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| I think your block of ] was highly questionable. I'm not sure it was appropriate, and I'm not sure discussion couldn't have resolved the problem better. Blocks are not meant to be punitive, to my eye that looked like severe punishment for speaking out of school. Can't see any disruption to the Misplaced Pages, maybe a few egos ruffled is all. I think the refusal to grant a check user is just as disruptive. ] <small>]</small> 19:07, 23 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| My comments here will be short and to the point: I'm no longer taking part here. I have received an astounding amount of support, especially by email, but it's time to go. I tried to walk away in August, and managed to do so for quite a while, but I eventually came back, because of the many requests I received urging me to return. Many of you have written to ask me to not leave, to not give up what I have here, but I'm afraid it's time to make a clean break. | |||
| :I'm sorry you feel that way; I'll suggest to Mackensen that since we're a disruptive presence at RfCU that we should set a self-enforced ban from the page. Granted, it means there won't be anybody running requested checkusers, but that's far preferable to our disruptive behavior. If adminstrators are going to back editors who berate checkusers instead of standing up for respectful treatment of those of us who work our asses of for this site, then they shall have what they deserve. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 03:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I ask that the first steward to see this message please remove my various flags from this wiki, as well as from Meta, Commons, and Wikiquote, and remove the bot flags from my bots, which of course will no longer be running. My tools will be taken down shortly. I had planned to delete my user-space myself, but I don't want anyone to think I was going on a rampage, so instead, I ask that one or more administrators who are friends please delete the 288 pages that form my userspace (leaving only my userpage and this talk page). | |||
| ::Its as if someone from wikitruth hacked the servers and started sending out subliminal messages of discord. The whole month of July has been screwy around here. ] 04:31, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I've enjoyed my time here, and done much good work; my time, however, is over, and leaving is the best thing for me and for Misplaced Pages. I walk away happy to be free to go about other things. I hope others will refocus the energy they have spent the past few days in defending and denouncing me to make something here at Misplaced Pages better. | |||
| :::Not quite; I'm just tired of everybody expecting they can come dump on me and still have me go merrily on doing the things they want me to do. Declaring both Mackensen and I to be disruptive users when we spend hundreds of hours a month doing this was so far beyond what we deserve as to defy written expression. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 04:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ⚫ | With love to all who have been my friends here, <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 03:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC) | ||
| ::::No argument there. But I'm also referring to Socafan, and ConradD, and the move war over Israeli Apartheid (and Fred's proposal to ban the editors involved for one month per move), and Homey's bizzarre attempt to hide a self-check (after which he has apparently left), and El C blocking Kelly Martin over some kind of secret list, and 28 pending cases at RFAR, and on and on. If I may pretend to be a sociologist, I would say that idiocy on wikipedia is in a positive-feedback loop, but with sufficient lag time that it normally dampens itself harmlessly. With half the english language wikipedians on summer break and full of free time, the lag time is cut so that the positive feedback idiocy loop never has a chance to peter out, resulting in an idiocy cascade effect which built up through June and is discharging in July. Either than, or the ]. ] 04:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :::::Who knows, you may be right. I think July is generally a memorable month for departures; didn't RickK leave last July? <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 05:03, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| :Yeah you guys get some of the worst of it. The wierd feedback loop is in full effect on the wiki, and it invariably spills onto RFCU it seems. ] 05:27, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Not my problem anymore. I've been talked into sticking with it several times, but it isn't happening this time. I imagine a month from now, when nobody's had any answer to any request, there will be a dramatic change in tone. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 05:29, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Blimey. Essjay, I think you seriously need to step back and take a deep breath. Your response to me seems overblown, and if you think anyone is accusing you of disruptive editing then let me quickly disabuse you of that notion. The point I am trying to make is that the block was in my view unjustified. Are you prepared to discuss that point or not? If you can't see that all users should be treated the same, then I'm not sure what else to do here. The block was too strong, discussion would have settled the issue and I think there was crabbiness on all parts. CovenantD had clearly described himself new to the process, and so I think there was a clear case of ] here. Don't you think we all work our asses of for this site, or are you asking for preferential treatment? There is no cabal, no elite and no second class citizens. ] <small>]</small> 10:51, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I don't ask for preferential treatment; I do expect users to recognize that I'm not doing a job I get harassed for doing, and by extension, if they harass me, I won't do it anymore. If treating me nicely in order to keep me working at RFCU is asking for preferential treatment, and continuing to do RFCU in the face of growing harassment is just something I should accept, then I think I've made a damn good decision to not take part anymore. | |||
| ::I felt the comments were inappropriate, that they were incivil and bordered on personal attacks. I was leaving a comment along the lines of "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar" when I was edit conflicted by his nasty response to Mackensen; at that point, I felt he'd had enough warning (I feel Mackensen's refusal was more than enough to say "Uhh, maybe I should stop and think about what I've said and consider apologizing") and I blocked him. There are hundreds of such blocks every day, and I bet if I go searching through your block log, I'll find plenty of them. I'm just wondering if you think calling me on this publicly, instead of emailing to say "I think you may have been over the top" was worth the message you ended up sending, which is: "I couldn't care less about the stuff you do, whether you keep doing it, or how many people are inconvenienced by me driving you not to do it anymore, this is so important that I have to publicly call you out on it and then rip on you on ANI without even the courtesy of telling you I'm doing it." <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 11:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Trawl through my block logs, Essjay, I don't mind . I didn't email you as I tend to do everything on wiki, I apologise if that is the wrong way to do things. I still don't see his reply to Mackensen as out of line given Mackensen's comment, in fact I think it's justifiable. I don't think Mackensen's comment was offering the warning you believe it was, it seemed more likely to inflame the situation that act as a warning. Telling people you're not goin to do something because they've insulted you isn't best practise if it isn't 100% clear a personal insult was levelled. I don't see there being a personal insult being levelled, rather frustration at the system. As to what messages I'm sending, I'm happy to let my words, actions and edits speak for themselves. This was never about ripping you, this was about asking whether this was a questionable block. I apologise for the fact that this has caused you offence; that was never my intention. I was simply looking to see if this was a justified block. ] <small>]</small> 11:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::There really isn't anywhere further to go with this: I feel the block was justified, and quite a few people have agreed with me. You and several others disagree. Perhaps that was why the blocking policy used to say "These blocks are almost always controversial." Neither the block nor the damage that has been done to my desire to handle RfCU can be undone, and spending more time with each of us continuing to say "I'm in the right here" is only keeping us from doing something productive. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 12:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Essjay, I'm not sitting here saying I was right, perhaps that's where the problem lies. All I wanted to do was to ask you to consider the block. As you have now done so, the matter, on my part, is done. Once again, I apologise for the way this turned out, and I will certainly consider your advice to question blocks via email in the future, I'm sorry that didn't occur to me in this instance. To be perfectly honest, I don't blame you for stepping down from RfCU, but please don't stop enjoying Misplaced Pages on my account. ] <small>]</small> 12:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| There appears to be a in it, as it's doing "Sandbox talk)" instead of "Sandbox talk". Thought you might like to tweak it. :-) ] <small>(])</small> 00:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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| What is the code for a Meta userbox.G]o. 07:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :A Meta userbox? Like the one on my userpage that says "This user is an administrator on Meta"? It's at ] and ]. Otherwise, you'll have to point me to an example. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 07:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == New Yorker == | |||
| Pretty cool. ] 15:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Indeed. <tt>;)</tt> <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 16:16, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Yes, rather cool. And a rather good article generally.--]]] 17:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I did eight hours of interviews for it...I'm glad I got a mention or two. <tt>;D</tt> <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 17:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Eight hours, Essjay, you must be a slow speaker! How did they initially contact you, was it an initial press inquiry which then got forwarded to you via OTRS?--]]] 17:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::No, a special request; they talked to several people who mentioned me, and it went from there. <span style="font-family: Verdana">] ]</span> 17:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Now the truth is out; you were set up by your fellow editors! Seriously, they chose well when they chose to interview you. We could not ask for a better representative. ]<sup>]</sup> 18:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
Latest revision as of 17:05, 18 October 2023
R E T I R E D
This user is no longer active on Misplaced Pages.
My comments here will be short and to the point: I'm no longer taking part here. I have received an astounding amount of support, especially by email, but it's time to go. I tried to walk away in August, and managed to do so for quite a while, but I eventually came back, because of the many requests I received urging me to return. Many of you have written to ask me to not leave, to not give up what I have here, but I'm afraid it's time to make a clean break.
I ask that the first steward to see this message please remove my various flags from this wiki, as well as from Meta, Commons, and Wikiquote, and remove the bot flags from my bots, which of course will no longer be running. My tools will be taken down shortly. I had planned to delete my user-space myself, but I don't want anyone to think I was going on a rampage, so instead, I ask that one or more administrators who are friends please delete the 288 pages that form my userspace (leaving only my userpage and this talk page).
I've enjoyed my time here, and done much good work; my time, however, is over, and leaving is the best thing for me and for Misplaced Pages. I walk away happy to be free to go about other things. I hope others will refocus the energy they have spent the past few days in defending and denouncing me to make something here at Misplaced Pages better.
With love to all who have been my friends here, Essjay (Talk) 03:17, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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