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'''Ferdynand Ruszczyc'''
In responses to ]'s query of 22 October 2014 which I just saw, "Shall I shout after Yngvadottir for resque ?":
] - Bouquet with cat and mousetrap ]]
Yes!!! Does ] read Lithuanian? S/He could have translated directly from Lithuanian and done a lot better than this horrible translation and my efforts to put it into understandable English. ] (]) 22:50, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
:*Yes, I think she is the one. Or she know someone who does. ] (]) 22:58, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, Hafs. I was off-line for a few hours. When I got back on, I started working on this. I did see your other note. I'll get to the nominations page now. Hope you don't mind I mentioned Yngvadottir without asking you first. ] (]) 23:04, 24 November 2014 (UTC)


NO, no, she is the nicest possible admin - and you know her. ] (]) 23:47, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

:I know she's nice. I was just concerned that maybe I should have asked you first before I put a link to notify her to look here. I just made some copy-edits to the article ]. I love his paintings. I put just "Manigault" in the WP search bar and was taken directly to an article about someone else, a boxer I think. Shouldn't it go first to the disambiguation page? Then one should get choices, including the article on the artist. ] (]) 00:12, 25 November 2014 (UTC)



'''{{U|Hafspajen}}''' Do you still want more added to the ] article from this material? As you can see from my note in single square brackets just above, after I had spent time trying to put the translation from Lithuanian into good English, I moved to the Polish translation (in a section below) and found it much easier. I left blank spaces where I didn't know what was intended and a few questions. I thought ] would be able to fill in the blanks and answer some of the questions, but nothing has happened since then. Do you want us to work on this and then add to the article? ] (]) 00:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

::But of course I want to ad it. I was only waithing for it to be finished.... ] (]) 00:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

:::Oh, good. I did as much as I could from the material in your "Sadbox". I was hoping ] could fill in the blank spaces I left and answer a few questions. I think it would be better to work mainly with the Polish translation, below, at ] since I found it more comprehensible than the Lithuanian translation. ] (]) 00:09, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

::Well, if he didn't until now there is probably no hope, I remember him saying he was not particularelly interested in writing articles. Maybe someone else with language abilities can do that. ] (]) 11:43, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
: What do you think about {{U|CorinneSD}} ] (]) 11:57, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
::Well, I would have to know the story well in order to comment on the content of the addition, but, stylistically, it was not an improvement to add "particularly" when, just before it, the word "particular" is used. '''{{U|Sminthopsis84}}''' Perhaps you know the story and can evaluate this edit.

::*'''{{U|Sca}}''' Have you been ignoring this because you have no interest in it or because you think it is too big a task? I've already done about two-thirds of the work, putting a translation from Polish (and Lithuanian, but forget that because the translation was too far from standard English to make much sense) into standard English. I did as much as I could, but there were a few places where I couldn't make out what was intended. Perhaps you can, just by looking at the translation (it's in Hafs' "Sadbox"). If you can't figure it out, then perhaps you could look at the original Polish (I don't know where it's from; is it from the Polish WP?). Please, Sca. I put a lot of work into this, and a good article about an interesting artist could come out of it. It's not that I want any credit; I don't need that. I just hate to waste a lot of hours of work. ] (]) 15:49, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Corinne, did you read my below? I can't read Polish. But I'll look at it as a copy-ed if you provide a link to the 'sadbox.' ] (]) 15:58, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

==Stagnating translation from various Inter-Wiki articles==

=Translation from Lithuanian=

From 1882 Ferdynand Ruszczyc studied classical at the Minsk Lithuanian gymnasium / Minsk gymnasium in Lithuania / gymnasium in Minsk ,...........graduating with the institution's gold medal. After that he spent two years at the Faculty of Law in St. Petersburg , followed by five years at the Academy of Arts ,.............studying under Prof. F. Ruščica. In 1908 Ruszczyc moved from Krakow to Vilnius, Lithuania, where he lived on Bridge Street ............

===Early work/works===

......................While in his teens, Ruszczyc painted a clear sky in the background, his later paintings more often showed a cloudy sky, representing a change in mood and suggesting the constantly changing world / inner world / emotions...... One of his paintings was first presented in 1899 in Warsaw to critical acclaim. Viewers and art critics alike were impressed by his vivid, realistic but emotionally charged rural scene that evoked patriotic feelings among his countrymen. Viewers and critics admired both the technique and content of the painting. The following year, Ruszczyc's paintings were included in an exhibition celebrating Krakow's Jagiellonian University's 500th anniversary, after which Ruszczyc was unanimously elected ''krokuviškės'' -- a member of the Polish Artists Society . For many years ........ he exhibited his works at exhibitions of the Society and in Warsaw, Prague, Vienna, and London.

===Middle period===

In 1903 and 1904, Ruszczyc helped establish the Warsaw School of Fine Arts. While a professor at the School, Ruszczyc met and became friends with a student named Nicholas Constantine Čiurlionis. Both later lived in Vilnius. ........... In 1907, following the death of the painter Jan Stanislavski, Ruszczyc was was to head the Department of Fine Arts at Krakow Academy. He accepted, but disillusioned by intrigue and controversy within the school, soon resigned from the position.

In 1908 Ruszczyc settled in Vilnius where he became involved in the cultural life of the city. He organized events and became an and decorator ........He was an infuence upon the intellectual life of Vilnius. He was admitted to the secret Masonic lodge ......... He created covers for directories, magazines and other publications and became an accomplished graphic designer. Responding to the Arts and Crafts movement in Europe, he developed new publications and other design projects in which all design elements were integrated and balanced.

In his design work, Ruszczyc drew more from the past than the current industrial age.

....At the end of 1912, he started to amass an archive of urban photography, now called / OR: called .....the Jan Bulhak Artwork that captured many scenes of Vilnius. ............Another activity that marked Ruszczyk has an innovator was theater. WHO TRANSLATED THIS FROM LITHUANIAN? IT MUST HAVE BEEN A COMPUTER. THESE ARE NOT ANYWHERE NEAR ENGLISH SENTENCES, SO IT'S DIFFICULT TO KNOW WHAT WAS MEANT. ..............

In 1914, Ruszczyc was invited to Warsaw where he worked on the scenery for the drama ''Balladyna'' by J. Slovakis. The premiere was a success.

In the spring of 1915, after Vilnius was occupied by the Germans??? at the beginning of the First World War, Ruszczyk moved to Bogdanov where he stayed for three years. In 1919, upon the re-opening of the University of Vilnius at the end of the war, Ruszczyk ............ He put a lot of effort into ........ the local university and its art programs ........... Working at Bathory University until 1932, he served as Dean of the Faculty of Arts and as a member of the Senate. While there, he continued his design work, designing book covers, vignettes, stamps, and fundraising ........., and created individual medals and flags for various groups. He also helped organize and design two major exhibitions in 1921, including the first Polish exhibition in Paris. In 1928 he organized a regional exhibition in Vilnius ...........He worked on two major celebrations: one in 1922 marking the 400th anniversary of the canonizaiton of St. Casimir and one in 1931

===Awards===

In 1923, Ruszczyk was awarded an award of merit for the political Restituta Order in the district of Vilnius.



=Translation from Polish=

Ferdinand Rushchyts (December 10, 1870 - October 30, 1936 / 10 December 1870 - 30 October 1936) was a Polish painter, graphic artist, illustrator, designer and educator. He painted mostly landscapes and represented the Young Polish artistic movement. He made illustrations and designed vignettes, book covers, posters, bookplates and stamps. He also wrote articles about monuments in the Vilnius region.

===Early life / Early years===

The Ruszczców family ........... Ferdynand Ruszczyc's grandparents were Ferdinand and Anna from , about 30 mi. north of Minsk, Belarus — which in the late Middle Ages was part of Poland-Lithuania -sca''], who had nine children. Ferdynand's father, Edward, was a captain in the army of the Tsar and a graduate of Brest military school's Corps of Cadets. Ferdynand's mother, Alwin, nee Munch, was .....from Nexø on ] ........... The Ruszczyców family seat was landed property in Bohdanow that the family had as a result of repression after the January Uprising . ............................

According to the accepted practice in the courts of the Polish nobility, Ferdinand Rushchyts/Ruszczyc --- I think the Polish spelling "Rushchyts" is a better guide to pronunciation for English speakers than "Ruszczyc" -- was educated at home until the age of thirteen. In 1883 he was sent to a gymnasium. ................he studied drawing in Middle School in Minsk, graduating with honors in 1890. In the same year he began studying law at the University of St. Petersburg. He did not neglect his art education and attended lectures as an auditor at the St. Petersburg Academy of Fine Arts. Two years later, with the consent of his parents he resigned from his law studies and passed the entrance examination for the Academy of Fine Arts. From 1892 to 1897 he studied there under the guidance of Ivan Shishkin and Archippus Kuindżiego. He undertook study tours to the Crimea, France, Germany, Italy and Sweden. In 1897 he made his debut as an artist at the culminating exhibition at the Academy, and in 1900 his works were presented at the annual exhibition of the Academy.

===Career===

After graduating from the Academy in 1898, he moved to the family home at ] . In the years 1898 to 1902 he made a series of study trips to various cities including Munich, Berlin, Dresden, Paris and Venice. After returning from one of these trips, in 1898, he painted one of the most famous paintings of the Earth ................... Ruszczyc's first exhibition took place in Vilnius, Lithuania, in 1899. ............. Beginning in 1900 he was a member of the Society of Polish Artists. ......... In the same year he participated in an exhibition organized on the occasion of the 500th anniversasry of the Jagiellonian University. In 1903 he organized an exhibition ..............Starting in 1904 he was a professor at the Warsaw School of Fine Arts, and in 1907 he ..............On October 10, 1913 / 10 October 1913, at the age of 43, he married Regina Gina Rouck , a young woman of 22, or 22 years his junior ? They had six children: a daughter, Janina (b. 1914), a son, Edward (b. 1915), a son, Oscar (b. 1917), a daughter, Eve (b. 1922), a son, Andrew (b. 1926), and a daughter, Barbara (b. 1928). In the years 1916 to 1917 .........

===War years / Military service===

In 1918, Bohadanów was occupied by the Red Army. Rushchyts joined the so-called Volunteer Army and actively participated in the battles of the Vilnius region ................

===Later years===

He was co-founder and starting in 1919 served four times as Dean of the Faculty of Fine Arts at the University of Stefan Batory ............... In 1935 at that university he was given the title of Honorary Professor by the university's president Ignacy Moscicki. In 1932 he was partially paralyzed . Under the care of his daughter and his wife he returned to health but had lost the use of his right hand. He continued painting with his left hand. In 1933 he moved from Vilnius to the family home in Bohdanów where he died on October 30, 1936 / 30 October 1936. He was buried there in the cemetery where his grave can still be seen today.

===Awards and honours===

In 1921 the French government awarded him the Order of the Knight of the Legion of Honour, and in 1923 the Polish government awarded him the Cross of Commander of the Order of Polonia Restituta. He received many medals .............

==Huh?==
{{U|CorinneSD|Corinne}}, {{U|Hafspajen}}, what's up? I got a msg that Corinne mentioned me here twice. I thought I had answered some of the questions about Ruszczyc months ago (see notes in ital above). To recap:

* R was born in the village of Bogdanov (Polish: Bohdanów) in what is now Belarus. At the time it was in the Russian empire. The village, which apparently belonged to his family's estate, no longer exists. He was from a Polish noble family, so one may guess that Bogdanov/Bohdanów once was part of the ], dissolved in the ].
* Minsk is the capital of present-day Belarus. In R's time it was in the Russian empire, and later the USSR.
* Cracow is the English spelling of Kraków (pronounced ''Krah' koof''), which before WWI was in Austria-Hungary. It was capital of PL before Warsaw became the capital at the end of the 16th C.
* Vilnius (Polish: Wilno) was occupied by the German Army during most of WWI. R apparently retreated to the family estate at Bogdanov for the duration. After WWI Wilno/Vilnius became part of resurrected Poland.

Keep in mind that sca doesn't speak Polish, Lithuanian or Russian – he only knows a few words & phrases from each. But obviously, the "translation" of Ruszczyc from Lithuanian is a computer-generated travesty of English.

Lately I've been copy-editing ]. Slow going.

''Do widzenie...'' ] (]) 15:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

:'''{{U|Sca}}''' I'm so sorry, Sca. (If you didn't see them, my latest comments in which I mentioned you are near the top of this page.) It had been so long since I looked at this that I had either forgotten about, or not seen, your additions in italics. Thanks for those, anyway, and for the list of facts just above. '''{{U|Hafspajen}}''' I couldn't find your "Sadbox" that contains the translations from Lithuanian and Polish from which I worked to write what's on this page. Also, do you know any editor who speaks or reads Polish? ] (]) 17:13, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

::No worries. But hey, what's with my user-page stuff showing up here – but not showing in editing mode? Weird. Would like to delete it. ] (]) 17:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Well! Now it's gone – ?? ] (]) 17:22, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
::::It happened because I used a colon after "User" instead of a pipe after "U" when pinging you just above, and it took me a few seconds to figure out what I had done wrong. When I fixed the ping, it all disappeared. (Occasionally, I mix up the notification - User:User name in double square brackets -- with the ping - U|User name in curly brackets.) Sorry (again). ] (]) 18:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

=A Different project=
==]==

'''The following is paraphrasing from a link. See ].'''

During the years of his short life, Vincent van Gogh struggled to find meaning and love. Even though he was often surrounded by artists, he was a lonely man and often felt misunderstood. On the one hand, his imagination served him well as a painter but on the other, added to his mental illness, it magnified his interpretation of what people thought of him. He influenced and encouraged other artists and was influenced by them. He painted from 1880 to 1890. He was a prolific artist: 864 paintings and almost 1,200 drawings and prints have survived. He first painted in his native country, the Netherlands, then moved to France. He was in Paris from 1886-1888, in Arles in the south of France from 1888-1889. He spent the year 1889-1890 in Saint-Rémy trying to recover from mental illness. From May, 20, 1890, until his death, July 29, 1890, he was in Auvers-sur-Oise, a little village that was home at various times to such artists Armand Guillaumin, Camille Pissarro, Charles-François Daubigny, Jean-Baptiste-Camille Corot and Paul Cézanne. Throughout the months of May, June and July of 1890, van Gogh painted many paintings, including the fields and many of the peasants' huts in the area.

'''(Continued paraphrasing here. I struggled with this part. Feel free to revise.)''' ...He seemed to find the thatched huts especially fascinating. In a letter he wrote, "In my opinion, the most marvellous of all that I know in the sphere of architecture is huts with their roofs of moss-grown straw and a smoky hearth." His paintings were a personal representation of what he saw, and his emotions influenced, and are seen in, his composition (raised horizon, grouped houses, extensive fields, wavy trees), choice of palette (narrow, often luminous greens and yellows), and brushstrokes&nbsp;– "agitated and nervous brushstrokes which follow a waving and repetitive rhythm". - ] (]) 04:07, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

'''{{U|Hafspajen|Hafs}}''' and '''{{U|Crisco 1492}}''' Did you see this? I finished paraphrasing the big paragraphs Hafs placed on my talk page. It can be added right after the previous paraphrasing. ] (]) 19:05, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

very good, move to article. ] (]) 08:00, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

:] Move it to the article even though I'm not finished? ] (]) 16:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)


{{U |CorinneSD}} - oh, well, yes. Sorry about that. Is there any more material you worked on to add to Auvers? ] (]) 16:56, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

* {{U |CorinneSD}} - here. . ] (]) 18:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

:Oh...I just saw this. Will work on it in a few hours, O.K.? ] (]) 18:30, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Van Gogh's dedication to articulating the inner spirituality of man and nature led to a fusion of style and content that resulted in dramatic, imaginative, rhythmic, and emotional canvases that convey far more than the mere appearance of the subject.
Although the source of much upset during his life, Van Gogh's instability provided the frenzied source for the emotional renderings of his surroundings and imbued each image with a deeper psychological reflection and resonance.
Van Gogh's unstable personal temperament became synonymous with the romantic image of the tortured artist. His self-destructive talent that was echoed in the lives of many artists in the twentieth century.
Van Gogh used an impulsive, gestural application of paint and symbolic colors to express subjective emotions. These methods and practice came to define many subsequent modern movements from Fauvism to Abstract Expressionism.

Clear examples of Van Gogh's wide influence can be seen throughout art history. The Fauves and the German Expressionists worked immediately after Van Gogh and adopted his subjective and spiritually inspired use of color. The Abstract Expressionists of the mid-twentieth century made use of Van Gogh's technique of sweeping, expressive brushstrokes to indicate the artist's psychological and emotional state. Even the Neo-Expressionists owe a debt to Van Gogh's expressive palette and brushwork. In popular culture, his life has inspired music and numerous films, including Vincente Minelli's Lust for Life (1956), which explores Van Gogh and Gauguin's volatile relationship.

===Paraphrase of this last passage===

One of van Gogh's aims was to express "the inner spirituality of man and nature". His imaginative and dramatic paintings depicted more than simply the houses, trees and fields that were his subjects: with his impulsive brushstrokes and symbolic colors, they reflected his emotions and his inner psychological state. His methods and symbolic use of color expressing an inner emotional life influenced subsequent artists such as those in the Fauves and the German Expressionists, and the later Abstract Expressionists and Neo-Expressionists.

'''{{U|Hafspajen}}''' Hafs, what do you think of this paraphrase of the paragraphs just above it? ] (]) 03:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)



::* I think this exactly what was missing from the article. I mean tragic circumstances and all that, but he - in a way -won. He won, trough his art... He fought for his art. Yes, he was living in misery, poverty, - but in his art, he never compromised. He never gave up, he never started painting cute pink little bestselling works..... He fought, he payed the price - but he won. And this is the great thing about his art, and this is why his works are valued so extremely high nowadays. --] (]) 12:24, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

:::You could have gone ahead and added it to the article. I'll do that now. ] (]) 18:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)


::* But {{U|CorinneSD}}, I want you to edit that article too ... it has to be visible in the history... because people will check that when we co-nom. It should show... and it probably would be wise to make some kind of note about this page too, on the article talk. Otherwise somebody might say - oh, heh, you just let her sign the nomination, add a signature so she gets a new star while she never did a thing ... do you understand? Also, about Pilot's idea of involving more editors - it is '''nothing personal''' - but Adam, who is the coordinator and chief editor on the Featured part of the Signpost, has very precise ideas how he wants things - just check this - - and I think Adam was having a spat about :, ''I spent four hours editing it yesterday, revising almost every entry, most after consultation with the articles (some of which are terrible - a couple of the worst bits were '''directly from articles, which is rather annoying'''.'' And I am afraid, that Pilot's only reaction was removing the whole thing from his page and then - and I don't know how to make him realize this. He is a very nice person and I like him a lot, and some of his photos are brilliant. But sincerely I fail to make point in editing the Signpost, and I don't think the solution is he should ask someone else do his part. We are quite enough people to cope at Signpost, we have new people too like the new overall chief editor too, Gamaliel who started editing - and some others too, and ... I sincerely think that this is not the solution. We also got criticized for this by the overall chief editors, like Go Phightins! at Adam's talk for loosing our earlier easier approach and adding a lot of heavy info that is already in the article and that was of course happening because of all that copying text directly from articles... which we never do at Signpost, and never did before. <sup>
(Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:50, 30 January 2015 (UTC))</sup> And I also added '''Agree, .... trying to cover too much. I think people want to get their interest awaken, but not overpowered by too much academic information. Later, if they want, they can always look it up in the article later.... '''this discussion took place 30 January, and was a nice polite way of trying to solve this - but nothing happened. Since than the problem escalated, making Adam to withdraw from editing the Signpost - and that will not do. It will never function without him,and I am happy he returned to it. We had a tremendous problem coping at Signpost without him. ] (]) 14:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::OMG your claiming that I caused Adam to leave. I have had enough, and am shocked that you would blame this on me. {{ping|Hafspajen}} your full of shit. ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 06:40, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


:I hardly know what to say. I didn't take it personally when you suggested I not start editing ''Signpost'', but thank you just the same for saying it wasn't personal. I had no idea until I read this that all this was going on. Forgive me if I have misunderstood or missed anything. I'm writing this based only on what I read above. I don't know why ] removed that discussion from his talk page. I guess he felt criticized, or that a lot of blame for a poor ''Signpost'' edition was falling on him. (WPPilot, I've learned from experience that Hafs often has difficulty expressing exactly what is on his/her mind; it can come out sounding like one thing when the truth is something else, so I've often had to ask a few clarifying questions before I really understand what s/he meant; it's partly due to his/her less-than-native ability with English and partly, I think, because s/he is always in a hurry; Hafs is a ''wonderful'' person and editor; it's worth not jumping to conclusions and taking the time to try and understand his/her real meaning.) Hafs, I don't know how WPPilot got involved in ''Signpost'' to begin with, whether he was invited to, or offered to, contribute, but is it possible that he was given no, or very little, instruction on how to do it? If that was the case, then no one should get upset with him for not writing it as expected. On the other hand, I think WPPilot could use some help with writing. Perhaps it would be good if he wrote what he wanted and then let me, you, or Adam proofread and polish before submitting it to ''Signpost''. (You know I could learn what is required; I actually think WPPilot could, too.) It sounds like ''Signpost'' has certain parameters and style requirements that need to be learned; perhaps these were not explained to WPPilot before he started contributing. You and ] maybe assumed too much. Then, when he was criticized, he just said, "Forget it." I know you said you explained things to him, but this may have been done quickly, not in a step-by-step manner, with examples. I saw what Adam wrote, but I detected a tone of frustration, and it was written ''after'' the fact, ''after'' the ''Signpost'' was published or near the time of publication. If you want new contributors, I think time needs to be taken to train them. I don't know if WPPilot is still interested in contributing, but if he is, I think Adam needs to tell him clearly what is required, and WPPilot would have to be willing to follow the guidelines. Finally, I just want to say that ''Signpost'', while a regular on-line publication here on WP, is not equivalent to a publication by a major publishing company. It is, or should be, a group project of volunteer editors. Thus, it should not be expected to be perfect. There is value in allowing whoever is interested to contribute to the project, even if their contribution is not up to professional publishing standards. The collaboration process is important in and of itself. ] (]) 15:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
:::* But of course he felt criticized, I am not THAT stupid that I don't understand it. I also know he liked a lot to edit it and he was doing a good job as a newbeginner. Also possible that he was given no, or very little, instruction on how to do it - though when he was given some instructions, he was ignoring them largely. I would prefer not to start gathering more diff, because I don't have time, but there were remarks here and there. . Wish you wouldn't ping them though. I was trying to explain things for you privately, because I didn't wanted you to be offended. It was meant to you only. As for my difficulty expressing exactly what is on my mind ... well, no comment. But I stand my grounds and still say that we had enough problems with the new editors trying to cope - also - we need people who are fast, efficient, who can adapt and adjust, who can do things real fast and on their own without slowing down the process by keeping explaining them every step and spending a lot of time answering their questions, - and by the way - Xanty never get any specific instructions and he did everything right from ther beggining. And now I really don't have time with this any more. ] (]) 16:34, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::And I REALLY WISH SOMETIMES YOU WOULDN'T PING EDITORS that I try to avoid hurting. It was really unnecessary. How do you think he was supposed to react when reading this? https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Hafspajen&diff=650627654&oldid=650600246 ] (]) 16:44, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::This way now you succeeded to escalate something it was really unnecessary. If I had a mail, I could have mailed over everything. ] (]) 16:45, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Wish sometimes you could avoided pinging him, now he is hurt. I was TRYING TO BE DIPLOMATIC, bad English here or there. I am sorry I ever started this discussion with you, this was indiscreet involving him. I was trying to avoid hurting HIM and YOU. Now you succeeded to get everybody hurt. ] (]) 16:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


:::::'''{{U|Hafspajen}}''' I'm sorry, but when I read that last diff that you provided just above, it does not sound like WPPilot is hurt at all. It sounds like he thinks you (and perhaps also Adam) were being unreasonable. I don't think you have to worry that he is hurt. If editors are polite and honest with each other, there is little chance that anyone will be hurt. Even though you "hid" your comment to me here, there is always a chance that WPPilot would see it anyway. It's more respectful to notify him of the discussion than talk behind his back and have him come across it on his own. (All right, from now on, I won't ping editors again when it looks like you are writing only to me.) You wrote, above, that WPPilot "was doing a good job as a newbeginner". If that is true, then he would do better with time. He is aware that his writing is not great and looked for an editor who could help with writing. If you think even if he and I work together, we would not contribute in an efficient or acceptable way to ''Signpost'', at least at this time, all you have to do is say so directly and in a nice way. You said so to me and I said, "O.K." I don't know if you said so to WPPilot. I'm puzzled by your reaction. ] (]) 22:30, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
::::Are you still mad at me? ] (]) 00:45, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

*{{ping|Hafspajen}} The real issue here is total lack of communications. Haffy does not communicate well and I am tired of being on his yoyo. HE came to me, in January and asked to help. After I agree, he quits and dumps it all on me. There were some early issues regarding the style I use to create the paraphrased sections, and as the result of a total lack of communications Haffy tossed me under a bus. I do not like to be tossed under a bus. Adam went off on me, as he had published the root document 4 days late, so I, during a weekend I was sailing, was left with 72 hours to pound out the mistake. In the past I would spend 8 hours to do a nice job on the briefs and everyone like my work, so I was told, then the 3 day notice fro Haffy (And thanks again in all the valuable work you put down on the Signpost. Go, go, go, - copy your work before save) that lead to this https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:WPPilot&diff=next&oldid=648740967 so now, when I try to do my first drafts Haffy goes off and {https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:CorinneSD#Signpost tells others not to help me, and specifically excludes them from participation]. This has become ridiculous and is simply put not worth the time required to address all the that Haffy seems to like to create. He is making things up to try and cover his own ass. What a joke! ]<span style="border:1px solid black;">'''&nbsp;]&nbsp;'''</span> 17:10, 10 March 2015 (UTC)



:* Wrong - there was absolutely no lack of communications. Saying this is ]. I asked WPPILOT TO WRITE '''HIS OWN ENTRY''' on one of the pictures he nominated that got featured, because Adam was travelling and I did asked at that point about five people to start writing up their own entry in Signpost, not only him. Than '''he offered''' to continue to write in it. Nobody insisted that he should do it or asked him, he offered it all by himself. I haven't disappeared at all and dumped everything on him- at all. Adam was occupied or lost his fun, and if any Signpost ever got posted in the last couple edition it was because we worked hard, and I did rather the biggest part of it - with the exception of one single edition - if anyone bothers to check the last couple editions history and look just how much everybody contributed and how it was all done, so it's all in the history. So that part is not quite true either. He started editing the Signpost Mark his comment: ''simply did a copy and paste of the sections of the content, please correct ASAP it that was incorrect.'' (Am I really SO BAD at communicating as he wants you to belive??) It was written clearly: : ''''' Don't just copy and paste the lead, because we are not supposed to do that, we should use the text to write up a summary... if you do so, it will just have to be rewritten.'''''well that was 21 February. All this he removed by now, so it is not on his page, but the diffs show it clearly. Now I am the bad guy who never explain anything? No, I am not. I was the one covering up for him - correcting faults, removing a lot of awkward copy and paste stuff and rewrite it - not the other way round, like he was saying here above. That is also gaslighting.
:* Check, recently: . Wrong article on top of everything. It takes more time than if one is doing it alone. After a background like this he goes calling me names, tells me that I am not GRATEFUL enough, full of shit and so on. Now come on. Not grateful for what? I am out of this project, he can do whatever he wants. I don't care working together with people who doesn't have boundaries towards incivility and hurting others. You think it will not happen to you, but you will be next. Like F. was uncivil with me, she was with you too. Saw that on your page. Or is somebody civil or not. There is no such thing as selective incivility. ] (]) 23:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
: :] Since I have been discussed here in an unflattering manner with an unsympathetic characterisation of the incident, I feel like being helpful and adding a diff, since CorinneSD likes to see them to have a complete understanding of a sitaution: here is one for you, CorinneSD: <https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Adam_Cuerden&diff=prev&oldid=651338986>. Are you aware of these comments; possibly not since the person you are so fond of hid them in the nest edit, but did not delete them (curious, that):<https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Adam_Cuerden&diff=next&oldid=651338986>. Even though you like pinging everyone to make sure they are aware of all conversations concerning them, (Warm fuzzies and cold pricklies), I shall not. It can sit here or you can find it, whatever. What Hafs does not seem to ever take into account is that whatever is typed here on WIkipedia will always remain, unless revdeleted. Happy life everyone. Hafs did say one true thing somewhere recently, but I won't use all caps; "Misplaced Pages is Evil". And evil cannot be overcome with good. That is one of those lies just like "weeping endures for an evening but joy comes in the morning". Bye ] ] 20:02, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
::First I had no intention reading anything more about this discussion, but when I noticed the tone and style, that I ''am making things up to try and cover his own ass''... Oh, really, in what way? For heavens's sake in WHAT way was I rude, ungrateful and the part '' Full of shit'', that I think it is definitely going to far. I am not discussing anything further in this tone. This is no way of discussing things and no way working together. I never work together or take any assignments either from people who treat me impolitely or use abusive language towards me. I think that I was rude and I have no intention whatsoever discussing anything with him. If he leaves any messages on my page from now on on my page, I will do as he does, I will simply remove it .] (]) 23:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
::And I am not THAT BAD communicating like everybody here wants to believe - that I can't communicate when I really want to. Sometimes I don't have the time writing long answers, but that doesn't mean I can't communicate. I can and I wasn't making any mistakes pointing out things to him, neither did Adam, though Adam was much more outspoken, he was not trying to be diplomatic like I tried. Tried, past tense. ] (]) 03:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::There was communication all the way. See ], check , ] on Sighpost check ] ... check ] - and nobody likes conflicts. ] (]) 04:29, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
::And I don't agree that it was poor communication at all. If it was poor communication, that it was rather from his side removing all our comments and saying ''''adios!''' instead of sitting down and going through our issues we raised. I think . ] (]) 04:52, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

==Photos==
:* You didn't wanted to? Sorry. Do you want me te remove it? ( Hope they don't think I am a vandal removing referenced material...) ] (]) 16:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

::] Verb tenses and verb forms are important. You said, "Very good, move to article." "Move to article" is in the imperative form. That means ''you'' are telling or advising ''me'' to move what I've done to the article. With my next question, I just wanted to be sure you wanted me to move it even before I have finished. Now I see that you already ''moved'' it to the article. You need to say, "Very good. I '''have moved''' / '''I've moved''' it to the article." (present perfect tense) or "Very good. I '''moved''' it to the article." (past tense) Then I would know that you already moved it. I'm ''happy'' that you moved it! You know more than I do about writing articles. I've ''never'' written an article, and I'm pleased to be doing it even in a small way. Of course you should leave it there. We can always add to it. ;) ] (]) 17:11, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
::Well, I '''meant''' - I have ''moved'' in this case. It was well written and added to the article witch was mostly a stubb... ] (]) 17:14, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:::* I think it starts to look like a real article. So, WE have worked here together, so I think we can go co-nom any time you want. ] (]) 17:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
::::* UNLESS _ it is not comprimated or messed around with - I think we should ask {{U|Crisco 1492}} first ... I was using an other screen before .. now I am not as sure any more. Here a new article ... ]. Scan looks a bit blurry. ] (]) 17:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::*I'm thinking that, although they did miss the focus a bit, it's still likely to pass. I'd finish with the article first though.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 23:52, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

{{ec}} (EC third time.) Oh...you mean now that there is a real article, we can nominate that painting? I'd love to co-nominate it with you. You don't want me to finish paraphrasing? I didn't get all the way through those big paragraphs you gave me. (What's that "nort comprimated"? Your English is getting worse, or is it your typing? ;) I think you mean "not compromised".) ] (]) 17:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

(I was just kidding.) Unless I see two scans of the same painting right next to each other, with one being very clear and the other, as you say, "a bit blurry", I don't think I would notice that. You'll have to judge the quality of the scan. ] (]) 17:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC) I don't know what "comprimated" is. If you do mean "compromised", I don't even know what that means in terms of a scan. What does it mean? ] (]) 17:26, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
::Woman you confuse me. Cry... ] (]) 11:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:* {{U|Crisco 1492}} ... what am supposed to say now?? ] (]) 11:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
::*Regarding the "blurry": the way I see it, Van Gogh used ] extensively in his works (van Gogh experts, feel free to tell me I'm mistaken). This is beautifully shown in ], but the ''Houses at Anvers'' scan makes it seem as if all the paint is at the same level. I think they missed the focus, very slightly. (You'd need to see the full size image to see what I mean)&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 11:41, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::Thanks, ]. ] Do you know anyone who works at the museum who could take a better photo? I will finish the paraphrasing this afternoon. ] (]) 18:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
:::No, I don't. {{U|Crisco 1492}} is the one who could get uss a better scan, but he thought it was good enough to pass. ] (]) 12:13, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
:::*I couldn't get the Toledo's MOA's scan, so Google is the best we're going to get.&nbsp;—&nbsp;] (]) 12:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
::Sure, add it. ] (]) 19:08, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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