable sources, including recent peer-reviewed studies and authoritative reviews, which helps to maintain neutrality by representing a broad spectrum of expert opinions. Additionally, the article avoids sensational language and unsubstantiated claims, focusing instead on well-supported scientific findings and documented evidence. The sections on regulatory aspects and public perceptions provide a diverse range of viewpoints, reflecting the complexity of the topic without promoting any particular agenda. A.MahmoudiWIKI (talk) 21:55, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
· FionaMai (talk) 22:21, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
1. Yes, the group’s edits substantially improve the article. The introductory paragraph summarizes the topics in the article and gives a brief description of what electronic cigarettes are. The content added are up-to-date and written from a neutral standpoint. It explores both the advantages and disadvantages of electronic cigarettes throughout the years. Overall, the article provides valuable information and covers multiple perspectives.
2. The group achieved its overall goals for improvement. I also enjoyed the addition of images and charts throughout the article. The title is short and simple, and the introductory lead is direct and easy to read. The quotations are cited to their original source, and there are links to other Misplaced Pages articles for definitions, making the content more accessible to a wider audience.
3b. The claims in the article are verifiable with cited sources freely available, such as information from the CDC, World Health Organization, and articles from PubMed. FionaMai (talk) 22:27, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
· Jaryn copies and answers Question 1, Question 2, and Question 3c Jarynmiguel (talk) 06:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) --Jarynmiguel (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
1. Do the group’s edits substantially improve the article as described in the Misplaced Pages peer review “Guiding framework”? The information added and the edits submitted do substantially improve the article as the background information is built upon, and the topic at hand is thoroughly addressed. However, while the information added does add value to their page overall, I will say that because the page title is specifically "HEALTH EFFECTS of electronic cigarettes", I would expect to see more dense emphasis on the health effects rather than the debate of what they are used for/smoking cessation/regulations/their malfunctions. I would have expected to see specific headings for the different health effects (instead of just an "other" section), than informational paragraphs describing the pathophysiology behind those health effects/treatment/rates/etc. The information is great, just maybe the organization is off and should have the health effects as the main headings or headings at least. Throughout, a non-bias standpoint was kept!
2. Has the group achieved its overall goals for improvement? The introduction gives a thorough yet concise overview on both the pros and cons of e-cigarettes. The introduction first provides background information on what e-cigarettes are as well as the debates behind them, then later moves into the varying health effects along with their own descriptions. Overall, the introduction gives a great description of what's to be expanded on in the later parts of the wikipedia page. The "other effects" section I think should be expanded upon (I believe it is not yet complete?) to better reflect the other organs/body systems effected, especially since the article is titled with "health effects". I believe the users are still working on adding more information for the hepatic, renal, and nervous systems. Signs of repetition or outdated information has been eliminated. The public perceptions, regulations, and toxicology subjects are definitely touched upon in depth! This information provides great background detail. Overall, goals were achieved, or seem to be in the process of being achieved!
3c. Does the article meet Misplaced Pages guidelines? Are the edits formatted consistent with Misplaced Pages’s manual of style? Yes, the edits are consistent with Misplaced Pages's manual of style. Headings are clear, and information is well-organized throughout. Only critique would be possibly having more clear headings for the different health effects. For example, they touch on dermatological effects, but it did not have its own section/subheading to click through on the left, so it was a bit easy to miss if one were trying to skim through for information on a specific health effect. The "other effects" section I felt could also have their own "clickable" sections on the left and be more of a highlight of the article. Jarynmiguel (talk) 06:37, 30 July 2024 (UTC) --Jarynmiguel (talk) 18:12, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
· Sebastian copies and answers Question 1, Question 2, and Question 3d. --Selowe (talk) 06:40, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Sebastian Lowe's Peer Review Questions: 1, 2, and 3D 7/29/2024
Q1: The group’s edits did in fact substantially improve the article. Prior to the edits, a lot of the information was either left as unclear or not well referenced. The group had a clear framework and idea for where and how they wanted to improve the article, and they found reliable sources to do so. Furthermore, using their background knowledge and thinking more like medical professionals, they provided lots of information that read similar to that of a drug. Some examples include pregnancy/lactation impact, adverse events/reactions, toxicology, regulation, and more. Overall, I feel like the content they added did apply to the topic, and it improved the article overall.
Q2: I believe that the group has achieved its overall goals for improvement. They set out to discuss and provide more information on e-cigarettes from a medical standpoint. Using their experiences and knowledge as a pharmacist, they delved deeper into topics such as adverse reactions or events, they discussed how it impacts multiple organ systems, and they mentioned why individuals would even consider e-cigarettes as a smoking cessation option along with the benefits they pose.
Q3D: The edits do reflect language that supports diversity, equity, and inclusion as they not only discuss the effects of e-cigarettes on multiple ethnic groups using data from several reliable articles, but also how they impact other special populations such as those who are pregnant or lactating. They also discuss how the general public views e-cigarettes and the core issue which is the lack of awareness of the harm that these devices pose on the masses. What I really liked was how they also briefly discussed ways to tackle this issue such as advertisements to make the harm of e-cigarettes more known to the general public.
Overall: Going through the peer review checklist, there is a lot of content in the article and for good reason considering the topic, but I really appreciated how all of you organized the content so nicely, and it all was relevant to the article topic. In terms of bias, this topic is a really hard situation to remain neutral about, but I think you all did a good job weighing out the pros and cons such as in your smoking cessation section of your article. I loved the articles and images you all provided and the references used to support the information that you added to this topic. The articles and citations provided were up to date, they worked, and the sources did support the claims in the article. If there was one thing I might consider adding to the article, it would be a bit more information on what is an e-cigarette, what sort of variations it has out on the market, and its mechanism on how it works and what makes it harmful to carry or breathe in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Selowe (talk • contribs) 06:28, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
Proposed Editing Plan
Proposed Editing Plan - Add Introduction of Electronic Cigarettes: History, Composition - Add to Other Effects: Impact on GI, dermatological manifestations (integumentary system), renal, hepatic - Cut out repetitive paragraphs (revise Battery Adverse Effects, delete Suction, delete Adolescents, delete Methodological issue) - Add more current references - Change pictures - Update current guidelines/sources (Regulations, EVALI) Rrmisra (talk) 19:14, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
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