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	==Notability==
	It seems to me that an academic with published work and books is notable enough to warrant an article. His work seems to be standard in the field, e.g. --] 20:26, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

	:I have removed the notability notice, since no-one has responded to the point I've raised.--] 10:21, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

	::According to ], you need some outside independent publications about this person to justify that he is notable. I could not find any. To simply have publications is insufficient. A lot of people have a lot of professional publications. See ]. You provided a personal web page in Leeds University. It does not qualify as a reliable source.] 00:43, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


	:::It is a little awkward for me, because I don't really care for Getty or his ideas, but I do think he is notable so here it goes.
	:::He is described as a "noted historian" here:
	:::More importantly, his books are part of the curriculum of many universities, other than UCLA and UC Riverside.
	:::Here's a list of links
	http://webprod1.leeds.ac.uk/banner/dynmodules.asp?Y=200708&M=HIST-5830M

	http://www.shef.ac.uk/history/current_students/undergraduate/modules/level_3/hst3027-8.html
	http://www.shef.ac.uk/history/current_students/undergraduate/modules/hst3055.html

	http://www.uga.edu/history/syllabi_pdf/HIST_7323_robertsd_0805.pdf

	http://www.pbs.org/redfiles/kgb/deep/kgb_deep_biblio.htm
	http://www.ceu.hu/crc/Syllabi/alumni/history/bashkuev1.html

	http://fass.kingston.ac.uk/undergraduate/modules/module_full.php?code=HS3148
	http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/historyold/undergrad/modules/hi107/autumnseminars/
	http://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/undergraduate/part2/2007-2008/paper7.pdf
	http://www.american.edu/cas/hist/faculty/syllabii/lohr_345_f06.doc
	http://www.humanities.uci.edu/history/ucihp/resources/biblio10.php
	http://polisci.lsa.umich.edu/documents/syllibi/2007W/PS389.006W07Suny.pdf
	http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Political-Science/17-584Spring-2003/Readings/index.htm
	http://gozips.uakron.edu/~mcarley/Hist634.html
	http://reg.ucsc.edu/soc/aci/winter2000/poli.html
	http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/200/mourebib.htm
	:::--] 10:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

	So, your point is that
	" The person has published a significant and well-known academic work. An academic work may be significant or well known if, for example, it is the basis for a textbook or course, if it is itself the subject of multiple, independent works, if it is widely cited by other authors in the academic literature. "." Then he perhaps qualify.] 11:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

	You know what, guys.It happened in in 1950, ] , a historical figure accused soviets to manipulate the numbers of Germ,an POWs in soviet camps I got such impression that soviets themselves did not know what is going on and have no idea how many POWs they have in the camps. And that is about POWs who were kept in much more better conditions in by allies inspected camps. There was no such perfect head count they were in need for slaves, they caught slaves , put them to the camps and did not care so much what happened. So how Getty so sure that he was able to ''publish '''exact''' data on the number of Stalin's victims. (Everyone has their own dreams...) '' I can not believe it. --] (]) 23:06, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

	== Discuss Controversy Solzhenitsyn, etc. versus Getty on Vast Gulag Death Toll Differences ==

	Referenced in the A. Solzhenitsyn Misplaced Pages article is Getty's claims that the Gulag death tolls were about 1.5 million. This is a major controversy (as Solzhenitsyn, others estimate the Soviet death toll as many many millions higher). It calls into question Solzhenitsyn's Gulag and other works about the Gulag camp system.

			== Add A Fact: "J. Arch Getty's academic accolades" ==
	As Getty's works are apparently used in various university sources, (noted in references in this article) we have a major paradigm shift from the 1970's when I was in college and the Gulag books burst onto the scene and were basically accepted as true.

			I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below
	On the other hand, the Misplaced Pages GULAG article provides various sourced details about the Soviet camp (gulag) system. These references would seem to generally go along with Solzhenitsyn's larger death estimates and many descriptions of abuses and murders.
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			Getty is a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, a Research Fellow of the Russian State Humanities University (Moscow), and has been Senior Fellow of the Harriman Institute (Columbia University), and the Davis Center (Harvard University.) He was Senior Visiting Scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Visiting Scholar at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris, and Visiting Professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.
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			The fact comes from the following source:
			: https://history.ucla.edu/person/j-arch-getty/

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	Persons (like me) who are new to this controversy (Getty's LOW gulag death toll vs. Solzhenitsyn's HIGHER estimated death toll- would want to see this controversy discussed by scholars. It would be nice to see this incredible difference of mass murder numbers solved. Is Getty's very modest death number correct? Or is Solzhenitsyn's much higher numbers correct?
			<nowiki> {{Cite web \|title=J. Arch Getty \|url=https://history.ucla.edu/person/j-arch-getty/ \|website=UCLA Department of History \|date=2021-11-22 \|access-date=2024-09-28 \|language=en-US \|first= \|last=webteam \|quote=Getty is a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, a Research Fellow of the Russian State Humanities University (Moscow), and has been Senior Fellow of the Harriman Institute (Columbia University), and the Davis Center (Harvard University.) He was Senior Visiting Scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Visiting Scholar at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris, and Visiting Professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.}} </nowiki>

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	Or is the controversy still to be solved, but can neutral Misplaced Pages scholars summarize the main issues to be addressed?] (]) 16:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

			] (]) 14:20, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
	There is no "controversy" here. Solzhenitsyn based his estimates on guesses and baseless fantasies, whereas Getty uses extensive archival data and statistics. The archives released in 1991, used by Getty in his research, disprove Solzhenitsyn's absurd estimates. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Getty is a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, a Research Fellow of the Russian State Humanities University (Moscow), and has been Senior Fellow of the Harriman Institute (Columbia University), and the Davis Center (Harvard University.) He was Senior Visiting Scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Visiting Scholar at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris, and Visiting Professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.

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 {{Cite web |title=J. Arch Getty |url=https://history.ucla.edu/person/j-arch-getty/ |website=UCLA Department of History |date=2021-11-22 |access-date=2024-09-28 |language=en-US |first= |last=webteam |quote=Getty is a John Simon Guggenheim Fellow, a Research Fellow of the Russian State Humanities University (Moscow), and has been Senior Fellow of the Harriman Institute (Columbia University), and the Davis Center (Harvard University.) He was Senior Visiting Scholar at the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow, Visiting Scholar at the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales in Paris, and Visiting Professor at Utrecht University in the Netherlands.}}

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