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Hi / Sock-puppet hunt

Relocated from (talk) Wiki-psyc.
I notice you have copied elements of my user page onto your page. Anyway you seem to have hit the ground running. You are obviously a seasoned Wiki editor not a novice. Please provide full details of your previous Wikipdia accounts.--Penbat (talk) 08:56, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Please be careful about what you say to people. Some remarks, such as your addition to User:Wiki-psyc can easily be misinterpreted. Misplaced Pages is a supportive environment, where contributors should feel comfortable and safe while editing. This is the only Misplaced Pages account I have had. Admin can verify. Your comment has been removed. Thanks. Wiki-psyc (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Wiki-psyc. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Misplaced Pages. Filing a frivolous sockpuppet claim and stalking an editor is harassment. This is notice to stop.
Investigation file: Sockpuppet investigations/Wiki-psyc
Wiki-psyc (talk) 16:38, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Wiki-psyc, Penbat was acting in WP:Good faith. It's quite easy to see that you are not a WP:Newbie. Showing up editing like you've been editing Misplaced Pages for years is obviously going to result in suspicion of your account. I immediately pegged you as a WP:Sock as well. Either that, or as a user returning under a WP:Clean start rationale, whether or not that rationale is entirely in line with WP:Clean start. When I saw that you were commenting in the WP:Sockpuppet investigation that Penbat had started on you, I decided not to comment since that report was not solid. But now that I recently saw you again, this time at this article, I decided to state that acting like Penbat is wrong to be suspicious of you is incorrect. Very experienced Misplaced Pages editors usually are suspicious of new accounts that edit the way you do (meaning in a seasoned way), and with good reason; see Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive894#Spaghetti07205 as a recent example. Just know that if you are trying to help Misplaced Pages, so is Penbat.

If you reply to me about this, I would prefer that you reply here at this talk page instead of at mine, so that the discussion stays jointed instead of disjointed. Flyer22 (talk) 21:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Flyer22, does bringing a member before a tribunal after their first edit and on the grounds that it "exceeded expectations" qualify as WP:Good faith or WP:BITE? I'll respect your opinion that it is with "good reason" and that it "helps Misplaced Pages". It is, however, not something I would recommend or endorse. If I were concerned about chronic troublemakers that resurface with new identities, I'd wait rather than error. Troublemakers generally recreate their controversies, in time, and give themselves away.

With respect to Covert incest, I just documented the work. Let's talk/work there.

Wiki-psyc (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Wiki-psyc, how I handle potentially problematic returning editors is addressed on my user page; how I go about that works.

As for the Covert incest article, I'm not especially interested in it and I wasn't stating that you'd done anything wrong there. Flyer22 (talk) 01:38, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Wiki-psyc, for a relative newbie who only joined Wiki earlier this year, and has made less than 100 article edits, your ability to cite WP policies is at the advanced level. I've been on Wiki for 10 years and i'm not quite at your level. You managed to issue a Template:Uw-harass2 on my talk page (see above) after having done only four article edits. "Troublemakers generally recreate their controversies, in time, and give themselves away" - what lead you to deduce that ? --Penbat (talk) 08:31, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

You need to cease the bullying, harassment and personal attacks. I've asked you politely on a number of occasions. You have been told by the administrators on two occasions that your accusations are unfounded. Please conduct yourself professionally. I will file a harassment report next time you do this. I have asked the administrators to intervene are restore neutrality to the WP:RM
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Bullying culture

Hi there, just wanted to drop you a line about your reversion of my edit on Bullying culture. I never change quotes without checking the source, but this one was uncheckable, and I actually couldn't tell if it was supposed to be a direct quote or not. Since the quoted phrase was so brief, in the middle of a much longer sentence, I thought it might have been just a turn of phrase that the Wiki author had put in quotes for being rather colloquial. A way of saying "so to speak." For that reason, I thought it might as well be grammatically correct.

Anyway, no big deal, just wanted to let you know I hadn't changed it lightly or unthinkingly, nor was I trying to Americanize the language - I try to stay sensitive to that. Thanks! Jessicapierce (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Medworxx

Help! This page has twice been speedily deleted as being promotional. I agree it's very positive, but I haven't found any negative coverage. In fact the company's press releases are less flattering than the stuff which comes from independent sources. Can you help me - either to make it less promotional, or to defend it as it is? I can't see what else I can do to it. I've removed the material which came from the company's press releases.Rathfelder (talk) 21:18, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry cant help - rather outside my sphere of interest and knowledge.--Penbat (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Bullycide

This article was moved to a rather different title. I have just reverted the move and returned it to the original title. I wonder if you have any thoughts you would care to leave on the talk page. Fiddle Faddle 18:50, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

recent notification

What led you to jump to the conclusion that my edit was vandalism? I even thanked you for your prior edit... Void burn (talk) 23:03, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Why on earth did you undo my revert then ? --Penbat (talk) 23:07, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Templates and see alsos

I see many, many complaints about the templates. We need the same links in so many places? I doubt it. The text at WP:SIDEBAR says that the purpose of templates is to avoid long "see also" sections. Also, if a title is linked in article text then there's no need for it to be in "see also" too. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Also: WP:ALSO: "As a general rule, the "See also" section should not repeat links that appear in the article's body or its navigation boxes." Do you acknowledge that guideline? 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 11:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Repeated text, #2

Bullying culture #In the workplace

Bullying is seen to be prevalent in organisations where employees and managers feel that they have the support, or at least implicitly the blessing, of senior managers to carry on their abusive and bullying behaviour. Furthermore, new managers will quickly come to view this form of behaviour as acceptable and normal if they see others get away with it and are even rewarded for it.

When bullying happens at the highest levels, the effects may be far reaching. That people may be bullied irrespective of their organisational status or rank, including senior managers, indicates the possibility of a negative domino effect, where bullying may be cascaded downwards as the targeted supervisors might offload their own aggression on their subordinates. In such situations, a bullying scenario in the boardroom may actually threaten the productivity of the entire organisation.

Organizational culture#Bullying culture

Bullying is seen to be prevalent in organisations where employees and managers feel that they have the support, or at least implicitly the blessing, of senior managers to carry on their abusive and bullying behaviour. Furthermore, new managers will quickly come to view this form of behaviour as acceptable and normal if they see others get away with it and are even rewarded for it.

When bullying happens at the highest levels, the effects may be far reaching. That people may be bullied irrespective of their organisational status or rank, including senior managers, indicates the possibility of a negative ripple effect, where bullying may be cascaded downwards as the targeted supervisors might offload their own aggression on their subordinates. In such situations, a bullying scenario in the boardroom may actually threaten the productivity of the entire organisation.

Workplace bullying#Organizational culture

Bullying is seen to be prevalent in organisations where employees and managers feel that they have the support, or at least implicitly the blessing, of senior managers to carry on their abusive and bullying behaviour. Furthermore, new managers will quickly come to view this form of behaviour as acceptable and normal if they see others get away with it and are even rewarded for it.

When bullying happens at the highest levels, the effects may be far reaching. That people may be bullied irrespective of their organisational status or rank, including senior managers, indicates the possibility of a negative domino effect, where bullying may be cascaded downwards as the targeted supervisors might offload their own aggression on their subordinates. In such situations, a bullying scenario in the boardroom may actually threaten the productivity of the entire organisation.

References

1. ^ Salin D, Helge H “Organizational Causes of Workplace Bullying” in Bullying and Harassment in the Workplace: Developments in Theory, Research, and Practice (2010) Cite error: The named reference "Salin D 2010" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).
2. ^ Helge H, Sheehan MJ, Cooper CL, Einarsen S “Organisational Effects of Workplace Bullying” in Bullying and Harassment in the Workplace: Developments in Theory, Research, and Practice (2010) Cite error: The named reference "Organisational" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

Discussion

Also: Talk:Narcissism#Repeated text: for a similar problem.

I'm confused. If the exact same text is in three articles, then none of those are the "main article". I suggest picking one and putting it there. Duplicate text like this clogs up articles and templates. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 11:19, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

I've noticed other blocks of text that are reused across multiple articles as well. While it can make sense in some circumstances, there seems to be a pattern here. Maybe the way you're writing or compiling articles could be reviewed to reduce this rampant duplication of text. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

You may not be aware of this, but anytime text is copied from one article to another in WP, it's legally important to identify the source article in the edit summary. If you follow that rule, it'll be easier for everyone to track the flow. 2602:306:C5B4:E3D0:4060:393:581D:3D36 (talk) 12:21, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Please see the discussion to rename Bullycide

This appears on its talk page. Fiddle Faddle 12:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

I dont have strong feelings either way.--Penbat (talk) 12:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

That is perfectly fine. I know that you care about the topic whatever its title. Fiddle Faddle 12:37, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Images on Setting boundaries

Respectfully, I added back the images on Setting boundaries. The images help readers to visualize this often misunderstood concept. They comply with the Image use policy and, conversely, the manner and reasons given for their deletion do not. It might help to compare the use of images in this article to those in the Exaggeration article which we both have been actively involved. Graphics are very subjective and tastes differ so this is not as clear cut as a fact citation. I'm amenable to constructively exploring alternative options that will aid the readers either here or on the article's talk page. Wiki-psyc (talk) 12:28, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi Penbat. I'm returning my comment here (where it was originally posted). If you wish to host a discussion on the article talk page, please author one yourself. Please do not make posts on my behalf and with my signature. If you prefer to close the matter and discard my note, that's fine. Many thanks Wiki-psyc (talk) 13:46, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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madoff and Peter Foster

why on earth do you think these two do not fit the criteria for psychopathy or anti social personality ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by A Pizzon Lamb (talk • contribs) 23:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

I've protected the Peter Foster page. Looks like Pizzon Lamb started using an IP to do reverts. After some lovely name calling on my talk page and edit history, I've also blocked the IP. I've told them about WP:BLP and the need for refs, but that went over their head. Give a yell if you need any help. Bgwhite (talk) 08:25, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 06:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind acknowledgement of my Quality improvement efforts at Lie-to-children

Penbat,

Thank you for your kind acknowledgement of my Quality improvement efforts at Lie-to-children.

I very much appreciate your removal of the "{{notable}}" tag from the top of the article page.

Perhaps you could provide your comment and opinion at Talk:Lie-to-children#This_article_should_be_deleted_redirected. ?

Thanks again,

— Cirt (talk) 18:51, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done, I've commented an update in that section, you may as well if you wish, but I think at this point, hopefully, the complaints about notability are more than adequately addressed by the direct improvements to the article, itself, and therefore, resolved. — Cirt (talk) 03:08, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Now that I've successfully embarked upon a Quality improvement project for the article Lie-to-children -- do you think this would be a good time to restore those incoming links to this article that were previously recently removed ?

Thank you for your attention to this matter,

— Cirt (talk) 18:55, 28 February 2016 (UTC)

 Done, I've added back the links. Hopefully, now that the article itself is improved, the links will remain in the future. — Cirt (talk) 03:08, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Penbat, I see you've been making some improvements to the Alexander Technique article and overall I agree with your changes. I noticed your edit summary that says that you can't see how Alexander Technique relates to Rolfing and Systema. Rolfing is a form of Somatic Education (see Somatics) which relies on more hands-on contact for some of the movement education aspects but essentially they seem to be working from a similar set of ideas about how the human body functions best. Alexander Technique was a big influence on Feldenkrais, and Moshe Feldenkrais was a contemporary and friend of Ida Rolf. There's evidence that they cross-pollinated ideas quite a bit. As to Systema, I too noticed that link recently and hadn't ever heard of it so I read the article. It seems to be a martial art that is very Somatics-based. I'm actually going to point it out to the other editors on the Somatics article and see if they want to include it there - my only hesitation is whether it is notable enough to bother; the fact that I never heard of it gives me pause as I'm not unfamiliar with martial arts. Anyway, I'm going to reinstate those links for now and we can continue the conversation if you like. Cheers, --Karinpower (talk) 18:34, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

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I AM SO sorry

How did I miss your message to my talk page?! Of course I am interested in that article. There was a tag at the top about original research. That can't possibly be true, can it? There is so much out there on the abuse of power in relationships that an author of research is very unlikely to have put in material. I'll get to work right away. It will be a way to work out some of my own issues!

Best Regards, Barbara (WVS) (talk) 23:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

OK thanks - the article tries to cover power and control in all abusive contexts but at the same time draw out some common features, for example reinforcement and operant conditioning where the abuser entices the abused with gifts etc if they comply but punishes them if they rebel. Enticing the abused is a big part of "grooming". Child abuse grooming etc is entirely missing from power and control in abusive relationships. I don't think the tags are entirely justified.--Penbat (talk) 07:30, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

The have and the have nots article

Could you please fix the format of the information table from the very top of the article please. In starring the listing is out of order. Also, in the character table list, Mitch l, played by Brett davis is only listed as main in season 4, when he was recurring in season 3. I can't do it l, because I only edit with a phone and need a new computer or computer repairment. Please respond back or just do it, because others ignored my messages and never did Zhyboo (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

What order do you want it in ? --Penbat (talk) 21:11, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Just leave it like it is, but just make sure in the starring list, theyre names are listed straight and go to the "cast and character section" and add Mitch as recurring in season three on the character table Zhyboo (talk) 00:42, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

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"Treatment of sexual assault victims"

Hi, Thanks for your edits! I have a question about changing the title of the article from "Post-assault treatment of victims of sexual assault".

Actually, I don't like the old title or the new one. I agree that the old title is long. And I don't like the word "treatment" suggests "medical treatment" and not all of the other things that occur after the assault.

I want the article to provide a list of all things (positive and negative) that a victim of sexual assault would have to deal with AFTER the assault. I like having the "Post-assault' in the title as it notifies the reader that the article is exclusively focused on what occurs after the assault.

Perhaps a better title would be "Scrutiny and mistreatment of sexual assault victims" or "Post-assault mistreatment of sexual assault victims" What do you think? Any suggestions?

Any other comments are appreciated. I plan to make a few more additions to the article (including police interview).

Thanks! User:WSDavitt (talk)

I can see the ambiguity with the word "treatment". I personally dont see that "Post-assault" adds anything useful. Anyway this should be discussed on the talk page. I have reverted for now.--Penbat (talk) 08:23, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Abuse

Thanks for helping with the Sexual abuse article. Can you help with the problem noted in, Talk:Sexual abuse#Latest additions? Proxima Centauri (talk) 11:58, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, the article is a bit on the periphery of my interests.--Penbat (talk) 12:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

I am more interested in the generalities of abuse than getting bogged down in specifics.--Penbat (talk) 16:36, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

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Hey there Penbat, I went ahead and closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Isolation Techniques (Individual) just to get it over with. I may not have expressed it well in my close statement, but I think the best thing to do is exactly what you suggested in the discussion - copy and paste your work from User:Penbat/Isolation to facilitate abuse to the article, and then move it. Does that make sense? Thanks for your work on this! --Cerebellum (talk) 00:20, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks very much Cerebellum. I was almost losing the will to live.--Penbat (talk) 10:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Haha that AfD went on way too long ;) --Cerebellum (talk) 23:42, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Penbat, thanks for your New Year wishes and I hope you too are having a good one. Your message made me wonder whether there ought not be some mention of the annual firework event in the Stanpit article. Any thoughts?--Ykraps (talk) 06:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

There are reliable sources out there. ]--Ykraps (talk) 06:29, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Ykraps, I am sure a mention is justifed and that source is reliable enough. Incidentally I caught some of the reenactment of the Battle of Mudeford a few monhs ago at Mudeford Quay. It wasnt that exciting but local history guru Mike Andrews was there and interjected interesting historical facts. That might have been worth mentioning in Battle of Mudeford but I have not found any reliable source. --Penbat (talk) 09:24, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I just thought a short sentence or two, but I'm having difficulty deciding where it should go. I wonder if there's enough going on to justify a small culture section?

I didn't see the re-enactment, which is a shame as I would've been interested. Incidentally, do you think the mention of the Ship in Distress as "...actively involved in the Battle of Mudeford", is a mistake? I don't know of any involvement. The S-I-D has connections to both Ma Sillar and John Streeter but this was at a different time. At the time, Hannah Sillar was landlady of the Haven pub (not the one currently there) which was the scene of a shoot-out during the battle. So may be there is some confusion there?--Ykraps (talk) 10:08, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Presumably you've noticed that Mudeford Sea Scouts HQ is called Orestes after the naval cutter HMS Orestes (1781). Might also be worth mentioning as it's on the recreation ground.--Ykraps (talk) 10:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Looks like the Christchurch Heritage Festival is set to become an annual event.]--Ykraps (talk) 10:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Cheers Ykraps, I dont have the motivation to do more local history work on Wiki at present. I respect your judgement so do whatever you think is best. This was used as the Ship In Distress Wiki source: http://www.smuggling.co.uk/gazetteer_s_13.html --Penbat (talk) 10:44, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

That's okay, I understand perfectly; I have other interests on Misplaced Pages too. When I'm at a loose end, I'll take another look. In the meantime here are some pictures ]--Ykraps (talk) 10:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

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Seriously, man, if you're following this closely, ping me if some RS discusses it as a significant phrase, rather than as a news cycle event, or as an example of Trump's general problem with facts. I'm always open to evidence, and not averse to chaging an iVote when new sources are found. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

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There are quite a few self-help books on "no contact". "Grey rock" is such a recent concept that it gets mentioned in many websites but not many books as yet. http://www.smh.com.au/comment/how-to-deal-with-a-narcissist-like-donald-trump-20170202-gu3yzq.html mentions grey rock in some detail. Both concepts have a lot of coverage on Google and Youtube. Both concepts deserve to be on Misplaced Pages because of their notability. Anecdotally these concepts are often found to be useful by people who use them. "Disengaging from an abuser" is an important topic. It is associated with narcissistic abuse in its modern sense which is an evolving field. The fact that academic studies have not covered this area much has caused a vacuum. It would be almost impossible to do hard science in this field anyway. Popular psychology manages to plug gaps in academic research eg attention seeking, emotional baggage, emotional blackmail, guilt trip and personal boundaries.--Penbat (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

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When I say "flying monkeys" followed by "abuse by proxy" I feared vandalism. I acted in haste and I apologize; I restored the text.  — Myk Streja  21:35, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

OK cheers :-) --Penbat (talk) 21:44, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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By the way, I added a question on the talkpage.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Cheers.--Penbat (talk) 19:54, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

For sure. I was going to create Academic harassment but found this article instead, so I created a redirect!Zigzig20s (talk) 19:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

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I have found this one on Wikimedia commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:M%C4%81l%C4%81sana_yoga_pose.jpg

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Stour or Avon?

Hi Penbat and a belated Happy New Year to you. I'm glad to see you're still plugging away here. I came across this photo over at Commons, File:River Stour, Christchurch - geograph.org.uk - 1761325.jpg. It looks like the Avon to me. What do you think?--Ykraps (talk) 06:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Off hand I dont know the answer to your question. Happy New Year to you as well and good work on historic ships. Personally I have done all the "must dos" I can think of. I probably got the most satisfaction from squatting position - we all do some element of squatting every day especially just to lower the body but oddly it has generally been airbrushed out. Most people have no idea of its versatility. I am from now on keeping a relatively low profile on Misplaced Pages - just keeping an eye on things. Misplaced Pages is enjoyable but it can also have its stresses. On the local history front I have checked out some obvious historic features of Boscombe: remnants of Victoria Hospital, neighbouring water tower, old coaching inn, derelict Boscombe railway station, the Boscombe Devil. Can you think of other prominemt historical Boscombe features that can still be seen ?--Penbat (talk) 01:17, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I think the photograph was taken from Convent Walk, just downstream of the Town Bridge, where the fishing punt is, looking towards the far bank. I didn't say so initially because I wanted see if you thought so too without me leading you. I'll have a look when I'm next in town, to make sure.

There are a few interesting buildings in Boscombe. You might like the old technical college (896 Christchurch Rd, Pokesdown) and nearby, the old match factory in Hannington Place. Unfortunately, the old trolleybus depot, next to The Bell, appears to have been demolished but there is still the old tram, and later, trolleybus depot in Southcotte Road which is still used by the council today. Percy Florence Shelley's house in Shelley Park is still there.] It was at one time an art college but is now flats, I think. However, there is a pharmacy there (bizarrely) so you can have a peek inside. Not far from there, in College Road, is a school which used to be Lord somebody or other's (name escapes me for the moment) home. If you really want a challenge, you could try finding the site of Southbourne Pier and the houses that were built along the sea front, next to it.]] I think I know where it was but I'm just guessing. Incidentally, did you know there were plans to re-open Boscombe East station?]--Ykraps (talk) 14:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Help! Am I going fucking crackers? Please tell me this isn't the Avon ] and this isn't the Stour! ]--Ykraps (talk) 10:24, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

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...for that Airsoft edit, but I will have to revert you on the squatting article. There is no reason why this should be an a-typical article, full of useless pictures, trivia, and original research. (Seriously, this? And I can go on with listing unreliable sources.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I fundamentally disagree with you @Drmies:, you will have to take it to the talk page. I agree with your campaign to delete trivia from articles but you do not understand this is not one of them. In fact it is the complete opposite. Much of it covers every day actions everybody on the planet does every day, nothing like the trivia you are currently deleting. You do not understand the subject. Some of it happens to be culture specific. It is a very atypical article for which WP:IGNORE largely applies. But there are quite a few articles with more images than this. And you are missing the point singling out this which has its own article Russian squat dance and not one of mine. --Penbat (talk) 16:49, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I don't think there is much to understand about the subject. BTW, can you explain what the 2-liter coke bottle full of vodka is for? I certainly do not know that, and the source (haha, "source") doesn't make it very clear. Drmies (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea what you are on about and you obviously have no interest in understanding the subject of squatting. IMO your stance is entirely POV. I cannot think of anything more unrelated than squatting and "can you explain what the 2-liter coke bottle full of vodka is for". @Drmies:--Penbat (talk) 21:10, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

You flippantly introduced the section title "Squatting while peeing or pooping" into the article which is slang, not mentioned in the body text, and contravenes MOS:HEAD. Even worse "pooping" is US specific slang not normally used outside the US. I have corrected it. If I look hard enough I will probably find other errors. You seem to have a flippant attitude to the whole article.@Drmies:--Penbat (talk) 22:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

Your article was ridiculous. "Pooping", a fairly common word, is less out of place than your 50k of verbosity. Actually, I was kind of wondering why there was so much interest in peeing and pooping while squatting; the article seemed a bit bottom heavy, so to speak. Drmies (talk) 00:32, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Wait. YOU are asking about the 2-liter bottle of vodka? YOU introduced that with your citation from Urbandictionary: "basiclly all you need is vodka in a 2 liter bottle of coke". Granted, that doesn't mean the bottle is full of vodka. Drmies (talk) 00:35, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Oh Yeah? (album) for deletion

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VTVL (talk) 03:17, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:Academics and writers on narcissism has been nominated for renaming

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Category:Workplace bullying has been nominated for deletion

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"Legal abuse" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Legal abuses" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Sorority squat" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Monkey squat" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Abuse/doc

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