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	==Tajik alphabet==		== Help please ==
			Hello Francis, please help me with this article, it's not objective and it's not civil. At least pls let me know your opinion. See ]. Regards. --] 16:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
	Visitors to my talk page should feel free to check out ] and suggest improvements ^___^ - ] 19:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Re: Does Misplaced Pages Have Authority? ==
	:I think you should make a wikitable (class="wikitable") for the alphabets, with pronunciation etc. --] 19:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks for your comment on my essay about Misplaced Pages's authority . I responded on my user talk page . - ] 20:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
	I think I'm going to translate it in ] (]) in recent time... I hope you don't mind. ] 19:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Misplaced Pages Research Survey Request ==
	== DYK Coccolithovirus ==
			Hello, I am a member of a research group at (formerly known as Xerox PARC) studying how conflicts occur and resolve on Misplaced Pages. Due to your experience in conflict resolution on Misplaced Pages (e.g., as a member of the ]) we’re extremely interested in your insights on this topic. We have a survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=400792384029 which we are inviting a few selected Wikipedians to participate in, and we would be extremely appreciative if you would take the time to complete it. As a token of our gratitude, we would like to present you with a PARC research star upon completion. Thank you for your time.
	On June 1, ''']''' was updated with a fact from the article ''''']''''', which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on ].
			] 00:02, 26 July 2006 (UTC) </br>
	Thanks for the submission! I've used the image on the main page as well; feel free to mention on any future nominations that the article has a good image to go along with it. --]<sup>]]</sup>&nbsp;<small><font color="brown">]</font></small> 22:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
			PARC User Interface Research Group
			:The name is a non-issue. The research result will contain anonymized information. Thank you very much for your participation! ] 02:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Greco-Turkish War ==
			== NK ==
	Why did you protected Greco-Turkish War? There was no Vandalism in that article.(] 10:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
			No problem (about ignoring Tabib) :). I think its best though to delete his unhelpful comments altogether (just as you have done with Fadix)--you clearly see that he is poisoning the mediation process with his accusations and attacks. And by keeping reverting you on the talk page. You don't need to allow him to do it--I urge you to stick to your decision and move his comments up--right now, it's hard to find the 3 versions that we are working on, and to respond to them. They are completely buried in the midst of Tabib's diversions.--] 01:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	If you don't know why, don't protect (] 10:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
	== Re: Macedonian language ==		== ] ==
			Hi Francis. Could u please take a look in this article? Sections have been removed and tags added during the past 24 hours, without logical explanation. i cannot revert again, cause i don't wanna break the rule:p --] 01:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	You're certainly welcome, but whatever edit you refer to, it certainly wasn't mine -- I only formatted the examples to look more nicer.
			:I think that the info and references provided in ] are more than enough for this section to stay.... Am I wrong? --] 01:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
	Is there a particular reason why you're changing the references back to '''obsolete''' {{tl|ref}} tags? &lt;ref> style is now "officially" preferred. ]
	:For the start, ]. I don't think that it's so "unworkable" though -- see . ] 11:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Tajik ==
	::Do you think my page is still acceptable? --] 16:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi. Thank you for welcoming me in. I'll try to help improving pages on Tajik language as soon as I have a little moment. I tried to find out who were the Tajik contributors, but I did not succeed. I may not be familiar enough with the interface. ] 12:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC).
	:::I really can't see what may be considered polemical in Vergina's page. Apart maybe from renaming certain sub-pages, which I do not consider so important. Please advise... ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 18:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Some crackpot problems ==		== History of NK ==
			Hi Francis. I would like to draw your attention to what’s going on with the ] article. Eupator and Tigran persistently remove the reference added by me (). I believe this is a deliberate attempt to suppress information that does not suit a certain POV. I don’t think it is OK by the rules to remove legitimate references, even if someone does not like them. I got blocked despite never breaking the 3RR rule, but I think the measures should be taken to prevent the references being removed from the article without any valid explanation. There will be no reason for edit wars then.
	Hi Francis, can I have your help in a somewhat sensitive issue please? I came across an editor, ], who has created quite a few articles which I believe have serious quality problems (unsourced, OR, promoting fringe theories, often with linguistic topics). I have the feeling some cleanup needs to be done, but I don't want to appear to be stalking the guy, who is clearly a well-meaning, good-faith editor. I've started at ] (a pseudo-linguistic crackpot theorist) - please see the article talk page, where Deucalionite has been rather defiant about previous objections and prod'ing proposals. I've also left a note to him on his talk page, hopefully friendly enough. ] ] 19:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
			Also, the tags are being removed from the ] article, despite the fact that the same Shahmuratian is used as a primary reference, and in addition to him a well-known pro-Armenian source Caroline Cox is being used too. Despite that, certain users claim that the article is neutral. I know you must be really tired of all these disputes, but would you mind to have a look at those articles? Thanks in advance. ] 06:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
	:The character in that article sounds hilarious! He's probably right though ;-) --] 19:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Of course not. All languages of the world are derived from Basque. , . ] ] 19:48, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
			Too bad I never saw this earlier. I fully responded to GM on the NK History page--it's pretty simple. The article already includes what the primary source document states--that an Azeri governor was appointed. What Tabib tried to add (and GM followed the lead) was to add POV interpretation that somehow this was a de-facto recognition of Azeri ownership, which is not contained in the British circular, and which is disputed by sources. Also, this is the very issue that we are trying to resolve on the NK page--and adding the whole section on the British appointment is like trying to jump the gun on the dispute.
	== Latest vandalism by ] ==
			As for Sumgait, Shahmuradyan is only used for the responses and statements of the Armenian side, and he is only one of many sources. This, again, has been extensively explained.--] 08:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	I saw you had reverted the vandalism by Cyde to the Ref/Note templates, but then reverted yourself. You were right the first time. This rogue admin has vandalized many pages, and otherwise abused administrative powers to push his individual ideas on reference styles (for example, converting pages directly contrary to page consensus; and falsely changing guidelines to indicate a deprecation consensus that does not exist). This earned him a couple RfC's so far; but unfortunately, not yet a desysop'ing, which he desperately needs.
			== I know, I need to stop dragging my feet... ==
	I implore you to restore the templates to the version before the non-consenus, and basically simply false, deprecation notice. <font color="darkgreen">]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">]</font> 21:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
			Ok, I ''finally'' started a rough outline of what I'm going to add to Anarchism in the United States like I said I would. It's currently quite bad, but here is the ]. Tell others about it. <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 07:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			== Anarchism template ==
	You do know this article exists, don't you, before you created your fork ;-) --] 10:47, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
			From Encarta: "Another branch of individualism was found in the United States and was far less radical. The American Benjamin Tucker (1854-1939) believed that maximum individual liberty would be assured where the free market was not hindered or controlled by the State and monopolies. The affairs of society would be governed by myriad voluntary societies and cooperatives, by, as he aptly put it, “un-terrified” Jeffersonian democrats, who believed in the least government possible. Since World War II this tradition has been reborn and modified in the United States as anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism."
	== Barnstarred ==
			I think I have provided enough quotes and arguments here and on ], which has gone a bit off-topic there now. If I do not see any coherent argument from you I'm going to change the template. ] 17:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
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			:Where are those "Many sources" you are talking about? ] 18:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
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			::Are you still going to respond, or not? ] 16:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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	|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | I award this '''original barnstar''' to Francis for his great efforts at making the Macedonia-related articles so much more peaceful a place to edit. -- ] ] 20:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
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	== ]==
	Hey - I'm a "plumber/bricklayer/binman/carpenter/mechanic"! :) (I agree with your point though.) --] 20:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it . I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! <font face="Flat Brush"> ] 15:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)</font>
	== ] ==
			==The Borders==
	Hi,
			Hi, this is <tt>Andy123</tt> from IRC. How's the work on the T-shirt going on? --] 10:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
			:T-shirt? What t-shirt? I think I might want one of these! <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 05:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Rôle vs role ==
	Perhaps you could take a look at this article. I have argued that it is based entirely on a Greek POV, and its title is innapropiate. Thanks, --] 23:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis,
	==]==
			I've put an explanation of why I think "role", not "rôle", is the most appropriate spelling over on the ]. ] 13:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	Francis can you look and contribute essentially to the NPOV of article ]? Again ] is playing in the old ] way as he did on ] supporting now the following: '''Moldovans=Russians'''! Very strange, but you can contribute essentially and all will accept your mediation. ] 13:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Link==
	== ] ==
			Why have you removed the ? It's not redundant you know. --] 16:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	He's still continuing with the irredenta stuff. ] 18:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
			:I've made the link to function. See please if it is redirecting correct. Thanks. I mean "Multumesc" for you! --] 16:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			:OK, atunci prietene fii cuminte :) --] 16:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Now ] has joined with the same map. ] 18:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)		:Multumesc, stii tu pentru ce. Multumesc si pentru fixarea paginii. M-am chinuit vreo 10 minute cu ea. Esti tare! --] 17:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Cand vrei sa vorbim online? Spune-mi :) --] 17:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Hi, I've been mostly spending my free time in doing my stuff at mk.wiki these days (massive update of the translation), so I haven't had the time for en.wiki. I've noticed that you have problems with ] and , I really don't know what's up with these guys... The Macedonian diaspora has some nationalistic elements, maybe it's because some of them had a really painful childhood (the exodus of Macedonians from Greece etc.). Anyways, what do you think about Macedonia's current user page. Because I know that this flag is really contentious, I would have removed it, however, it seems somewhat similar to page at mk.wiki. Are flags also belong into the inflammatory material? As for my personal POV about this flag: I really don't know how it became the "eternal symbol" of both Macedonians and Greeks, since it was discovered in the late 70's, and as far as I know, nobody had a clue about it before. However, although I really like the new flag, and the sun symbolics, I don't really condemn those who still use the old flag (doesn't mean that they are ''necessary'' nationalists or something). For example, still uses it (I guess as something of a "self-identifying" flag of the community) This (my opinion) also applies for the Greek variant. --] 22:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Multumesc si mai vb --] 18:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::Actually, I to use the old flag instead of the ] map. --] 22:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Official request==
	::::OK. I saw that. Do you consider your user page on mk.wiki to be chauvinistic, as well? --] 23:40, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			Can you please protect my page so that is not a tool in hand of vandalisers until I solve my issues (RfC,...) with this bounch of vandals? Multumesc! --] 18:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Francis, you must be joking. I was referring to Telex! :-)--] 23:47, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Bunch of vandals, against which you'll react ? Quite stylish... ] 19:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::Don't push it FunkyFLOCK--] 19:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::: Fran, all the dispute is about the {{tl|sockpuppet}} tag put by Khoikhoi, who grounded his suspicions very well at the ]. If a version needs to be protected, it should be the one with the tag on. '']]]'' 19:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::::Don't make any new harassments, I will use them against you...--] 19:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			::::::Hahahaha! Make some up, and use them as well. Might even be more believable. ] 19:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
			==RfC against ]==
	== Copyvio ==
			Hello! I started an RfC against ], you should come and help me, since you were involved in the dispute http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/TodorBozhinov Cheers,--] 19:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	Hi, Vlatko just uploaded ], which he made using Google Earth. The problem is that it is a copyvio - Google Earth includs this condition:
	:''This Software is for non-commercial use only and your rights in the Software are strictly limited to home, personal or recreational use only by you and not for the benefit of third parties.''
	How on earth did Vlatko licence it under the ]??? --] 21:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Please stop this vandle with multiple user names and IP addresses==
	: Other recent uploads. . ] 21:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
			One, or perhaps two, people have been vandalizing the ] article, and using personal insults against me and others.
	::Vlatko releases ] under the GFDL whilst citing a link - that link says Copyright © 2006 TrekEarth at the bottom. No comment. --] 21:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
			Some of his usernames are: CH1; The MAN; Will Beback is a Nigger Faggot; AssMan2005; Skoda's Shlong; JAveline; and many others!
	== User Page ==
			Some of these users have been disciplined or blocked indefinately, but he just keeps signing on with a new username!
			Some of the IP addresses he uses are: 68.46.74.45; 69.234.96.87; 69.234.138.173; 69.234.121.172; amongst others. According to http://whois.domaintools.com;
	:So let me get this straight, I created and uploaded an image myself, which is curently being used on ], and I can't even use it on my own user page??? ] 01:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			Some of these IP address are traceable to:
	The image has the following caption:
	:''The region of Macedonia as perceived by Macedonian irredentists. Ethnic Macedonian nationalists have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (])...''
	So by including it in your userpage, you admittedly identify as:
	*a "Macedonian" ]
	*an Ethnic "Macedonian" ]
	*who expresses ] claims on what he refers to as ]...
	YES! You cannot have it in your userpage, the same way as you cannot have:
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	etc etc etc. Any more questions? ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 08:05, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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	:So I guess Britannica happens to be a "Macedonian" ] and an Ethnic "Macedonian" ] because they happen to use a similar map in their encyclopedias when depicting the Macedonian region as well as the terms Aegean and Pirin Macedonia. So I don't see how a simple map of the region of Macedonia which is currently being used by scholars in encyclopedias can be compared with a swastika. If you have any more questions you can ask me or better yet consult a Britanica. ] 20:31, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			Reverse DNS: adsl-69-234-138-173.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net
			and the rest are traceable to:
	::Duh? Britannica shows the swastica as well. It doesn't self-identify as such, by placing it in its cover. You on the other hand... ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 20:45, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
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	:::I highly doubt Britannica uses that map (even at all) calling it "Historical Ethnic Macedonia". Britannica is extremely sceptical regarding the so called "Macedonian ethnicity", and evades mentioning it my name whenever possible. --] 20:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			Reverse DNS: c-68-46-74-45.hsd1.pa.comcast.net
			A few of these IP addresses have been blacklisted, for whatever reason!
	== Semivowels (copied from my user page) ==
			If you look at the history page of ] you will see that this article is plagued with personal insults in the history page (and elseware) and vandalism. Sometimes the vandalism is a bigotted or racist remark, sometimes it is pornography. Many antivandal bots and human users have reverted these vandalisms over and over again. He has vandalized many other articles as well!
	Regarding semivowels, I got that from lunt 1952, now he may well be wrong, or I might have confused the terminology. Can you point me at another study of Macedonian phonology? - ] 17:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
			But he is clearly using dynamic IP addresses. There MUST be something wikipedia can do to block this guy indefinately!
	:Well, I'd stick with Friedman on this one. You know, same online grammar. Friedman calls only /j/ a "]" (= "]"), while /l/, /ł/, and /r/ are just liquids - two lateral (approximant)s and one trill - i.e. the standard situation in 99% of the languages you would normally think of. There might be a lateral and a rhotic semivowel in some language, but at least I've never heard of one. --] 07:59, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks in advance for your help!
			] 19:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
	==Stan Lazaridis==
			==Template:Infobox Union==
	:''Copied to ].''
			Hi Francis. Any chance that you're conversant in QIF syntax? I recently converted the ] over from the old "hiddenStructure" style, but I seemed to have a small problem. Now there are several lines of white-space being produced at the top of articles using the box - but I have no idea why. Would you look at it sometime when you have a moment? (Or if that's not your forte, would you know anyone that I could ask?) Cheers. Chris --] 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks for having a look. I'll ask at the 'pump. --] 16:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==		== ] ==
			The article wasn't deleted, as you may or may not have heard elsewhere, so I'm canvassing opinions for what to rename it to/merge it to on its relevant talk page. All reasonable suggestions will be entertained. ] 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi Francis, an article you once created as a stub, ], has been put on AfD. I haven't voted (just corrected the malformed nomination) - but I must say I wonder what you wanted to achieve with this article. It seems to me that it's doomed to be either a dicdef, or a POV dump. It's a matter of intension vs. extension: "Albanisation" as a ''concept'' (intension) is a dicdef, while in terms of extension whatever it refers to doesn't really seem to form a single coherent historical phenomenon. Of course this or that may have become "Albanised" here or there sometime in history, but does that make all these disparate historical events into a single article topic? Do we have ], ], ], ], ...? (Let's see how much of this turns blue in preview, I'm really curious.) Or is it the case that there is some particularly salient period in Balkan history characterised by a single trend of Albanian expansion, and the article is meant to describe that?
	Your comments? I'll hold back any vote until I hear your opinion. I'm quite open to being convinced of the merits of the article, it's just that I can't really see it right now. The AfD nominator is an Albanian editor who seems to have issues with several Albanian-related articles. ] ] 22:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks for your explanation. Seems the AfD is turning safely towards keep, and I won't oppose that. I can see now that this was part of a series I wasn't aware of.
	:<pieve type="pet" mode="rant" switch="on">Although, to be frank, I'm still not quite happy with those kinds of articles. Somehow there's a hyper-proliferation of ethnicities-related articles, for my taste. For every nation X, where it would really suffice to have one country article ("X-istan") and one language article ("X-ese"), these days we get one ethnicity article ("X people"), one on nationalist grievances ("Anti-X-ism"), one on irredentism ("Greater X-ism"), one on assimilation ("X-ification"). The whole "X people" concept seems suspicious to me, the very article format tends to attract ethnic essentialist thinking.</pieve> -- ] ] 08:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
	== About mk.wiki ==		== Macedonism ==
			You'll have to be more specific about what exactly is disputed and unverified, or I'll have to revert you, whenever my budget permits. ] 17:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	''Everybody'' considers mk.wiki as bad? :-( Bad in what way, in particular? Neutrality? (you mean, it's worse than for example bg.wiki?) --] 23:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Your decisions to merge the sections was not discussed. Why are you doing it? ] 18:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	I guess you read only the latest comments :-). Now, for the user pages of Macedonia and Telex - personally I don't find them chauvinistic, but rather provocative. As for the mk.wiki, I guess you meant bad in NPOV implementation. Yes, it ''is'' bad in some articles, however, I'm under the impression that is not worse than bg.wiki, for example (el.wiki and sq.wiki I don't understand). Typical Balkan POVs ''do'' influence it. However, if you think that an average mk.Wikipedian resembles ] ], ], you're seriously wrong - they don't even edit on mk.wiki. The most nationalistic editor we have had, is perhaps ], who left the project because we have reverted him on several occasions. He vigorously protested why we had put both Macedonian and Greek (red and blue) Vergina star flag on the general ] page, and the Greeks haven't done that. --] 00:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Oh, and you just had to forget INkubusse, Evla, Alexander SK (aka Realek), Guitardemon666 and whole bunch of others. Dont let me present you links with curses upon curses on Bulgarian and Greek users, just like it happens here. ] 01:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)		:::Yes, about that nationalism thing? Your sources? ] 18:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
			::::And btw, how is removing the region of Macedonia and ethnic Macedonians, replacing them with Macedonians an improvment? ] 18:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Heh, no worse than bg.wiki. You have some nerve FlavrSavr. The article about Macedonian language clearly presents both sides of the story, in excrutiating detail, much like en.wiki. For all the revolutionaries and tzar Samuil, the situation is pretty much the same as en.wiki. I dont see you comparing mk.wiki with en.wiki though. There are no propagandas on massive scale, like taking over parts of neighboring countries and claiming millions of people. Articles are fairly well sourced and chauvinism is under control. Most importantly, the self-determination principle is being followed, unlike at mk.wiki. ] 01:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::::So since you "did not add it", were you blindly reverting then? ] 18:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Nationalism, and the Balkan wikipedias ==
			::<s>The problem that I see is that you make accusations of incivility, while your majesty is allowed to curse. A role model? </s> ] 18:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	It is not only to be expected, but to be respected. Any tempering influence on the ex-Yugoslav Wikipedias (in particular, sr: and hr:) would '''destroy''' the relationship between them. At the same time, it is not all so bad that you would have the right to gasp in horror. Neither sr: nor hr: tramps more than the Serbian or Croatian media. Maybe on less, because hr: is populated with educated adults, whereas on sr:, though it is known for accomodating us punks once in a while, there nonetheless exists an internal atmosphere which will prevent any significant distortions. --] 03:37, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Gee whiz, I can quote you on saying "fuck" outside of your fuck the border thing. There's the blind revert, why dont you read the talk of the page? ] 19:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	: I clarified by striking "on". --] 16:51, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Accepted, so how about discussing changes, which you so much advocated earlier? ] 19:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Greco-Turkish war 1919-1922 ==
			:::So, are you going to remove the ''nationalists'' bit, or should we wait for about 24 hours and start reverting? ] 19:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	Repeated insertion of uncited information is neither vandalism nor a reason for "sprotection". Please unprotect this article. ] 10:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::Ok, not bad. Two things, why is Bulgarian deleted from the list of languages in the beginning, and why is a stub template added at the bottom. The article is hardly a stub anymore. ] 19:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Thank you very much! ==
	] 10:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)		I've made some edits on Macedonism.--] 19:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
			http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Bulgarian_language&diff=67095412&oldid=67086402 ] 19:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	==Hi==		== The source ==
			Here it Check art 3. Also, if you "inspect carefully the diff" you will find that there are four reverts in less than 24 hrs. ] 21:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	Glad to see there are impartial thirds dealing with the Macedonian issues and all other exclusively Greek issues in general. I thought we should be introduced! ZITO I ELLAS! ] ] <sup><font size="-2">]</font></sup> 13:27, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			::And? It is a question of taste and consensus if it should be added, and I dont believe so. Turkish btw does not have any legal use in Bulgaria. ] 21:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	==Hi==
			::::::Yes well, that's why the policy reminds "When in doubt, do not revert". There is nothing restricting the usage of a previous version. Even so, there might be a fresher one. The user was warned on at least four occasions though. ] 22:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	Why do yoy think that you are competent, how do you ditinguish whats inflamatory?. And therefore give your self the right to play with other user pages than yours?--] 18:57, 06 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::::::I would not be so sure about the claim that Bulgaria has much more minorities percentagewise than Britain. In the 2001 census there are 16% minorities, versus about 14 in the UK. ] 22:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	here are some: Makedonia's user page, Pulvis angelis's page... I tought that every user has the page in order to expres him self, therefore he has the liberty to write and put every kind of image or text on.?--] 20:00, 06 June 2006 (UTC)
			::::::::How about the Scottish people? About 8% of the population? Jamaicans? Pakistani and so on... ] 22:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	:See ]. --] 18:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::::::::I guess you should pose the same question for the Kurdish language in Turkey. ] 22:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Nexm0d ==
			::::::::::Actually I dont care who asked you. ] 22:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	You don't like Serbs, do you ? See also ] ;-) --] 18:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::::::::::Since you nonetheless revealed it - good for you. ] 22:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	:Nexm0d is right though - it's perfectly clear that we're dealing with the same language. It should be called ''Yugoslavic'' of something else politically correct. I don't know about your Serbophobic agenda, but you certainly have a pro-FYROM agenda; you reject historical facts in favour of what is written at www.maknews.com. --] 18:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
			::::::::::::If this will stop you from pinging me indefinitely, I cant confirm or deny anything. ] 22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Hey ==
			:::::::::::::Embarassed is not the right term. More like, being political. ] 23:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	Check out this nationalistic rant I stumbled upon at ]. "One Turk worths a World"! :D &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 23:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Template:Note ==		==A doubt==
			I wanted an advice from you as an expert admin: could an editor be legitimately blocked for excessive edit-warring even if he hasn't formally violated the 3RR? I know it would be a case of controversial block, but I wanted to know if it is judged a legitimate option, or something disapproved of by wikipedia rules and guidelines. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Ciao--] 22:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Hồ Chí Minh ==
	Hello. There appears to be two errors on ]: the misuse of '''it’s''', and an odd code at the end. I would appreciate it if you fix these up. Thanks in advance. --] 03:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			Thank you for notifying me about that page. I am monitoring the page now, and have responded on the talk page. Again, thank you. --] 23:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Plenary Indulgence ==
			== The vandal of the BHHS article is back and is insulting you now! ==
	This revokes my <strike>previous reward attempt</strike> poorly thought out vandalism of your user page.
			I believe ] is another sock puppet of CH1 aka The MAN, etc. He is a brand new user with three edits, and all of them are to vandalize my User page and my personal talk page, and to insult you!
			He put this on my user page:
			"Fuck you francistyers. You're no help at ALL!!! frm karmak the great homosexual drag queen extraordinaire."
			He deserves to be blocked. Again, thank you so much for your help!
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			==]==
	==Continued Arvanite trouble==
			Did you known that Bulgaria was the most fervent and loyal communist state to the Soviet Union? All sources indicated so far that was a country that obeyed to Kremlin without any trace of dignity. It's interesting this history. I think I will search more material on this topic. --] 06:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	Could you have another look at ], perhaps? Thanks! ] ] 16:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			:That Bulgarian communist officially wanted to join Soviet Union, see here: ''In 1968 Todor Zhivkov unoficially requested that Bulgaira join the Soviet Union as a Soviet Republic.'' --] 09:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
			::Francis, honestly. Am I or ? Apology? ] 15:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			::Apparently he is interested in a broader range of Balkan-related topics. I must admit I was not convinced it was Bonaparte all along though. ] 15:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	Let's get done with it and ask for these features all together. There are only two points requesting your attention: (1)the foo/goo thing, which actually works and (2)a proposal for the text flow. Please comment on both. ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 16:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			==BCF==
	:Done. See ]. Can you help formatting the poll or any procedural details if needed? ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 17:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			Will add some chronology tomorrow, but it will concern mostly the KKE; it would be great if someone has information on the role of the USSR. ] 15:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Bitola ==		==Macedonism==
			Better now? ] 16:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi, could you see ]. --] 17:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Btw ] is an expert in the subject matter. ] 17:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi, its me again :( Maybe it is really irelevant what we are arguing about whole night, but FunkyFly has removed sourced data from the ] introduction. ] 20:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Fran, check the situation more carefully before making strong statements in the edit comments. ] 22:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Arvanitika ==		== ] ==
			Thanks! Actually just translating... There is a lot, some very good classic books have been written, and I suspect most of the info coming from there... Cheers! ] 00:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
	Francis, if you want to discuss the linguistic classification of Arvanitika, then please read all the archives. There is not one source describing it as a seperate language from Albanian, whereas there are multiple sources (Trudgill included) calling it a "dialect". See this to see how this Arvanite at least feels. --] 18:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Vlatkoto ==		== Vandalism ==
			You're welcome :-) - ] 19:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi, I'm having trouble with Vlatkoto. There are two images:
	*]
	*]
	and he won't say where he got them, or, if he made them, if he was free to use the used images. I'm afraid I don't trust his GFDL claims. About the Skopje emblem, he uploaded it and released it under the GFDL, while saying he got of from the city's website. This is too inconsistent. --] 13:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			== no problem-vandalism ==
	:Look, he's even edit warring with me over it . He claims he made the picture, but if he made it using unfree images, then it's still a copyvio. --] 13:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)::
			any time ;) ] 22:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Telex, I created the image Skopje real using macromedia fireworks, I created also and other images, lotss of, I enjoy drawing, and I have skils. And tell me who are you to take such actions, Than tell me who made the picture Skopje real> the coat of skopje is taken from the official site. Realy you are not doing nothing good here.--] 15:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	:::Will you judje me and for the amblem with mine name for using the lion and vergina sun for..>>>]--] 15:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			Look what's going on. ] 16:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
	If you took the arms of Skopje from their website, then you '''''cannot''''' release it under the GFDL, as it is copyrighted. You can only upload it for ] purposes, something you clearly have not done. --] 13:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Seems to be back to normal. ] 17:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::Sorry for, I do make mestakes, I'm just human, Please correct the licence info---] 15:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			== "Darth" deletion ==
	:::::You are so lying. You lied for half of the images you uploaded that you made yourself and you know it, so have some dignity. ] 15:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hope I'm not overstepping the bounds, but I copied it to his userspace (]). I get a feeling he might turn out to be a good contributor. ] | <sup>]</sup> 00:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
	Sorry, I will review the copiright information of the images I used, And if I find problems I will ask you to delete the image.---] 15:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	Ok, Francis I agree, but I will upload images that can be uploaded without "problem", you know what i mean. And why is the image removed from Skopje article, I think it should stay there till we see its copiright status, we have seven days or less for. ? .---] 18:56, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			I noticed that you have deleted ] in response to my CSD for a ] with ]. Its been over an hour and I noted the page hasn't reappeared. Is the history merge still in progress or has there been a whoops? <font style="font-variant: small-caps;">-- ]<sup>(])</sup></font> 01:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			:I've also added this to <s>deletion review</s> ], in case you can't get back to this in a while. Thanks Francis :) <font style="font-variant: small-caps;">-- ]<sup>(])</sup></font> 03:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
			::Thanks Francis! :) <font style="font-variant: small-caps;">-- ]<sup>(])</sup></font> 16:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
			== A technical question ==
	Hi. Could you please have a look at Nakhichevan? Fadix is trying to include in the article the info which he failed to substantiate on the talk page by waging a revert war. I would appreciate your efforts to mediate. Regards, ] 18:07, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, I don't know much about computers or all the tools at an admin's disposal, but an anon was recently asking if I could clear their edit history for privacy reasons for them. I know as an admin you can delete user pages and such, but I don't know if you can do this (I doubt it). Anyway, they talked about it on my talk (under the titles DHS, DHS2, DHS3 and DHS4) and on their ]. Thanks. <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 09:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
			==WP:3RR==
	== Prlichev & Miladinov brothers ==
			Thanks. ] 16:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
			== GFDL (Re:Here) ==
	:''Moved to ].''
			Thanks. Isn't cut and paste edit violation of GFDL policy? ] 17:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
	==]==
	Greetings! Regarding the ], I'm curious about how to proceed. There are two appraches in my mind..
	# Break it down in to an era by Era section, so "Under Lenin", to "under Stalin" all the way to "Under Gorby". This will mean it will be in accurate chronological order, but will treat the varying Ethnic groups as Homogenous.
	# Break it into a Republic, or Area, by Republic secion, so "In Tajikistan", "In Kazakhstan", even a "In Afghanistan" - This I do not favour, for while the ethnic groups do have different histories, are they significantly different enough in the context of the history of the Soviet Union?
			:I don't see logic in that. If "GFDL requires acknowledgement of all contributors" by cutting and pasting that acknowledgement is equally lost as with copying and pasting. ] 17:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
	Well, Clearly I do not know - So, your thoughts? --]\<sup>]</sup> 14:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Macedonia==
			While I have not checked the edit history, this strongly resembles a continuation of the ] dispute. Nineteenth and early twentieth century maps (the 1911 Britannica, for example) routinely divide Turkey-in-Europe into Macedonia, Thrace, Albania, and Epirus (and other regions while the Turks held them). None of these are the Ottoman administrative districts, which were much smaller. ] 23:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
			:While I regret having noticed this so late in the process, compare the editors concerned. My understanding of the state of affairs is in ; my source is the last, by William Miller. ] 00:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
			::I'll see if Miller has anything, although he's mostly very oldfashioned diplomatic/parliamentary history. The problem with Wilkinson is that he's being correctly cited for a half-truth: Macedonia wasn't an Ottoman adminstrative unit; it was ''several'' Ottoman administrative units. ] 00:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
			:::Hi, I just saw all this (Fran's talk, FAC talk, article talk, your talk, history template, article itself). I'm the one who copied all this from the M-(region) article. I must admit I haven't read Wilkinson, apart from the parts already included. Please, if you have the time, kindly copy some text that was left out in the article's talk, so that we include it.
			:::Re history template, again, that was specificaly quoted by Wilkinson in the M-(region) article. Was Macedonia a constant stable well-defined "set of administrative units" as you said to Fran, or was it an arbitrary region until end 19th century, and after that it was defined to include the smaller units you have stated in the article? In any case, feel free to modify the "misleading" statement about "rarely used on maps", by enriching it with your additional info.
			:::Finally, "Macedonia for the Macedonians" by Gladstone. To which "Macedonians" exactly does he refer to? To the regioners collectively? To the Greeks? To the contemporary ethnic ones? To the Blagoevgrad-ians? To the Aromanians? To the Albanians? Can you clarify that please?
	==United Macedonia==
	:''Moved to ]''
			:::Goin' fishin' now... I'll be back later to check... ] 13:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			::::Duh! Moving that where it belongs...] 15:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Goce Delchev ==
	Your opinion would be welcome at the ongoing straw poll. Thanks, --]] <sup><small>]</small></sup> 11:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			Why are you making blind reverts again? At least leave the ref!! ] 16:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Hello ==
			:::FYI regarding your research - ]. ] 16:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	What do I hear this pro-Serbian/anti-Serbian attitude of yours? ;) Also, what's this that you believe in new ] theories, rather than plain facts? --] 14:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			::::Nice ISP you got :) ] 17:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	Oh! :) --] 15:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::::Oh man, 512/256. I feel for you. Dont they offer optics in the UK already? The unique name is nice, but a little too revealing in my opinion. Dont think they do it in too many other countries. ] 17:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Am I a wikistalker? ==
			:::::::Is this 8Mb down, 512K up now you cite optical cable, dsl, vdsl, or cable tv internet? With optics accross the pond they go up to 30mbs/5mbs but it costs a fortune. 15 Mbps/2 Mbps is decent. ] 17:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi Francis, I'm afraid the story between me and Deucalionite is at a stage where some admin advice is required. Could I have your opinion? Deuc. is now taking the matter personally and is seriously enraged at me, it seems. He's been reverting a {copyvio} tag I put on a new article by him, ]. I don't want to do this alone so as not to make it appear some kind of personal stalking vendetta of mine, so some outside advice would be appreciated. I've taken the freedom of asking dab too. ] ] 17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Old Macedonian ==
	:Thanks for your quick action. You're right of course about the "commerciality" clause. But looking at the deletion log now (), I see an earlier version of the same page, marked as a copyvio from a mirror of the same external article, had been deleted earlier in May. I don't know if that was also created by Deuc., but wouldn't this mean it should be speedied as recreation of previously deleted article? Thanks, ] ] 17:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			The term "Old Macedonian" for Old Church Slavonic is mentioned in the major English-language handbooks for OCS, such as those by Lunt, Nandris, and Schmalstieg. Since Cyril and Methodius were from Thessaloniki in Greek Macedonia over a thousand years ago, the language they spoke was an old, Macedonian Slavonic language. Please do not remove sourced material. ] 19:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	== FlavrSavr ==
			I should mention that this term has nothing to do with the modern Republic of Macedonia and its language, and in fact the term in English-language scholarship predates 1945. ] 19:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
	Do you think this is justified ? ] 23:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Publically==
	:''This has already not been tolerated'' says FlavrSavr - I suppose he's referring to ]; mkwiki must be worse than Turkey when it comes to challenging the ]. --] 23:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User%3AMboverload%2FRegExTypoFix&diff=68095766&oldid=68085088
			Why? --] 00:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			:See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Typo#Dictionary.com
	::As far as I've browsed, I'm not aware of any user page policies, and for that reason, any policies in general that apply there. ] 23:44, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			:I understand what you are saying here but I think publically is such a minority spelling, yet (was) so common here, that it is worth getting rid of it and standardising on publicly. Like humourous, or like connexion. Thanks for the nice thing you said. --] 00:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::Check the revision history of ] to see what certain users gat away with when they were on the right side of the doctrine. --] 23:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Please read ==
	I'm sure the same kind of stuff happens on all the Balkano-pedias. - ] ] 23:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			...and comment.
	:You criticize bgwiki when you get the chance, but when it comes to burying mkwiki, you go all soft and "let him without sin cast the first stone". You're far from neutral - are you a closet Macedonian Slav, maybe? --] 23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
			*This: is a text we should all carefully read and criticise before we start modifying the article. The link was provided by Politis, and I truncated some part of the address. Please read and comment. ] 15:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Macedonian Misplaced Pages is just as bad as the rest of them. And I'm shocked, you finally uncovered my secret! I'm not going to unilaterally condemn FlavrSavr just because he removed some chauvinistic BS from a users talk page. Just as I wouldn't criticise a Greek who removed United Macedonia crap from the talk page of a user on el.wiki or an Albanian who removed "Kosovo je Serbije" or whatever those nationalist fucktards write on their user pages from a page on the Albanian wikipedia. - ] ] 00:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Mediation needed==
	:::It seems you're not as petty as me. --] 00:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, I need your help. I feel that we need some sort of mediation over the ] article (see the talk page for further information - in particular the sections over the Karki exclave). I want to have an accurate article and I want it done right. Please help if you can. Thanks! -- ] 16:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks for your suggestion. I added my input, tell me what you think. -- ] 17:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			::I added one more suggestion. Tell me what you think. Your input could resolve a key dispute. -- ] 17:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			:::I think I've finally got a solid resolution for the Karki situation. Any comments? -- ] 17:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Vlad III the Impaler to Vlad III of Wallachia ==
	::::Look, FlavrSavr is now. He says ''if you say ] once more, or if you restore that provocation to your page, you will be blocked''. ] reaches its zenith at mkwiki! --] 00:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
			hi Francis, i asked Bogdan Giusca to move the page ] to Vlad III of Moldavia, in order to be consistent with other articles about Rulers of States, like ], and he told me to ask you, as he is going to a vacation. The page Vlad III of Wallachia already exists, and it says an admin has to do the move, otherwise i would have moved the page. thx ] 20:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Nakhichevan ==
			== About Cheese (drug)==
	Hi, Francis, could you please have a look at the article and help end the recent edit war? The page was protected, and I think we need your take of the situation. ] 10:13, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
			Do we have any better sources for this, it reads like a hoax. - ] ] 20:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			* What... newspaper articles aren't good enough? ] 20:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
			Yep: http://www.dea.gov/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0506/mg0506.html ] 21:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	==About the image==
			== Macedonism ==
	I have no time, I'm on a exam tommorow. After the exam I'll see the copiright informations an will inform you.--] 19:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
			Read ]. Just because it is sourced, does not mean authors agree, even now we know it is a thesis. ] 22:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Deletion ==
			::Agreed as well, arent you watching the talk page as well? ] 23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
	Hi, could you delete:
	*]
	*]
	A user moved my little (original research) research from my user namespace to the article namespace (something he shouldn't have done). After reverting him, the redirects need deleting. Thanks. --] 20:21, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Vlatko ==		== Georgian quote ==
			Francis, I do agree that the quality of the section could be improved with the rewording of some of the sentences. My problem is that I believe it is up to the editors to decide the best version, instead of automatically discarding offensive opinions--since there is no such rule in Wiki policies of NPOV. Thanks for your contributions.--] 08:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	Francis, could you please have a word with Vlatko about the of . It's generally thought of as improper to present provinces of independent countries as though they rightfully belonged to another independent country. In case you're wondering, that anon Vlatko. --] 18:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Greek/Turkish placenames dispute, and Mywayyy ==
	::These articles are related with the ones I added, and the chovinism is expresed by Telex in the statement above. But Francis tell me isn't that part of their history (it seems you had made an order to me here:. And please delete the image cose two of the pictures i Have used are copyrighted :-(.--] 21:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Fran, could you perhaps check out ] and give us your opinion? There's apparently a need for some centralised dispute resolution process over the issue of the inclusion of Greek/Turkish foreign placenames, both in Greek geographical articles like ] and ], and Turkish ones like ] and ]. As you are experienced in setting up things like that (strawpolls and all), your input would be appreciated. In addition, there's the suggestion that Mywayyy ought to be allowed back to participate in such a process. You'll see on Aldux' page that he has promised to behave, and I had previously promised I would advocate a lifting of his block to offer him a chance of return in such a case. Maybe Aldux and you could arrange for an unblocking under some suitable conditions? Thanks, ] ] 11:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::] two af the pictures I had used in order to create this one are copyright, I'll check and for others :-(.--] 21:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
			I do not understand why the Turkish appelations (or rather Greek name that are Turkified) should be included, even as co-equivalent in the opening line, unless there are key historical reasons (in which case the name goes to the historical section). In 'real life' the only place where the Turkified names are included are on some Turkish maps and can be seen as irridentist, but not on maps like that by the Turkish Ministry of Defence. To inlude them can be interpreted as unhelpful in our objectives as wikipedia informers. I stand by the same argument for the Turkish mainland placenames that originally had quite distinct Greek placenames. By historical reasons I mean places like Alexandroupoli, Adana, Izmir... Therefor the most agreeable thing would be to edit out the alternative appelation and included, if strictly necessary, in the historical section. Just for the record, if anyone disagrees, I would be interested in their arguments, which, hopefully, will make extensive references to existing works of scholarship, map making standards and general media representation. ] 12:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::The prodigal son has returned! ] 00:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			:I now notice that Mywayyy, still as {{user|88.218.47.184}}, has actually been continuing to make reverts at the very moment we were talking about unblocking him. I find this rather frustrating and would ask to impress it rather firmly on him that this is not going to be tolerated. ] ] 13:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::::It seems that Funky is on wikipedia just for "Bubling", I knew not about the copyright of the images, admiting that, I showed that a made the mestake without a bad intention, why should i do something like that.--] 15:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			::] is not a step towards solution. i was looking forward for a discussion on this issue, but as long as it is tittled like that and it includes '''only''' greek islands and cities, i am not going to participate, nor i will consider the outcome as valid. Would u consider a rename and expansion of it? --] 14:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::::::You "should do something like that" because you understand English well enough to read the template names. ] 16:23, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	== References ==
			Hello,
			An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: ]. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].
	My goal isn't to irritate, just help in poorly referenced pages. I saw the talk on it, and reverted. :) --] 20:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
			On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --] 13:20, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Nakhichevan again ==
			==Nakhichevan again==
	Hi Francis. Sorry for dragging you into this again, but would you be so kind as to see what’s going on Nakhichevan? I personally consider Fadix’s behavior to be very inadequate, and we need somebody to mediate the dispute. Maybe you could help us to end this argument. Regards, ] 06:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			You may want to check out the Nakhichevan talk page again. -- ] 15:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
	:Hi Francis, I've read your note on Grandmaster talkpage. I beg to disagree, the only things I haven't done is to source those footnotes you filled, because every of those were documented in the talk page and my answer to you alone contained two of them. Had this been a normal article, I would not need to cite more than 2 notable sources. I even proposed a change insteed of targeted using the word 'most affected.' I wonder what I can provide more, and the word as well is not POV. It is stupid for me to assume good faith when Grandmaster report as such a mass scale resettelement of Muslims which he doesn't document and claim he does not have to document anything. ] ] 19:40, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Check out the Nakhichevan page today. I added a revised version of the history. Be sure to respond with your feedback. -- ] 14:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Francis, I have little patience when the person with whom I debate request something which is not available for other subjects covering the period. This should have been an easy matter, even the Ottoman until its fall did not have proper census and only was an accurate uses of record has been used in the Russian Empire in the 19th century with the punching card system. Google is a great tool, but also can become for the worst of Misplaced Pages. We should not use it to advance a position, but use it to confirm something. I have seriously researched in various databases, in fact even without typing the term Armenian, and I was getting results in regard to Armenians. He started a fight if I remember correctly for the migration of Armenians in Erivan, which is included in the Nakhichevan article and is unrelated with the subject, did you see me revert waring and placing this into context by highlining one of the major reasons which was the prior years Armenian immigration for Georgia? I don't know if you have followed the discussion about the etymology of the word Nakhichevan, take a look a the section: ''the name of Nakhichevan was altered many times, changing to: Nakshijahan, Nuhchikhan (the place where Noah landed), Nesheva and etc.'' This of course isen't supported by any reputable publication, had the situation been reversed he would have not wasted the time to add that officially it is recognized that it is etymologically an Armenian word. I am tired to leave things because Grandmaster doesn't want to make any concession in the fact of the obvious. This mediation was to fail, how many mediations have ever succeeded when the matter was between me and Grandmaster? This is politically motivated, and he is under constant belief that if it is highloined that Armenians were those most affected from some twisted logic the legitimity of Nakhichevan autonomous republic will be questioned. ] ] 21:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Check under the "Revised again" section on the Nakhichevan talk page. -- ] 15:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::In Karabakh cases it was a question of semantics, this is a cases of history, haven't I sourced all the points? To resolve an issue both parties should be ready to make concessions, I have changed targeted for 'most affected' Grandmaster never proposed any amendement, it was clear for him that any referrence to the Armenians in particular in regards to Abbas decision was out of question. This in my opinion is the reason why the mediation did not succeed. You do not start a mediation when one party does not want to make amendements neither concessions. I am not saying that I am not to blame, but I won't take any blame for not documenting. Again, I stress to the fact that this is an easy issue. What is reported? Is it a position? Regardless of if Grandmaster agree or not, most reputable sources say this and this position exist. Have I made a big story over the signed declaration of Khojali massacre claiming genocide? No, I stopped interfering on that, and even you admitted it was nonesense, here the cases is documented and Grandmaster just won't listen. ] ] 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::There's a bit of concern regarding a line I added to the Nakhichevan page. It's under my most recent post, please respond. -- ] 19:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	== 4 Ss? ==		== Hey ==
	a fascist nationalsit symbol? What the...??? --] 09:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)		Are you online right now? &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
			:Ah, I needed help with Bonaparte, but another admin already took care of it. Thanks anyways. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	==Macedonism==
			::Ahh, Bonaparte has IP from Italy dude. You don't know? --] 17:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	I made some changes in the article about ], I tried to make the article more neutral, please look at it and tell me what do you think about?--] 15:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::But he was on IRC when I logged in. :p &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Yes yes, you keep inserting "Bulgarian POV" without realizing this is the only POV in existence. The term is еxquisitively used in the political sense, I dare you to point a page where it is used as "symbolizing cultural influece". Look even the use it this way, let alone Republicans and Bulgarians. ] 18:55, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			::::Sounds good! :) &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 17:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	::So Francis, what is totally disputed about the term? ] 19:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	:::Well, totaly diferent is that the term as it uses the name macedonia within it refers to Macedonian (as you want) political influence, and there is no need for a "google site", it refers to something macedonian, and implicating bulgarian POV makes the statements in the artical unrelevant, but if you want so, continue to do it, cose I give up, you have google here to be the smartest, congratulations. (not everithing is written "on" internet).--] 00:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			There has been some pov editing there recently. I haven't read anything from Jensen yet though, so I've been pretty wary of editing it since I don't know enough about what he has said and what emphasis he places on some of the various topics discussed on the page. An anon claiming to be Jensen has left two messages on the talk page (and I think it's actually him, but I could be wrong). If you have read his stuff, could you try and check the page, the recent versions of it and the talk and try to see if it's npov or not? Thanks. <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
	And for you Francis thanx for the answer.--] 00:01,14 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks. <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 22:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
			:Oh, and be sure to check out my new ]! <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 22:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Disagreement at ] ==
	:But Francis I already did it so, as you can see Funky edits the article as it is his own invention and so it "updates it", I sugest copyright ampblems to be puteed on "such articles",
	than we can ask his majesti af all-knowing what shell we re-edit or ad.--] 18:01, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Holy Mother of God! Are you suggesting we put copyright tags on articles, which in your opinion are my original research? ] 16:15, 14 June 2006 (UTC)		Intangible is removing the "political movement" category, saying anarchism is only an ideology. See edit summaries and talk page. <span style="color:Black;">'''The'''</span> ] ] 23:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
			==Cuba photo==
	:::::Hahaha, here is your english level, Funky, the metaphore I used is to show your flexibility, cose you even don't read what one has writen, you just revert.--] 21:09, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			I think the photo looks great; I was planning on doing it myself. I'll make sure there is no trace of me in photos--I thought in that photo I wasn't particularly clear, and unfortunately in a late-night stupor I put my photography credit in the captions. This was before I knew Misplaced Pages's policy (and I agree with it). There are still some out there, I think. Thank you for the message. Could you give me feedback when you have a moment on the first article I created ]. I want to make sure I don't repeat any mistakes in future planned articles ] and ] a 103-year-old historic church that allowed protesters to organize in Tompkins Square Park during the riot, which is now being demolished to make way for condos. Much appreciated! --] 11:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::::Nothing like a good laughter. It just shows you've got a lot of languages courses to pass... ] 19:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			::Hey Francis--No, I've never written anything about the Cuba experience. It's something worth considering. We stayed only with local people (in what they call "casa particulares") instead of hotels (whose money go to the government). I noted not many people disliked Castro, though that could just be a form of ]. ] was as bloody and dictatorial as Castro, just not "Communist" nor anti-American. Castro was an idealist at the start--he brought electricity and education to the countryside; Cuba still has what many consider the finest eye doctors on the planet. But, I judge him harshly because he has ultimately created the exact same society as Batista had: an aristocracy that exists off a tourist class or Communist party connections. They just aren't landed. The US embargo plays a role in this, as well (a sign to me we have learned nothing about our hypocritical foreign policy since 9/11--why China but not Cuba? Answer: Florida). There is a lot of antipathy on the island for the people who left, generally the ones who profitted from the Batista era. Those people will not be welcomed back; that feeling is near-universal. The ] people are a different story. Some of the mansions in Havana rival anything you might see in Palm Beach. --] 18:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Francis, can we do something about this anonynous user claiming he is Vlatkoto. I mean what if someone else starts claiming he is Vlatkoto from another IP? ] 19:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			==CDR==
	:::::::Yes, but what if he changes his ISP? Or someone tries to impersonate him? ] 19:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			I modified the photograph and added it back into the article. Is it ok now? - ] ] 10:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::What's the status of thing btw? ] 20:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks Francis.--] 13:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::::::::Fair enough. Beware of the ]s. ] 23:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Poll on footnotes ==		== Thank you! ==
			{| class="messagebox standard-talk"
	Hi Fran. The time for ] will expire today. You're an admin, so would you care closing it? Please make special reference to two things that I think were quite interesting:
	*My rsp to David Ruben about 6.1: ''"...we will force the hidden refs that don't correspond to a non-hidden ref within the body text to produce an error, so you will not be able to include un-linked refs."''
	*V111P said: ''"There is one other problem that was not mentioned here. Please, read ] and ]!"'' Please read the first (short) link (the second one sends you to a non-existant headline). I find the proposal there very useful.
	Also, where should we post the result of this poll so that it is carried out by developers? ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 22:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks. I'll be around some hours later. (18-19 UTC). ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 15:06, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Here at last (and darn dsl modem fixed!) Shall we move on? ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 19:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::That was it? I would have definitely preferred something near ]! Seriously, where do we post those results for the developers to see them? ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 20:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::Hmmm, should we notify all voters to ''upgrade'' this bug in Bugzilla too? Also, what about the rest of them? You still won't be able to have hidden bibliographic refs and stuff. :-( ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 20:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::I don't know the whereabouts of Bugzilla, so I guess I'm the one to notify the voters. Kindly provide me with the links for the listed bugs. I'll prepare some nice note (which must be also posted below the poll)... ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 21:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	Wait. I think #1 has been misinterpreted. I'm checking. (Boy, you're a fast eater!) ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 21:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Rice? we on a diet or smthng? The bugs are 7. See my comment in http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6271 . ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 22:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	::...and there's a response to that, saying that we need to post a new bug for this. (division of labor -remember?) :-) ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 23:24, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Hope we saved the day there, I didn't wish to piss people off or anything, but darn text is apparently much less friendlier than actual talk. My intentions would be evident, if the guy was able to see my (and your, I presume) face. Now to your q: No, we want to file one according to ]. Read it. It's cool!
	:::PS. After you've read it, read also and . ] <sup><font size="-2">] ] ]</font></sup> 23:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
	== shusha prison ==
	Hey,
	Check out the shusha prison article POV bs keeps extending ... Baku87 needs to be taught a lesson in professionalism and such ..
	Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Fadix"
	== Again... ==
	... the same thing has happened again - please see ] again ;-) --] 10:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
	==]==
	Your intervention on that page left some points in suspense. You removed category:Hungary-related lists, but also :Romania-related lists. In the case of the latter, I have to point out (as I have did on all my replies on the talk page) that its inclusion in cat:Romania-related is perfectly justified - not by the number of Romanians listed (which would be idiotic considering several facts - including that of ethnicity not implying citizenship, therefore "Romanians" not equating "Romania", which is certainly true for Transylvanian Romanians for centuries on a row), but by the fact that Transylvania is part of Romania. Since this grouping was according to region of birth, and was not meant to imply that people on it have Romanian ethnicity or have had Romanian citizenship, it is as justified to indicate that this is related to Romania in the same way as Brttany is related to France and Bavaria to Germany. ] 16:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
	==Latin-Arabic Transliteration==
	Hi, I am intersted in transliteration '''from''' Arabic script to Latin script. I am not a programmer, so I do not understand the technical side of the job. What is your opinion on this? Is it possible? How accurate the results would be? Just let me know your opinion on this matter. Thank you very much. Bye. --] ] 03:00, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	==Kurdistan Workers Party==
	Kurdistan Workers Party (with all names later-on) is an internationally recongnised(by EU, USA, Russia and many other individual countries) TERRORIST organization which took 30.000 lives of Turkish citizens! Stop tagging the name "militant" instead of "terrorist" as if they were fighting for a reasonable cause in reasonable manners.
	--]14:57, 16 June 2006 (EET)
	==Just like E-mail==
	What do you think about this Francis, see . Is this the way enciclopedy articles should be writen? --] 20:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	::It's not part of the article, but a comment. And if Vlatkoto seems so worried about the quality of wikipedia, check out this fine . ] 19:58, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	And here a list of images, that I not intentionaly uploaded on in order to break the copyright policy, cose I did not understood the meaning of the GFDL licence:
	*]
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	::Observe that ], ] and ], as well as a lot of which were already deleted, were <nowiki>{{GFDL-self}}</nowiki>, not just GFDL. A template, which begins with "I, the creator of this work..." ] 19:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::What the hell do you want Fank, is this here your problem, or you are one, "just continue to not make mestakes human"!.--] 22:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::Just making necessary clarifications. ] 20:56, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Hi, Francis - I've made a few tweaks to the Slavs section of ]. Could you check it and tell me if you still think it's neutral (your version certainly wasn't). --] 20:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Thank you ==
	Thank you for a wonderful edit at ] article. --- ] 13:28, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Your FAR nomination ==
	Dear Francis: can you specify the criteria that are not met? This is a requirement. ] 03:48, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
	== khoasly ==
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Khojali
	check it out ... seems like more pov moving in ...
	== ] copyvios ==
	Here's a list of images from TrekEarth.com Vlatkoto has uploaded as {{tl|GFDL-no-disclaimers}}, although all content on TreakEearth is copyrighted. Here's what it says in the :
	<small>Copyright 2006 TrekEarth
	<small>All rights reserved. All materials contained on this site are protected by the copyright laws of the United States of America and recognized nations and states. No portion of these original works shall be reproduced or transmitted in any way without prior, written permission from TrekEarth.
	<small>Photographs from the TrekEarth Gallery section are also protected under United States and international copyright laws and may not be reproduced or transmitted in any way without prior, written permission from the respective photographer.</small>
	===List===
	*]
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	*]
	*]
	*]
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	Hope you'd check them when you come back and get rid of them. '']]]'' 17:19, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Yes, I did uploaded the images, not knowing what GFDL is, sorry.
	::: Well, then would you please be so kind to make yourself familiar with the licensing issues here and list all your copyvios, so they could be deleted? Thanks in advance! '']]]'' 20:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::I realy do not understand where does this concerns you, but thanx. And I hope you as an editor mostly in Bulgaria related articles will add the census data regarding the macedonian numbers in Bulgaria in Bulgarian demographics history article and others relevantly regarding the mentioned subject. That would be nice and correct from your side, and will make a rightfull fighter for the global humanright policies. Thanx in advance.--] 02:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	Fynky just broke the 3RR on ]. Please Block him.--] 22:16, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
	:No he didn't. --] 20:22, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Not quite, plus most of your statement is readded. I removed the obvious bull**** about territorial claims. ] 20:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Well, really pitfull from your side, when I asked you to explain that to me, you "pragmticly reverted mine POV", and later stated it as yours obviously, would had be nice just to be said not to be played. Really smart and mature '''FUNK'''.--] 02:50, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::I usually dont respond to , but thanks. ] 04:11, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Is that really so, You are an direct valndal against macedonians, shame on you.--] 16:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::::I hope I'm not a "valndal" also. --] 14:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::::It's the non-Macedonists that are vandals. ] 14:47, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::And here is the prove, '''Non-Macedonist'''. Correct form your side.--] 17:00, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Please help on ] ==
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			==Anonymous users==
	Posted by ]<sup>]</sup> 01:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC) on behalf of the AID maintenance team.
			Francis, we've had quite a lot of issues with anonymous users of the type 62.162.1__.___ (probably a class B in the Republic) 62.162.19_.___ seems to be particularly active:
	== Nagorno-Karabakh ==
	Hi Francis. I know that you are away, but whenever you get time I would appreciate if you could have a look at Nagorno-Karabakh page. We have a heated debate over the intro again, which I thought was resolved long time ago. Thanks in advance. ] 06:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
	: Hi again. I would appreciate if you participated in the discussions on NK page. I think we need to do something to resolve the dispute with participation of third parties, because I see no end to this dispute. Regards, ] 05:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
			(!!!)
			Can this range be blocked from editing unless from registered accounts? Or maybe only the affected articles be protected from anonymous edits from this range? There is also some evidence that a least part of these belong to ] and/or the indef blocked ] ] 23:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
	== your message on my talk page ==
			::Is it because of technical limitations that the range cannot be blocked? Other considerations? ] 16:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
	Sorry, I'm confused. I can't locate the posting that you refer to. Have I said anything about the Peerage article? ] 07:10, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::The full list will probably be about twice as big, if not more. And this is just from 62.162, there are other Macedonian subnets with similar edits. Should we keep reverting them one at a time whenever they replace "Bulgarian" with "Tatar" or "Macedonian"? ] 21:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
	Ah, now I remember. Thanks. ] 11:09, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
			::::. Thanks for the card-blance. ] 21:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Problem ==
			== ] ==
	Fran, we have an ongoing ] 14:44, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
			Putting the facts together:
	::And it was solved with an indef block. ] 15:43, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
			] 18:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Help ==		==Montag evidence==
	A user ] had been made multiple personal attack against me. I have recently decided to warn him 3-times as suggested at ] so that I can report him eventally at ]. Hence when I had written the warning message on his talk page then he had removed it. What I suppose to do? I am afraid that he will soon archieve the talk section and I will not able to find the warnings. Looking for your advice. --- ] 21:18, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks for the comment. My contribution to the evidence page was actually a cut and paste of my original contribution to the RfA page. I recognize of course that it wasn't in the ideal format for an evidence page, but then I have my doubts as to whether I will be able to find the time and energy to massage it into a more appropriate format.
	==Help==
	Francis can you help me with this image ], I uploaded it again, I got the image from the and did the licence under "coat of arms", but there is a problem I can't understand, please help me, if a made a mestake again can you advice me. Thanx--] 21:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)		Anyhow, I've deleted it for the time being, but if I can't find the time over the next week or two to improve upon it, I'll just have to repost it again as is. So don't be suprised if it turns up again. ] 14:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Nagorno-Karabakh ==
	:Well, I' can't understand again, but I'll :-(, this with the copiright and reproducing I get it, but the program and makeing it as another image is something different, some of the images that are now deleted, I had made as a glass copy with macromedia fireworks an for that I uploaded them as mine works, but cant see how did I broke the copy.... than. Can you explain that to me, please--] 12:52, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Ok, thanx.--] 16:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::It seem s I did it again ;-). Well this time I uploaded this image ] but I did so as you recomended, I do not understand. Please help.--] 19:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Yes it's OK, thanx.--] 19:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Bonaparte ==
	Could you do something about Bonaparte vandalising ] and ] be redirecting them to ] and ]. He's banned, he's not allowed to edit, and he's vandalising. --] 14:35, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
	Hi, could I have your third opinion on an edit conflict at ] please? I'm afraid it's about Deuc. again, and I don't want to do it by way of brute 3RR force. ] ] 15:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Deleting comments from talk ==
	] 10:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
	It is not a comment, it is an insult, please don't continue reverting, it will direct the talk page to totally different dimensions, resulting in unwanted discussions. No one has the right to insult Turkish people by calling "The Father of Turks" a murderer. There's no good-faith in continuously adding an irrelevant an biased quote to the discussion page even several times after somebody took it as an offensive. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
	== FYI ==
	. ] 13:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
	Actually ! ] 13:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
	== "Osiyo" ==
	Well, it's not exactly spam. It's a personal note. I don't really know Tajik, but I think it says "Hey everyone, I'm from Uzbekistan, I .... articles in this site... my email is ...". I think it's an offer to help out, though I'm not sure. But I do know it's not an article about Asia. --] 00:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Somehow, I doubt this person knows English. Unless you know Russian, it probably wouldn't help much to e-mail him/her. --] 13:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Thank you! ==
	Thanks Francis! The african one would be fine (how greedy of me! ])
	BTW, I've noticed that there is not much info about the ]. The northwestern city of ] is missing, and there is "so much" data about the second largest town in the state - ] ]. ] 19:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	:Don't worry, you've aimed ]. Yes, there is not much to write about the village (Funny, I thought it was town, but nevermind). Well, if I find of any place (it will be town, I promise ;-)) that is not much written of, I'll write you. Regards, ] 20:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	==] article==
	Do you think you can take a look at it. Someone referred the article to me, the info looks like it conforms to media reports from that time but is written in a rather sensationalistic manner akin to ] in order to garner sympathy rather than to simply inform and state facts. Some of the information looks inaccurate too, I don't think its completely habitant-less like it claims. Can you attach a tag if you think it violates one thing or another. Thanks.--] 19:54, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	==Userpage edit==
	Thanks. I can't beleive I missed that spelling mistake! Sometimes I don't pay enough attention. Anyway, perhaps I'm too thick, but what is FTB? ] 21:28, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
	:I just made my link section, which includes your page. I also remembered something I wanted to tell you. I was in Seattle during a pro-immigration protest a few months ago. Anyways, I was hanging out with two anarchists I had met up there and as we were leaving, we ran across a sign in Russian that said "No one is illegal" (one of the people with us is really interested in Russian related issues and hence speaks Russian). It was pretty funny. We took it back to the local infoshop where she volunteers, and as far as I know it's hanging up there now, although I was only in Seattle for a few days so I'm not sure. Next time I go back I'll have to check! ] 05:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Unilterateral redirection ==
	I see you moved around a lot of the stuff related to American individualist anarchism, and now I can't find it. Why did you do this without discussing with anyone on the appropriate talk pages? ] 00:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
	:I'm talking about this: If, for whatever reason, someone wanted to revert your unilateral changes, they can't. I can't tell what the original ] article was. Then again, that was kind of the point, wasn't it. ] 01:26, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Small Wikis ==
			In early July you full protected ]. I am trying to help Voice of All with unprotecting pages protected for a long time, and it feels like a month is long enough. I wanted to ask if it was alright to unprotect the page as I'm not quite sure what your summary meant for the protection. ]<sup>]</sup> 19:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
	The Albanian Misplaced Pages was somewhat of an extraordinary case. ] (of whom you may already know) had translated the entire interface and created some articles, however, he said that it wasn't fun for him to add new articles to a practically-empty Misplaced Pages, and so it was a nice-looking but dormant and nearly empty Misplaced Pages for quite some time. I decided to add quite a few country articles, one example is . Whether or not it was my edits that caused the Misplaced Pages to become active shortly thereafter is debatable, however I am certainly the one who ended the trend of inactivity.
			:Alright then, I won't. :) ]<sup>]</sup> 19:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Geographic names ==
	In most other Wikipedias, I worked really only on the Table of Contents: (I am 24.251....), (same IP, this time I really only corrected spellings and uploaded a logo), (same IP, as well as my username), , as well as similar activity on the Romansh, Georgian, Armenian, etc. Wikipedias.
			Hi Francis. Would you mind to have a look at ] (Zangezur) when you come back? Tigran persistently removes Azerbaijani spelling from that article, while insisting that the Armenian transliteration should be included in Nakhichevan. I know there’s a similar dispute here: ], but we need to resolve a dispute with regard to Azeri and Armenian names. If it is OK to include Armenian names to Azerbaijani locations, why it is not OK to do the other way around? Your opinion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. ] 08:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
	The only Misplaced Pages whose interface I translated at all (to which I am willing to admit), with the exception of Gothic, is the Yiddish Misplaced Pages.
			== ]-- ] violating the rules of ] ==
	I also added some basic seed articles to the Sindhi Misplaced Pages before it became active (although it seems to be inactive again now).
			Francis, I was actually going to write to you about this. As one can clearly see from the of the article, I wasn't the one who first removed the Azeri spelling--] did, and rightly so: Syunik has never been part of Azerbaijan, has no Azeri population, and has never been an Azeri autonomy. As clearly seen from Grandmaster's edit summaries (''"Why is this different from NAR? The rules don't say that other language spelling should be provided for automomies only."'' and ''"Rules don't say that Nakhichevan should have Armenian name either. Leave it alone."'' (!) ), he is clearly trying to make a ] in retaliation to the Nakhichevan page, which is unacceptable and is a gross violation of the rules. I ask for your intervetion to stop this if he decides to pursue this.--] 10:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
	There is also the sad story of the Navajo Misplaced Pages, which was the first out of all Wikipedias I ever tried to do anything for really. So far, I'm really the only contributor there. This is probably attributable to low native-language literacy rates among the Navajo (the current official orthography was introduced by the same man who shot most of the Navajos' sheep, which makes elderly people not want to use it, so mostly only the younger people know it), as well as low on-reservation internet access. I imagine though that if the Navajo were as well-connected as the Limburgians, the Navajo Misplaced Pages would be doing pretty well now.
			: I'm simply adding relevant information to the article about Zangezur. The region had an Azeri majority, was under provisional administration of Azerbaijani government until it was transfered to Armenia by the Bolsheviks in 1920. The Azerbaijani name has as much relevance to this article, as the Armenian name to the article about Nakhichevan. This has nothing to do with ], but rather is a part of larger dispute on naming issues. ] 10:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
	When it comes down to it, there is no way to make a definite connection between my activity and the sudden expansion of these Wikipedias by native speakers. However, in most cases (main exception is Amharic), activity started within a couple of months, while these Wikipedias had already existed for sometimes over a year already. --] 13:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
			I am not going to debate the substantive merits of your arguments, which are clearly inaccurate. Trying to impose a "larger policy" on an article (under the cloak of "larger dispute") by adding something to one article, just because it appears on another article (clearly to your dissatisfaction) is the very definition of making a ]. You clearly realized this, which is why you tried to PREEMPTIVELY complain to an administrator before even discussing your changes. --] 04:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
	== RFAR ==
	I have filed an RFAR against ] listing you as an involved party at ]. -- ] 23:24, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
			== Article you might want to help with when you get back ==
	== Greco-Turkish relations ==
			I just created ]. It's pretty short now, but I hope to get it up to snuff soon. You might want to contribute when you get back. And btw, have an awesome time! What are you doing there, fun, family, work, other? ]] 10:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
	Thanks for your action. I've done a bit on the Aegean section, but the recent edit wars seem to have been related more with the Smyrna things. I don't have much to contribute to that. I think it wouldn't be quite fair if I now applied for page protection to protect "my" new version - but if you want to protect against the warring over the Smyrna section, go ahead. ] ] 09:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Hey, I'm also trying to set up a wikiproject for anthropology, since I discovered there isn't one. If you're interested, you can sign up at ] on the list of proposed projects, and on the ]. Thanks. ]] 20:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
	:By the way, speaking of POV-pushing, you might want to help keep an eye on what ] has been doing at ]. Thanks! ] ] 09:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			== FAR of anarcho-capitalism ==
	::{{user|Mywayyy}} is again block-evading through anon IP: {{user|88.218.38.182}} ] ] 10:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Hi, technically, I think you need to unblock the guy first before you extend to a longer block, otherwise the shorter one takes precedence. Or has that changed recently? ] ] 11:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::By the way, what about that other guy, ]? He's put an {unblock} request up and says something that sounds as if he was hoping for an arrangement with you. He's a newbie too and sounds as if he was genuinely willing to mend his ways. Are you going to show mercy? You didn't unblock him yet, did you? ] ] 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Thanks for your trust in me :-) I'll keep an eye on the situation. He seems currently to be caught in an autoblock, could you lift that too? ] ] 15:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::::''10:30, 26 June 2006, FrancisTyers (Talk) blocked #196233 (expires 08:47, 27 June 2006) (Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "SotirisVa". The reason given for SotirisVa's block is: "3rr on Greco-Turkish relations".)''
	::::::If he has a dynamic IP, autoblocks are not a problem (as I discovered on mowiki when my accounts were being blocked for being to similar to those of Bonaparte :p). --] 15:13, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, Fran. You might want to take a peek at the FAR of ], as they are closing the vote. --] 18:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
	] just can't stop it: {{user|88.218.54.203}} again. ] ] 18:14, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
	:And another: {{vandal|88.218.35.125}} ] ] 05:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
	::And another: {{vandal|88.218.47.30}}. Tell me if you want me to make these reports elsewhere. By the way, I think you could let the blocks escalate a bit more from now on. What about a progression: 2 weeks, 1 month, indef? There must be some way of letting the message sink in at last. ] ] 12:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Thanks Francis, I've also responded on the noticeboard. I think you're too kind with the guy. The relevant policy must be ]. It says: ''"Disruption — For dynamic IPs, such blocks should last 24 hours. For static IPs and user names, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for increasing lengths of time."'' If I were you, I'd block for ''really'' long at the next juncture, and let him off only on condition that he subscribes to a zero-revert parole on that particular naming issue. That basically equals an indefinite topic ban. I think he really should not entertain hopes that after all this he should ''ever again'' have any say in Greek-Turkish geographical naming issues, unless he reforms thoroughly. ] ] 13:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
			==Bel.wiki==
	== This Cat Flap lark is ridiculous ==
			Possibly, you could reconsider your opposing the http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages#Belarusian_.28Orthography_Revision_of_1959.29_.2817_support_.2F_14_oppose.29? The possibility of automated showing of Belarusian text in diff. orthographies is, by far, a myth. There are also significant and growing differences in lexics used, pointed out in meta discussion in request, and there exists nothing conceivable to handle them. Finally, there is talk on orthography, but diffs exist in syntax and morphology scopes, too
			:So far a myth, but doesn't mean it couldn't be done. - ] ] 22:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
	I only dropped in the other day for a reasin I have forgotten about!
			:: Even admins of be-wiki say that it's impossible. It's not just an automation. There are no Wiki-projects that could solve this problem. ] 11:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	Silly question, because I would have moved it back if I had known what to do. What did you do to move it back? I could just not see how to revert it. Was it hiding in plain sight?
			::: Be very careful before you state that something is "impossible", perhaps no-one has attempted it yet. - ] ] 11:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	] 12:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			:::: There WAS an attempt but it fails! www.pravapis.tut.by (in Belarusian). That was a program that would do classic <-> official authomatic transmormation. But it DOESN'T WORK:\ Because the only possibility to do this is to have the DB of classic-official pairs of words with all the wordforms... It's impossible. And as an addition the "rules" of "transformation" are alogical because the spelling of classic words bases on the "tradition", not the rules (as in official Belarusian). Very pitty if you plan to vote against the official language of Belarus. That's the language that Belarusian people understand! Abd they don't understand and know that "classic" version. That situation is like if the "en"-wiki would be registered be "adepts" of Old-English and after the "adepts" of Modern English want to register the Wiki in their native language, some "Old-Englians" say: "You have your Wiki. Hey, men, what d'you want?" I think Bel-people have the right to write in their native lang in their native Misplaced Pages and shouldn't learn the "Old-Bel" lang... ] 11:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Alexandroupoli ==
			:::::Your analogy is flawed. Many kinds of English may be written on the en-wiki. I don't see why you think having a database is "impossible". It would surprise me if no-one at all could read the 5,000 or something articles that are written on the Belarusian Misplaced Pages. If you give me some concrete reasons why it is highly impractical I would like to see them. Perhaps you could give me ]s in both of the orthographies? - ] ] 13:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	There has been a lot of going on in the ] artcile. (I did couple of reverts myself, too). It involves one of the users you recently blocked. Can you take a look at it? Oh, there is also a going on about the issue, which started way after the reverting began. Thanks ] 13:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			: Please read answers on your questions at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages#Questions
	== American individualist anarchism ==
			Thanks! ] 08:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Welcome back ==
	Why did you moved "]" to "]"? Google search for first gives results and for second . So the first one is clearly more common use. ] 17:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			Hope you had a good time! ]] 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
	Wow, I'm impressed. :-) ] 17:24, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
			== FTB ==
	== look at more turkish propoganda ==
			It's hard to say. I think the problems are (1) I don't think a literal translation makes sense and (2) there is a lot of regional variation in Spanish for a phrase like that.
	http://en.wikipedia.org/Armenian_Revolution
			I think ''que se joda la frontera'' is the most direct translation.
	Check this out!
			''a la mierda con la frontera'' makes a lot of sense to me too. It's kind of like saying, "the hell with the border". But not polite.
	==Telex==
			Some of the other examples you have:
	Francis I think that ] has missunderstood his role as an free editor on wikipedia with an administrator, the last that he has done, was to revert the ] article to a previous one, why? ...As he's saying he '''reverted unsourced Slav POV''' ... Well at least he could do is to leave the sourced added sentences like that ''throught the period when ] enjoied free expresion prime minister of ] was Georgi Dimitrov (I added to the article that he was of Macedonian descandency) <<I can source that. But not only this time all the time he only reverts and reads not what has been written. Please warn him in the future to be more flexible thanx.--] 21:51, 27 JUne 2006 (UTC)
			* ''chinga la frontera'' (Mexico)
			*: I think ''que se chingue la frontera'' would be better. The way you have it, that's like directly telling someone to fuck the border. Or it could be simply "the border fucks."
			* ''putiar la frontera'' (Colombia)
			*: This is marked as Colombian and I don't know anything about Colombian Spanish. ''putiar'' may be related to the fact that ''puta'' means "whore". I've always known this verb as ''putear'', with an E rather than an I. But anyway, since the verb is in the infinitive form that would be more like "fucking the border".
			* ''me cago en la frontera''
			*: That's literally "I shit on the border".
			* ''Que li fotin a les fronteres''
			*:That's not Spanish. It looks like ]? A "Castilianized" version of this might be ''que le jodan a las fronteras'', "may they fuck the borders"
			I should note that I am not a native speaker. But I think I have a pretty good sense for this.
	:Vlatko, it's a big claim that people in Bulgaria had more freedom of expression under a Stalinist dictatorship than now, when Bulgaria is acceding to the EU. Cite sources, otherwise such talk is nothing more than a POV. --] 12:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
	::Francis/Vlatko, Telex usually meddles into stuff which he is clueless about. He has no idea who rajputs are but wants to have a final word. Such users should be thrown out. ] 12:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::He is following me around that too relentlessly. Just look at this contribs. Regards ] 12:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			&ndash;] 17:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	::::Telex, it is entering, (even a macedonian party can't be registrered in a "democratic land like". Bulgaria was condemned cose of its imperialistics delusions by Strasbourg...)... And Greece is in EU, what should I say abou the rights of the Macedonian people in this EU land? BTW Francis thanx very much for the administrative arbitration.--] 20:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	BTW I have forgot to point ]. Has he a right to play with other's userpages when he is not an administrator or we can just complain for that to administrators?
			How is ''knulla gränsen'' ? - ] ] 15:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
	:Trolling again? See to I was reverting. --] 14:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
			:That would be the literal translation, basically "have sexual intercourse with the border". "Knulla" isn't the versatile verb "fuck" is, and noone would ever say "knulla gränsen" - at least not in my parts of Sweden. ] (] ° ]) 18:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
	:::Even so, I do not know if you have or anyone else has the right to touch other user pages. Francis is there any wikipedia policy regarding this?--] 18:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
			==anarcho-capitalism==
	::::Yes, there is. See ] - btw Francis, I see you've been pushing your pro-FYROM agenda on rowiki as well, with maps etc... --] 17:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
			Why are you removing anarcho-capitalism from the anarchism section? There has been a consensus now for awhile to keep it there. There is afterall a "disputed" label on it, and that should probably not even be there. There are around 20 or 30 sources that say it is anarchism from reputable scholars. Please do not be disruptive. ] 18:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
			:Hey, I know you've been gone for a while, but could you look over the edits of some of the newer users on the anarchism page (and related pages) to see if you think any of them are socks. There have been numerous accusations, including some made by me against Whiskey Rebellion. Anyways, people accused include Whiskey Rebellion, DTC, That's Hot (the person above) and Blockader (accused by DTC and later others as a sock of Aaron). I'm also concerned by Whiskey's edits to Henry David Thoreau. They are using Goldman's quote calling him an anarchist as a source for labelling him an anarchist in the intro. There is discussion on the talk page. I have discussed the possible whiskey sock issue with Bunchofgrapes and Bishonen on their talk pages, but they seed unconvinced. That was a while ago though, and you're more familiar with that area and the possible indef-blocked users they could be. Other talk can be found on the accused socks' talk pages. Thanks. ]] 06:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
			::Aaron posted to ANI. Take a look there. ]] 23:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
			==Narcotics/drugs and the like==
	== Sockpuppets ==
			Hey Francis, glad to see you back from your vacation. I have a question regarding the Sumgait Massacre which directly relates to your knowledge on drugs and my aforementioned tidbit on the existence of it being present during the attacks. While not being given to the rioters per se, one Armenian couple reported that their three year old son was drugged by the mob. In the book that I used, it lists a medical report written by Azerbaijani doctors in the capital of Baku who treated and saved the boy's life. I was hoping you would be able to identify the drug and give me your opinion on it:
			:Name: Neresesyan, Christopher Garnikovich
	Hi, could you help with a serious problem we've been having. The article ] and is being edited (i.e. trolled) by sockpuppets of certain users banned from editing that article in ]. The article is semi-protected now, but he's using all his old sockpuppets (the ones he revert warred on tens of articles with, and is doing so as we speak). Could you please do something. Thanks. --] 12:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Date of Admission: February 26, 1988
			:Date of Discharge: March 13, 1988
			:Clincial Diagnosis: Acute oral poisoning with psychotropic substances
			:Condition upon admission was serious. Stupor was alleviated, cries in response to noxious stimulus. Pupils equally round and reactive to light and accommodation...Child released in satisfactory condition, symptoms of acute poisoning passed. The child was discharged. There were no complications of infection.
	:Now he's wikistalked me to ]. Nice... (no wonder he was banned...) --] 12:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Dept. Head: A. A. Ibragimov
	:And to ]... --] 12:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Attending Physician: A. N. Bagirov
	::Why don't you ban the users involved per the arbitration rulling - they can be blocked for violating the rulling, something which is occuring. --] 12:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)		It may sound vague but perhaps you might be able to deduce what sort of classification of drugs belong to such symptoms. I'd appreciate it, thanks. --] 05:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks, Francis. I do have some of their comments regarding their realization of what had happend to their child:
	::We're talking about (a long line of) sockpuppets. Check the revision history of the article. --] 12:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
			:"Those men had ''yellow medicine'' . They said , 'Kida come here'...The man said 'I'll give you some candy'...And I said that's not candy , its yellow and round.' He said , 'No its candy,' and ate it right up.
			:... How could he take medicine and eat it? He must have known that it was medicine. Maybe its my fault, we often bought the children vitamins from the pharmacy, yellow ones, white ones, Vitamin C, for their appetites, and they got used to taking them. Maybe the boy thought that's what they were, the color was probably the same."
			Not sure how much that tells you but nevertheless, its on the yellow spectrum I suppose if I understand that part correctly.--] 17:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Francis, please see ]. These were the two main subjects of the Arbcom ruling. We don't know which of them is the current Rajput vandal, or whether they were the same person from the beginning, but he is clearly related to them. This has been going on for weeks, but if he now starts following people like Telex around even into non-Rajput articles there's a new level of escalation. The only help is to get every new incarnation indef-blocked as quickly as possible once he starts editing. ] ] 12:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
	:::Next incarnation: {{vandal|Jujinho}}. Some other people have been reverting him on sight, but the guy himself isn't blocked yet. ] ] 14:16, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
	::::We've now been testing a new way of reporting each new incarnation on ] immediately to get them blocked before they can do major damage. Today there were six of them, and most were blocked within half an hour. Would be great if you could help keep an eye on AIV during the hours of the morning, that's when he's mostly active but relatively few admins are around. Thanks! ] ] 16:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
			:Also, you want to come back to that page, we miss your presence ;) --] 17:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
	==Degree==
	Yes, I got there finally :) Thanks for the message. ] 14:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Question ==		== Question ==
	What is ]? --] 21:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)		Could you please check your email? Thanks. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
			== Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict ==
	== More Problems with User:The MAN -- he did more than just vandalize my user page! ==
			Hey, the comment "In the Turkish-Kurdish conflict more than 30.000 civilians have been killed by PKK militants since 1984" is a misinformation and link doesn't say same thing. 30,000 is total casuality (actual is more than 50,000) and most of them killed by Turkish goverment forces. This comment must deleted since it is not even matching with it's referenced news.
	You made my user page blank after ] vandailzed my user page by posting the entire ] article on it. He has been doing more than just that! You suspended him for 3 hours after he posted all those personal insults in the history part of the Beverly High article. All his edits did was revert the article to a old version that had less information and has less references! This person has posted under other names, like ] and now he has another name ] who filed a request for mediation on the Beverly High article, but the request was delisted before I knew about it! The strange thing is, Gunbolt said on the history page of the Beverly High article that if I want to request mediation, I should. But Gunbolt already did just that and it was delisted!
			--] 17:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
	I pointed out that this request was delisted on my user talk page! I also pointed out that I think he doesn't want to believe that some students who go to Beverly Hills High School are wealthy and have connections in the entertainment industry. It is NO secret that there are wealthy people who live in Beverly Hills who have connections in the entertainment industry who have children that go to the high school! This is quite bizarre! Look at all the notable alumni that went to Beverly, listed at the end of the article!
	This person also has vandalized the article many times, deleting the entire article and replacing it with "Karmak is a faggot with no life"
	I believe that this person is too immature to be a wikipedia editor, and he is a vandal! I think he should be restricted, if not blocked completely from editing wikipedia in the future! Misplaced Pages is not a place for vandals! Of course, what you want to do with him is up to you.
	Thank you for helping me in this matter! I really appriciate it! ] 20:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
	After looking at the ] page, I see he has already vandalized the ] article by deleting the entire article and replacing it with something like "your mom's a faggot." He was given a final warning! This guy is trouble! ] 20:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
	After look at the ] he too has already been warned after vandalizing the Beverly Hills High School article! ] 22:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
	== Great job. ==
	{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
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	|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: bottom; height: 1.1em;" | '''{{{topic|An Award}}}'''
	|-
	|style="vertical-align: top; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Hi Francis. I would like to give you this barnstar for doing a great job as a moderator on Armenia-related articles, including the ] article. Please keep up the good work.--] 08:35, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
	|}
	==]==		==]==
			This case is now closed and the result has been published at the link above.
	Hello,
			{{user5|Eternal Equinox}} is placed on ] and personal attack parole for one year.
	An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: ]. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].
			{{user5|Jim62sch}} is cautioned to avoid teasing or taunting sensitive users.
	On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --] 11:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
			For the Arbitration Committee. --] 13:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
	== Userpage design ==
			==Syunik==
	Of course, my dear Francis - anything for a handsome Wikipedian (well, ''nearly'' anything ;) I'll let you know when I'm done, k? Big hug, ] <b><font color="#FF0000">♥</font></b> ] - 23:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, I think that the ] article is in need of mediation. Please assist. -- ] 22:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	:Ok, I know you told me to take my time - but since I was at it, it was easier to get it finished right away. So ]; I hope you like it :) Just as I told you before, have a great trip home, dear Francis, and even better vacation! Big hugs, ] <b><font color="#FF0000">♥</font></b> ] - 19:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Fran, if you find some time, could you give a look at the edits made by a brand new, if promising, Bulgarian editor at the article? The editor has already started radical changes at this and other article; as a very new editor, who uses almost exclusively Slavic sources, Ihave difficulties giving an exact judgement of his work; and also, Macedonian linguistics has never been a field I knew much, while you're an expert. Ciao,--] 22:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
	::Done, sweets - I'm so glad you like it! :) You're too kind to post that note on your page; I usually don't like to sign my own designs... Anyway, I also took the liberty of rearranging your right table, since it looked out of center in Firefox after you moved it - it should be ok to go. Kisses! :) ] <b><font color="#FF0000">♥</font></b> ] - 20:27, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hey Francis, I'm quite new arround here, but anyway, I'd like to know that you have my support for defending (one of) my native language(s)! I know great deal about linguistics (especialy slavic) and if you have any question fell free to ask me, I'd very much like to answer it! PS: do not lose your temper with the Bulgarians, they are as stubborn as we Macedonians are ;-)! ] 13:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Nationalism ==
			==removal==
	You know, I thought that Greeks has matured, and irredentist sentiments have been replaced with modern European thinking. Not the case - check this far-right ultra-nationalist website I just found (especially the Greater Greece map at the bottom of the page) . --] 20:59, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			I've just removed my own statements, is it ok? ]
	:Yeah, the long awaited unification of ], ], ], ], ], ] and ] to the mother ship - defining Hellas just like ] wrote (]). About Serbia, there used to be an article on Misplaced Pages about that ideology, but it was AFDed - see ] (I think I see the unification of ] to Serbia in there somewhere). Nationalist mythology at its best. --] 22:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			I removed them just before his last statements :) I'm just criticizing your statement that "do not remove "other" peoples comments from the talk page". As i wrote above i removed my own but i do not know that it is not necessary to do so in the discussion page.]
	:BTW do you know what I find odd. The region of southern Italy (] or ]) has a population of 17,368,857. The Greek minority of southern Italy (who speak the ] dialect) number c. 20,000 (see the article in question). What do they want it for? It seems that the Megali Idea is even worse than the United Macedonia doctrine. --] 23:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			== AaronS left ==
	::Do you think you could restore that deleted article (in a temporary subpage if needed), because I'm really curious to know what they're saying. I found the AFD by checking the contributions of the user who uploaded the map on our friend ]'s userpage. I'm familiar with the ideology, but I don't know what Misplaced Pages had to say. About the Greeks of Pontus, they have larger numbers - 600,000 (i.e. anyway still a minor minority) according to the Columbia Encyclopedia . I'm pretty sure that that figure includes the what Greeks call the crypto-Christians of Pontus (i.e. Muslim Greek speakers with a Turkish national identity). --] 23:14, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
			Got fed up and finally called it quits. Thought you might like to know. See his talk page if you want to know why. ]] 04:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::That's not an article, it's advertising (it tries to persuade the reader); no wonder it was deleted! Personally, I this that such exclusive and devoted alliances regardless of right or wrong are dangerous, and the fact that the Greek far-right supports it makes me even more suspicious. See how it ]. See these sites criticizing it - you'll have to run them through as they're in Greek. Anyway, it's late over here - good night :) --] 23:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC) (thanks for the undeletion)
	== WPTL ==		==Neo-Tech spams cyberspace==
			Hi Francis, ] seems to be bent on trashing your -- and my -- cleanups to ] and ]. Please assist. Thanks! ] 09:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
			== Dispute tiebreaker? ==
	Thanks for the pointer to the WPTL. Once things settle down a bit around here, I'll definitely join up and help out. I'm ashamed to say that I have, on several occasions, sought an answer to a dumb syntax question (what's a 'probe' again?) on Misplaced Pages, not found an article on it, found the information elsewhere, and then *not* returned to Misplaced Pages to fill in the hole. Now I've a chance to do penance. --] 16:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis, I'm having two silly little disputes at ] and at ]. Seems we need a tie-breaker. Would you like to give us your opinion? Thanks. ] ] 17:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			==Kurdish cities==
	Could you please protect ], because there is an ongoing edit war out there? I have presented loads of sources, and I have been continously reverted. The other side doesn't provide sources, and I'm getting the impression that they conciously lead me into breaking the 3RR rule. You can check out the talk page, as well. --] 18:52, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hello francis, hope you ok. ], ], ], ], ] or ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]. these are the most certain cities in Turkey that Kurds inhabit predominantly. I am sure Antep, Maras, Adana adn kayseri and many more have high population of Kurds but because of statistics it's incorrect for us to label it. Regards. ] 00:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
			:Turkish - Kurdish
	:Yes, and someone just used a sockpuppet to revert all my edits . What do you think my chances are of getting a checkuser? --] 19:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Diyarbakir = Amed
			:Tunceli = Dersim
			:Urfa = Riha
			:Bingol = Cewlik
			:Malatya = Meletî
			:Look at the articles if you can't find them inform me.
			:-] 00:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
			::Hi Francis, there's an article about that on the Kurdish Misplaced Pages, see ]. &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
	Dirty tricks. Do you think you could add a POV ({{tl|POV}}) tag to the article until things are worked out (and maybe correct the spelling errors). It this kind of thing becomes a habit, I will be seeking IP checks. --] 19:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::Well, if you see ], another related article, it seems that it means "province", but then from the ] article it says it means city. I'm not sure! :( &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]</span> 01:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
	:BTW do you think it's within policy if I went around deleting all those BS provocative ] rants? They're all on display on his userpage anyway. --] 20:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			== ] / ] ==
	== Silly disputes and NPA ==
			Hey - the first article just turned up in {{tl|stub}} today. I noticed you created it, but when I went to categorize it, I found the second article. Could you decide which spelling to give precedence to and merge/redirect them? Thanks! ] 02:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
			== Hey ==
	Sorry for bothering you again, but I'm afraid someone needs to have a serious word with ] for once. Could you have a look at the last section of ]? That guy earlier had developed a pattern of calling me "dishonest" or "narrow-minded" in every second edit summary or so, that's why I'm growing a bit thin-skinned against his insinuations against my academic integrity. ] ] 20:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			It's not ]. It's ] (regarding the page that you deleted about Serbian expansionism). While you're interested in the Macedonian question - take a look at . It's Serbian POV - but the best comprehensive research on the ] (by now), and it's as far NPOV as a pro-Serb opinion can get (pro-Serb orientated - but no claims over the Macedonian people's ethnic origin; AFAIC, it goes deep within its controversies with the Greeks and Bulgarians). --] 11:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Hello ==
			== Hey! ==
	Greetings. I am HRE's cousin. I have a sad news to announce (as per his brother's wish) - my dear brother-by-aunt is no more in the world of the living... It pains me enough to write this - so I'm just going to point you to HRE's talk page http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:HolyRomanEmperor#As_per_Your_.28Our.29_brother.27s_request. --] 21:22, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
			It's not ]. It's ] (regarding the page that you deleted about Serbian expansionism). While you're interested in the Macedonian question - take a look at . It's Serbian POV - but the best comprehensive research on the ] (by now), and it's as far NPOV as a pro-Serb opinion can get (pro-Serb orientated - but no claims over the Macedonian people's ethnic origin; AFAIC, it goes deep within its controversies with the Greeks and Bulgarians). --] 12:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Local Area ==
			== Removal ==
	Ahh okay, I live on Main Street. Kinda wierd to find someone living in the same village since its such a small village and a lot of the people tend not to be... on the internet so much.
	I know the person who did the website, i'll speak to him about releasing it under the gfdl when I get a chance. --] 19:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)		Too fast move, Francis. Are you sure you've done the right thing? Deleting the article "Serbian expansionist wars in 1990's"? What was wrong with it? ] 00:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
			I did put parts of the text from "Yugoslav wars" into that article, because it needed some content, for the beginning. <br>
	:I'm at loughborough grammar doing all 3 sciences, just about to start A2's. So looking to go on to do a science degree at uni then... heh. I see you're finishing your linguistics degree. Lot of hard work? Is the dissertation really long? What are you hoping to go on to do?--] 23:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
			Still, I was planning to add more material to the article (matter is large); War in Slovenia (Ten day war), Croatian War of Independence, Bosnian War, Kosovo war themselves alone do not explain the whole picture. Still, the "Yugoslav wars" article (<u>that name isn't good</u>, where is now "no original research" policy?), deals with war on the area of former Yugoslavia, but all these wars weren't the Serbian expansionist wars. <br>
			Or, if you want it that way, than there were also Yugoslav wars in 1940's, as part of WW2. <br>
			Certain user, known for its greterserbianism, complained about "anti-Serb POV" content on the talk page of the speedily deleted article. What did he wanted to say? That abovementioned wars weren't expansionist wars, and that Serbia hasn't started all these wars? <br>
			And you're listening to complaints of such user? BTW, that user besides is being criticised from Croatian, Bosniac and Albanian (Kosovar) users. It's not unusual if he used greaterserbianist sites as reference. You neglect that fact and you react to his complaints and obey to his wishes? <br>
			Speedy deletion? And you've bought it? ] 01:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
			:I'll take that as an offense. Please define, what is "Greaterserbianism"? The abovementioned wars might've been expansionistic - but not just for the Serbian side(s). And no, Serbia hasn't started most of those wars. You forgot that I am criticized also by Serbian and Bulgarian users. Isn't it a little odd that I get only good revisions from Montenegrin, Greek and Macedonian users? Then again, I have received "positive rating" from the very few Albanian users that are right now put on trial (an arbitration) because of alleged trollish POV-pushing on the ] article (Oh, ] and ]! I am only liked by the central Balccanalians! :). And, I mostly do good with '''all''' the administrators of the administrators of the Balkans and users that are of "mixed stock" (like myself). I think that this all tells more about '''you''' that me. :)
	::Ouch! Sounds like a lot of work :| Going to have to do huuuge project on it for your PhD then :P. I'm probably leaning towards chemistry or biology, might even consider doing pharmacology. Not too bothered really since they all seem to end up in careers in research... I'm probably going to apply for Edinburgh, Bristol, Bath, York, Newcastle and one other. Good mix in there I think :) Really looking forward to going to uni, 6th form has been a bit of a drag really. --] 14:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, my apologees for using your talk page as a responce (will try to evade it in future!!!). Best regards. --] 13:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Ahhh i'd hate that! Yeah I really like edinburgh, its a really nice city and I hear a lot of good things about the uni. Its just reaaaly far :( First year at Edinburgh is basically an extension of A levels too so that should be even easier. Will probably stay on to do a masters though unless I get a massive urge to go get a job :P Yeah research seems like something easy enough I could handle doing for quite a while :) --] 21:29, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, here's the material from the English House of Commons from November 1992 , where it has been said ''"...A third, <u>Serbia</u>, has rightly been refused recognition because of its <u>naked aggression against others</u>..."''. (and English diplomacy's been known for its pro-Serb attitudes!). If somebody doubts now about the fact that Serbia's wars in 1990's were expansionistic, let him read that line. Now you have the source. More will come, if you require. Sincerely, ] 22:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Headline text ==
	==
			A Conservative politician? What does that mean? That that is the opinion of a member of some extremist party that wins 2.3% at elections? <br>
	== Headline text ==
			What was the opinion of Margaret Thatcher, Francis? Do you know who Maggie Thatcher is? "Some conservative politician"? How did she defined Serbian aggression on Croatia and BiH? And what she proposed as solution? Do you remember? Or you were still in kindergarten then? <br>
			I leave Macedonian matters to my Macedonian friends, I have enough work with Croatian matters. ] 08:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	==Official language==
			...you know the drill! :-) ] 10:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
			PS: What's up? Kinda lost you...
			== AfD probably of interest to you ==
	:''Moved to ]'' - ] ] 11:07, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, could you please take a look at this if you have a moment: ]. The perspective of a linguist who compiles a list of how to say "Fuck the border" in 69 languages would be very helpful. Cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 03:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Central Asia ==
			== Good luck... ==
	] has finally been created! ] 21:28, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
			...on your dissertation! Hope it goes better than the paper for you know who's language! :-) And welcome back too! To complicate things, I think the Tajik WP should be in all three alphabets. Interesting, I can't believe I actually understood some words, reading a Persian-like language, in a Cyrillic script! Me, August is my favorite month. Sorry it had to end! :-( ] 21:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
	==Is this edit correct==
			:Maybe they should try the Greek alphabet to make them four. Hope you get that distinction too! PhD? I wish I had your patience with education! Didn't even go for masters. My egoistic part wanted it for self-confirmation. Thank God, the materialistic part doesn't regret it! The time not spent there was precious. Literaly. ] 23:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
	and he insulted me directly.--] 23:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
			::So you finished your thesis? Congrats! What was it about? - I'm finally starting the big rewrite and reorganisation of the Greek language articles I'd suggested couple of months ago. Looks like a big heap of work... ] ] 23:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
			] you like the new tables in ] or what? ] 00:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Mywayyy again ==
			Well done Francis Tyers, M.Sc. :-) --] 02:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
	Hi Francis, Mywayyy was blocked for another week yesterday for renewed edit-warring, and is again block-evading immediately. See ] and others. Somebody needs to impress on him that an indef ban is pretty close, I'd say. ] ] 06:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Done it again. {{user|88.218.44.104}}. ] ] 12:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Thank you, I've commented on the noticeboard and prepared a little report page to refer to on future occasions: ]. ] ] 13:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
	==Question (Syracuse)==
	Are you sure you don't want to change your vote to "Support "? Regards, ] 14:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Syracuse ==		== Irish ==
			Hi, I remember you telling me that Irish is currently an official language of the EU (and you cited a source). According to ] though, it becomes official on New Year. So is it, or isn't it official now? --] 12:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
	I tried to clarify what the requested move is. You may want to change your vote there. It is currently under Oppose, but based on your comments, it looks like you support moving Syracuse, Italy to Syracuse. ] ≠ ] 15:14, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
			It is not official yet. See the arrangement I made at: ].--] 14:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Amacos ==
			== Help Mr.Academic ==
	Hi, do you think you could help with a sockpuppet problem we seem to be having. A user I believe is ] has been conducting a sockpuppet edit war with anon IPs. Some affected articles are ], ] and ]. Is this thing allowed, or is the kind of thing people get away with, in which case I should make a sock army as well? If it's the kind of thing winners do, why not? Could you please have a word with him - I don't think that I have a chance of getting a sock check - the last two sock checks I've been involved in have been turned down. --] 11:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			Do you have any access to ? I am sure they can remove the only remaining {fact} tag from our lovely article... ] 12:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
	:About Georgia? Yes I did, and I also saw the example of moving ] to ] - I would oppose such a move (even though the population of Iranian Azarbaijan in relation to that of Azerbaijan (country) is similar to that of Georgia (USA) and Georgia (country)). Anyway - I've changed my "vote". --] 12:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Help Mr.Admin ==
	::Since u are an admin, Francis, i have one question to make: why ] is not treated the same way as ]? The cases are quite similar: usage of sockpuppets and bothering with specific articles with the only aim to push POV... Take a look in the case please... --] 13:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			... :-) BTW, did you check your mail? And, as it seems we have some more ''Macedonians'' around, your opinion on the last comments in that talk will be of value...] 15:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
			Check again tomorrow, sorry! ] 15:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Amacos has not yet been blocked for violating the 3RR, so he's not evading it. He's a smart vandal , and uses sockpuppets from the start, unlike Mywayyy. I think an IP check would be needed if we are to connect all those anons to Amacos. It could be a coincidence that all those anons behave exactly like him and revert to his versions and have similar interests in historical revisionism ;-) Be patient though - if the anon trolling continues, I think we should request an IP check, and it will be granted. --] 14:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Second opinion ==
	::I'll be patient...:). i just sometimes get angry, cause instead of us making some useful edits, we spend our time in reverting anon vandals and POV-pushers... --] 23:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			:'']''
			==Organized labour stubs==
	==Polls==
	Hi Fran, speaking of polls, would you mind give a look to, and express your opinion regarding the polls proposed by Telex, that is ] and ]? Ciao (and thanks!).--] 14:09, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis. Previously you commented on the ] discussion about trade union stubs. That process has been closed and re-started at ]. Cheers.--] 18:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
	:Why did you have to vote, Fran? I was going to ask you to close the polls and perform the moves. Now we'll have to wait for some admin to get to them through WP:RM, in a few months. I wanted to perform a mass rewrite or both of them and now I'll have to wait :-( --] 15:12, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Tajik grammar ==
	::As soon as possible. They've been three day polls and no one's objected. --] 15:40, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			Could you please explain to me the difference between "Tajik grammar" (whatever that may be) and normal Persian grammar, as being used in Iran and Afghanistan?!
	:::What kind of answer do you want. BTW I was bored, so I decided to run a ] check on the websites www.maknews.com lists as , and . Guess what I found: they are all registered to people in ], ]. So much for them being the "official sites" of people in the respective countries, when they are managed by people half a hemisphere away. What stops me starting a website and calling it the official website of the Chinese minority of Ethiopia? --] 15:56, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			You have simply copied certain words from a certain source. Yet, I guess you do not know that what you have written is exactly the same as in Persian proper.
	OK. If you want to check real minority websites which can be traced to people in Greece, check these: three websites of Aromanian associations: , and one website of an Arvanite association: . It's rather sad really - that Macedonian Human Rights Movement International (in Toronto, Canada of course) must be really highly thought of by Macedonian Slavs worldwide, as they create the illusion that their nationalist fantasies have some truth in them; they fill all the bored Macedonian Slavs crawling the web with hope that their nationlist mythology might be true. --] 16:58, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			The only difference is that you simply "translated" the cyrillic letters into latin letters, instead of using the normal latinized transliteration of perso-arabic script.
	== PKK tactics article ==
	Francis, Karl Meier keeps redirecting ] article. I see there's some important information there which enriches Wiki, and I see that you were also involved in the article in the past. Can you please take a look and be a third party to help end edit warring? thanks ] 23:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			"Tajiki cyrillic transliteration" --> ''kitobho''
	== ] ==
			latinized transliteration of Perso-Arabic --> ''kitābhā''
			"Tajik grammar" --> man kitob-ro mekhonam (I read the book)
	There is an ongoing dispute on the talk page about whether it should be called ''caron'' or ''háček''/''hacek''. It has been suggested that professional linguists' advice would be beneficial. Would you please consider participating in the vote? ] 23:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
			Persian proper --> man kitāb-rā mikhānam
	:Francis, you might see Hexagon's recent "spamming" of the Caron poll vote. It seems to me that there is no consensus to move the article to '''Háček''' but if you will look at the article you will see that I have tried to satisfy people by making the typographic use and the linguistic use more clear. ] 13:40, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
			There is absolutely no difference ... the only differences may be certain pronounciations, which is very normal in every language (American pronounciation is sometimes totally different from Australian or Brittish pronounciations).
	==Thanks==
			] 11:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
	Thanks for helping me so much ]
			: The problem is the transliteration you are using. The Persian language (including the Tajiki dialect) use both "o" and "ā". The "o" in Persian is pronounced like the "o" in English proper, for example like the "o" in "tomato". The word "kitāb" (book) does not have such a letter. The "ā" is pronounced like the "a" in "ball" or "dark" - it is different from "o". Basically, you have simply copied from a certain source which is wrong. I am a native Persian-speaker, and I speak the eatsren dialect which is popularly known as "Dari" or "Tajiki" - so you can trust me.
	I am deeply sorry for the sins I have commited here. I hope my reëntry here will be sincerely welcomed. ]]]] 19:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			: Many Tajiks nowdays use an "o" when "translating" from cyricllic script into the latin script, because in the cyricllic script, this "ā" sound is written as an "o". The Perso-Arabic script has its own special letter for this sound: '''<big><big>آ</big></big>'''. The correct transliteration of this letter into latin is "ā" and not "o".
			: ] 12:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
			:: BTW: the transliteration I am using is also used in the ], which is an authroitative source. ] 12:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
			::: Shomā lafse Tājiki-rā yād dārīd? Because if not, then you are not the right person to edit the article ... ] 16:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
			:::: I am not interested in cyrillic script ... I am a native Tajik-speaker from Afghanistan, and I prefectly understand Tajiki persian. However replaces the Persian "ā" sound with an "o" has absolutely no idea of the Persian language. Claiming that "Tajiki grammar" is different from Persian proper - as spoken in Iran, Afghanistan, and other Persian-speaking communities - is totally ignorant. There are bigger differences between Bavarian and the dialects of Meklenburg-Vorpommern than between Tajiki-Persian and Tehrani-Persian ... I'll revert your changes as often as needed, for your changes contradict the authoritative ]. ] 23:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
			::::: Maybe you should read (and listen to) , and see what real experts have to say about this! ] 23:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
	== More socks ==		== Fran ==
			], Re:], I am thinking of adding some evidence of unofficial encouragement by the state. Namely schoolbooks, (] links from books and ), and about governmental publications (]). I am thinking of smthng in addition to this paragraph of the article:
	Hi, could you do something about {{user|216.8.121.1}}. I believe it is blocked {{userblock|Cigor}} - he was blocked for violating the 3RR, so now he's returned as an IP, and is conducting blind reverts on ] and ]. Thanks. --] 19:30, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			{{cquote|Extremist ] ]s of the "]" movement have expressed ] claims to what they refer to as ''"]"'' (in ]),<ref name="Times">Greek Macedonia "not a problem", ''The Times'' (London), ] ]</ref><sup>, </sup><ref name="Patrides">Patrides, Greek Magazine of Toronto, September - October, 1988, p. 3.</ref><sup>, </sup><ref name="Currency">{{cite news |first=Marlise |last=Simons |title=As Republic Flexes, Greeks Tense Up |date=February 3, 1992 |publisher=New York Times |url=http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F10611FC3B580C708CDDAB0894DA494D81}}</ref> ''"]"'' (in ]),<ref name="Bulgaria">{{cite web | last = Lenkova | first = M. | coauthors = Dimitras, P., Papanikolatos, N., Law, C. (eds) | title =Greek Helsinki Monitor: Macedonians of Bulgaria | work = Minorities in Southeast Europe | publisher =Greek Helsinki Monitor, Center for Documentation and Information on Minorities in Europe - Southeast Europe | date = 1999 | url = http://www.greekhelsinki.gr/pdf/cedime-se-bulgaria-macedonians.PDF | format = pdf | accessmonthday= July, 24 | accessyear= 2006}}</ref> ''"]"'' (in ]),<ref name="Albania">{{cite web| url= http://www.florina.org/html/2003/2003_osce_albania.html | title=Rainbow - Vinozhito political party | work=The Macedonian minority in Albania | accessmonthday= July, 22| accessyear= 2006}}</ref> and ''"] and ]"'' (in ]).<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.makedonija.info/info.html|title=Makedonija - General Information|accessmonthday=July, 22|accessyear=2006}}</ref> ], ], ] and ] form the overwhelming majority of the population of each part of the region respectively. These fringe groups have received no official encouragement from the government of the ], especially since 1995 when a constitutional amendment was added stating that there were no territorial claims on neighbouring countries.}}
	:Actually, he reverted twice on ]. This sock thing must be easy enough for anyone to do! Anyway - it's probably a public PC, he used after his own IP got autoblocked. Thanks :-) --] 20:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			...that could continue like:
	He keeps coming! Another anon has just reverted to Cigor's version for a ''third'' time at ]. --] 22:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			{{cquote|There are, however, indications of indirect encouragement through the promotion of the idea that the republic is the only liberated part of the broader region, in schoolbooks <sup>, </sup> and governmental publications.<sup>, </sup>}}
	:Do you think that ] is looking like less of a dab page now? --] 10:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Why protect ] completely? It is heavily edited from anonymous IPs. Also note the version to which the anonymous IPs are reverting, it is quite dated. ] 20:46, 8 July 2006 (UTC)		I'm not going bold before I discuss it. I'd hate to start (another) edit-war, so I am not posting it directly, but this sentence is sourced. Your opinion is of value. ] 20:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
			:I don't think it really adds to the article. Unless you can perhaps contextualise it more. - ] ] 23:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Due to is pro-FYROM agenda and rewarding sockpuppetry. He didn't protect the second affected article though, as that was not in the sock (i.e. the "right") version at the time, even though it had seen more reverts than Macedonism. Francis, you're becoming a bit too obvious ;-) --] 20:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
			::Well, my point is that there is nationalistic endorsement through the name confusion itself. That's ] though, but I am sure that anyone with half a brain can figure it out! See, when your name and falsified history is purposely identical to a broader region, and you advertise to your youth (schoolbooks) and govt publications stuff about "only part being liberated" and sizable minorities, then rightfully your people will think of "lost-fatherlands". Especially when those fatherlands have conveniently matching names! So what it adds, is an explanation to the exact last sentence of ]. Now how am I supposed to contextualise that? Put citations in GFM's quote to justify it? :-) (PS. Goodnight, and see you here tomorrow) ] 23:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Re: FTB ==
			:::So, what do you think? ] 09:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	As for my masters, that depends on whether or not the university where I will choose to earn my Ph.D. requires one. But I have plenty of time to decide on that as I have to work on finishing the remainder of my undergraduate education. I'm glad that my translation was helpful to you. And thanks for the congrats & good luck on my RfA as well as the support vote. It looks like I may not reach a consensus the way things are going now, which isn't a big deal since there's no rush, really. Anyhoot, see ya around Misplaced Pages. --] 21:51, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
			You're right, it sounds quite OR'y. You could say something like:
	== Hogeye evading (again) ==
			<blockquote>
			Schoolbooks and government publications in the Republic show the country as part of an unliberated whole.
			</blockquote>
			If of course the sources back that up. - ] ] 12:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	Ever since anarchism had the semi-protect removed, hogeye started editing with IPs (probably open proxies) again. ] is the one I'm dealing with most right now. Others include ], ] and ], as well as a few IP's that have already been blocked. I suggest semi-protecting anarchism again, and blocking all the socks. Also, keep an eye on ], which is a POV fork created by one of the Hogeye socks a while ago. It currently redirects to ], but hogeye readded their POV fork after I reverted it back to the redirect (calling me an asshole in their edit summary no less). Thanks. ] 01:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
			:That constitutes indirect encouragement by definition. I'm sure that's not ORy. So how about my text above? ] 12:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	==Anarchism in the United States==
			::Sorry, I should have said "Schoolbooks and government publications in the Republic have shown the country as part of an unliberated whole. " - ] ] 12:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	Hey, Francis. Thanks for the heads-up. I agree that the article could use some expanding and balancing. Unfortunately, I'm pretty ignorant of anarchist history and theory; I just have an interest in the subject. I am definitely not qualified to expand any of the articles, since I do not read many anarchist texts or texts about anarchism. If you look more closely, most of my editing is cutting and trimming. ;-) --] 20:24, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::Sure, ok. How about starting the sentence with "However..."? ] 13:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	==Brian Boru==
			== Tajik grammar, FYI ==
	Hey Francis, I removed the cleanup tag on the ] article. Having looked through the edit history, I just wanted to acknowledge the good work you did there. --] 21:59, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
			I try to be polite, yet subtle when posting on debated talk pages, but if I wasn't very clear in my post on ] concerning my position, it is that I'm fine with having two separate articles, and not fine with having an authoritative, I-know-what-I'm-talking-about-and-you-don't attitude (which you don't have :-) . –] 01:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Striking out ==
			:OK, I admit I have a hard time detecting humor and sarcasm in text format. I'm still not sure if you get my drift, so I'll just go right out and say it. I agree with your stance, and I was not calling upon ''you'' to act slightly more cooperative and humble. All of the references that I posted, and the vowel chart were to subtly nudge someone else, not you, to understand that 'o' and 'i' are in fact very common romanizations for Tajik. –] 23:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	#::I didn't see nothing in the guideline about striking out votes on ''straw polls'' if they are from IP users. AfD, RfA etc are for sure different, because they concern the structure of wikipedia community and you should be a part of the community to participate on the decision process, but this is a content dispute and I think that my support is valid as it is supported by an argument. However, the main argument for you is that the straw polls guideline doesn't mention ignoring votes from IP users. ] 09:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Muslim minority ==		== Hey ==
			Please read ] and let me know what you think. --] 15:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
	I think ], because it's official name is "Muslim minority" (Musulmaniki mionotita). If we had an article on the Roman Catholic minority in Athens, then we could call it Catholics in Athens, because that it their official name (en Athine Katholiki). --] 10:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	:BTW do you know if/when ] will be moved? --] 13:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis, could you take a look at the above page. Ultramarine has reinstated the material you removed on that page referring to a US report. I just find that the US material reads like a propaganda piece, is of little worth, is unreliable, obtrusive and detracts from the page. The US report was constructed for such a purpose a few years ago, Ultramarine believes very strongly in its inclusion and has been adding it around various pages for many months, but I believe it is a disruptive element and throws these pages totally off balance. I can't imagine how far an editor would get if they sprayed the US articles with criticisms by the Cuban government.--] 14:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
			=="ro" in ]==
			The previous example was misleading. That "ro" doesn't mean "this" (it doesn't have any equivalent in English). The current example is fine (in terms of explaining the purpose of the '-ro'). If you want to use the previous Persian/Tajiki sentence, "kitob-ro khondam" means "I read the book" (not "this book"). In general, in a Persian/Tajiki sentence, "kitab" (without any determiner) means "the book" and "yak kitob" (or "kitobe") means "a book". ] 19:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
			====
	==and another Poll...==
			Please comment. ] 17:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
			== Our good old friend ==
	Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: ]. Kindly weigh in! ] 21:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hogeye's back and making pov edits on the anarchism template. Can you keep an eye on it? Why isn't he indef blocked yet anyways? ]] 18:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			== Persian lexicon project ==
	]... ] 12:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks for checking out some of my old projects. I wrote up a fairly small machine-readable lexicon (~1300 words) for an undergraduate research grant related to a Persian morphology engine (Persian-PCKimmo), then decided to whip up a searchable and addable website frontend to it. It's all under a Free software license. I'm no lexicographer, as you can tell in the lexicon itself, and I haven't touched it lately. If you want to do anything to the lexicon, and/or the website frontend, by all means. Also, a native speaker living in Finland wrote a larger lexicon (also machine-readable), and he personally told me I'm free to incorporate it into my lexicon under a Free-software license, so that's also something worth checking out (website:, lexicon:). I wouldn't mind working on it some more if there was some interest from other people, hint, hint. But if not, that's fine too.–] 03:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
	:]... ] 21:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
			:I'll check out your links, when I get a round tuit. As for the Riazati thing, I've only referenced it indirectly since I unfortunately haven't been able to get a copy of it. It's also been referenced by some papers associated with the Shiraz project . Maybe someone from them (like Karine Megerdoomian) might have it if you can't get it directly from the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. As far as I know Karine and I are about the only ones actively working on computational Persian morphology. –] 18:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			::The Lexicon Extraction Tool looks good. Do you have a Tajik paradigm file available? –] 19:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
	YAY!!! 3rd AfD in 7 months :D some Greeks really want this article to go :D question is what kind of Greeks want this article gone... ] 12:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Could use your help==
	Ah gots to learn to sign my posts...
			Francis, you said if I ever needed your help, to give you a shout. I need your help: my Floyd Abrams articles have been nominated for deletion. I explain the point behind them on the deletion page, but if you think this is important information I could sure use someone backing me up. I have spent so many countless hours working on it, that if it's deleted I'll have to taken an extended vacation from contributing, because I think it is very important. I'm all for deleting useless and vanity-fuelled articles, but this man is living history, and I took it upon myself to do this (after I read the book he gave me when I went to take his photograph for Misplaced Pages). I am writing a grant-proposal around the project; if it's deleted, well, that would hurt me a lot. Part of the problem is that we sometimes have on WP people who do not know about the subject matter making decisions about it. Hence, the first comment on the deletion page, "Floyd Abrams seems sufficiently notable." To anyone who knows anything about Free Speech, that would be an incredible thing to say.
			http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Floyd_Abrams_and_the_Pentagon_Papers_case
			--] 03:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
	===]===		== Good job ==
	Cool! Article kept! could you aslo add a justification as to why the article was kept? i don't want anybody to say that the article was kept "just because"
			I got an edit conflict when I went to remove that personal info put on the page. You accidentaly took out some of my comments (including ones that were unrelated to the personal info) and so I put the ones that weren't tied to that back in. ]] 18:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
	Thanks a lot, man :) ] 12:03, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Also, watch Donnacha's talk and user pages, since I just removed warning templates placed there by that person. ]] 18:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
			==Internationalisation==
	== British Isles ==
	Could you explain exactly why you have selectively removed posts made on the ] talk page by myself and regarded these as "inflammitory"? If you had cared to read what I actually wrote in detail you would see that I was making perfectly valid points in response to tribal and overly nationalistic comments by another user. I see you seem to have a campaign against nationalism and overly nationalistic comments - if you had read my points in detail, you would discover that they were speaking against a form of overly nationalist comments, in comparison to myself who was speaking in terms of a more global society, promoting multiculturalism, and suggesting ways to improve international relations between 2 neigbouring countries.
			Hi Francis. I did a little work today on the ] page. I hope it’s something like what you had talked about. I’ve been thinking about how to do this and I wanted to run an idea past you.
	I also see that you have removed a "personal attack". If you had read the entire talk page you would have also discovered that this was in reponse to an attack on myself by another user (jtdirl) and others. I do not object to removal of such attacks as debate can become heated at times, but I would much appreciate if you could be more consistent in your approach to removing such comments. In particular I am quite disappointed that false claims are able to be made against me and many others by jtdirl (an admin with a reputation and long history of ignoring civility rules and making personal attacks) and yet these are not removed. Additional personal attacks have been added later and yet are also left intact.
			I really like the “article summary” thing, and if there was support for it, I was thinking that it could actually be a sub-page (i.e. ]) that was transcluded into the main page. That way it would be really easy to access when it came time to translate pages. I would set up a page that kept track of which pages had summaries, and which languages it had been translated into (which could also be sub-pages (]) if that would help).
	Surely wikipedia should encourage open debate rather than censoring individuals comments just bcause in your subjective view you may disagree with them. By doing so you are limiting the effectiveness of such a project by acting as some sort of corrupt member within the inner geek 1337 circles of wikipedia.
	] 01:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			What do you think? I’m not sure about the sub-pages of sub-pages, that might be more complicated than needed, but I think the ] has potential.--] 01:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:I restored my comments as I think I made some very relevant points and don't think they should be censored. I also tried to tone it down slightly, so if you still have any issues could you pease contact me first? ] 01:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			:I agree about the sub-sub-page idea. It's one of those things that would get horribly messy and troublesome.
	==Petar Pop Arsov==
	Hi, could you do something about Sockpuppets in the ] article? ] and ] seem to be registered for the sole purpose of supporting FunkyFly versions or some flavor of it. Also, not one of them provided any reference him being a Bulgarian. There is no discussion in the talk page so I am forced to do 2-3 reverts a day in order to avoid block. I am following the rules but this is absurd...--] 13:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
	:What an irony of fate. I myself have been of being a sockpuppet of established users when I joined. The circle is complete. ] 17:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Think about the "/summary" sub-page idea for a day or two, then I'm probably going to bug you about it again. I like it because it makes the text transportable - and if we end up with a translation page for each language it's simple to keep the actual text of the summaries (or a link to it) on the page.
	==Anarchism in the United States==
	If you think that there should be an article about "Anarchism in the United States" go ahead and create it. "Individualist anarchism in the US" is already has over 40KB, so it doesn’t need expanding. Don’t manipulate with work of your fellow editors and abuse your administrator powers and authority. ] 14:03, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			:A table with proper names against translations sounds like a good straight-forward approach to me. It might be easier in the long run than a shorter list of translated keywords.--] 03:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	Ordinary user can't move a page to an article with existing edit history and with "Anarchism in the United States" you did that. Is this note: "I do not use my admin powers on articles I edit for content" obsolete? ] 16:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			::Well, I'm going to boldly trundle ahead with some of this. I thought I'd set up the ] page, and an {{tl|Article summary}}. Once that's done I'll put up the ] and comments on the talk pages to get people thinking about it. I know that two people don't really make a consensus, so I guess we should take this conversation back to the project page, but I wanted to get things started so there is something concrete to work with - otherwise it's like to get anything decided.
	Your move is obviously contentious and you should undo it, and start a normal procedure for contested page moves. ] 16:39, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			::I don't think the ] is very complete (only 56 countries listed out of +180), I know I didn't add the union pages that I started. I wouldn't mind updating it, I'll put it on my list after starting the summary page.
	You are the only one who has reverted me. ] 16:48, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			::I like your table structure. I hadn't thought about the "native name" issue. We'll be double translating a lot of names won't we... --] 18:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
	Yes, and that shows that you are the only one who revered me. The Ungovernable Force revered Drowner on suspicion that he is a sock-puppet of banned user. Further, that shows that I'm not the only one who thinks that the move of that page is a contentious one. ] 17:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::OK, there's a start. When you have a few minutes take a look at ] and {{tl|Article summary}}. I haven't started the Trade unions/Summary yet - I thought I'd think about things for a day or two. There's an example of the tag working on one of my ] pages. --] 21:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Greco-Turkish War 1919-1922 ==
			== ] ==
	I suggest you to have a look on that article. Certain users (especially ] and others) keep vandalising it by deleting neutral and cited information and replacing it with their POV. As an adminstrator you can do something (propably block him from editing). Thanks ] 14:12, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			I want your opinion in the last section (Wilkinson). Please read and comment. ] 12:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	==]==
	When you unblocked this editor, it looks like you didn't check for autoblocks. I checked just now and there was one which I released. This editor (or anyone on the same IP number) should now be able to continue editing.
			== Hogeye's anarchism trees ==
	In the past few hours, however, I believe the software has been changed, so it's possible that the autoblock problem will not apply in future. But if in doubt, always check ]. --] 17:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hogeye has one of his trees on ]. I started a thread on the talk page and removed it (which he put back in) and I would appreciate your help. Thanks. ]] 04:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Thanks ==
	Enough said. ] 17:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Strike action==
	I understand the concern over partisanship, but in this case we have the unhappy situation of factual evidence (albeit edited) presented in a plausibly partisan publication. There is no dispute that Yugoslavia forecefully interfered in the Greek civil war, both in terms of supplying arms, safe heavens and propaganda. There must be a (time consuming) way to track down Tito's relevant speeches and therelevant Nova Makedonija papers. At least we have the references. ] 14:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			I got it. There needed to be a colon before the <nowiki>{{FULLNAME}}</nowiki> when it was inside the article namespace so it didn't go looking for an actual template to call...--] 09:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			:Hey, no big rush, but I wrote a note to put on the project talk page about the Internationalisation and Summary pages. It has your name in it, so I didn't want to post it without getting you to look at it. ]. Does that sound reasonable?--] 17:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			::That's funny - that's exactly who came to my mind as well. I'll drop him a line.--] 17:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			==ahmadinejad==
	Thanks for the article, but i cannot find the 1945 reference. Anyway, we are still in 1945 and the greek source states it was introduced in 1945, therefor we have concurence. Otherwise, I would be happy to exclude the references to Aegean etc all together. But it would be nicer in the main text. ]
			dude, lighten up. ] 16:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
			==Engaging==
	Ah, I found it.
			I guess it's on. Thanks for not warning me. I seem to have returned the favor. ] 21:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
	As mentioned. We both found 1945. That is what I call concurence. So now we can agree to go into the main text. Well done with your insistence. ] 15:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Issues over copyright of Food Not Bombs logo ==
	As mentioned, perhaps you missed it.
			I would appreciate your feedback at ]. Also see ] for more info. Thanks. ]] 22:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
	Your wrote: Your source is disputed , I'm removing it. - FrancisTyers · 14:50, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			== User notice: temporary 3RR block ==
	DISPUTED? Allow me to kindly suggest that I think we concur. The Greek source gives 1945, and, as I indicated, it concerns the officialisation of the term. The source you so kindly provided, also gives 1945: Some of them even participated in the so-called “First Aegean Macedonian brigade” which, in the beginning of 1945, was active in West Yugoslav Macedonia.... I mean, we are talking 1945. So since, we concur and I utterly respect Francis' concerns, I suggest we include the footnote in the main text. Politis 15:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
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	Awaiting your response thanks. ] 16:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Regarding reversions made on ] ] to ]==
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			|| You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the ]. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.
			|}<!-- Template:3RR5 --> The duration of the is 24 hours. ] 08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)</div>
			Ouch, that was a close call. Even I had no idea that version pre-existed. I was asleep when all of that happened. Now why on earth did FF and you have to bring all this to that point? I guess we have to be really carefull with all previous versions when we engage in this sort of s***. OTOH, I kinda understand FF, as I'm sure that he was aware of that version and had calculated that you'd be unable to revert him after his third one. I hope you and FF will manage to put that behind you. ] 11:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	Greatful if you could respond.
			:One of those reverts is actually an edit . If I were Francis I'd remove that block on my own, it's clearly abused. ] 23:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	'''The date is 1945, not 1944; that is why I said that we both concur. You do not have the book, I presume, hence some of your comments are not quite apposite. The Greek source is just a FOOTNOTE on page 47. It reads, 'Δια του νέου όρου 'Μακεδονία του Αιγαίου' οι Γιουγκοσλαύοι ενοούν την Ελληνικήν Μακεδονίαν'.
	*As I said, WE CONCUR, in other words, both our finding give us '''1945'''. We agree, we both found the same dates.
	*You thought that my sources was 'disputed' and gave an example. But it concured. Thank you. I will be using it.
	*What I gave and you gave was 1945. That is great! ] 16:30, 13 July 2006 (UTC)'''
			== NO Fran, NO, don't please... ==
	Yes, I have that also, it brings us to November 1944. And we still have it as 'official', in 1945. That is, 1945 officially. Gourvernment sources are usually correct when they quote, because the worst that can happen is to be revealed as 'inventing quotes'. Bang goes their credibility. The book gives '''dates, people and places'''. That is, '''dates, people and places''' for anyone wishing to double check. Dates, people and places. I am sure you will eventually be able to distinguish some things. Sorry if I hurt your pride (it happens to all of us) Book gives, date, place and person. ] 17:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			Please take back. :-( You'll make me suffer from endless insomnia! ] 19:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	Just READ for crying out loud before asking things. Dont you ever take notes? All the info was there at the beginning from the piece you edited out! Sorry, but you are behaving like a spoil brat in a playground. ] 17:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			:I certainly don't intend to "leave". :) - ] ] 19:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	You wrote: The book gives "Dates", "Places" and "People" — is it comprehensive? - FrancisTyers · 17:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)..... Now, do you think that the information extracted from the book was comprehensive? I mean, did it give date, place and person and quote? I know Reuters would be happy with such referrences, and I know lecturers marking essays would be happy with such references. And so would you. I conclude that you fail to read and fail to take notes... elementary. ] 17:41, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			::You needn't take that so heavily. It was a close call. You deserve being an admin more than some other admins I've seen that try to hang on their adminship. On a lighter note, I'm glad that you don't intend to leave; especially now with my insomnia... I need someone to talk to every now and then! ] 19:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	== And now for something completely different ==
			:::If I can add my voice to that of Niko, please, please PLEASE don't cease being an admin! The Balkans and the similar problematic areas you cover need an admin that knows what they're speaking about, and you know how few the admins covering the area are, especially as good as you! Please, don't take hasty decisions.--] 20:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	Francis, if you want something relaxing and easy to do on the side, could you have a quick look at ] and do a little requested move for us? Someone did an uncontroversial but cut-n-paste move and we now need an admin to perform the clean move in its stead. ] ] 18:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			I don't know if it's too early, but I'm sure you'll have to put one of those little machines with the precedence numbers they have in banks and supermarkets for this, so I decided to announce it right now: Despite the fact that we've confronted each other often, I'm re-nominating you in the next few days. ] and don't argue with me on this! :-) ] 20:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	Is Francis an administrator? ] 18:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			Well, you're always free to do what you want, but I really don't think you should do this if your only reason was that 3RR. Everyone overlooks things sometimes, and you are a definitely needed to block wolfstar socks on anarchism. Oh well, do what you want, but I personally would prefer that you not do this. Oh, btw, I talked to Keith McHenry today over the phone, who is one of the original founders of Food Not Bombs and created the logo. It's free for anyone to use, I just need to find out how to confirm it here on wiki, since my word probably isn't good enough. ]] 01:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	==Final word==
	I may have been right or wrong about the edits. I may have misjudged or been misjudged. That is human. But, I am afraid I cannot let pass what I perceive as racist bias. That is something completely different. Please think about it. ] 18:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Racist bias because he implied your perspective in looking on the Macedonian issues was inherently related to you being a Greek (naturalised or otherwise)? Come on, Politis, be reasonable. ] ] 19:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Hey, what's going on here? All the place gone crazy suddenly? People desysopping themselves over Macedonia-related sillinesses, of all things? Please do tell me you're not going to go through with this. ] ] 10:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Question ==
			Thanks for your kind words on ], but I'm not here because of that. Even if I occassionally accused you for ]itis, you really really ] this time. Like Niko said, we can keep on renominating you until the things get back to the status quo (fulfilling our part of ] :-) ). ] 12:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	What is Greier saying ]? You speak român, right? --] 21:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Speaking of points, I was in Berlin yesterday, and I certainly would have ] in protest, with or without my Spiderman costume, had I known what was going on here. What else can I do now to get my point across? Oh wait... how about edit-warring on Macedonia until I get myself blocked too? I have half a mind to... ] ] 12:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	:That's not the first time he's called me an ultranationalist . --] 22:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
			::Man, I'll tell you what: We all revert each-other and then report each-other to lose our block virginities. That will make you feel better; won't it? PS: See ] and comment about the map.] 16:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	== My RfA ==
			:::LOL! :D I'll take a look at that now. - ] ] 17:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	<div style="align: center; padding: 1em; border: 3px dashed lavender; background-color: lightcyan;">
	]<font color=midnightblue>Hi, I would like to express my gratitude for your participation at my recent ]. The final vote was <b>68/21/3</b> and resulted in me becoming an admin!
			:::An alternate approach is that Francis proposes both of you for adminship. In this way, you will also be able to take admin advantages in the edit dispute, and your eventual ] will carry more weight. Besides, you will be able to block each other without outsiders' involvement. ] 19:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	For those of you who supported my RfA, I highly appreciate your kind words and your trust in me. For those who opposed - many of you expressed valid concerns regarding my activity here; I will make an effort in addressing them as time goes on while at the same time using my admin tools appropriately. So, ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], etc.! If you need any help, feel free to ].
	<p>
	<small>PS: I took the company car (pictured left) out for a spin, and well... it's not quite ].</small> --] 23:22, 13 July 2006 (UTC)</font></div>
			Francis, revoke the jebeni de-sysop request and get some sleep. Pardon my serbo-croatian. BTW, checkout my userpage if you think the people here are not mad enough to nominate you for adminship once a week. --] 22:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	== AfD Nomination: ] ==
	<div style="padding:5px; background-color:#F1D1EE"> An article that you have been involved in editing, ], has been listed at ]. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. <!-- Template:Adw --></div>
			== ] needs you ==
	==Genetic Research==
			Francis, we have a problem which we can't solve on Transnistria. It is a play-by-play copy of the exact same problem which we had there 6 months ago, and it involves the same main character. You were the only one who helped us solve us, and since then, we had peace for 6 months. See your action here ]. I tried to do the exact same thing, and explain why, but since I am a party to the conflict it was not seen as a constructive edit but was immediately reverted just minutes later; quite predictably. I am therefore asking you to please come back and do a repeat of your 11 March masterstroke. I fear that this is the only way we can bring consensus, just as before, because the same person is involved with the exact same modus operandi. - ] 23:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
	Francis would you be so kind to add to the article regarding ]. I don't like to that by my self, reason: Reverting war with Telex and the '''Funk'''. If you don't want to do this please explain me why.--] 08:53, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			== HTH ==
	::::Hahahahahahah! That article is THE BOMB man! ] 18:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			I mean, I was flabbergasted. I don't think I've made a single template edit other than vandal-fighting... ] 13:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	::::First look at the Republican names: M. Blagoevska, V. Zdravkovska, K. Dimitroski. Second - humanity ] in Sub saharan Africa anyway. So hilarious. ] 18:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			== What's going on? ==
	:We were discussing this the other day in the context of ], also see my talkpage ]. It's basically the same study as the one mentioned here (same author, same method, partly same results), and that study was criticised in rather extreme terms by some of the most prominent human geneticists as being totally unscientific. I'd suggest extreme caution with it. Moreover, if you guys decide to introduce it, make sure it doesn't insinuate to the lay reader something that it doesn't even say. ''If'' those claims are/were true, then the only conclusion we can draw from it, if we read it correctly, is that the Greek population has been remarkably stable over the last 7 millennia and kept itself distinct from other surrounding groups, whereas the present-day Macedonians are more of the typical, general mongrel mixture characteristic of the Mediterranean as a whole. So what? -- ] ] 09:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Do you know that there were two Macedonian Slavs on that team conducting the research. They were from some blood institute in Skopje. --] 10:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			You're an administrator. A 3RR block, even heavier accusations of Macedonism - what has being going on with you lately, Franics??? --] 18:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
	:::Well, interestig I must recognise, but seen this way "How is it posible that the father who created you, geneticaly proven. Is not your father? But the neighbour who is saying so, having no DNK in you is the ''one''? How it posible the gens of the ancient macedonians to be prsentinnovadays macedonians, but they to be not them... the greeks are macedonians without any relation by blood. Think a little. (BTW I'm not competitive to talk on my own about the research, to many names are mentioned with states and institutions...).--] 12:43 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Unprompted advise ==
	::::Vlatko, please understand that it's a myth that that research says that the Ancient Macedonians have a genetic connection to the Macedonian Slavs. If you read it, it doesn't even mention Ancient Macedonians. It's sad really, because all the propaganda sites say it does ;-) --] 10:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis,
	::::::Listen Telex, I'm bored of your pretending beeing "Greek", if you want to be so reallfull than plese start redefinig your history. I have nothing more to say to an amateur like you. And I think that Francis is clear enough with the facts and must stop with this play of your patriotism and hidding facts game. And Francis if you do not want to add this, than mentione it :-), "relatively" you must add it.--] 12:55 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			I have been around for just over a year. We have only ''met'' a few times, so I canot really say I know you well. In any case, I would like to ask you to reconsider your position. If you are thinking that you may have got drawned into edit wars or got far too involved on an issue, why do not you try leaving it aside for a while instead asking to be de-sysoped? Personally I think it makes more sense and you can prove yourself you are level-headed. I believe that wikipedia will still benefit from your presence either as an admin or a normal editor but I do not think there is a reason for wanting to stop being an admin. You have proved yourself in the past. Well, these are my two pences. Have a nice day, ]<sup><small>]</small></sup> 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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	All facts in all articles should be referenced - and interwiki tags definitely don't count as a reference. I am not disputing any of these details at all, but NikoSilver invited (at FAC) anybody who thought a reference was needed anywhere to put the template in. Lets put it this way: in an article about "Macedonian people" I wouldn't demand a reference to the fact they were called Macedonian people. That would be just silly! But this is different because it is an article ''about controversial terminology''. Therefore the very first thing that springs to mind as requiring a reference, is that terminology itself! In this article, the terminology itself is ''not trivial''. I'm not actually disputing the details I put the {{tl|fact}} tag by. "Macedonians (as an ethnic group) refers to the majority of the population of the Republic of Macedonia." actually seemed a perfectly good place to whack in a "citation needed". It's a non-trivial fact that the majority of the Republic of Macedonia's inhabitants are ethnically Macedonian. To say "Albania's population is Albanian" would be trivial, to claim that the majority of Macedonia's population holds that ethnic identity is not. To give you a very good reason it's non-trivial, consider Bosnia-Herzegovina. The majority of that country ''do not'' hold the ethnic/national identity of being "Bosniaks". Can you see my point? ] 13:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
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			:I've been trying to locate the scientific term, but there doesn't seem to be any ]. :-) ] 11:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Jew/Jewish ==
			::And here's what I get for joining the ] campaign: . At least you can't say we aren't prepared to suffer for our convictions. ] ] 14:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
			:::Eh, seriously now, there's not much sense us putting you up for RFA, as long as all you need to do to become an admin again is to just say the word (new account or no new account). So, simple question: how many of us do you want to sign the petition before you say it? ] ] 15:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
			== Changing your username ==
	Hello, <br>
	I saw the changes you made in "]". Is the word "Jew" considered not politically correct? "Jewish people", or "jewish population" seems needlessly complicated, but then again, I'm not a native english speaker (I am jewish, though). ] 20:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi. We have been informed that you might want to change your username (). In order to have your contributions reassigned to your desired new name, you need to post a request at ]. Follow the instructions at the top of the page, and a Bureaucrat will go over your request. Cheers, ] 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
	==Francis, you have asked input about your proposition which I have answered==
			:Yes, currently it is not possible for Bureaucrats to merge edits made from different accounts, or reassign edits made anonymously (that have been assigned to an IP address). We can only rename existing accounts to a new name that is not taken in the database. You appear to have made only a handful of edits from the IP address though, so perhaps a simple note on the IP's talk page identifying it as yours would suffice -- and you can still have your account renamed, so that all the edits assigned to this account will be reassigned to your new username. The only thing you could try to do, although I anticipate it would be difficult to get someone to do it, is try to contact a ] -- Developers have the ability to merge edits and reassign edits from IP addresses by editing the database directly; in fact we used to have a forum for such requests, but the service has been discontinued. ] 15:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
	Why have you deleted something which you request comment on? ] ] 21:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks for the thanks :). But I fail to see why this is important for the lead, the lead is already politicized, do we really need to include every moves and changing of decision of the Soviet Union? Because if you want to include in this timeline all the important events affecting Karabakh there are about a dozen until the NKAO, not to include the incorporation of Lachine in Soviet official maps, to its removal, to the creation of a Kurdish administration to its removal etc. Yes! Those are all relevant things to add in the article, which lack of, I have already criticised, but how those informations are relevant for the introduction of the article I don't see. But anyway, it still is interesting that those points are raised to later be incorporated in the article. ] ] 23:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Francis, it started from 1918 local administration to 1923 and officialised in 1924. It all dependent from where you start and where you stop. ] ] 15:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::Francis, Nagorno Karabakh was delimitated clearly by Abbas permission of the 5 Melikdoms for autonomy. But if you are talking about after WWI, Nagorno-Karabakh was autonomous in 1918 with independence and with a local autority, after the temporary decision to place it under Azeri juridiction, Karabakh still in 1919 did not recognize Azeris government juridiction (read my note page on that). There are various important events from 1918 to 1923, do you all want them? If so, I will include them. ] ] 15:48, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::That's the problem, it never really was until Armenia officially surrendered to the Bolshevics on December. It had up until then an Armenian administration which was not recognizing Bolshevic Azerbaijan's governance. The Bolshevics used Karabakh as hostage to drag Armenia in the conferderation, they'll permit its attachement to Armenia only when Armenia join the confederation(which happened the same day as Armenian officially entered it), but before December, it was autonomous, a self declared state which was not recognizing Azerbaijani autorities rule, neither had the League of Nations recognized at that time. ] ] 16:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::: That's inaccurate, Fadix. Armenians of NK did recognize Azerbaijan's rule, I can site my sources. Actually, I have already done that on NK talk. ] 18:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::That's not true. The reference you have provided is not sourced by Potier and contradicted by official records of that time. Karabakh has refused Azeris autorities from 1919 to current time. They did it in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, and the most recorded in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s to current time. That was the main point of contention, as Karabakh never recognized Azerbaijani government, while Nakhichevan referundum result was respected, Karabakh Referundum results were not, which makes of the decision illegal according to Karabakh and many other sources. e.g . Armenia was forced to accept due to threats of cutting oil supply to the Soviet Union, but Karabakh as far as I am aware of never accepted Azeris rule. ] ] 19:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::: Armenians of Karabakh did recognize the rule of Azerbaijan, and interestingly not only Potier says so, but even such POV source as Libaridian, who strongly condemns Azeris and British for everything that went wrong also acknowledges this fact. I cited this source too. ] 08:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::: Also see Svante Cornell: ''the British who replaced the Ottomans after their withdrawal reaffirmed Karabakh’s belonging to Azerbaijan, by appointing a Muslim governor in Shusha. This led to protests among the local Armenians, who only '''reluctantly accepted Azerbaijani jurisdiction in February of 1920'''''. ] 09:36, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::That's not true, the British decided to take a temporary decision, the League of Nations the equivalent of the UN at that time, did not recognize it. Under international law, since Nagorno Karabakh had its own autorities, which BTW was democratically elected at that time, and that the Russian Empire border was annuled, no decisions or Treaty could have been signed without an arministice first. This is to prevent the annexian after an invasion. Legally speaking, there is no question that Karabakh autority have been dissolved. There was a pending referundum even after the change of move by AzSSr. The transfer was illegal, and Karabakh autority under the juridiction have never recognized Az legitimity.--] ] 14:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::: That's your personal interpretation. I refer to sources. ] 15:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::::Refer to Hague Treaties on the rule of wars (starting I think with the one of 1899). Beside I don't see any interpreation there.--] ] 15:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Francis, given that you need it for the introduction, I think it's fine. Had it been for inside the text, there is no limit in adding dates. ] ] 19:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			::Oh, both names already exist as separate accounts? That would pose a problem for a rename. As I mentioned, we can only rename to a name that is not taken in the database. If you would like to have the edits of one of them reassigned to the other, and being that you control both, you need to post with ''both'' accounts at WP:CHU, requesting that one of them be renamed to something else, in order to free that name in the database. Then it will be possible to rename the other account to that other name. Or you may forgo a rename altogether, if you just prefer to stick to present state of affairs.<br>If you prefer to keep editing with both, it is advisible to disclose one of the accounts as being a legal sockpuppet of the other account, or it may end up blocked for impersonation, or sockpuppetry. Generally, it's best to have only one account, unless you have a need for a second one (see ]). ] 16:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
	== Anarcho-capitalism as featured article ==
			==List of trade unions==
	I have posted the anarcho-capitalism article to undergo a due to my belief that it is not up to the standards of being the best wikipedia has to offer. If you are interested in participating in the process please do. ] 11:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			So the ] is now updated if you still wanted to use it for your translation list. It also has a number of red-link names in it, I don't know if that affects your plans or not. Just as a thought, would using provide a cross-reference for which pages have usable info?--] 01:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			== ] ==
	Sock alert. ] 17:42, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Ok, thanks. ] 17:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::Read my edit comment UMO(english abbrev) = OMO (Maced/BG abbrev). ] 17:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			I noted that you indicated interest in joining this project as a proposed project. I thought you'd like to know that it is now active, and is at the page above. Maybe you'd like to sign on there. As it is active, it's being removed from the list of proposed projects. ] 23:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
	== RE:NK ==
			== Articles by Tantug et al. ==
	Yes, I think we have not missed anything from the early Soviet time. ] 18:55, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			Was that you on #wikipedia just now? This URL has publicly available papers though not the exact one you asked about. http://people.sabanciuniv.edu/oflazer/pubs.html
	== Sockpuppets ==
			] 17:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
			== Virginity huh? ==
	Could you please help with Greier's sockpuppet on ]. He's been trolling it for ages with POV edits like this . There is absolutely no evidence that there are any Vlach associations which ascribe to the Vlachs a non-Greek origin, and he keeps minimizing the numbers. At least 84 Vlach associations located throughout Greece (the membership of the PFCAV who voted for the statute saying so) claim that the Vlachs are Latin-speaking Greeks and he keeps saying it's 2. As he's using an IP sockpuppet he's unanswerable. Please semi-protect the page. That article has become a circus anyway. I reported him yesterday for violating the 3RR (on a different article), and no one has responded yet. --] 19:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			] :-) ] 14:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks :-) Could you also help fix the article (and work though all Greier's {{fact}} templates). Most of them were probably placed out of spite - once anyone raises the question of the Vlachs' Greek self-identification, he goes mad, e.g. where he reverts to an unreferenced version and removes perfectly sourced material as "ultranationalist" just because he doesn't like it. --] 20:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, what do you think of the following quotes from the text:
	He's back - he must be using open proxies! Semi-protection, please... --] 20:21, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			*''In the last hundred years, four Eastern Anatolian groups—Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, and Greeks—have fallen victim to state-sponsored attempts by the Ottoman authorities or their Turkish or Iraqi successors to eradicate them. Because of space limitations, I have concentrated here on the genocidal sequence affecting Armenians and Kurds only, though my approach would also be pertinent to the Pontic Greek and Assyrian cases.''
			*''By ridding themselves of the Armenians, Greeks, or any other group that stood in their way, Turkish nationalists were attempting to prove how they could clarify, purify, and ultimately unify a polity and society so that it could succeed on its own, albeit Western-orientated terms. This, of course, was the ultimate paradox: the CUP committed genocide in order to transform the residual empire into a streamlined, homogeneous nation-state on the European model.''
			Now I can't access that PDF easily now (it's a large file and I'm on a 44 kbit/sec connection at the moment), so if you want to say something to me, you'll have to quote it. I got the extracts above from the article's talkpage. --] 17:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
	== NK ==		== Losing my patience ==
			Francis, i'm losing my patience with the way things are going in Pontian article. Every source we provide is criticsed in any way possible i.e. "non-explicit", using a book review of Midlarsky to say he is "genocide tolerant"!, asking for Mazower to be removed, saying Levene "is ours" etc. This article will get nowhere. Are they even going to attempt to explain how these events unfolded? No because they cant. There simply is not enough research for them to build a credible article from, so the whole article has degenerated into a "this author says genocide, this author dosnt say genocide but maybe means it, and this country says genocide" etc etc Ok, but is anyone going to explain how, who, where and what on earth happened to these Pontians, or are we going to shout genocide all day...
	Let me go through it. I will let you know soon.--] 20:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			Some of the same editors have gone over to the ] article, and asked that i provide sources that Turkish Cypriots can understand Turks from Turkey! What kind of task is this? I told them i am Turkish Cypriot, and i understand, they basically said i have to get a source to prove i understand! Its becoming a farce, it seems no one is interested in creating an article, only in making a nationalist point. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye on the article, at least both sides of the dispute agree we can only really solve this with a third party around. Thanks, --] 17:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
	Ok, as far as events since November 1920 are concerned, yes, I have put everything that I think is important. I have excluded events prior to that (i.e. the British appointing an Azeri warlord over NK on a preliminary basis, Armenians refusing, Azeris attacking, Armenians preliminarily agreeing, Azeris violating the agreement, Armenians revoking the agreement etc.)
	:hehe, it's funny the way you put that (the chronology), anyway, its an accurate description. ] ] 21:19, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			:You have to give an article time to improve. All you seem to care about is the title, and once that's changes, you'll probably ditch the article and not care less what becomes of it (in other words, it seems that you're pushing an agenda, not trying to improve the article). I think the article has significantly improved over today since it was unblocked, and I think a fully detailed account of what happened to the Pontians can be drawn from the reports of the NGOs who have dealt with the topic, namely the International League for the Rights and Liberation of Peoples and the Australian Institute for Holocaust and Genocide Studies. You criticize sources a lot too, you know, criticizing how academic each source etc.
	As far as my satisfaction with the timeline is concerned, I am only happy with those wordings added by me and Fadix. So, whenever GM and me have added an entry for the same date, I am ok only with the one added by me. An example is the July 4 Kavburo decision. GM made it sound like the two decisions (recognizing NK as part of Armenia, and letting the RCP decide the issue) were part of the same decision. What I clarified is that, first Kavburo recognized NK as part of Armenia, then Narimanov complained and made a suggestion, and then Kavburo went along with the suggestion. --] 20:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			:What we're trying to do now, is sort out the title, something which seems to be your top (and only) priority. If you drop the title issue for now, and let everyone deal with the history of the events (and maybe participate yourself a little if you honestly care about the article explaining ''how these events unfolded''). One thing at a time, you address the title issue, and once everyone else does, you complain no one's doing anything to the rest of the article!
	:Francis, I oppose dumping dates on the lead and make of it heavier (at least not this way), the lead already lack of relevant other materials which relate to the region and its history which should be added before having to further poiiticise the issue and make of it a question of border etc. Anyway, I will probably be unavailable Sunday, I'll come back to it Monday. ] ] 05:58, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
			:As for Turkish Cypriot, as I've said, that passage is sourced, and extremely likely. ] is largely incomprehensible to speakers of ''Yunanistan Rumcası''.--] 18:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
	:Check out edit war if you want a laugh ;-) --] 22:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			== No remark #3 here ==
	Don't - I like to see edits like this:
	23:58, 14 July 2006 Tajik (Talk | contribs) ''(rvv of various edits by User:Tajik-afghan)''
	Anyway, I think they've run out of reverts, so they should stop soon - it's not a big revert war. User:Tajik and User:Tajik-afghan revert warring on ] in broken English ;-) --] 22:51, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
			...so I suppose I can ask: Did you receive the e-mails I sent you?] 19:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
	You in London? You need help with statistics:)? I was good in my stat class.--] 00:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Maraba Photo ==
	Yahoo Messenger is most appropriate. I use the others to talk to girls (just kidding).--] 01:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis,
	== NK ==
			I'm trying to work on your comments about the photo but am having trouble eliminating the white glare from the glossy black surface. Would you recomment using sunlight or room light to achieve the effect, and is there anything I can adjust on my digital camera (a Canon Ixus), or post-editing I can do to improve matters? Cheers &mdash; ] 16:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
	Thanks for the note on my talk page. I've been glancing at it, but my energy for that article has, for the moment, been drained. I'll get back into it at some point. --] 01:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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	==The language==
			Hi Francis, I've reached the point where I just can't deal with editor Ultramarine - without blowing a gasket. I have dealt with this editor on a number of other pages leaving what were formerly decent pages now unsatisfactory, unclear, poorly presented and usually with a POV tag on the top. The editor can only seemingly edit through one narrow point of view, provides minimal communication when making large scale edits, has a completely one-sided view of the editing process (will question a source he/she doesn't like to it's minutae whilst willfully adding unsourced original research elsewhere ), refuses to abide by referencing formats, and seems unable to get a perspective on how to ''actually present information''. Thing is, I'm not going anywhere, and will still be editing on wikipedia and that page for the foreseeable future. But I quite simply cannot communicate with this editor. Either I'm wrong on this - and I've been accused of bias from both sides of the Cuban debate whilst making my 2000+ edits on Cuban subjects and - or Ultramarine is wrong. Reading and where I see a familiar pattern - I think it is Ultramarine's approach that is wrong. To avoid things turning nasty, I could badly do with some external input into the page. Because judging by Ultramarine's previous form and lack of communication - a drip-drip edit war could go on for a long time.--] 02:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
			== Opinion needed ==
	I do not understand who gave this user: ] the right to invent and to do clasifications by his own believes, it's a game what he is doing here. He clasified the language spoken in greece (just cose it is on other state teritory, well we know the reason) as a slavic, not as macedonian and "edited" this ]. He has no right to make such things. Is he the allknowing one? At least he could do is to do it this way ...] and to mention the conection. Shell I invent a new language for the albanians in Macedonia as he did to us in Greece. Please rename the article as "Status of Slavic languages in Greece" it would be correct and not implicative different--] 08:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hey, there is a bit of an edit war going on in the external links section of ] and ]. The talk pages of each include the relevant info (although posts keep getting removed, so you may need to look in the history. It seems to me that ] has an axe to grind with ] (which appears to be mutual) and as such is refusing to allow any links to ]. This isn't going anywear, so I thought I'd ask you to take a look. ]] 04:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
	:Yeah, I can imagine it: ]. --] 08:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Thanks==
	:BTW, it's not me who created it. It's Greek state propaganda (just like the Titoist propaganda which renamed the western Bulgarian dialects to "Macedonian language"). The 1951 census recorded 41,017 speakers of Slavic, not "Macedonian". The ABECEDAR was written in a language officially referred to as Slavic, etc. --] 08:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks for returning to the Healthcare article. Eventually some rational editing should surface - I really need to get other editors involved - and the article can be reduced back to the key concise points and properly presented without this bloated rubbish. I'd also be grateful if you could take a look at an article I've been writing practically alone : ] and give me any thoughts or tips. The fact that I have had to write it almost alone for months says something about the demographics of wikipedia - such an important subject is almost ignored. I have a couple more paragraphs to write and I could really do with some pictures but it'd be good to get this to featured article status for many positive reasons. --] 09:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
			== Boo ==
	::Well, I must recognise that most of the time we are lead by our self created nationalism and we do dispute things with unreal adition of facts. BUT It is realy stupid and offending that what you have done with the change of the name of the macedonian language in greese. At leats you can remove that from the template of Slavic languages and do a correction link.--] 08:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Heya, I decided to come back. :) I'll be just looking around, doing minor stuff, and try not to get dragged into pointless debates on stupid details. How've you been? Anything interesting happen on wikipedia these past few months? Just drop me a message if there's anything I should know, I'll probably get on IRC sometime too. BTW, if by the time you're reading this, my user page still hasn't been deleted, could you do it? Thanks :) -- ]''']''' 00:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::Vlatko, the people themselves still call the language Slavic. Only the ] party and their 2,995 voters call it "Macedonian". --] 09:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Terminal macedonology ==
	::::I totaly agree with you, and your sources, propaganda and state. How could you? You are here to be taken seriously?--] 09:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Kindly check the talk there (]) ] 21:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Yes, I am here to be taken seriously. Misplaced Pages is not for the promotion of Macedonian Slav national narratives within Greece. Northern Greece is inhabited by ethnic ], some of whom speak in addition to Greek, a language known as ] (they don't even consider it a Slavic language according to the Helsinki Monitor, but a mixture of Greek, Bulgarian, Albanian, Vlach and Turkish). In fact, a finding in the Bletsas trial was that there are no Slavic speaking communities (or any minority language communities at all for that matter). They found that minority languages are spoken by isolated individuals, and I would suspect largely in old people's homes - most of whose only concern in the world is what happened in the last episodes of the soap opera Λάμψη and Καλημέρα Ζωή (the Greek equivalents of ]). The Macedonian Slav nationalist ideal of an Aegean Macedonia inhabited primarily by an underground community of "Macedonians" who pretend to be Greeks in the presence of the "Turkish Christian refugees" is confined, I'm afraid, to the Rainbow Party and it's 2,995 voters. Aegean Macedonia and it's inhabitants belong to the enemy now, get used to it. If you don't believe me, come and see for yourself. --] 09:32, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			==CHRISTIANITY and Slavery==
	:::::Anyway, the more neutral users thought that a seperate article for the Greek-identifying Slavic speaking minority of Greece which is claimed by both Bulgarians and Macedonian Slavs is a good idea. --] 09:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Thanks i think it needs to be developed, I am trying to add the race dynamics thing to the critic of Christianity thing because they have written so many pages, but forgotten to discuss race-domination in religion--Halaqah 14:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
			== Hello Francis ==
	::::::::Well, this is the reason for you to invent a new Slavic language, congratulations you told me everithing. And I'm not your enemy, whith what did my words and toughts atacked you, where is the negative sence of what I believe should be done... aha, here it is, some stupid human rights recognition that are designeted to all of as by birth..realy how can i be so bad hhehehehuuuhhuhuuheeehehe :-). Some things are not Ideal or propagandistic, they are natural.--] 10:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hello Francis,
	:::::::::For the last time, it's not ''my'' invention. It's ] invention. you say that it bellongs to Macedonian . Well, the Bulgarians think it belongs to Bulgarian, and the Serbs think it belongs to Serbian (although that last one has very little backing by international linguists). --] 10:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			I hope everything you're ok. I was checking your qualifications and what's interesting is that from software engineering you have jump to a different subject, linguistics, to do your master's. My question is—can you do such jump from a science or engineering barchelor to a humanities master's—I hope it's not too personal. take care. ] 01:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
	:::And remove that from the template, as that is not the right place for. This template disambiguates only the slavic languages that are different languages, not personal points of view, put a link in some article not in this template, understand that that is not the right place for this artice.--] 10:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hello again,
	::::Francis it. When Montenegrin, Serbo-Croatian and other pseudo-languages are removed, this can be removed also. In fact, I'm thinking of adding an infobox just like the ones at ] and ]. if self-identification is the key, then it should be applied in this case also; the people declared themselves speakers of ''Slavic'', not "Macedonian". --] 10:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Thank you very much for the information. I am interested in history, literature and language so it has to be one of those. I've did a little research and found MA in Turkish (combination of literature and language) in ] — spoke to the teacher and she said when you finish your barchelor come and see me. But I'm not sure if I would like to do Turkish for my master's. I got some time to decide the course but I'm sure I want to move from engineering/science to humanities. So how is your studies going? do you find linguistics interesting? ] 10:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
	::::Honestly, I've always thought Serbian and Croatian were Pseudo-languages, while Serbo-Croat was the true stuff ;-) (at least in my university it's the latter that was, and still is, teached). And I'm not so sure that self-identification is enough for languages; after all, a language is not an ethnicity.--] 11:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			That's very impressive of you—a PhD is quite difficult. I use MSN for instant messaging—just pass on your email or tell me to write mine. ] 23:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
	:That is contrary of the proud Greek doctrine ;-) ] 11:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Is says: "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." for you :) you must be offended :P ] 12:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	::It is also contrary to the proud Macedonistic doctrine, which makes the western Bulgarian dialects into a "Macedonian language", and the western Bulgarians into "Macedonians". --] 11:17, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Need your view here ==
	Telex, you know that there are many sources which say that Macedonians are not Bulgarians, which makes your upper sentence untrue and simply your POV. ] 11:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			]. Users disputing the title, saying its not occupation, saying you cant occupy your 'own'. Saying cant prove Izmir was the Ottomans Empire etc etc. I've told them clear Francis, if they cant provide any sane reason, then i will remove the tag in two days. I'm not going to allow these articles to come to a standstill on the back of these ridicolous arguments. --] 13:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
	:"Many sources" is a ]. Which sources? --] 11:22, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	I suppose you've red ] (now is with an adding from FunkyFly) for instance. ] 11:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			I'd removed the PROD. All items in ] were created to move the crap away from main articles.
	:You mean there were Slavic speaking people in Macedonia in the 19th century trying to revive the ]. Gee, I guess you're right ;-) --] 11:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			If deleted, the games and TV shows and Homer Simpson references will sneak into the article again and the cycle will repeat itself. ] 22:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
	Pointless talk. You didn't read it. I wonder which story you shal initiate next - Cinderella maybe? ] 11:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	:The ]. Bomac, I'm afraid there is no evidence of a Macedonian people or language. There were just ''proposals'', e.g. Misirkov and Sandanski. It was seen as a future enterprise - the missing nationality. No one doubts that today's ethnic Macedonians are not Bulgarians (if they don't want to be, they are not). Their historians however, have striven to rewrite history from ancient times to make room for the Macedonian ethnicity. --] 11:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.
			Guy Montag is banned from articles which relate to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Guy Montag's Probation under the terms of ] is extended to include one year from the final date of this decision. KimvdLinde and other administrators are encouraged to effectively enforce Guy Montag's Probation in appropriate circumstances. Should Guy Montag violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be blocked for an appropriate period. All blocks are to be logged at ].
	Aha. So, according to you, the circumstances didn't influenced the "non-exstence" of Macedonians? ] 11:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, ] 00:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
	BTW made me laugh. It says it is in ''Macedonian, Greek, Vlach and Albanian''. What a pity the document says Bulgarian, not Macedonian. Whoever wrote that website probably thought the readers didn't know Greek. --] 11:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Request for comment and help ==
	:That's a dictionary of four languages from Daniil from Moskopole. The speech under the "Vulgarika" graphe is Ohrid dialect, which exists today and is a dialect of the Macedonian codificated literary language. ] 11:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Francis, could you please comment on ] regarding the recent disruptions. I need a neutral opinion whether my characterization of ]'s edits as racist and disruptive is correct or not.--] 18:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
	::We should upload that image. It's public domain, we could use the {{tl|PD-old}} tag. You can tell from the welcome note at my talk page and my old "I'm a cosmopolitan userpage" that I like messages to be translated into various languages and displayed side by side. --] 11:50, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Muchas gracias ==
	WOW, there is a long tradition of cosmopolitans who like messages to be translated into various languages... ;-) ] 11:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			]
	==NK==
	Thank you for the shorter propositions.--] ] 16:04, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hey Francis, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent ]. It succeeded, and I am '''very''' grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, ''please don't hesitate to ask''. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 04:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
	== Hi Fran! ==
			:BTW, thanks for that great nom as well. ;-) &mdash;<span style="font-family:Palatino Linotype">]]</span> 04:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
	Asteraki and his sockpuppets attack again at ]. I kindley ask your admin intervention. ] 17:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Antrarctic photos ==
	:I have one more revert but I choose not to burn it out for today in an edit war with an admin. ] 17:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, Francis.
	Don't worry Funky! Telex is always here when you need it. ] 17:51, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			As you know the Soviet-PD tag is deleted on Commons and En-wiki and the images tagged by this license are about to be deleted very soon. I was trying to reupload a few of your Antarctic images on en-wiki using fairuse licenses but the image people are asking where the images came from and I do not know what to answer. Please check my talkpage fro the Orphanbot notices related to your images and give me a hand. Also you might want to transfer from Commons some other of your images. ] 07:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
	::Yes, my other 20 sockpuppets are ready to see some action. ] 19:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks, for the reference!. Currently the image people have problems with ] and ] that does not appear to be there ] 13:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
	== Pronouns ==
	Now its OK. ] 18:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)		::I understand your feelings ( and share them too). ] 13:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
	== Clarification ==		== nationalism ==
			i inform you about nationalistic and flamer vandalism in ] article .--] 14:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
	I responded to your post at the Admin noticeboard with a request for clarification. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Britannica ==		== ] ==
			Hi Francis, the article has been tagged and nominated for deletion. I dont believe it meets the criteria for deletion, as an admin you probably know better. Could you please leave your view on ]. Thanks, --] 18:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
	I was at the library reading Britannica, and it restored my faith in humanity. In their article on ], they place the number of the "Asian Greek Refugees" (as ] calls them on his userpage) at 640,000 in return for 375,000 refugees to Turkey. If ethnic Greeks actually form the majority of the population of Aegean Macedonia (which is confirmed by Britannica in their article on ]), those refugees must have bred like rabbits in order to form the majority of a region with a population of 2,625,681 today! Also, in their article on ], they list all ethnic groups inhabiting the region. They say that Greeks form the majority and are followed by approximately 20,000 Muslims (who are mostly Pomaks), Vlachs, and there are small enclaves of "Gypsies" and Albanians. I find it most interesting that they do not mention "Macedonians" or Bulgarians, yet they do say that "Macedonian" and Bulgarian are languages spoken in Greece in the respective articles (presumably referring to ]). Britannica has the reassuring air of neutrality, and always finds the most tactful and neutral ways of saying things... --] 16:33, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
			== again nationalism ==
	==NK==
			I inform you about again nationalistic and flamer vandalism in ] article and message in my discussion : will you block this vandal?--] 13:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
	Francis, Grandmaster isen't making any concession he is turning this as if he is doing it. This proposition does not use the term granted for both, from one side its says that it was granted to Armenia and then it says that it was granted an autonomy inside Azerbaijan which is different than saying that it was granted to Azerbaijan with an autonomy, because the verb is not used the same way for both. So, I won't sayd that Grandmaster is respecting the restrictions you have imposed, he is twisting the text to give the illusion that he is doing it. ] ] 19:31, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
	:I'm OK, but only as an alternative, since it is longer in size than the others which I better like. ] ] 19:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
	::DING-DANG! It's the bell thingy from your e-mail application. I sent you a clarifying one just now. ] 21:09, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
			== ] ==
	==Question Re: Mediation Cabal==
			:''Moved to ]''
			== of Macedonism in wikiquote ==
	Hello, Francis. I'd like to take a break from wasting time on ] and do something a bit more productive with the encyclopaedia. How does one get involved with the Mediation Cabal? Do I just start helping out, or is there a more formal process? Thanks in advance. --] 14:28, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Cool, thanks. --] 14:48, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			Since you moved the quotes from the main article to Wikiquote, maybe you should get involved. ] 17:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
	==Arbitration==
	You presence is requested at the Arbitration Re: Removal of humus sapiens admin privilages due to administrative abuse.
	Please click ]
	Israel Article--] 17:01, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			:BTW was funny ;-) we also have that proverb in Greek: όταν λείπει η γάτα χορεύουν τα ποντίκια ().--] 19:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
	==Do you really want it in order of preference?==
			::Hope you're having a good time over in RoM? ] ] 21:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
	I didn't placed them on preference order. It is easy to do that when you only have two or three choices, but given that I included all except two, it is hard. If it will help in the decision what I think is better, I'll do it. Just tell. ] ] 17:06, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			:::Hope you check your e-mail while you're still there. ] 22:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
			::::Of course he will - how else will he receive the confirmation that Mr Crevenovski transfered his paycheck into his Swiss bank account?--] 00:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
	==Thanks==		== You agenda... ==
	For letting me know. Considering the situation, I was thinking it best that I not even respond: there is simply no case there, and that editor has already been notified about incivility towards me and others. I've been civil and tried to comply with some unreasonable requests he has made of me, so I'm unclear why he keeps after me. Am I expected to respond, or do you think it's best left alone? It just seems to me that a response from me could serve no purpose except to escalate the issue, but on the other hand, I don't know policy in these cases, and whether a response from me, setting the record straight, is expected. Thanks for letting me know, thanks for the kind words, and any advice you have is welcome :-) ] 19:13, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			What are you going to FYROM for? To receive your paycheck, maybe? ] must be informed about your activity, Mr "Francis Tyers" (if that is indeed your real name). Who's financing you, what are your goals (I think both of those are pretty obvious)? :p --] 00:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
	:I'll do that: bad timing, as I'm dashing out to a Dr.'s app't. ] 19:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			==] and ]==
	::No problem at all ! Thanks again for letting me know, and for the kind words. Misplaced Pages is quite a curious place ! I'll check in later tonight to see if a further response from me is needed. ] 20:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			Could you please take a look at these pages and the corresponding talk pages? ] 03:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
			==A belated thank you==
	I probably shouldn't have responded there yesterday at all, considering I was trying to get out the door to an app't. Now that I've read the instructions on that page, I see that he shouldn't have posted his dispute there anyway, and that he should have taken it through different channels. Another editor is asking if we can archive ], but since Zeraeph has pointed to it as a reference for his "abuse" claim, I'm kind of stuck. It seems to me (?) that, considering the level of personal attack, the whole thing should be struck from ANI (?), taken to the proper channels, and we should go ahead and archive the talk page in the meantime. Not sure what to do. He still hasn't attempted to resolve this directly with me, in spite of my invitation. Any advice? ] 16:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hey, Francis, TS has a star now, and I wanted to thank you for all the help, and specifically for those nice, clean External links. ] The also seems to have subsided. I hope you're well, regards, ] (]) 16:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks, again. He opened a MedCab, so I copied it all to there. Thanks for the help! ] 17:16, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			== Armenia ==
	== Misconceptions about Shia ==
			Looks like we are comming close to a compromise. You can check in on the issue here.
			http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Walton_monarchist89#Straw_poll-Armenia
			thanks, --] 16:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
	Hi FrancisTyers,
			:The reason I conducted the strawpoll on my talk page was because, as ]'s official advocate, I am trying to negotiate a compromise on this controversial issue. However, if you wish, I am quite happy for you to copy the strawpoll to the ] page, so as to throw it open to those not directly involved in this dispute. ] 12:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
	The new title "Shia and Islam" just doesn't sound good and is not representative of what is covered there either. It is like saying : "Babtist and Christianity". What was the problem with "misconceptions about shia"? --] 22:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
			::Thanks for moving the strawpoll. I have now announced the closing date and time. ] 14:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
	: I thought for awhile for a good title for the article. "Negative consideration in views about Shia's."... The new title "Shia and Islam" does not represent what the authurs of the article had in mind. Similar to the historical biased view of west about Islam (as scholar such as ], ], or ](if one call she an scholar (not a writer) of course), and philosophers such as ] point out), there has been a historical bias toward Shias. Misplaced Pages should somewhere cover this if not in a separate article. Regards, --] 00:29, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Thank you for your support!==
	:: Thanks FrancisTyers, I have not contributed much to that article. ] is a good suggestion. I'm just afraid that some persian editors who are sleeping now would not like it. ] seems fine to me though. --] 01:30, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			{| style="border:2px solid gray; background:#FADDA8; padding:5px;" align=center
			|]
			<small>23:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)</small>
			|style="text-align:center;"|
			If I'm a bit pale in the face now,<br />
			it's because of the amazing support <br />
			during my recent ]<br />
			and because of all those new shiny buttons.<br />
			And if in the '''<span class="plainlinks"></span>'''<br />
	::: Thanks FrancisTyers. --] 01:44, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			my use of them should not always be ''']''' <br />
			please don't hesitate to shout ''']''' me<br />
			any time, sunset, noon or ''']'''.<br />
			|}
			==Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Yerzhan Ashykbayev==
	::::Shameful, but I, myself, have done it once :P, cheers --] 01:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi, if you have the time I would like your input on ] the article on ], the Foreign Ministry spokesman of the ]. Thanks, ] 18:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks, ] 20:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
			== Anthropology project ==
	==AS==
			I have communicated with ] regarding the proposed anthropology project which you indicated an interest in, and have gotten the OK from him to move the project into wiki-space and make it active. He indicated that he is busy in school right now, but will be as active as he can be given that. The project page as it now exists is only a minimum page, and could use the input of interested parties such as yourself. Personally, I did noticably poorly in the one cultural anthropology class I took in college, so I'm bowing out of this one, but wish you and the other members of the project the best of luck with it. Thank you. ] 21:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
	Francis, with the very greatest respect, though I have noted your opinion, to the best of my knowledge I still have the right to make my own decision on how and where to seek resolution for this problem. I must stress to you that there is nothing anybody could do or say to make me doubt my impression of the situation, as long as there was I would never have mentioned it. I am almost 50, with a lot of experience of life, people and abuse, I have no doubts about what I have seen, as no doubt, time will tell.
			== NK stub ==
	I did initially approach ] but seeing the responses from ] I realise that was a mistake, I personally find it impossible to resolve anything when the only reaction of the other party is to manipulate and misrepresent the facts of what has happened. That solves nothing and there is nothing to base negotiation or mediation upon.
			Hi Francis. I nominated ] for deletion, as we have such templates only for the internationally recognized states. Could you please have a look at ]. Thank you. Regards, ] 13:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	Hypothetically, I would also request that you recuse yourself from any attempt at mediation, not because I believe there is anything wrong with you, I don't, nor because I do not believe you do your best to approach mediation as impartially as possibly, because I do, but simply because some people are more susceptible to certain types of manipiulative behvior than others and in this instance I see reason to suspect you fall into that category.
			== SFRJ ==
	So, for the present I shall say whatever needs to be said ], though for the moment, as long as ] makes no further attempt to misrepresent the facts of what she has done, and knows that there are now a few admins keeping an eye on the situation, there is, I hope, effectively, no problem. --] 18:23, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			hey Francis :) Sorry, I misunderstood the purpose of the flags, I thought that we were showing all of the country flags that existed after the war, and not just after 1992. My suggestion would be to add another column of flags, where the country flags that changed after 1995 and 2006, but were previously part of SFRY, should also be listed. What do you think? :) --] 23:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
	:It seems to me I already got the best possible response from ], because SandyGeorgia has stopped most of her toxic behaviors, very probably for the simple reason that, if she doesn't, she will prove me right. It isn't perfect, it's the right response for the wrong reason, and it won't last, but it is the best anyone can get from somebody like that.
			:Thank you for the information, I have asked the people participating in the WikiProject for help. :) --] 23:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
			==Armenia strawpoll==
	:You strike me as one of the good guys...but, believe it or not, so am I :o) --] 21:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
			''NB'' '''] has now closed''', it being Friday 10th November and about 10.30am where I live. The numbers are as follows:
			*'''Support''' 6 (although ]'s existence has been disputed by ].
			*'''Neutral''' 1.
			*'''Oppose''' 10.
			As such, no mandate has appeared for making the requested changes to the article. As previously advertised, Caligvla and I are taking a break from this dispute for a week. After this, the case may be taken to the mediation cabal, although I hope to avoid this eventuality. ] 10:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
			==]==
	== The English name of the Persian Language ==
			I was wondering if there are enough interested editors to start this project. Are you interested? ] 19:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
			== Old Macedonian ==
	Hi. I really appreciate all your help during the last week. I've been wanting to make similar changes for the past few months, but I've already upset enough people. –] 00:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
			Do not remove the term "Old Macedonian" from ]. The term is used in the major English-language handbooks (Lunt, Schmalstieg, Nandris, IIRC Gardiner too), since Sts. Cyril and Methodius were from (Greek) Macedonia and OCS is based on the vernacular of Thessalonica. The term and the scholars who use it (in some cases preceding 1945) are unconnected to contemporary polemic about the Republic of Macedonia. ]
	== Goce ==
			: Why should I add the term to the Macedonian terminology article? "Old Macedonian" when used by those scholars for OCS has nothing to do with the modern people identifying themselves as Macedonians, it's a term for a Slavic vernacular spoken to the south in the 9th century. I'll source it for the OCS article later on today, but I fear even sensible and sourced information will all too often get deleted by people thinking the term means something it doesn't. ] 11:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
	Gee, surprising. I was thinking you'd wait for FlavrSavr to revert so that it can be protected again... ] 01:30, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Any silver bullets for Macedonism you have left to fire? ] 01:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::Yet he confuses the term with Macedonianism... ] 01:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Re: Hey ==		== Ataturk ==
			Hi Francis, can do with your help on the ] page please. User wants to create a section insinuating Ataturk was responsible for genocide of Armenians and Pontians. Thanks, --] 20:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
	Yeah, I've checked out the ] article. It's really impressive. I think it's on its way for a good article/featured article nomination. I'll read over it more closely this week and make any useful changes. I have a friend who knows of an excellent Tajik grammar, written in Russian. If you're interested I can find out more info.
	If you've got suggestions on the Persian grammar and/or phonology articles, feel free to lemme know. I haven't done much with them lately, busy and all. Also, I just noticed a lacking in Persian rug articles, so I'd like to beef up that section soon. –] 02:09, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
			==World War II in Vojvodina==
	== GFDL ==
	Where exactly does it say that copy and paste is against GFDL? ] 20:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
			I am against merging of the two articles because they speak about two very different events. While goal of Axis occupation troops was simply to eliminate population of "wrong ethnic origin", the goal of partisans was to eliminate population of "wrong political affiliation". Although, one of the events was indeed consequence of another, it is best that both of them have their own separate articles. Also, the "Occupation of Vojvodina" article have see also section where is a link to "1944-1945 Killings in Bačka" article, so anybody could go there to read that article too. Problem is that killings in 1944-1945 are not the only consequence of the 1941-1944 occupation, thus any possible new section of the article speaking about consequences should mention all consequences, not only those killings in Bačka. ] ] 00:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
	==]==
	Fran, I really need your help. I'me having big problems with a newbie, ]. This editor made all in once massive additions to the article , which were utterly unsourced and blatantly violated NPOV. What's worst, his peronal attacks against me are becoming more and more furious , , . I don't know how much I'll be able to bear him; the quantity of insults I can stomach has a limit. Could you consider protecting the article to stop his disruption and see if you can explain him that peronal attacks? Thanks for anything you can do, and sorry for asking your help, but I was too involved personally to use my admin powers.--] 20:55, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks Fran, lets hope the tone of the discussion quiets down a bit. Mainly I hope that an editor like Telex, that has already made much worked on the article, would search the sources. The problem is that for me it's hard to accept new edits in blatant violation of the ]; I can't remove all that isn't sourced, or else nothing on the Balkans-related article would remain, but I can try to make it a rule for the new edits, especially when speaking of contentious material in controversial articles.--] 23:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Closure of one of the district offices of Transnistrian Communist Party==
	==Deir Yassin==
			Hi, Francis. I have a dispute with Mauco at Transnistria talk page and I know you are one of the persons Mauco asked you previously to mediate disputes on this subject. The subject of the dispute is that Transnistrian authorities closed the Rîbniţa office of Transnistrian Communist Party. I want to include this fact in the article, as I consider it a proof for the lack of democracy in Transnistria, and Mauco disagree. Please look at and share your thoughts.--] 10:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
			: Actually, the bulk of the discussion is here: ]. I have asked MariusM to prove relevance, which he hasn't done. He is trying to steer this particular edit into an overall discussion of democracy in Transnistria, and is avoiding my direct, specific questions. He is also calling me a vandal, accusing me of vandalism. A third opinion might be helpful before we both get blocked for what could quickly turn into yet another 3RR event. - ] 13:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	To put it mildly, have you gone completely bonkers? It is one sentence sourced from a secondary source. The information is from a Newspaper clip. This is draconianism at its extreme. ] 00:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
			==Could you...==
	Um, also you can't extend the ban for a year, probation ends on October 2006 and so does your ability to harrass me.
			Could you please close my ]? I withdrew my nomination for deleting it. -- ] 15:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
			:Thanks. -- ] 15:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
			==State terrorism==
	] 01:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
			Hi Francis, could you take a look at the shenanigans I have uncovered on ] - and elsewhere in the ] area. Whilst removing a section of original research relating to Cuba some time ago, I noticed that 95% of the page carried original research. Having cut the material down to the sourced bone, still quite generously in my view, every time I turn my back, it creeps back. ] has been very active on the subject of state terrorism throughout wikipedia, being involved in numerous templates, pages and categories - which have been rightly challenged by others who have also noticed this liberal use of ] and ]. Incidentally, RaveenS is supported by various anon accounts who share the same view and editing pattern. --] 16:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
			==Coprolalia==
	Are you telling me you can't recognize ridiculously exaggerated speech of a person with a persecution complex! Shame on you! :) I jest.
			Francis, given your language experience, I was hoping you would know - or would know someone who knows - about the changes just made to {{article|coprolalia}}. I need for someone to check on the Greek translations that were just inserted there: I have no idea if the info is anon IP vandalism or correct. Do you know of someone who can check? Thanks, ] (]) 19:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
			:Done . ] ] 19:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	Anyways, no hard feelings. I am gonna call up the Zionist Organization of America, get in writing that they don't care if we use their information along with their permission, and we can get back to editing per the due process of the tag you inserted. I could have gotten permission within a day if you notified me without immediately slapping the tag on, but whatever.
			::Thanks !! ] (]) 19:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
	Regards,
	] 01:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	==Your note==
	Hi Francis, thank you for your note and for asking for a second opinion. I know nothing about the Deir Yassin issue, except that Guy is up against a number of editors on that page who appear to have strong views, at least two of whom are, I would say, somewhat out to get him, and that should perhaps be borne in mind when assessing any reports from them (if, indeed, there was a report). Regarding the copyvio, I would say it depends on how much was copied, and whether it was copied word for word. If it was one sentence, as Guy says, I'd say that wouldn't be grounds for a ban. If it was a significant amount, that would be a different matter, but I haven't checked. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 01:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	Bhouston identifies two paragraphs that he says were copyvios, and commented them out . The first one does seem to have been copied, but the second one not, as follows:
	The Misplaced Pages article says:
	<blockquote>The most comprehensive study was commissioned by ], whose researchers tracked down the surviving Arab eyewitnesses to the attack and interviewed them. Their findings report that "'''for the most part, we have gathered the information in this monograph during the months of February-May 1985 from Deir Yassin natives living in the Ramallah region, who were extremely cooperative,"''' listing by name twelve former Deir Yassin residents whom they had interviewed concerning the battle. The study continued: '''"The sources which discuss the Deir Yassin massacre unanimously agree that number of victims ranges between 250-254; however, when we examined the names which appear in the various sources, we became absolutely convinced that the number of those killed does not exceed 120, and that the exaggerated the numbers in order to frighten Palestinian residents into leaving their villages and cities without resistance."''' A list of 107 people killed and twelve wounded was given.{{fn|49}}</blockquote>
	The article it's allegedly copied from says:
	<blockquote>In 1987, the Research and Documentation Center of Bir Zeit University, a prominent Arab university in the territory now controlled by the Palestinian Authority, published a comprehensive study of the history of Deir Yassin, as part of its "Destroyed Palestinian Villages Documentation Project." The Center's findings concerning Deir Yassin were published, in Arabic only, as the fourth booklet in its "Destroyed Arab Villages Series." The purpose of the project, according to its directors, is "to gather information from persons who lived in these villages and were directly familiar with them, and then to compare these reports and publish them in order to preserve for future generations the special identity and particular characteristics of each village."88 The Bir Zeit study's description of the 1948 battle of Deir Yassin began with the hyperbole typical of many accounts of the event, calling it "a massacre the likes of which history has rarely known."89 But unlike the authors of any other previous study of Deir Yassin, the Bir Zeit researchers tracked down the surviving Arab eyewitness to the attack and personally interviewed each of them. '''"For the most part, we have gathered the information in this monograph during the months of February-May 1985 from Deir Yassin natives living in the Ramallah region, who were extremely cooperative,"''' the Bir Zeit authors explained, listing by name twelve former Deir Yassin residents whom they had interviewed concerning the battle. The study continued: '''"The sources which discuss the Deir Yassin massacre unanimously agree that number of victims ranges between 250-254; however, when we examined the names which appear in the various sources, we became absolutely convinced that the number of those killed does not exceed 120, and that the groups which carried out the massacre exaggerated the numbers in order to frighten Palestinian residents into leaving their villages and cities without resistance."'''90 The authors concluded: "Below is a list of the names and ages of those killed at Deir Yassin in the massacre which took place on April 9, 1948, which was compiled by us on the basis of the testimony of Deir Yassin natives. We have invested great effort in checking it and in making certain of each name on it, such that we can say, with no hesitation, that it is the most accurate list of its type until today." A list of 107 people killed and twelve wounded followed. </blockquote>
	The only parts that are identical (in bold) are the quotes from the Bir Zeit study, but then they would be.
	I would say this situation might be a case of careless attribution rather than deliberate plagiarism and copyvio. In the example above, Guy is using as a reference the same sources the article he's alleged to have copied from used, but that's not the way we're supposed to cite. When we borrow someone else's sources, we have to acknowledge them e.g. we write as a reference "Source 2 cited in Source 1," and we give full details of both. Perhaps it would be sufficient if someone explained that to Guy, rather than banning him from the page? ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 01:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	:And I should note that people do that all the time: quote the source their source quotes, without acknowledging the middle man. Even academics do it. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:00, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	::Francis, I just noticed that you're involved in the disputes, or in one of them anyway, on the talk page. That means you can't take administrative action in relation to that page. Would you mind unbanning Guy and handing this over to an involved admin? ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 02:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	In my defense, the information about Birziet university were in the previous version of the article
	] 05:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Thank you, Francis. ] <sup><font color="Purple">]</font></sup> 14:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	==]==
	We're almost done for the FA status, but there is too little time to deal with some final opjections, mainly in citation. Your help is needed, see talk! ] 15:17, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	==Admin questions==
	Hey, Francis. Can you help me figure out the next step in a dispute process, with respect to ] and ]? I've already had extensive talk page discussions in several places with ], been through ], and requested (and received) help on . Flanker persists in blanking the Criticism article, and working outside of consensus, taking extreme measures which have led to numerous revert wars. Another editor asked me if it wasn't time to have him blocked from editing: I don't know. I don't know what sort of things lead to blocking an editor, or how we can get him back to working via consensus. What do you suggest might be my next step? (By the way, I really regret that the other situation put me in a position where I can't give a final vote on Macedonia, as it could be viewed as a conflict of interest. At least I had remained neutral, and I hope you all know how impressed I am with the effort.) ] 16:20, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Thanks again, Francis. And thanks for clearing up the terminology on "blanking" ... still learning. ] 13:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Tajik grammar ==
	Hey. You might want to check out the discussion on ] with respect to the ] article. --] 20:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Book on Tajik grammar ==
	Concerning your inquiry about that book on Tajik grammar that I told you about, here's the response from my buddy:
	:''The book was published in something like 1967. It's by a lady with the surname of Rastorgueva I believe. There's a newer book on Tajik grammar by John Perry, and if someone actually wants to learn Tajik, there's a good textbook for it that can be found on Amazon. I can't remember the name of it this very second.''
	That's a little vague, but good luck. --] 22:01, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Deir Yassin ArbCom case ==
	I have filed a ArbCom case against Guy Montag for the violation of his probation, see ]. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 13:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
	== template anarchism ==
	Hi, you still have any concerns that anarcho-capitalism should be disputed in this template? ] 15:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Now you make me curious what that word (or six) is... ] 16:51, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
	== Leprechaun ==
	My intention was to make sure the stories were distinguished from the info paragraphs, and I eliminated the mention of cobbling from the intro as it is mentioned in almost identical wording later on. I thought generally seemed to fit better than genuinly because it is mentioned that they can be deceitful and malicious and therefore probably aren't genuinely nice. I may be wrong. ] 00:55, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
	==Be happy to stand up from that chair!==
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I archive my talk page when it gets longer than is preferable. You should too!

• User talk:Francis Tyers/Archive1 (18:58, 25 December 2004 — 18:17, 22 December 2005)
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Help please

Hello Francis, please help me with this article, it's not objective and it's not civil. At least pls let me know your opinion. See Turkification. Regards. --Gokhan 16:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Does Misplaced Pages Have Authority?

Thanks for your comment on my essay about Misplaced Pages's authority . I responded on my user talk page . - Connelly 20:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages Research Survey Request

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NK

No problem (about ignoring Tabib) :). I think its best though to delete his unhelpful comments altogether (just as you have done with Fadix)--you clearly see that he is poisoning the mediation process with his accusations and attacks. And by keeping reverting you on the talk page. You don't need to allow him to do it--I urge you to stick to your decision and move his comments up--right now, it's hard to find the 3 versions that we are working on, and to respond to them. They are completely buried in the midst of Tabib's diversions.--TigranTheGreat 01:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Turkification

Hi Francis. Could u please take a look in this article? Sections have been removed and tags added during the past 24 hours, without logical explanation. i cannot revert again, cause i don't wanna break the rule:p --Hectorian 01:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I think that the info and references provided in Hamshenis are more than enough for this section to stay.... Am I wrong? --Hectorian 01:36, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Tajik

Hi. Thank you for welcoming me in. I'll try to help improving pages on Tajik language as soon as I have a little moment. I tried to find out who were the Tajik contributors, but I did not succeed. I may not be familiar enough with the interface. FOA 12:26, 26 July 2006 (UTC).

History of NK

Hi Francis. I would like to draw your attention to what’s going on with the History of Nagorno-Karabakh article. Eupator and Tigran persistently remove the reference added by me (Circular by colonel D. I. Shuttleworth of the British Command). I believe this is a deliberate attempt to suppress information that does not suit a certain POV. I don’t think it is OK by the rules to remove legitimate references, even if someone does not like them. I got blocked despite never breaking the 3RR rule, but I think the measures should be taken to prevent the references being removed from the article without any valid explanation. There will be no reason for edit wars then.

Also, the tags are being removed from the Sumgait Massacre article, despite the fact that the same Shahmuratian is used as a primary reference, and in addition to him a well-known pro-Armenian source Caroline Cox is being used too. Despite that, certain users claim that the article is neutral. I know you must be really tired of all these disputes, but would you mind to have a look at those articles? Thanks in advance. Grandmaster 06:39, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Too bad I never saw this earlier. I fully responded to GM on the NK History page--it's pretty simple. The article already includes what the primary source document states--that an Azeri governor was appointed. What Tabib tried to add (and GM followed the lead) was to add POV interpretation that somehow this was a de-facto recognition of Azeri ownership, which is not contained in the British circular, and which is disputed by sources. Also, this is the very issue that we are trying to resolve on the NK page--and adding the whole section on the British appointment is like trying to jump the gun on the dispute.

As for Sumgait, Shahmuradyan is only used for the responses and statements of the Armenian side, and he is only one of many sources. This, again, has been extensively explained.--TigranTheGreat 08:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I know, I need to stop dragging my feet...

Ok, I finally started a rough outline of what I'm going to add to Anarchism in the United States like I said I would. It's currently quite bad, but here is the link. Tell others about it. The Ungovernable Force 07:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Anarchism template

From Encarta: "Another branch of individualism was found in the United States and was far less radical. The American Benjamin Tucker (1854-1939) believed that maximum individual liberty would be assured where the free market was not hindered or controlled by the State and monopolies. The affairs of society would be governed by myriad voluntary societies and cooperatives, by, as he aptly put it, “un-terrified” Jeffersonian democrats, who believed in the least government possible. Since World War II this tradition has been reborn and modified in the United States as anarcho-capitalism or libertarianism." I think I have provided enough quotes and arguments here and on Template talk:Anarchism, which has gone a bit off-topic there now. If I do not see any coherent argument from you I'm going to change the template. Intangible 17:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Where are those "Many sources" you are talking about? Intangible 18:35, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you still going to respond, or not? Intangible 16:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Languages

Hi There! Can you translate my name in what language you know please, and then post it Here. I would be very grateful if you do (if you know another language apart from English and the ones on my userpage please feel free to post it on) P.S. all th translations are in alpahbetical order so when you add one please put it in alpahbetical order according to the language. Thanks!!! Abdullah Geelah 15:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

The Borders

Hi, this is Andy123 from IRC. How's the work on the T-shirt going on? --Nearly Headless Nick 10:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

T-shirt? What t-shirt? I think I might want one of these! The Ungovernable Force 05:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Rôle vs role

Hi Francis,

I've put an explanation of why I think "role", not "rôle", is the most appropriate spelling over on the Mixed Economy talk page. El T 13:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Link

Why have you removed the link? It's not redundant you know. --Eliade 16:27, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I've made the link to function. See please if it is redirecting correct. Thanks. I mean "Multumesc" for you! --Eliade 16:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, atunci prietene fii cuminte :) --Eliade 16:38, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Multumesc, stii tu pentru ce. Multumesc si pentru fixarea paginii. M-am chinuit vreo 10 minute cu ea. Esti tare! --Eliade 17:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Cand vrei sa vorbim online? Spune-mi :) --Eliade 17:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Multumesc si mai vb --Eliade 18:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Official request

Can you please protect my page so that is not a tool in hand of vandalisers until I solve my issues (RfC,...) with this bounch of vandals? Multumesc! --Eliade 18:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Bunch of vandals, against which you'll react violently? Quite stylish...   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't push it FunkyFLOCK--Eliade 19:04, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Fran, all the dispute is about the {{sockpuppet}} tag put by Khoikhoi, who grounded his suspicions very well at the request for checkuser page. If a version needs to be protected, it should be the one with the tag on. Todor→Bozhinov 19:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Don't make any new harassments, I will use them against you...--Eliade 19:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Hahahaha! Make some up, and use them as well. Might even be more believable.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

RfC against User:TodorBozhinov

Hello! I started an RfC against User:TodorBozhinov, you should come and help me, since you were involved in the dispute http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/TodorBozhinov Cheers,--Eliade 19:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop this vandle with multiple user names and IP addresses

One, or perhaps two, people have been vandalizing the Beverly Hills High School article, and using personal insults against me and others.

Some of his usernames are: CH1; The MAN; Will Beback is a Nigger Faggot; AssMan2005; Skoda's Shlong; JAveline; and many others!

Some of these users have been disciplined or blocked indefinately, but he just keeps signing on with a new username!

Some of the IP addresses he uses are: 68.46.74.45; 69.234.96.87; 69.234.138.173; 69.234.121.172; amongst others. According to http://whois.domaintools.com;

Some of these IP address are traceable to:

United States - California - Los Angeles - Rback26c.irvnca Reverse DNS: adsl-69-234-138-173.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net

and the rest are traceable to:

United States - New Jersey - Brigantine - Comcast Cable Communications Inc Reverse DNS: c-68-46-74-45.hsd1.pa.comcast.net

A few of these IP addresses have been blacklisted, for whatever reason!

If you look at the history page of Beverly Hills High School you will see that this article is plagued with personal insults in the history page (and elseware) and vandalism. Sometimes the vandalism is a bigotted or racist remark, sometimes it is pornography. Many antivandal bots and human users have reverted these vandalisms over and over again. He has vandalized many other articles as well!

But he is clearly using dynamic IP addresses. There MUST be something wikipedia can do to block this guy indefinately!

Thanks in advance for your help!

Karmak 19:49, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Union

Hi Francis. Any chance that you're conversant in QIF syntax? I recently converted the Template:Infobox Union over from the old "hiddenStructure" style, but I seemed to have a small problem. Now there are several lines of white-space being produced at the top of articles using the box - but I have no idea why. Would you look at it sometime when you have a moment? (Or if that's not your forte, would you know anyone that I could ask?) Cheers. Chris --Bookandcoffee 00:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for having a look. I'll ask at the 'pump. --Bookandcoffee 16:25, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

List of persecuted Turkish writers

The article wasn't deleted, as you may or may not have heard elsewhere, so I'm canvassing opinions for what to rename it to/merge it to on its relevant talk page. All reasonable suggestions will be entertained. BigHaz 10:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

You'll have to be more specific about what exactly is disputed and unverified, or I'll have to revert you, whenever my budget permits.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Your decisions to merge the sections was not discussed. Why are you doing it?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, about that nationalism thing? Your sources?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

And btw, how is removing the region of Macedonia and ethnic Macedonians, replacing them with Macedonians an improvment?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So since you "did not add it", were you blindly reverting then?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The problem that I see is that you make accusations of incivility, while your majesty is allowed to curse. A role model?   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Gee whiz, I can quote you on saying "fuck" outside of your fuck the border thing. There's the blind revert, why dont you read the talk of the page? checking   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:09, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Accepted, so how about discussing changes, which you so much advocated earlier?   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

So, are you going to remove the nationalists bit, or should we wait for about 24 hours and start reverting?   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, not bad. Two things, why is Bulgarian deleted from the list of languages in the beginning, and why is a stub template added at the bottom. The article is hardly a stub anymore.   /FunkyFly.talk_  19:28, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I've made some edits on Macedonism.--ElevatedStork 19:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Bulgarian_language&diff=67095412&oldid=67086402 ElevatedStork 19:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The source

Here it is Check art 3. Also, if you "inspect carefully the diff" you will find that there are four reverts in less than 24 hrs.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

And? It is a question of taste and consensus if it should be added, and I dont believe so. Turkish btw does not have any legal use in Bulgaria.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:59, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes well, that's why the policy reminds "When in doubt, do not revert". There is nothing restricting the usage of a previous version. Even so, there might be a fresher one. The user was warned on at least four occasions though.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I would not be so sure about the claim that Bulgaria has much more minorities percentagewise than Britain. In the 2001 census there are 16% minorities, versus about 14 in the UK.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

How about the Scottish people? About 8% of the population? Jamaicans? Pakistani and so on...   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:17, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess you should pose the same question for the Kurdish language in Turkey.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:34, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually I dont care who asked you.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:40, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Since you nonetheless revealed it - good for you.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:44, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

If this will stop you from pinging me indefinitely, I cant confirm or deny anything.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Embarassed is not the right term. More like, being political.   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

A doubt

I wanted an advice from you as an expert admin: could an editor be legitimately blocked for excessive edit-warring even if he hasn't formally violated the 3RR? I know it would be a case of controversial block, but I wanted to know if it is judged a legitimate option, or something disapproved of by wikipedia rules and guidelines. Thanks for any advice you can give me. Ciao--Aldux 22:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Hồ Chí Minh

Thank you for notifying me about that page. I am monitoring the page now, and have responded on the talk page. Again, thank you. --Ionius Mundus 23:20, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

The vandal of the BHHS article is back and is insulting you now!

I believe User:WAterManof9176 is another sock puppet of CH1 aka The MAN, etc. He is a brand new user with three edits, and all of them are to vandalize my User page and my personal talk page, and to insult you! He put this on my user page: "Fuck you francistyers. You're no help at ALL!!! frm karmak the great homosexual drag queen extraordinaire."

He deserves to be blocked. Again, thank you so much for your help!

History of Communist Bulgaria

Did you known that Bulgaria was the most fervent and loyal communist state to the Soviet Union? All sources indicated so far that was a country that obeyed to Kremlin without any trace of dignity. It's interesting this history. I think I will search more material on this topic. --ElevatedStork 06:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

That Bulgarian communist officially wanted to join Soviet Union, see here: In 1968 Todor Zhivkov unoficially requested that Bulgaira join the Soviet Union as a Soviet Republic. --ElevatedStork 09:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Francis, honestly. Am I insightful or what? Apology?   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:30, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Apparently he is interested in a broader range of Balkan-related topics. I must admit I was not convinced it was Bonaparte all along though.   /FunkyFly.talk_  15:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

BCF

Will add some chronology tomorrow, but it will concern mostly the KKE; it would be great if someone has information on the role of the USSR. Politis 15:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

Better now?   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Btw AKeckarov is an expert in the subject matter.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:15, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Anarchism in France

Thanks! Actually just translating... There is a lot, some very good classic books have been written, and I suspect most of the info coming from there... Cheers! Tazmaniacs 00:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

You're welcome :-) - Myanw 19:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

no problem-vandalism

any time ;) Wikipediarules2221 22:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Economy of Romania

Look what's going on.   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:35, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be back to normal.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Darth" deletion

Hope I'm not overstepping the bounds, but I copied it to his userspace (User:AZBigDog/sandbox1). I get a feeling he might turn out to be a good contributor. SB_Johnny | 00:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Joe Arpaio

I noticed that you have deleted Joe Arpaio in response to my CSD for a history merge with Talk:Joe Arpaio/Temp. Its been over an hour and I noted the page hasn't reappeared. Is the history merge still in progress or has there been a whoops? -- ShinmaWa 01:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I've also added this to deletion review WP:AN, in case you can't get back to this in a while. Thanks Francis :) -- ShinmaWa 03:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Francis! :) -- ShinmaWa 16:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

A technical question

Hi, I don't know much about computers or all the tools at an admin's disposal, but an anon was recently asking if I could clear their edit history for privacy reasons for them. I know as an admin you can delete user pages and such, but I don't know if you can do this (I doubt it). Anyway, they talked about it on my talk (under the titles DHS, DHS2, DHS3 and DHS4) and on their talk page. Thanks. The Ungovernable Force 09:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

Thanks. Tchadienne 16:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

GFDL (Re:Here)

Thanks. Isn't this cut and paste edit violation of GFDL policy? -- Vision Thing -- 17:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't see logic in that. If "GFDL requires acknowledgement of all contributors" by cutting and pasting that acknowledgement is equally lost as with copying and pasting. -- Vision Thing -- 17:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

While I have not checked the edit history, this strongly resembles a continuation of the Macedonia dispute. Nineteenth and early twentieth century maps (the 1911 Britannica, for example) routinely divide Turkey-in-Europe into Macedonia, Thrace, Albania, and Epirus (and other regions while the Turks held them). None of these are the Ottoman administrative districts, which were much smaller. Septentrionalis 23:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

While I regret having noticed this so late in the process, compare the editors concerned. My understanding of the state of affairs is in this edit; my source is the last, by William Miller. Septentrionalis 00:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I'll see if Miller has anything, although he's mostly very oldfashioned diplomatic/parliamentary history. The problem with Wilkinson is that he's being correctly cited for a half-truth: Macedonia wasn't an Ottoman adminstrative unit; it was several Ottoman administrative units. Septentrionalis 00:41, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I just saw all this (Fran's talk, FAC talk, article talk, your talk, history template, article itself). I'm the one who copied all this from the M-(region) article. I must admit I haven't read Wilkinson, apart from the parts already included. Please, if you have the time, kindly copy some text that was left out in the article's talk, so that we include it.

Re history template, again, that was specificaly quoted by Wilkinson in the M-(region) article. Was Macedonia a constant stable well-defined "set of administrative units" as you said to Fran, or was it an arbitrary region until end 19th century, and after that it was defined to include the smaller units you have stated in the article? In any case, feel free to modify the "misleading" statement about "rarely used on maps", by enriching it with your additional info.

Finally, "Macedonia for the Macedonians" by Gladstone. To which "Macedonians" exactly does he refer to? To the regioners collectively? To the Greeks? To the contemporary ethnic ones? To the Blagoevgrad-ians? To the Aromanians? To the Albanians? Can you clarify that please?

Goin' fishin' now... I'll be back later to check... :NikoSilver: 13:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Duh! Moving that where it belongs...:NikoSilver: 15:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Goce Delchev

Why are you making blind reverts again? At least leave the ref!!   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

FYI regarding your research - Aleksandar Stamboliyski.   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice ISP you got :)   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:31, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh man, 512/256. I feel for you. Dont they offer optics in the UK already? The unique name is nice, but a little too revealing in my opinion. Dont think they do it in too many other countries.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:40, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Is this 8Mb down, 512K up now you cite optical cable, dsl, vdsl, or cable tv internet? With optics accross the pond they go up to 30mbs/5mbs but it costs a fortune. 15 Mbps/2 Mbps is decent.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Old Macedonian

The term "Old Macedonian" for Old Church Slavonic is mentioned in the major English-language handbooks for OCS, such as those by Lunt, Nandris, and Schmalstieg. Since Cyril and Methodius were from Thessaloniki in Greek Macedonia over a thousand years ago, the language they spoke was an old, Macedonian Slavonic language. Please do not remove sourced material. CRCulver 19:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I should mention that this term has nothing to do with the modern Republic of Macedonia and its language, and in fact the term in English-language scholarship predates 1945. CRCulver 19:07, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Publically

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User%3AMboverload%2FRegExTypoFix&diff=68095766&oldid=68085088 Why? --Guinnog 00:21, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

See http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Typo#Dictionary.com

I understand what you are saying here but I think publically is such a minority spelling, yet (was) so common here, that it is worth getting rid of it and standardising on publicly. Like humourous, or like connexion. Thanks for the nice thing you said. --Guinnog 00:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read

...and comment.

• This: is a text we should all carefully read and criticise before we start modifying the article. The link was provided by Politis, and I truncated some part of the address. Please read and comment. :NikoSilver: 15:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Mediation needed

Francis, I need your help. I feel that we need some sort of mediation over the Nakhichevan article (see the talk page for further information - in particular the sections over the Karki exclave). I want to have an accurate article and I want it done right. Please help if you can. Thanks! -- Clevelander 16:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. I added my input, tell me what you think. -- Clevelander 17:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I added one more suggestion. Tell me what you think. Your input could resolve a key dispute. -- Clevelander 17:27, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I've finally got a solid resolution for the Karki situation. Any comments? -- Clevelander 17:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Vlad III the Impaler to Vlad III of Wallachia

hi Francis, i asked Bogdan Giusca to move the page Vlad III the Impaler to Vlad III of Moldavia, in order to be consistent with other articles about Rulers of States, like Stephen III of Moldavia, and he told me to ask you, as he is going to a vacation. The page Vlad III of Wallachia already exists, and it says an admin has to do the move, otherwise i would have moved the page. thx Criztu 20:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

About Cheese (drug)

Do we have any better sources for this, it reads like a hoax. - FrancisTyers · 20:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

• What... newspaper articles aren't good enough? WhisperToMe 20:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Yep: http://www.dea.gov/programs/forensicsci/microgram/mg0506/mg0506.html WhisperToMe 21:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Macedonism

Read here. Just because it is sourced, does not mean authors agree, even now we know it is a thesis.   /FunkyFly.talk_  22:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Agreed as well, arent you watching the talk page as well?   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Georgian quote

Francis, I do agree that the quality of the section could be improved with the rewording of some of the sentences. My problem is that I believe it is up to the editors to decide the best version, instead of automatically discarding offensive opinions--since there is no such rule in Wiki policies of NPOV. Thanks for your contributions.--TigranTheGreat 08:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Greek/Turkish placenames dispute, and Mywayyy

Hi Fran, could you perhaps check out User talk:Aldux#88.218.47.184 and give us your opinion? There's apparently a need for some centralised dispute resolution process over the issue of the inclusion of Greek/Turkish foreign placenames, both in Greek geographical articles like Kalymnos and Chios, and Turkish ones like Izmir and Trabzon. As you are experienced in setting up things like that (strawpolls and all), your input would be appreciated. In addition, there's the suggestion that Mywayyy ought to be allowed back to participate in such a process. You'll see on Aldux' page that he has promised to behave, and I had previously promised I would advocate a lifting of his block to offer him a chance of return in such a case. Maybe Aldux and you could arrange for an unblocking under some suitable conditions? Thanks, Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I do not understand why the Turkish appelations (or rather Greek name that are Turkified) should be included, even as co-equivalent in the opening line, unless there are key historical reasons (in which case the name goes to the historical section). In 'real life' the only place where the Turkified names are included are on some Turkish maps and can be seen as irridentist, but not on maps like that by the Turkish Ministry of Defence. To inlude them can be interpreted as unhelpful in our objectives as wikipedia informers. I stand by the same argument for the Turkish mainland placenames that originally had quite distinct Greek placenames. By historical reasons I mean places like Alexandroupoli, Adana, Izmir... Therefor the most agreeable thing would be to edit out the alternative appelation and included, if strictly necessary, in the historical section. Just for the record, if anyone disagrees, I would be interested in their arguments, which, hopefully, will make extensive references to existing works of scholarship, map making standards and general media representation. Politis 12:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I now notice that Mywayyy, still as 88.218.47.184 (talk · contribs), has actually been continuing to make reverts at the very moment we were talking about unblocking him. I find this rather frustrating and would ask to impress it rather firmly on him that this is not going to be tolerated. Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

This is not a step towards solution. i was looking forward for a discussion on this issue, but as long as it is tittled like that and it includes only greek islands and cities, i am not going to participate, nor i will consider the outcome as valid. Would u consider a rename and expansion of it? --Hectorian 14:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre/Workshop.

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Nakhichevan again

You may want to check out the Nakhichevan talk page again. -- Clevelander 15:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Check out the Nakhichevan page today. I added a revised version of the history. Be sure to respond with your feedback. -- Clevelander 14:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Check under the "Revised again" section on the Nakhichevan talk page. -- Clevelander 15:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a bit of concern regarding a line I added to the Nakhichevan page. It's under my most recent post, please respond. -- Clevelander 19:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Are you online right now? —Khoikhoi 17:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I needed help with Bonaparte, but another admin already took care of it. Thanks anyways. —Khoikhoi 17:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Ahh, Bonaparte has IP from Italy dude. You don't know? --200.199.121.74 17:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

But he was on IRC when I logged in. :p —Khoikhoi 17:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good! :) —Khoikhoi 17:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Derrick Jensen

There has been some pov editing there recently. I haven't read anything from Jensen yet though, so I've been pretty wary of editing it since I don't know enough about what he has said and what emphasis he places on some of the various topics discussed on the page. An anon claiming to be Jensen has left two messages on the talk page (and I think it's actually him, but I could be wrong). If you have read his stuff, could you try and check the page, the recent versions of it and the talk and try to see if it's npov or not? Thanks. The Ungovernable Force 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. The Ungovernable Force 22:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and be sure to check out my new kitchen! The Ungovernable Force 22:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Disagreement at Category:Anarchism

Intangible is removing the "political movement" category, saying anarchism is only an ideology. See edit summaries and talk page. The Ungovernable Force 23:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Cuba photo

I think the photo looks great; I was planning on doing it myself. I'll make sure there is no trace of me in photos--I thought in that photo I wasn't particularly clear, and unfortunately in a late-night stupor I put my photography credit in the captions. This was before I knew Misplaced Pages's policy (and I agree with it). There are still some out there, I think. Thank you for the message. Could you give me feedback when you have a moment on the first article I created Tompkins Square Park Police Riot. I want to make sure I don't repeat any mistakes in future planned articles Second Avenue Marble Cemetary and St. Brigid's a 103-year-old historic church that allowed protesters to organize in Tompkins Square Park during the riot, which is now being demolished to make way for condos. Much appreciated! --DavidShankBone 11:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Francis--No, I've never written anything about the Cuba experience. It's something worth considering. We stayed only with local people (in what they call "casa particulares") instead of hotels (whose money go to the government). I noted not many people disliked Castro, though that could just be a form of Stockholm Syndrome. Batista was as bloody and dictatorial as Castro, just not "Communist" nor anti-American. Castro was an idealist at the start--he brought electricity and education to the countryside; Cuba still has what many consider the finest eye doctors on the planet. But, I judge him harshly because he has ultimately created the exact same society as Batista had: an aristocracy that exists off a tourist class or Communist party connections. They just aren't landed. The US embargo plays a role in this, as well (a sign to me we have learned nothing about our hypocritical foreign policy since 9/11--why China but not Cuba? Answer: Florida). There is a lot of antipathy on the island for the people who left, generally the ones who profitted from the Batista era. Those people will not be welcomed back; that feeling is near-universal. The Mariel Boat Lift people are a different story. Some of the mansions in Havana rival anything you might see in Palm Beach. --DavidShankBone 18:34, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

CDR

I modified the photograph and added it back into the article. Is it ok now? - FrancisTyers · 10:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Francis.--Zleitzen 13:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

We've awarded you this PARC research star in recognition for your contribution to research about conflict in Misplaced Pages. Thank you for your help!!! --Parc wiki researcher 21:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Anonymous users

Francis, we've had quite a lot of issues with anonymous users of the type 62.162.1__.___ (probably a class B in the Republic) 62.162.19_.___ seems to be particularly active:

(!!!)

Can this range be blocked from editing unless from registered accounts? Or maybe only the affected articles be protected from anonymous edits from this range? There is also some evidence that a least part of these belong to user:Amacos and/or the indef blocked user:LBakraceski   /FunkyFly.talk_  23:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it because of technical limitations that the range cannot be blocked? Other considerations?   /FunkyFly.talk_  16:03, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

The full list will probably be about twice as big, if not more. And this is just from 62.162, there are other Macedonian subnets with similar edits. Should we keep reverting them one at a time whenever they replace "Bulgarian" with "Tatar" or "Macedonian"?   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

C'est la vie. Thanks for the card-blance.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

User:LBakraceski

Putting the facts together:   /FunkyFly.talk_  18:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Montag evidence

Thanks for the comment. My contribution to the evidence page was actually a cut and paste of my original contribution to the RfA page. I recognize of course that it wasn't in the ideal format for an evidence page, but then I have my doubts as to whether I will be able to find the time and energy to massage it into a more appropriate format.

Anyhow, I've deleted it for the time being, but if I can't find the time over the next week or two to improve upon it, I'll just have to repost it again as is. So don't be suprised if it turns up again. Gatoclass 14:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Nagorno-Karabakh

In early July you full protected Nagorno-Karabakh. I am trying to help Voice of All with unprotecting pages protected for a long time, and it feels like a month is long enough. I wanted to ask if it was alright to unprotect the page as I'm not quite sure what your summary meant for the protection. Cowman109 19:13, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Alright then, I won't. :) Cowman109 19:16, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Geographic names

Hi Francis. Would you mind to have a look at Syunik (Zangezur) when you come back? Tigran persistently removes Azerbaijani spelling from that article, while insisting that the Armenian transliteration should be included in Nakhichevan. I know there’s a similar dispute here: Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (Greek and Turkish named places), but we need to resolve a dispute with regard to Azeri and Armenian names. If it is OK to include Armenian names to Azerbaijani locations, why it is not OK to do the other way around? Your opinion would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. Grandmaster 08:34, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Syunik-- User:Grandmaster violating the rules of WP:POINT

Francis, I was actually going to write to you about this. As one can clearly see from the history of the article, I wasn't the one who first removed the Azeri spelling--User:Clevelander did, and rightly so: Syunik has never been part of Azerbaijan, has no Azeri population, and has never been an Azeri autonomy. As clearly seen from Grandmaster's edit summaries ("Why is this different from NAR? The rules don't say that other language spelling should be provided for automomies only." and "Rules don't say that Nakhichevan should have Armenian name either. Leave it alone." (!) ), he is clearly trying to make a point in retaliation to the Nakhichevan page, which is unacceptable and is a gross violation of the rules. I ask for your intervetion to stop this if he decides to pursue this.--TigranTheGreat 10:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm simply adding relevant information to the article about Zangezur. The region had an Azeri majority, was under provisional administration of Azerbaijani government until it was transfered to Armenia by the Bolsheviks in 1920. The Azerbaijani name has as much relevance to this article, as the Armenian name to the article about Nakhichevan. This has nothing to do with WP:POINT, but rather is a part of larger dispute on naming issues. Grandmaster 10:31, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I am not going to debate the substantive merits of your arguments, which are clearly inaccurate. Trying to impose a "larger policy" on an article (under the cloak of "larger dispute") by adding something to one article, just because it appears on another article (clearly to your dissatisfaction) is the very definition of making a WP:POINT. You clearly realized this, which is why you tried to PREEMPTIVELY complain to an administrator before even discussing your changes. --TigranTheGreat 04:06, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Article you might want to help with when you get back

I just created feminist anthropology. It's pretty short now, but I hope to get it up to snuff soon. You might want to contribute when you get back. And btw, have an awesome time! What are you doing there, fun, family, work, other? Ungovernable Force 10:56, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I'm also trying to set up a wikiproject for anthropology, since I discovered there isn't one. If you're interested, you can sign up at our entry on the list of proposed projects, and on the temporary project page. Thanks. Ungovernable Force 20:56, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

FAR of anarcho-capitalism

Hi, Fran. You might want to take a peek at the FAR of anarcho-capitalism, as they are closing the vote. --AaronS 18:08, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Bel.wiki

Possibly, you could reconsider your opposing the http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages#Belarusian_.28Orthography_Revision_of_1959.29_.2817_support_.2F_14_oppose.29? The possibility of automated showing of Belarusian text in diff. orthographies is, by far, a myth. There are also significant and growing differences in lexics used, pointed out in meta discussion in request, and there exists nothing conceivable to handle them. Finally, there is talk on orthography, but diffs exist in syntax and morphology scopes, too

So far a myth, but doesn't mean it couldn't be done. - FrancisTyers · 22:24, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Even admins of be-wiki say that it's impossible. It's not just an automation. There are no Wiki-projects that could solve this problem. 80.94.230.8 11:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Be very careful before you state that something is "impossible", perhaps no-one has attempted it yet. - FrancisTyers · 11:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

There WAS an attempt but it fails! www.pravapis.tut.by (in Belarusian). That was a program that would do classic <-> official authomatic transmormation. But it DOESN'T WORK:\ Because the only possibility to do this is to have the DB of classic-official pairs of words with all the wordforms... It's impossible. And as an addition the "rules" of "transformation" are alogical because the spelling of classic words bases on the "tradition", not the rules (as in official Belarusian). Very pitty if you plan to vote against the official language of Belarus. That's the language that Belarusian people understand! Abd they don't understand and know that "classic" version. That situation is like if the "en"-wiki would be registered be "adepts" of Old-English and after the "adepts" of Modern English want to register the Wiki in their native language, some "Old-Englians" say: "You have your Wiki. Hey, men, what d'you want?" I think Bel-people have the right to write in their native lang in their native Misplaced Pages and shouldn't learn the "Old-Bel" lang... 80.94.230.8 11:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Your analogy is flawed. Many kinds of English may be written on the en-wiki. I don't see why you think having a database is "impossible". It would surprise me if no-one at all could read the 5,000 or something articles that are written on the Belarusian Misplaced Pages. If you give me some concrete reasons why it is highly impractical I would like to see them. Perhaps you could give me Swadesh lists in both of the orthographies? - FrancisTyers · 13:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Please read answers on your questions at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/Requests_for_new_languages#Questions

Thanks! 80.94.230.19 08:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Hope you had a good time! Ungovernable Force 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

FTB

It's hard to say. I think the problems are (1) I don't think a literal translation makes sense and (2) there is a lot of regional variation in Spanish for a phrase like that.

I think que se joda la frontera is the most direct translation.

a la mierda con la frontera makes a lot of sense to me too. It's kind of like saying, "the hell with the border". But not polite.

Some of the other examples you have:

• chinga la frontera (Mexico)

  I think que se chingue la frontera would be better. The way you have it, that's like directly telling someone to fuck the border. Or it could be simply "the border fucks."

• putiar la frontera (Colombia)

  This is marked as Colombian and I don't know anything about Colombian Spanish. putiar may be related to the fact that puta means "whore". I've always known this verb as putear, with an E rather than an I. But anyway, since the verb is in the infinitive form that would be more like "fucking the border".

• me cago en la frontera

  That's literally "I shit on the border".

• Que li fotin a les fronteres

  That's not Spanish. It looks like Catalan? A "Castilianized" version of this might be que le jodan a las fronteras, "may they fuck the borders"

I should note that I am not a native speaker. But I think I have a pretty good sense for this.

–Andyluciano 17:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

FTB

How is knulla gränsen ? - FrancisTyers · 15:07, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be the literal translation, basically "have sexual intercourse with the border". "Knulla" isn't the versatile verb "fuck" is, and noone would ever say "knulla gränsen" - at least not in my parts of Sweden. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 18:43, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

anarcho-capitalism

Why are you removing anarcho-capitalism from the anarchism section? There has been a consensus now for awhile to keep it there. There is afterall a "disputed" label on it, and that should probably not even be there. There are around 20 or 30 sources that say it is anarchism from reputable scholars. Please do not be disruptive. hot 18:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, I know you've been gone for a while, but could you look over the edits of some of the newer users on the anarchism page (and related pages) to see if you think any of them are socks. There have been numerous accusations, including some made by me against Whiskey Rebellion. Anyways, people accused include Whiskey Rebellion, DTC, That's Hot (the person above) and Blockader (accused by DTC and later others as a sock of Aaron). I'm also concerned by Whiskey's edits to Henry David Thoreau. They are using Goldman's quote calling him an anarchist as a source for labelling him an anarchist in the intro. There is discussion on the talk page. I have discussed the possible whiskey sock issue with Bunchofgrapes and Bishonen on their talk pages, but they seed unconvinced. That was a while ago though, and you're more familiar with that area and the possible indef-blocked users they could be. Other talk can be found on the accused socks' talk pages. Thanks. Ungovernable Force 06:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Aaron posted to ANI. Take a look there. Ungovernable Force 23:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Narcotics/drugs and the like

Hey Francis, glad to see you back from your vacation. I have a question regarding the Sumgait Massacre which directly relates to your knowledge on drugs and my aforementioned tidbit on the existence of it being present during the attacks. While not being given to the rioters per se, one Armenian couple reported that their three year old son was drugged by the mob. In the book that I used, it lists a medical report written by Azerbaijani doctors in the capital of Baku who treated and saved the boy's life. I was hoping you would be able to identify the drug and give me your opinion on it:

Name: Neresesyan, Christopher Garnikovich

Date of Admission: February 26, 1988

Date of Discharge: March 13, 1988

Clincial Diagnosis: Acute oral poisoning with psychotropic substances

Condition upon admission was serious. Stupor was alleviated, cries in response to noxious stimulus. Pupils equally round and reactive to light and accommodation...Child released in satisfactory condition, symptoms of acute poisoning passed. The child was discharged. There were no complications of infection.

Dept. Head: A. A. Ibragimov

Attending Physician: A. N. Bagirov

It may sound vague but perhaps you might be able to deduce what sort of classification of drugs belong to such symptoms. I'd appreciate it, thanks. --MarshallBagramyan 05:56, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, Francis. I do have some of their comments regarding their realization of what had happend to their child:

"Those men had yellow medicine . They said , 'Kida come here'...The man said 'I'll give you some candy'...And I said that's not candy , its yellow and round.' He said , 'No its candy,' and ate it right up.

... How could he take medicine and eat it? He must have known that it was medicine. Maybe its my fault, we often bought the children vitamins from the pharmacy, yellow ones, white ones, Vitamin C, for their appetites, and they got used to taking them. Maybe the boy thought that's what they were, the color was probably the same."

Not sure how much that tells you but nevertheless, its on the yellow spectrum I suppose if I understand that part correctly.--MarshallBagramyan 17:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, you want to come back to that page, we miss your presence ;) --MarshallBagramyan 17:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Question

Could you please check your email? Thanks. —Khoikhoi 23:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Casualties of the Turkish-Kurdish conflict

Hey, the comment "In the Turkish-Kurdish conflict more than 30.000 civilians have been killed by PKK militants since 1984" is a misinformation and link doesn't say same thing. 30,000 is total casuality (actual is more than 50,000) and most of them killed by Turkish goverment forces. This comment must deleted since it is not even matching with it's referenced news. --CalWikiUser 17:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox

This case is now closed and the result has been published at the link above.

Eternal Equinox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is placed on Probation and personal attack parole for one year.

Jim62sch (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) is cautioned to avoid teasing or taunting sensitive users.

For the Arbitration Committee. --Tony Sidaway 13:35, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Syunik

Francis, I think that the Syunik article is in need of mediation. Please assist. -- Clevelander 22:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Political views on the Macedonian language

Hi Fran, if you find some time, could you give a look at the edits made by a brand new, if promising, Bulgarian editor at the article? The editor has already started radical changes at this and other article; as a very new editor, who uses almost exclusively Slavic sources, Ihave difficulties giving an exact judgement of his work; and also, Macedonian linguistics has never been a field I knew much, while you're an expert. Ciao,--Aldux 22:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey Francis, I'm quite new arround here, but anyway, I'd like to know that you have my support for defending (one of) my native language(s)! I know great deal about linguistics (especialy slavic) and if you have any question fell free to ask me, I'd very much like to answer it! PS: do not lose your temper with the Bulgarians, they are as stubborn as we Macedonians are ;-)! Profesorot 13:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

removal

I've just removed my own statements, is it ok? e104421

I removed them just before his last statements :) I'm just criticizing your statement that "do not remove "other" peoples comments from the talk page". As i wrote above i removed my own but i do not know that it is not necessary to do so in the discussion page.e104421

AaronS left

Got fed up and finally called it quits. Thought you might like to know. See his talk page if you want to know why. Ungovernable Force 04:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Neo-Tech spams cyberspace

Hi Francis, User:JoeMystical seems to be bent on trashing your -- and my -- cleanups to Neo-Tech (philosophy) and Integrated Management Associates. Please assist. Thanks! Bi 09:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Dispute tiebreaker?

Hi Francis, I'm having two silly little disputes at Germanic languages and at Latin peoples. Seems we need a tie-breaker. Would you like to give us your opinion? Thanks. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:12, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish cities

Hello francis, hope you ok. Batman, Diyarbakir, Van, Şırnak, Dersim or Tunceli, Siirt, Urfa, Muş, Mardin, Malatya, Kars, igdir, Hakkari, Elazığ, Bitlis, Bingöl, Ardahan, Ağrı, Adıyaman. these are the most certain cities in Turkey that Kurds inhabit predominantly. I am sure Antep, Maras, Adana adn kayseri and many more have high population of Kurds but because of statistics it's incorrect for us to label it. Regards. Ozgur Gerilla 00:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Turkish - Kurdish

Diyarbakir = Amed

Tunceli = Dersim

Urfa = Riha

Bingol = Cewlik

Malatya = Meletî

Look at the articles if you can't find them inform me.

-Ozgur Gerilla 00:59, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hi Francis, there's an article about that on the Kurdish Misplaced Pages, see ku:Lîsteya bajarên Kurdistanê. —Khoikhoi 01:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, if you see ku:Bajarên Komara Tirkiyê, another related article, it seems that it means "province", but then from the Kurdish language article it says it means city. I'm not sure! :( —Khoikhoi 01:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Mirzo Tursunzoda / Mirzo Tursunzade

Hey - the first article just turned up in {{stub}} today. I noticed you created it, but when I went to categorize it, I found the second article. Could you decide which spelling to give precedence to and merge/redirect them? Thanks! Aelfthrytha 02:55, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey

It's not WP:V. It's Misplaced Pages:Attack page (regarding the page that you deleted about Serbian expansionism). While you're interested in the Macedonian question - take a look at The Serbs and the Macedonian Question. It's Serbian POV - but the best comprehensive research on the Macedonian Question (by now), and it's as far NPOV as a pro-Serb opinion can get (pro-Serb orientated - but no claims over the Macedonian people's ethnic origin; AFAIC, it goes deep within its controversies with the Greeks and Bulgarians). --HolyRomanEmperor 11:57, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey!

It's not WP:V. It's Misplaced Pages:Attack page (regarding the page that you deleted about Serbian expansionism). While you're interested in the Macedonian question - take a look at The Serbs and the Macedonian Question. It's Serbian POV - but the best comprehensive research on the Macedonian Question (by now), and it's as far NPOV as a pro-Serb opinion can get (pro-Serb orientated - but no claims over the Macedonian people's ethnic origin; AFAIC, it goes deep within its controversies with the Greeks and Bulgarians). --HolyRomanEmperor 12:40, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal

Too fast move, Francis. Are you sure you've done the right thing? Deleting the article "Serbian expansionist wars in 1990's"? What was wrong with it? Kubura 00:05, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I did put parts of the text from "Yugoslav wars" into that article, because it needed some content, for the beginning.
Still, I was planning to add more material to the article (matter is large); War in Slovenia (Ten day war), Croatian War of Independence, Bosnian War, Kosovo war themselves alone do not explain the whole picture. Still, the "Yugoslav wars" article (that name isn't good, where is now "no original research" policy?), deals with war on the area of former Yugoslavia, but all these wars weren't the Serbian expansionist wars.
Or, if you want it that way, than there were also Yugoslav wars in 1940's, as part of WW2.
Certain user, known for its greterserbianism, complained about "anti-Serb POV" content on the talk page of the speedily deleted article. What did he wanted to say? That abovementioned wars weren't expansionist wars, and that Serbia hasn't started all these wars?
And you're listening to complaints of such user? BTW, that user besides is being criticised from Croatian, Bosniac and Albanian (Kosovar) users. It's not unusual if he used greaterserbianist sites as reference. You neglect that fact and you react to his complaints and obey to his wishes?
Speedy deletion? And you've bought it? Kubura 01:02, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll take that as an offense. Please define, what is "Greaterserbianism"? The abovementioned wars might've been expansionistic - but not just for the Serbian side(s). And no, Serbia hasn't started most of those wars. You forgot that I am criticized also by Serbian and Bulgarian users. Isn't it a little odd that I get only good revisions from Montenegrin, Greek and Macedonian users? Then again, I have received "positive rating" from the very few Albanian users that are right now put on trial (an arbitration) because of alleged trollish POV-pushing on the Kosovo article (Oh, Muse and Mary! I am only liked by the central Balccanalians! :). And, I mostly do good with all the administrators of the administrators of the Balkans and users that are of "mixed stock" (like myself). I think that this all tells more about you that me. :)

Francis, my apologees for using your talk page as a responce (will try to evade it in future!!!). Best regards. --HolyRomanEmperor 13:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Francis, here's the material from the English House of Commons from November 1992 , where it has been said "...A third, Serbia, has rightly been refused recognition because of its naked aggression against others...". (and English diplomacy's been known for its pro-Serb attitudes!). If somebody doubts now about the fact that Serbia's wars in 1990's were expansionistic, let him read that line. Now you have the source. More will come, if you require. Sincerely, Kubura 22:04, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

A Conservative politician? What does that mean? That that is the opinion of a member of some extremist party that wins 2.3% at elections?
What was the opinion of Margaret Thatcher, Francis? Do you know who Maggie Thatcher is? "Some conservative politician"? How did she defined Serbian aggression on Croatia and BiH? And what she proposed as solution? Do you remember? Or you were still in kindergarten then?
I leave Macedonian matters to my Macedonian friends, I have enough work with Croatian matters. Kubura 08:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Poll

...you know the drill! :-) •NikoSilver• 10:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC) PS: What's up? Kinda lost you...

AfD probably of interest to you

Francis, could you please take a look at this if you have a moment: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of common phrases in various languages (second nomination). The perspective of a linguist who compiles a list of how to say "Fuck the border" in 69 languages would be very helpful. Cheers, Kla'quot 03:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Good luck...

...on your dissertation! Hope it goes better than the paper for you know who's language! :-) And welcome back too! To complicate things, I think the Tajik WP should be in all three alphabets. Interesting, I can't believe I actually understood some words, reading a Persian-like language, in a Cyrillic script! Me, August is my favorite month. Sorry it had to end! :-( •NikoSilver• 21:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe they should try the Greek alphabet to make them four. Hope you get that distinction too! PhD? I wish I had your patience with education! Didn't even go for masters. My egoistic part wanted it for self-confirmation. Thank God, the materialistic part doesn't regret it! The time not spent there was precious. Literaly. •NikoSilver• 23:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

So you finished your thesis? Congrats! What was it about? - I'm finally starting the big rewrite and reorganisation of the Greek language articles I'd suggested couple of months ago. Looks like a big heap of work... Fut.Perf. ☼ 23:21, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Re you like the new tables in Macedonia (terminology) or what? •NikoSilver• 00:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Well done Francis Tyers, M.Sc. :-) --   Avg    02:03, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Irish

Hi, I remember you telling me that Irish is currently an official language of the EU (and you cited a source). According to Languages of the European Union though, it becomes official on New Year. So is it, or isn't it official now? --Telex 12:58, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

It is not official yet. See the arrangement I made at: Template:Official EU languages.--Michkalas 14:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Help Mr.Academic

Do you have any access to any of these? I am sure they can remove the only remaining {fact} tag from our lovely article... •NikoSilver• 12:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Help Mr.Admin

...be careful with the color this time, though! :-) BTW, did you check your mail? And, as it seems we have some more Macedonians around, your opinion on the last comments in that talk will be of value...•NikoSilver• 15:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Oooops! Check again tomorrow, sorry! •NikoSilver• 15:30, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Second opinion

go here

Organized labour stubs

Hi Francis. Previously you commented on the Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/September/2 discussion about trade union stubs. That process has been closed and re-started at Misplaced Pages:Stub types for deletion/Log/2006/September/11. Cheers.--Bookandcoffee 18:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Tajik grammar

Could you please explain to me the difference between "Tajik grammar" (whatever that may be) and normal Persian grammar, as being used in Iran and Afghanistan?!

You have simply copied certain words from a certain source. Yet, I guess you do not know that what you have written is exactly the same as in Persian proper.

The only difference is that you simply "translated" the cyrillic letters into latin letters, instead of using the normal latinized transliteration of perso-arabic script.

"Tajiki cyrillic transliteration" --> kitobho latinized transliteration of Perso-Arabic --> kitābhā

"Tajik grammar" --> man kitob-ro mekhonam (I read the book) Persian proper --> man kitāb-rā mikhānam

There is absolutely no difference ... the only differences may be certain pronounciations, which is very normal in every language (American pronounciation is sometimes totally different from Australian or Brittish pronounciations).

Tājik 11:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The problem is the transliteration you are using. The Persian language (including the Tajiki dialect) use both "o" and "ā". The "o" in Persian is pronounced like the "o" in English proper, for example like the "o" in "tomato". The word "kitāb" (book) does not have such a letter. The "ā" is pronounced like the "a" in "ball" or "dark" - it is different from "o". Basically, you have simply copied from a certain source which is wrong. I am a native Persian-speaker, and I speak the eatsren dialect which is popularly known as "Dari" or "Tajiki" - so you can trust me.

Many Tajiks nowdays use an "o" when "translating" from cyricllic script into the latin script, because in the cyricllic script, this "ā" sound is written as an "o". The Perso-Arabic script has its own special letter for this sound: آ. The correct transliteration of this letter into latin is "ā" and not "o".

Tājik 12:03, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

BTW: the transliteration I am using is also used in the Encyclopaedia Iranica, which is an authroitative source. Tājik 12:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Shomā lafse Tājiki-rā yād dārīd? Because if not, then you are not the right person to edit the article ... Tājik 16:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I am not interested in cyrillic script ... I am a native Tajik-speaker from Afghanistan, and I prefectly understand Tajiki persian. However replaces the Persian "ā" sound with an "o" has absolutely no idea of the Persian language. Claiming that "Tajiki grammar" is different from Persian proper - as spoken in Iran, Afghanistan, and other Persian-speaking communities - is totally ignorant. There are bigger differences between Bavarian and the dialects of Meklenburg-Vorpommern than between Tajiki-Persian and Tehrani-Persian ... I'll revert your changes as often as needed, for your changes contradict the authoritative Encyclopaedia Iranica. Tājik 23:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe you should read (and listen to) this, and see what real experts have to say about this! Tājik 23:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Fran

Re, Re:Macedonia (terminology), I am thinking of adding some evidence of unofficial encouragement by the state. Namely schoolbooks, (prev. discussion here links from books here and here), and about governmental publications (prev. discussion here). I am thinking of smthng in addition to this paragraph of the article:

“

Extremist ethnic Macedonian nationalists of the "United Macedonia" movement have expressed irredentist claims to what they refer to as "Aegean Macedonia" (in Greece), "Pirin Macedonia" (in Bulgaria), "Mala Prespa and Golo Bardo" (in Albania), and "Gora and Prohor Pchinski" (in Serbia). Greek Macedonians, Bulgarians, Albanians and Serbs form the overwhelming majority of the population of each part of the region respectively. These fringe groups have received no official encouragement from the government of the Republic of Macedonia, especially since 1995 when a constitutional amendment was added stating that there were no territorial claims on neighbouring countries.

”

...that could continue like:

“

There are, however, indications of indirect encouragement through the promotion of the idea that the republic is the only liberated part of the broader region, in schoolbooks and governmental publications.

”

I'm not going bold before I discuss it. I'd hate to start (another) edit-war, so I am not posting it directly, but this sentence is sourced. Your opinion is of value. •NikoSilver• 20:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it really adds to the article. Unless you can perhaps contextualise it more. - FrancisTyers · 23:24, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, my point is that there is nationalistic endorsement through the name confusion itself. That's WP:OR though, but I am sure that anyone with half a brain can figure it out! See, when your name and falsified history is purposely identical to a broader region, and you advertise to your youth (schoolbooks) and govt publications stuff about "only part being liberated" and sizable minorities, then rightfully your people will think of "lost-fatherlands". Especially when those fatherlands have conveniently matching names! So what it adds, is an explanation to the exact last sentence of note #3. Now how am I supposed to contextualise that? Put citations in GFM's quote to justify it? :-) (PS. Goodnight, and see you here tomorrow) •NikoSilver• 23:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

So, what do you think? •NikoSilver• 09:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

You're right, it sounds quite OR'y. You could say something like:

Schoolbooks and government publications in the Republic show the country as part of an unliberated whole.

If of course the sources back that up. - FrancisTyers · 12:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

That constitutes indirect encouragement by definition. I'm sure that's not ORy. So how about my text above? •NikoSilver• 12:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have said "Schoolbooks and government publications in the Republic have shown the country as part of an unliberated whole. " - FrancisTyers · 12:37, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Sure, ok. How about starting the sentence with "However..."? •NikoSilver• 13:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Tajik grammar, FYI

I try to be polite, yet subtle when posting on debated talk pages, but if I wasn't very clear in my post on Talk:Tajik grammar concerning my position, it is that I'm fine with having two separate articles, and not fine with having an authoritative, I-know-what-I'm-talking-about-and-you-don't attitude (which you don't have :-) . –jonsafari 01:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I admit I have a hard time detecting humor and sarcasm in text format. I'm still not sure if you get my drift, so I'll just go right out and say it. I agree with your stance, and I was not calling upon you to act slightly more cooperative and humble. All of the references that I posted, and the vowel chart were to subtly nudge someone else, not you, to understand that 'o' and 'i' are in fact very common romanizations for Tajik. –jonsafari 23:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Please read Image_talk:Redcroatiamap.JPG and let me know what you think. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Healthcare in Cuba

Hi Francis, could you take a look at the above page. Ultramarine has reinstated the material you removed on that page referring to a US report. I just find that the US material reads like a propaganda piece, is of little worth, is unreliable, obtrusive and detracts from the page. The US report was constructed for such a purpose a few years ago, Ultramarine believes very strongly in its inclusion and has been adding it around various pages for many months, but I believe it is a disruptive element and throws these pages totally off balance. I can't imagine how far an editor would get if they sprayed the US articles with criticisms by the Cuban government.--Zleitzen 14:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

"ro" in Tajik grammar

The previous example was misleading. That "ro" doesn't mean "this" (it doesn't have any equivalent in English). The current example is fine (in terms of explaining the purpose of the '-ro'). If you want to use the previous Persian/Tajiki sentence, "kitob-ro khondam" means "I read the book" (not "this book"). In general, in a Persian/Tajiki sentence, "kitab" (without any determiner) means "the book" and "yak kitob" (or "kitobe") means "a book". Jahangard 19:54, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

About Misplaced Pages user William Mauco

Please comment. Greier 17:30, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Our good old friend

Hogeye's back and making pov edits on the anarchism template. Can you keep an eye on it? Why isn't he indef blocked yet anyways? Ungovernable Force 18:53, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Persian lexicon project

Thanks for checking out some of my old projects. I wrote up a fairly small machine-readable lexicon (~1300 words) for an undergraduate research grant related to a Persian morphology engine (Persian-PCKimmo), then decided to whip up a searchable and addable website frontend to it. It's all under a Free software license. I'm no lexicographer, as you can tell in the lexicon itself, and I haven't touched it lately. If you want to do anything to the lexicon, and/or the website frontend, by all means. Also, a native speaker living in Finland wrote a larger lexicon (also machine-readable), and he personally told me I'm free to incorporate it into my lexicon under a Free-software license, so that's also something worth checking out (website:, lexicon:). I wouldn't mind working on it some more if there was some interest from other people, hint, hint. But if not, that's fine too.–jonsafari 03:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll check out your links, when I get a round tuit. As for the Riazati thing, I've only referenced it indirectly since I unfortunately haven't been able to get a copy of it. It's also been referenced by some papers associated with the Shiraz project . Maybe someone from them (like Karine Megerdoomian) might have it if you can't get it directly from the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology. As far as I know Karine and I are about the only ones actively working on computational Persian morphology. –jonsafari 18:20, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The Lexicon Extraction Tool looks good. Do you have a Tajik paradigm file available? –jonsafari 19:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Could use your help

Francis, you said if I ever needed your help, to give you a shout. I need your help: my Floyd Abrams articles have been nominated for deletion. I explain the point behind them on the deletion page, but if you think this is important information I could sure use someone backing me up. I have spent so many countless hours working on it, that if it's deleted I'll have to taken an extended vacation from contributing, because I think it is very important. I'm all for deleting useless and vanity-fuelled articles, but this man is living history, and I took it upon myself to do this (after I read the book he gave me when I went to take his photograph for Misplaced Pages). I am writing a grant-proposal around the project; if it's deleted, well, that would hurt me a lot. Part of the problem is that we sometimes have on WP people who do not know about the subject matter making decisions about it. Hence, the first comment on the deletion page, "Floyd Abrams seems sufficiently notable." To anyone who knows anything about Free Speech, that would be an incredible thing to say. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Floyd_Abrams_and_the_Pentagon_Papers_case --DavidShankBone 03:29, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Good job

I got an edit conflict when I went to remove that personal info put on the page. You accidentaly took out some of my comments (including ones that were unrelated to the personal info) and so I put the ones that weren't tied to that back in. Ungovernable Force 18:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Also, watch Donnacha's talk and user pages, since I just removed warning templates placed there by that person. Ungovernable Force 18:38, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Internationalisation

Hi Francis. I did a little work today on the WikiProject Organized Labour/Internationalisation page. I hope it’s something like what you had talked about. I’ve been thinking about how to do this and I wanted to run an idea past you.

I really like the “article summary” thing, and if there was support for it, I was thinking that it could actually be a sub-page (i.e. Trade unions/summary) that was transcluded into the main page. That way it would be really easy to access when it came time to translate pages. I would set up a page that kept track of which pages had summaries, and which languages it had been translated into (which could also be sub-pages (Trade unions/summary/Tajik) if that would help).

What do you think? I’m not sure about the sub-pages of sub-pages, that might be more complicated than needed, but I think the Trade unions/summary has potential.--Bookandcoffee 01:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree about the sub-sub-page idea. It's one of those things that would get horribly messy and troublesome.

Think about the "/summary" sub-page idea for a day or two, then I'm probably going to bug you about it again. I like it because it makes the text transportable - and if we end up with a translation page for each language it's simple to keep the actual text of the summaries (or a link to it) on the page.

A table with proper names against translations sounds like a good straight-forward approach to me. It might be easier in the long run than a shorter list of translated keywords.--Bookandcoffee 03:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to boldly trundle ahead with some of this. I thought I'd set up the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Organized Labour/Summaries page, and an {{Article summary}}. Once that's done I'll put up the Trade unions/Summary and comments on the talk pages to get people thinking about it. I know that two people don't really make a consensus, so I guess we should take this conversation back to the project page, but I wanted to get things started so there is something concrete to work with - otherwise it's like herding cats to get anything decided.

I don't think the List of trade unions is very complete (only 56 countries listed out of +180), I know I didn't add the union pages that I started. I wouldn't mind updating it, I'll put it on my list after starting the summary page.

I like your table structure. I hadn't thought about the "native name" issue. We'll be double translating a lot of names won't we... --Bookandcoffee 18:36, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, there's a start. When you have a few minutes take a look at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Organized Labour/Summaries and {{Article summary}}. I haven't started the Trade unions/Summary yet - I thought I'd think about things for a day or two. There's an example of the tag working on one of my sandbox pages. --Bookandcoffee 21:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia (terminology)

I want your opinion in the last section (Wilkinson). Please read and comment. •NikoSilver• 12:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Hogeye's anarchism trees

Hogeye has one of his trees on Individualist anarchism. I started a thread on the talk page and removed it (which he put back in) and I would appreciate your help. Thanks. Ungovernable Force 04:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Strike action

I got it. There needed to be a colon before the {{FULLNAME}} when it was inside the article namespace so it didn't go looking for an actual template to call...--Bookandcoffee 09:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, no big rush, but I wrote a note to put on the project talk page about the Internationalisation and Summary pages. It has your name in it, so I didn't want to post it without getting you to look at it. User:Bookandcoffee/Sandbox. Does that sound reasonable?--Bookandcoffee 17:00, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

That's funny - that's exactly who came to my mind as well. I'll drop him a line.--Bookandcoffee 17:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

ahmadinejad

dude, lighten up. Parsecboy 16:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Engaging

I guess it's on. Thanks for not warning me. I seem to have returned the favor.   /FunkyFly.talk_  21:36, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Issues over copyright of Food Not Bombs logo

I would appreciate your feedback at Image talk:Food Not Bombs logo.png. Also see User talk:Nv8200p#Image:Food Not Bombs logo.png for more info. Thanks. Ungovernable Force 22:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

Regarding reversions made on September 24 2006 to Template:EU countries and candidates

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future.

The duration of the block is 24 hours. William M. Connolley 08:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Ouch, that was a close call. Even I had no idea that version pre-existed. I was asleep when all of that happened. Now why on earth did FF and you have to bring all this to that point? I guess we have to be really carefull with all previous versions when we engage in this sort of s***. OTOH, I kinda understand FF, as I'm sure that he was aware of that version and had calculated that you'd be unable to revert him after his third one. I hope you and FF will manage to put that behind you. •NikoSilver• 11:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

One of those reverts is actually an edit . If I were Francis I'd remove that block on my own, it's clearly abused. Miskin 23:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

NO Fran, NO, don't please...

Please take that back. :-( You'll make me suffer from endless insomnia! •NikoSilver• 19:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I certainly don't intend to "leave". :) - FrancisTyers · 19:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

You needn't take that so heavily. It was a close call. You deserve being an admin more than some other admins I've seen that try to hang on their adminship. On a lighter note, I'm glad that you don't intend to leave; especially now with my insomnia... I need someone to talk to every now and then! •NikoSilver• 19:55, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

If I can add my voice to that of Niko, please, please PLEASE don't cease being an admin! The Balkans and the similar problematic areas you cover need an admin that knows what they're speaking about, and you know how few the admins covering the area are, especially as good as you! Please, don't take hasty decisions.--Aldux 20:34, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I don't know if it's too early, but I'm sure you'll have to put one of those little machines with the precedence numbers they have in banks and supermarkets for this, so I decided to announce it right now: Despite the fact that we've confronted each other often, I'm re-nominating you in the next few days. Now shut up and don't argue with me on this! :-) •NikoSilver• 20:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, you're always free to do what you want, but I really don't think you should do this if your only reason was that 3RR. Everyone overlooks things sometimes, and you are a definitely needed to block wolfstar socks on anarchism. Oh well, do what you want, but I personally would prefer that you not do this. Oh, btw, I talked to Keith McHenry today over the phone, who is one of the original founders of Food Not Bombs and created the logo. It's free for anyone to use, I just need to find out how to confirm it here on wiki, since my word probably isn't good enough. Ungovernable Force 01:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey, what's going on here? All the place gone crazy suddenly? People desysopping themselves over Macedonia-related sillinesses, of all things? Please do tell me you're not going to go through with this. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind words on my RfA, but I'm not here because of that. Even if I occassionally accused you for WP:POINTitis, you really really went too far this time. Like Niko said, we can keep on renominating you until the things get back to the status quo (fulfilling our part of WP:POINT :-) ). Duja 12:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of points, I was in Berlin yesterday, and I certainly would have climbed the Reichstag in protest, with or without my Spiderman costume, had I known what was going on here. What else can I do now to get my point across? Oh wait... how about edit-warring on Macedonia until I get myself blocked too? I have half a mind to... Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Man, I'll tell you what: We all revert each-other and then report each-other to lose our block virginities. That will make you feel better; won't it? PS: See User talk:Pmanderson#Hi Sept and comment about the map.•NikoSilver• 16:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL! :D I'll take a look at that now. - FrancisTyers · 17:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

An alternate approach is that Francis proposes both of you for adminship. In this way, you will also be able to take admin advantages in the edit dispute, and your eventual climbing the Reichstag in Spiderman suit will carry more weight. Besides, you will be able to block each other without outsiders' involvement. Duja 19:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Francis, revoke the jebeni de-sysop request and get some sleep. Pardon my serbo-croatian. BTW, checkout my userpage if you think the people here are not mad enough to nominate you for adminship once a week. --Dijxtra 22:12, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria needs you

Francis, we have a problem which we can't solve on Transnistria. It is a play-by-play copy of the exact same problem which we had there 6 months ago, and it involves the same main character. You were the only one who helped us solve us, and since then, we had peace for 6 months. See your action here ]. I tried to do the exact same thing, and explain why, but since I am a party to the conflict it was not seen as a constructive edit but was immediately reverted just minutes later; quite predictably. I am therefore asking you to please come back and do a repeat of your 11 March masterstroke. I fear that this is the only way we can bring consensus, just as before, because the same person is involved with the exact same modus operandi. - Mauco 23:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

HTH

I mean, I was flabbergasted. I don't think I've made a single template edit other than vandal-fighting... The Land 13:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

What's going on?

You're an administrator. A 3RR block, even heavier accusations of Macedonism - what has being going on with you lately, Franics??? --HolyRomanEmperor 18:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Unprompted advise

Hi Francis, I have been around for just over a year. We have only met a few times, so I canot really say I know you well. In any case, I would like to ask you to reconsider your position. If you are thinking that you may have got drawned into edit wars or got far too involved on an issue, why do not you try leaving it aside for a while instead asking to be de-sysoped? Personally I think it makes more sense and you can prove yourself you are level-headed. I believe that wikipedia will still benefit from your presence either as an admin or a normal editor but I do not think there is a reason for wanting to stop being an admin. You have proved yourself in the past. Well, these are my two pences. Have a nice day, Asterion 07:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Welcome!

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To follow up on the free advice given by Niko, let me point out here that it is generally regarded as highly inappropriate for newbies with less than 500 (or even less than 5!) edits to run for adminship. So, don't you dare. But do give me a call if anybody should attempt to bite you. Again, welcome to Misplaced Pages! Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:08, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh mate! Welcome back! -- Szvest 11:16, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I want my dang T-shirt. And join us in #wikipedia. >:( — Nearly Headless Nick 11:18, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

It is suspected that this user might be a sock puppet or impersonator of FrancisTyers. Please refer to contributions for evidence. See block log and current autoblocks.

Huh? "rm cats"? Why did you "remove the cats"? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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My bad, sorry. I'll readd them: Duja 11:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

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I've been trying to locate the scientific term, but there doesn't seem to be any Category:Users with block-virginity sewn. :-) •NikoSilver• 11:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

And here's what I get for joining the Category:Wikipedians not wanting Francis to be desysoped campaign: . At least you can't say we aren't prepared to suffer for our convictions. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Eh, seriously now, there's not much sense us putting you up for RFA, as long as all you need to do to become an admin again is to just say the word (new account or no new account). So, simple question: how many of us do you want to sign the petition before you say it? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:30, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Changing your username

Hi. We have been informed that you might want to change your username (here). In order to have your contributions reassigned to your desired new name, you need to post a request at WP:CHU. Follow the instructions at the top of the page, and a Bureaucrat will go over your request. Cheers, Redux 01:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, currently it is not possible for Bureaucrats to merge edits made from different accounts, or reassign edits made anonymously (that have been assigned to an IP address). We can only rename existing accounts to a new name that is not taken in the database. You appear to have made only a handful of edits from the IP address though, so perhaps a simple note on the IP's talk page identifying it as yours would suffice -- and you can still have your account renamed, so that all the edits assigned to this account will be reassigned to your new username. The only thing you could try to do, although I anticipate it would be difficult to get someone to do it, is try to contact a developer -- Developers have the ability to merge edits and reassign edits from IP addresses by editing the database directly; in fact we used to have a forum for such requests, but the service has been discontinued. Redux 15:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Oh, both names already exist as separate accounts? That would pose a problem for a rename. As I mentioned, we can only rename to a name that is not taken in the database. If you would like to have the edits of one of them reassigned to the other, and being that you control both, you need to post with both accounts at WP:CHU, requesting that one of them be renamed to something else, in order to free that name in the database. Then it will be possible to rename the other account to that other name. Or you may forgo a rename altogether, if you just prefer to stick to present state of affairs.
If you prefer to keep editing with both, it is advisible to disclose one of the accounts as being a legal sockpuppet of the other account, or it may end up blocked for impersonation, or sockpuppetry. Generally, it's best to have only one account, unless you have a need for a second one (see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet). Redux 16:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

List of trade unions

So the List of trade unions is now updated if you still wanted to use it for your translation list. It also has a number of red-link names in it, I don't know if that affects your plans or not. Just as a thought, would using Infobox Union - what links here provide a cross-reference for which pages have usable info?--Bookandcoffee 01:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Animal rights

I noted that you indicated interest in joining this project as a proposed project. I thought you'd like to know that it is now active, and is at the page above. Maybe you'd like to sign on there. As it is active, it's being removed from the list of proposed projects. Badbilltucker 23:50, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Articles by Tantug et al.

Was that you on #wikipedia just now? This URL has publicly available papers though not the exact one you asked about. http://people.sabanciuniv.edu/oflazer/pubs.html EdJohnston 17:11, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Virginity huh?

Happy now? :-) •NikoSilver• 14:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, what do you think of the following quotes from the text:

• In the last hundred years, four Eastern Anatolian groups—Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, and Greeks—have fallen victim to state-sponsored attempts by the Ottoman authorities or their Turkish or Iraqi successors to eradicate them. Because of space limitations, I have concentrated here on the genocidal sequence affecting Armenians and Kurds only, though my approach would also be pertinent to the Pontic Greek and Assyrian cases.
• By ridding themselves of the Armenians, Greeks, or any other group that stood in their way, Turkish nationalists were attempting to prove how they could clarify, purify, and ultimately unify a polity and society so that it could succeed on its own, albeit Western-orientated terms. This, of course, was the ultimate paradox: the CUP committed genocide in order to transform the residual empire into a streamlined, homogeneous nation-state on the European model.

Now I can't access that PDF easily now (it's a large file and I'm on a 44 kbit/sec connection at the moment), so if you want to say something to me, you'll have to quote it. I got the extracts above from the article's talkpage. --Tzekai 17:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Losing my patience

Francis, i'm losing my patience with the way things are going in Pontian article. Every source we provide is criticsed in any way possible i.e. "non-explicit", using a book review of Midlarsky to say he is "genocide tolerant"!, asking for Mazower to be removed, saying Levene "is ours" etc. This article will get nowhere. Are they even going to attempt to explain how these events unfolded? No because they cant. There simply is not enough research for them to build a credible article from, so the whole article has degenerated into a "this author says genocide, this author dosnt say genocide but maybe means it, and this country says genocide" etc etc Ok, but is anyone going to explain how, who, where and what on earth happened to these Pontians, or are we going to shout genocide all day...

Some of the same editors have gone over to the Pan-Turkism article, and asked that i provide sources that Turkish Cypriots can understand Turks from Turkey! What kind of task is this? I told them i am Turkish Cypriot, and i understand, they basically said i have to get a source to prove i understand! Its becoming a farce, it seems no one is interested in creating an article, only in making a nationalist point. I'd appreciate if you could keep an eye on the article, at least both sides of the dispute agree we can only really solve this with a third party around. Thanks, --A.Garnet 17:43, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

You have to give an article time to improve. All you seem to care about is the title, and once that's changes, you'll probably ditch the article and not care less what becomes of it (in other words, it seems that you're pushing an agenda, not trying to improve the article). I think the article has significantly improved over today since it was unblocked, and I think a fully detailed account of what happened to the Pontians can be drawn from the reports of the NGOs who have dealt with the topic, namely the International League for the Rights and Liberation of Peoples and the Australian Institute for Holocaust and Genocide Studies. You criticize sources a lot too, you know, criticizing how academic each source etc.

What we're trying to do now, is sort out the title, something which seems to be your top (and only) priority. If you drop the title issue for now, and let everyone deal with the history of the events (and maybe participate yourself a little if you honestly care about the article explaining how these events unfolded). One thing at a time, you address the title issue, and once everyone else does, you complain no one's doing anything to the rest of the article!

As for Turkish Cypriot, as I've said, that passage is sourced, and extremely likely. Cypriot Greek is largely incomprehensible to speakers of Yunanistan Rumcası.--Tekleni 18:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

No remark #3 here

...so I suppose I can ask: Did you receive the e-mails I sent you?•NikoSilver• 19:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Maraba Photo

Hi Francis,

I'm trying to work on your comments about the photo but am having trouble eliminating the white glare from the glossy black surface. Would you recomment using sunlight or room light to achieve the effect, and is there anything I can adjust on my digital camera (a Canon Ixus), or post-editing I can do to improve matters? Cheers — SteveRwanda 16:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Healthcare in Cuba

Hi Francis, I've reached the point where I just can't deal with editor Ultramarine - without blowing a gasket. I have dealt with this editor on a number of other pages leaving what were formerly decent pages now unsatisfactory, unclear, poorly presented and usually with a POV tag on the top. The editor can only seemingly edit through one narrow point of view, provides minimal communication when making large scale edits, has a completely one-sided view of the editing process (will question a source he/she doesn't like to it's minutae whilst willfully adding unsourced original research elsewhere ), refuses to abide by referencing formats, and seems unable to get a perspective on how to actually present information. Thing is, I'm not going anywhere, and will still be editing on wikipedia and that page for the foreseeable future. But I quite simply cannot communicate with this editor. Either I'm wrong on this - and I've been accused of bias from both sides of the Cuban debate whilst making my 2000+ edits on Cuban subjects see here and here - or Ultramarine is wrong. Reading this rfc and this arbitration where I see a familiar pattern - I think it is Ultramarine's approach that is wrong. To avoid things turning nasty, I could badly do with some external input into the page. Because judging by Ultramarine's previous form and lack of communication - a drip-drip edit war could go on for a long time.--Zleitzen 02:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Opinion needed

Hey, there is a bit of an edit war going on in the external links section of The World Can't Wait and Revolutionary Communist Party, USA. The talk pages of each include the relevant info (although posts keep getting removed, so you may need to look in the history. It seems to me that User:In the Stacks has an axe to grind with Chuck Munson (which appears to be mutual) and as such is refusing to allow any links to infoshop.org. This isn't going anywear, so I thought I'd ask you to take a look. Ungovernable Force 04:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for returning to the Healthcare article. Eventually some rational editing should surface - I really need to get other editors involved - and the article can be reduced back to the key concise points and properly presented without this bloated rubbish. I'd also be grateful if you could take a look at an article I've been writing practically alone : British African-Caribbean community and give me any thoughts or tips. The fact that I have had to write it almost alone for months says something about the demographics of wikipedia - such an important subject is almost ignored. I have a couple more paragraphs to write and I could really do with some pictures but it'd be good to get this to featured article status for many positive reasons. --Zleitzen 09:34, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Boo

Heya, I decided to come back. :) I'll be just looking around, doing minor stuff, and try not to get dragged into pointless debates on stupid details. How've you been? Anything interesting happen on wikipedia these past few months? Just drop me a message if there's anything I should know, I'll probably get on IRC sometime too. BTW, if by the time you're reading this, my user page still hasn't been deleted, could you do it? Thanks :) -- infinity0 00:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Terminal macedonology

Kindly check the talk there (Talk:Macedonia (terminology)#Dates) •NikoSilver• 21:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

CHRISTIANITY and Slavery

Thanks i think it needs to be developed, I am trying to add the race dynamics thing to the critic of Christianity thing because they have written so many pages, but forgotten to discuss race-domination in religion--Halaqah 14:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello Francis

Hello Francis,

I hope everything you're ok. I was checking your qualifications and what's interesting is that from software engineering you have jump to a different subject, linguistics, to do your master's. My question is—can you do such jump from a science or engineering barchelor to a humanities master's—I hope it's not too personal. take care. Ozgur Gerilla 01:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello again,

Thank you very much for the information. I am interested in history, literature and language so it has to be one of those. I've did a little research and found MA in Turkish (combination of literature and language) in SOAS — spoke to the teacher and she said when you finish your barchelor come and see me. But I'm not sure if I would like to do Turkish for my master's. I got some time to decide the course but I'm sure I want to move from engineering/science to humanities. So how is your studies going? do you find linguistics interesting? Ozgur Gerilla 10:05, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

That's very impressive of you—a PhD is quite difficult. I use MSN for instant messaging—just pass on your email or tell me to write mine. Ozgur Gerilla 23:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Is says: "This user has not specified a valid e-mail address, or has chosen not to receive e-mail from other users." for you :) you must be offended :P Ozgur Gerilla 12:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Need your view here

Occupation of Izmir. Users disputing the title, saying its not occupation, saying you cant occupy your 'own'. Saying cant prove Izmir was the Ottomans Empire etc etc. I've told them clear Francis, if they cant provide any sane reason, then i will remove the tag in two days. I'm not going to allow these articles to come to a standstill on the back of these ridicolous arguments. --A.Garnet 13:22, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

George Armstrong Custer in popular culture

I'd removed the PROD. All items in Category:In popular culture were created to move the crap away from main articles.

If deleted, the games and TV shows and Homer Simpson references will sneak into the article again and the cycle will repeat itself. Pavel Vozenilek 22:14, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre

This case is now closed and the results have been published at the link above.

Guy Montag is banned from articles which relate to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Guy Montag's Probation under the terms of Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Yuber#Guy Montag placed on probation is extended to include one year from the final date of this decision. KimvdLinde and other administrators are encouraged to effectively enforce Guy Montag's Probation in appropriate circumstances. Should Guy Montag violate any ban imposed by this decision he may be blocked for an appropriate period. All blocks are to be logged at Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Deir Yassin massacre#Log of blocks and bans.

For the Arbitration Committee. Arbitration Committee Clerk, FloNight 00:42, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Request for comment and help

Francis, could you please comment on Talk:Armenia regarding the recent disruptions. I need a neutral opinion whether my characterization of User:Caligvla's edits as racist and disruptive is correct or not.--Eupator 18:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Muchas gracias

Hey Francis, thanks a lot for supporting me in my recent RfA. It succeeded, and I am very grateful to all of you. If you ever need help with anything, please don't hesitate to ask. Also, feel free point out any mistakes I make! Thanks again, —Khoikhoi 04:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW, thanks for that great nom as well. ;-) —Khoikhoi 04:15, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Antrarctic photos

Hi, Francis.

As you know the Soviet-PD tag is deleted on Commons and En-wiki and the images tagged by this license are about to be deleted very soon. I was trying to reupload a few of your Antarctic images on en-wiki using fairuse licenses but the image people are asking where the images came from and I do not know what to answer. Please check my talkpage fro the Orphanbot notices related to your images and give me a hand. Also you might want to transfer from Commons some other of your images. Alex Bakharev 07:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, for the reference!. Currently the image people have problems with Image:Stantsija_mirnyy.jpg and Image:Geophysics house at molodozhnoy.jpg that does not appear to be there Alex Bakharev 13:38, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

I understand your feelings ( and share them too). Alex Bakharev 13:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

nationalism

i inform you about nationalistic and flamer vandalism in Dinko Ranjina article .--PIO 14:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Occupation of Izmir

Hi Francis, the article has been tagged and nominated for deletion. I dont believe it meets the criteria for deletion, as an admin you probably know better. Could you please leave your view on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Occupation of İzmir. Thanks, --A.Garnet 18:28, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

again nationalism

I inform you about again nationalistic and flamer vandalism in Dinko Ranjina article and message in my discussion : will you block this vandal?--PIO 13:30, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Renewal_efforts_of_the_Ohrid_Archbishopric

Moved to that other place

Deletion of Macedonism in wikiquote

Since you moved the quotes from the main article to Wikiquote, maybe you should get involved.   /FunkyFly.talk_  17:29, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

BTW this was funny ;-) we also have that proverb in Greek: όταν λείπει η γάτα χορεύουν τα ποντίκια ().--Tekleni 19:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hope you're having a good time over in RoM? Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Hope you check your e-mail while you're still there. •NikoSilver• 22:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course he will - how else will he receive the confirmation that Mr Crevenovski transfered his paycheck into his Swiss bank account?--Tekleni 00:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

You agenda...

What are you going to FYROM for? To receive your paycheck, maybe? Hellenic Secret Services must be informed about your activity, Mr "Francis Tyers" (if that is indeed your real name). Who's financing you, what are your goals (I think both of those are pretty obvious)? :p --Tekleni 00:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Garmis and Civil War of Tajikistan

Could you please take a look at these pages and the corresponding talk pages? Jahangard 03:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

A belated thank you

Hey, Francis, TS has a star now, and I wanted to thank you for all the help, and specifically for those nice, clean External links. Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Tourette syndrome The other situation also seems to have subsided. I hope you're well, regards, Sandy (Talk) 16:37, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Armenia

Looks like we are comming close to a compromise. You can check in on the issue here. http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Walton_monarchist89#Straw_poll-Armenia

thanks, --Caligvla 16:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

The reason I conducted the strawpoll on my talk page was because, as User:Caligvla's official advocate, I am trying to negotiate a compromise on this controversial issue. However, if you wish, I am quite happy for you to copy the strawpoll to the Talk:Armenia page, so as to throw it open to those not directly involved in this dispute. Walton monarchist89 12:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the strawpoll. I have now announced the closing date and time. Walton monarchist89 14:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support!

Se la face ay pale, la cause est... 23:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'm a bit pale in the face now, it's because of the amazing support during my recent request for adminship and because of all those new shiny buttons. And if in the future my use of them should not always be perfect please don't hesitate to shout at me any time, sunset, noon or sunrise.

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Yerzhan Ashykbayev

Hi, if you have the time I would like your input on whether to delete the article on Yerzhan Ashykbayev, the Foreign Ministry spokesman of the Government of Kazakhstan. Thanks, KazakhPol 18:35, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, KazakhPol 20:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Anthropology project

I have communicated with The Ungovernable Force regarding the proposed anthropology project which you indicated an interest in, and have gotten the OK from him to move the project into wiki-space and make it active. He indicated that he is busy in school right now, but will be as active as he can be given that. The project page as it now exists is only a minimum page, and could use the input of interested parties such as yourself. Personally, I did noticably poorly in the one cultural anthropology class I took in college, so I'm bowing out of this one, but wish you and the other members of the project the best of luck with it. Thank you. Badbilltucker 21:45, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

NK stub

Hi Francis. I nominated Template:Nagorno-Karabakh-stub for deletion, as we have such templates only for the internationally recognized states. Could you please have a look at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. Regards, Grandmaster 13:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

SFRJ

hey Francis :) Sorry, I misunderstood the purpose of the flags, I thought that we were showing all of the country flags that existed after the war, and not just after 1992. My suggestion would be to add another column of flags, where the country flags that changed after 1995 and 2006, but were previously part of SFRY, should also be listed. What do you think? :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 23:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information, I have asked the people participating in the WikiProject for help. :) --GOD OF JUSTICE 23:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Armenia strawpoll

NB This poll has now closed, it being Friday 10th November and about 10.30am where I live. The numbers are as follows:

• Support 6 (although User:Hamparzoum's existence has been disputed by User:Tekleni.
• Neutral 1.
• Oppose 10.

As such, no mandate has appeared for making the requested changes to the article. As previously advertised, Caligvla and I are taking a break from this dispute for a week. After this, the case may be taken to the mediation cabal, although I hope to avoid this eventuality. Walton monarchist89 10:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Tajikistan

I was wondering if there are enough interested editors to start this project. Are you interested? Jahangard 19:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Old Macedonian

Do not remove the term "Old Macedonian" from Old Church Slavonic. The term is used in the major English-language handbooks (Lunt, Schmalstieg, Nandris, IIRC Gardiner too), since Sts. Cyril and Methodius were from (Greek) Macedonia and OCS is based on the vernacular of Thessalonica. The term and the scholars who use it (in some cases preceding 1945) are unconnected to contemporary polemic about the Republic of Macedonia. CRCulver

Why should I add the term to the Macedonian terminology article? "Old Macedonian" when used by those scholars for OCS has nothing to do with the modern people identifying themselves as Macedonians, it's a term for a Slavic vernacular spoken to the south in the 9th century. I'll source it for the OCS article later on today, but I fear even sensible and sourced information will all too often get deleted by people thinking the term means something it doesn't. CRCulver 11:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Ataturk

Hi Francis, can do with your help on the Ataturk page please. User wants to create a section insinuating Ataturk was responsible for genocide of Armenians and Pontians. Thanks, --A.Garnet 20:46, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

World War II in Vojvodina

I am against merging of the two articles because they speak about two very different events. While goal of Axis occupation troops was simply to eliminate population of "wrong ethnic origin", the goal of partisans was to eliminate population of "wrong political affiliation". Although, one of the events was indeed consequence of another, it is best that both of them have their own separate articles. Also, the "Occupation of Vojvodina" article have see also section where is a link to "1944-1945 Killings in Bačka" article, so anybody could go there to read that article too. Problem is that killings in 1944-1945 are not the only consequence of the 1941-1944 occupation, thus any possible new section of the article speaking about consequences should mention all consequences, not only those killings in Bačka. PANONIAN (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Closure of one of the district offices of Transnistrian Communist Party

Hi, Francis. I have a dispute with Mauco at Transnistria talk page and I know you are one of the persons Mauco asked you previously to mediate disputes on this subject. The subject of the dispute is that Transnistrian authorities closed the Rîbniţa office of Transnistrian Communist Party. I want to include this fact in the article, as I consider it a proof for the lack of democracy in Transnistria, and Mauco disagree. Please look at this and share your thoughts.--MariusM 10:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the bulk of the discussion is here: Talk:Politics of Transnistria. I have asked MariusM to prove relevance, which he hasn't done. He is trying to steer this particular edit into an overall discussion of democracy in Transnistria, and is avoiding my direct, specific questions. He is also calling me a vandal, accusing me of vandalism. A third opinion might be helpful before we both get blocked for what could quickly turn into yet another 3RR event. - Mauco 13:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Could you...

Could you please close my Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Ottoman Muslim casualties? I withdrew my nomination for deleting it. -- Clevelander 15:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Clevelander 15:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

State terrorism

Hi Francis, could you take a look at the shenanigans I have uncovered on List of acts labelled as state terrorism sorted by state - and elsewhere in the State terrorism area. Whilst removing a section of original research relating to Cuba some time ago, I noticed that 95% of the page carried original research. Having cut the material down to the sourced bone, still quite generously in my view, every time I turn my back, it creeps back. User:RaveenS has been very active on the subject of state terrorism throughout wikipedia, being involved in numerous templates, pages and categories - which have been rightly challenged by others who have also noticed this liberal use of WP:NOR and WP:V. Incidentally, RaveenS is supported by various anon accounts who share the same view and editing pattern. --Zleitzen 16:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Coprolalia

Francis, given your language experience, I was hoping you would know - or would know someone who knows - about the changes just made to Coprolalia (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views). I need for someone to check on the Greek translations that were just inserted there: I have no idea if the info is anon IP vandalism or correct. Do you know of someone who can check? Thanks, Sandy (Talk) 19:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Done . Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks !! Sandy (Talk) 19:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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2. Patrides, Greek Magazine of Toronto, September - October, 1988, p. 3.
3. Simons, Marlise (February 3, 1992). "As Republic Flexes, Greeks Tense Up". New York Times.
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