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Yoko Ono was one of the Music good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

Article milestones Date Process Result November 7, 2005 Good article nominee Listed November 8, 2005 Good article reassessment Delisted February 7, 2014 Good article nominee Not listed March 28, 2014 Good article nominee Not listed April 11, 2014 Good article nominee Not listed April 29, 2014 Good article nominee Listed October 7, 2021 Good article reassessment Delisted Current status: Delisted good article

Written with the assistance of Ono's PR department?

Yes, seriously. It looks this way. Take the Relationship with the Beatles subsection as an example. The biscuit incident. The info was provided by a NYC based rock journalist (know anyone else based there?) who was not in the studio at the time and for all I know not even around at all. I have read elsewhere that this is what actually happened: all of the other three Beatles were upset about her continual presence in the studio and found it hard to work together. It had always been the four of them, plus producer, engineer, etc. Ono is recovering from injury, so has to lay on a bed 24/7, were led to believe. George goes up to the control room, from which he can observe the studio. Ono thinks she cannot be seen, gets out of bed and walks across to help herself to the biscuits. So we have the hypocrisy, the lying need to be in the bed and the disruption that Ono had brought to the studio. But in this article that biscuit incident is turned around so that George is put in a bad light. We have a journalist who was around at the time saying that having her in the studio all the time on the bed put a strain on the band, but reported by Misplaced Pages like this: journalist Miles "thought" that it caused problems. So yes, the article looks to me as if it were written by Ono's PR department. Boscaswell talk 22:31, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely agree. There is plenty of objective material out there, which is critical of Ono and which needs to be reflected. The view that she was divisive and a talentless charlatan has to be added to capture balance. Only about 4 lines in the current article mention criticism. Kentish 18:41 14 March 2023 (GMT) 86.3.134.204 (talk) 18:42, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

The article is fairly well-balanced. Please keep in mind that we don't follow a 50/50 balance: the article addresses criticism and public-perception. Anything more and it becomes non-neutral and editorializing. You're asking us to draw conclusions from that situation and that's not what we do. freshacconci (✉) 01:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Addition of Double Fantasy to the article narrative

I put most of this in my edit summary, but wanted to provide additional information and context here as well.

Ono's story is told narratively and chronologically throughout the article, yet when it reaches the time of the release of Double Fantasy, this album was completely absent outside of an oblique reference to John's inspiration for it. It serves to actually decontextualize John's shooting, and narratively it makes no sense. The article must spend at least an appropriate amount of time discussing Double Fantasy, a Grammy award winning Album that has been consistently ranked as one of the best of the 1980s.

Other corrections include adding additional context to who Sam Havadtoy was, as well as adding the detail above that of Yoko cradling John and her fear of assassination. Those two things both come from the same article/interview of Ono that brought up Sam Havadtoy - https://thegentlewoman.co.uk/library/yoko-ono . I hoped to replace this passive aggressive, negatively valenced sentence with something more balanced and appropriate. Finally, since I added information about Double Fantasy, I also added a small bit of information about the reappraisal of it in light of subsequent events.

Information about the album was taken only from the cited article here - https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/100-best-albums-of-the-eighties-150477/john-lennon-and-yoko-ono-double-fantasy-150731/ - and the existing article on Double Fantasy on this site.

Thanks to others who maintain this article, and sorry if my edits were not formatted or cited correctly. Boofasten (talk) 04:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

Children

Hi, I hope this is not an insensitive thing to bring up, but should we maybe mention that Ono and Lennon named and registered their dead sons in 1968 and 1969? The article refers to one miscarriage in 1968 but technically speaking this child would have been stillborn (or according to this book by Tim Riley the boy actually lived for a little while, not sure where he's getting that info from tho) and the child miscarried or stillborn boy in 1969 seems to have been registered and named as well. ★Trekker (talk) 01:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I hope I'm not being insensitive but this article is already too long and, like most Beatle-related articles, is filled with minutiae that is sooo irrelevant, like Lennon spent three hours in Timbuktu with cousin Roger. It's supposed to be an encyclopediac entry, not "everything I know about the Beatles" Hotcop2 (talk) 21:55, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

I understand what you mean but don't find pregnancy loss to be comparable to your example.★Trekker (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

"Art is like breathing for me..."

I can't find anything that isn't an "inspirational quotes" website or articles citing such websites as a source for this quote.

I can find a similar quote from X-Formerly-Twitter from Yoko Ono's account, which says "Art for me is like breathing. I have a need to do it." That's probably not nearly as impactful, and this seems to be a case of someone writing what they think Ono said somewhere and then it somehow being circulated as fact. Is it worth just removing the quote altogether? DenebDeNoob (talk) 10:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

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