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I reserve the right to remove any comment w/o reply. If you are an admin, please simply say so and I will leave your message if you wish. If you are not an admin, please don't attempt to tell me how to edit or how I should or shouldn't communicate with other users. If you do not agree with this, please don't post on my talk page, but rather communicate on the talk page of the article(s) involved. Thanks. -] (]) 19:28, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
All uncivil comments will be removed w/o reply. -] (]) 18:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


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==Magick==
== RfC on ] ==


In your recent talk to me you said
Hi. I've started ] about FFL's conduct. Could you help provide a list of all his reverts? I was going to do it, but something has come up. If you could start, I can pick up later. I suggest chronological order... ---] 20:59, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:I've added a few policies violated. Which page was his jpg images deleted? There were four. This iwll help provide evidence of copyright and image use violation. ] 21:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)


:You misunderstand me. I am not arguing for any particular position. I am simply describing the current state of affairs, as made clear in the disambiguation at the top of the article, Magick. However, Crowley did coin the term, the article is about his beliefs and writings on the topic, and other's use of the term may or may not be orthogonal to his.
Ok, I am back. Looks like you did a ''great'' job on the RfC. Thanks. ---] 15:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


:If you think things should be changed, you'll need to follow Misplaced Pages process to argue for those changes with the current editors of the articles involved. As it stands, the general overview article on what you call Magick and what the dictionary lists as magic is Magic (paranormal). That's simply the state of things, and it is best to observe the distinctions arrived at by the consensus of previous editors. -999 (Talk) 16:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
== Carl Kellner ==


I don't misunderstand. You are being rather fundamentalist and seem to have your own misunderstanding. Then you disclaim responsibility.
I cannot work on his bio if the lead section is dealing with history and bio material. The lead should be brief, dealing with matters following below. ] 18:09, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
:I don't care how you edit the article. Just leave the reference. -] (]) 18:10, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


You are essentially saying that anything non-Thelema or non-Crowley is non-Magick. You are recommending that all other Magick goes to Magic (paranormal). But there is nothing paranormal about the rest of the Western Mystery Tradition, or Eastern Mystery Tradition, and this is my point.
== User page andalism revert ==


Crowley did not invent the spelling of Magick, as others have already proven in the talk pages for the article using the word etymology. He just used the archaic spelling as a way to distinguish - and became (in)famous. It's similar to the convention of using A.D. for dates if you are Christian and C.E. for dates if you are non-sectarian and a scholar. Someday some scholar will infect the public mind with that meme and the masses will think this one smart guy invented an inclusive way to record historical dates.
Appreciated. Thanks -- ] <small>]</small> 18:39, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


But even if we take your stand, Crowley drew from both Western and Eastern Mystery Tradition. The Western Mystery Tradition is a vast underground stream that unites the more specific traditions of Thelema, Wicca, Celtic and other Folk Magick, the Grail stuff, the Faery stuff, and even outer religious practices that only initiates really understand. Thelema is one bubbling spring connected to the entirety through that underground stream.
== Secret Chiefs ==


You're also saying that it's best to observe consensus of those who came before. This is pretty much exactly like a fundamentalist of any dogmatic religion would say to any problematic person with a brain to think and question. You're saying submit to dogma and don't think for myself.
]. This one slipped by me. Notice who created it :p ] 06:26, 24 June 2006 (UTC)


Also I think the "editors who have come before" just judging from the talk pages are in disagreement with you about the distinction and you are maintaining an "iron fist" policy over this article to keep it only about what you know. That's in direct contravention to what wikipedia is about.
I think you may want to reference, ] to add to the ] article. -] 08:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


Again, the best solution would be to make Magick a general index term and take your Thelema to a more specific level underneath it. Magick should probably itself be categorized under Western Mystery Tradition, as it's mostly the West that takes the active path up the Tree. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
== As I pondered week and weary ==


== Thurible article ==
I happened over to another area in wiki and found something kinda odd.... Seems someone doesnt want their questions answered. ] 07:13, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--] 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
== Religion and Magic ==


== Matisse ==
Just so you know, it was by accident that the unsourced tag got removed (copying not quite all the text I wanted from KWrite). I do intend to go back and add some source myself later though, for what it's worth. ] 18:35, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


Would you be kind enough to look in my talk archives, 6 and 7, and tell me if Matisse's comments (to me)are rational? ]]]. 18:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
== RfM ==


I am trying to determine if the comments to me show that this person needs to be blocked ]]]. 18:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Frater FiatLux has asked why the page is now unprotected, as this can cause more edit wars. I kind of agree, and since he is sincere, I am willing to look past our arguments. So I am asking if I relist the RfM, will you agree to the meditation? I will agree if you will. Please take your time to think about this. Thanks. ] 16:14, 1 July 2006 (UTC)


== How do you figure I am stalking? ==
== What next ==


Doesn't make any sense. I've posted on the page of the person you say I am stalking about that page. Also I advised him to utilize the Discussion page, which he did. I realise you think this page is yours but it is not. Others may work on it too. ]] 19:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
What happens after an RfC is made for someone (cough cough Frater FiatLux cough)? It seems to not be going anywhere at all. And I somehow think he doesnt even know what its being used for either. ] 19:39, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


== Djehuty == == How am I stalking? ==


You are not being specific enough. Sincerely, ]] 19:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
] : Consensus time! ] 20:09, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

:Is there anyway I can get you to fix the format of your vote on ]? I added the proper headings for the survey and voted myself. I also made note that it doesnt really reflect the other proposals on ]. Its still his user sub-page :D ] 19:51, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
== Question about a Thelemite on the list ==
::I couldnt figure out how to add the name without your talk page leading to WP:proposals! ] 19:54, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

:::I fixed the link. Seems both your and K.V. have a tendency to over-capitalize titles and then the links don't work. I hope it's ok to mention this (again) on ''my'' talk page. =) -] (]) 20:16, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, it seems to me that you are the authority on the subject so maybe you can help me out. There is a person on the Thelemite list named Dorothy Olsen. Do you know if this is the 1950's folk singer or is it someone else? Just curious. Thank you. ] 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Again? No I just figured it kinda rude to use JMax's talk page for conversations, is all. ] 20:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
:999, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. This info is very helpful. ] 16:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, you're probably right. I try to avoid long conversations on other people's talk pages, but not necessarily a short remark. Sorry if it bothered you... -] (]) 20:45, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
==Links to non-esistant articles==
::::::No bother. ] 20:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
In general, it is good to link to articles that should, but don't exist - it encourages people to create them, and moves them up the 'most wanted articles' list. When they are created, there is no need to go back and put links in. ] 19:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:OK - I think I disagree, but no big deal. ;) ] 19:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

==]==
I've submitted this as a procedural nomination for AfD since the PROD was removed and re-added. You can visit the discussion and participate ].--] 21:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Mattisse ==

No, I'm afraid I'm not convinced any more that ] is a sock of Mattisse. I can't sign on to most of your issues. It appears that Mattisse's main issue is lack of assuming good faith and biting the newcomer, ]. Another incident that's come to my attention is {{article|Peggy Sue}}, where she repeatedly inserted citation requests even though the source was cited in the text of the article instead of with footnotes, and continued to do so even after another editor '''bolded''' the in-text citations.

Now, if you open an RfC on ]'s conduct, who has done '''nothing''' but serial tag, I'd be ''happy'' to endorse it. ] (]) 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


== Tantra == == Tantra ==


Hello there. Just a note to say that I do not intend criticism towards fellow editors on this or any other article. Perhaps my language is a little strong at times, or I may make bold edits and these can be construed as personal criticism. Please believe me when I say that nothing personal is directed towards any of the authors. I do assume good faith and I try to be bold with my edits.
Ok, I'll take a look. ] 14:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

On this article, most of my edits have been geared towards pointing out that the material can be a little clearer in some places. I am not an expert on tantra and have little more than a passing interest. In a certain sense, this gives me a good perspective on the material because I am just an average reader. Often the opinions of an average reader can show interested editors where things can be improved.

This article is now improving by leaps and bounds, not because of my edits, but because you and other editors are now reexamining it. Eventually we will be able to remove the cleanup and neutrality tags.

] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Well, I know you are away, but this one is right up your alley. Anything about this word in ''Secret Rituals of the O.T.O.''? I suspect there would be, since Crowley borrowed freely from the Masons. I'll copy the article as it is not into my user space in case it gets deleted before you return. &mdash;] 05:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for your email. I'm glad to know that the word is indeed mentioned in a specific chapter of that book. I can add that to the article and wait for your return (or for the person you emailed about it) for the details to be added to the article. &mdash;] 15:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

== Starwood Link History ==
A couple of fellow editors suggested that I appraise you of these facts. I realize I have already posted some of this information, but for the sake of organizing it I will put it all here together. I'm sorry if it's long.

The following information is just to show that while ] was wildly tagging articles linked to Starwood Festival with "citation needed" tags, later to call on many editors to help in a campaign to delete them, then have them taken down as linkspam and google-bombing, she was ALSO CREATING articles with links to ] herself, then calling them to the attention of other editors as examples of how there were too many articles linked to it and that I was "out of control". I believe that most of the objections by editors other than Matisse and socks of Matisse (who have weighed in multiple times in discussions about both the links and the notability of individual articles I've written in order to create the illusion that she had major support in the Wiki community) were swayed, in great part, by this campaign to create a "Major Problem" where one did not exist. (Ironic, since a running theme of the event is conspiracy theory & the Illuminati...)


1. The ] article (linked to ], ], and ]) was created August 25th by ], a sock of ], 12 days after my first Wiki input. The Answers.com text mentioned below about Musart (point 6) is obviously cribbed from the Wiki article she created, yet she speaks as if she "found" this evidence that this issue is not minor!

2. The "]" article was created on September 3rd by ], another Matisse sock. She returned the next day to add a link to Association for Consciousness Exploration.

3. ], mentioned below by Matisse on ]'s page as a "Starwood Speaker", has never appeared at Starwood nor has his page been linked to the Starwood page.

4. There are links to Musart on the "]" and "]" articles that I believe are incorrect, and probably refer to the record company DiscosMusart, which has no Wiki article.


5. Here is what Matisse said to ] about Musart in November:

hopeless mediation

:Hi. I wrote a question on the Starwood Mediation page and got an unsatisfactory answer from Rosencomet. Plus I notices another article waiting in the wings: Musart. Do you think we should ask for another mediator? Ours seems to be missing in action. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, I must agree. It is hopeless and would be a waste of your time. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


6. This was posted on ]'s talk page the same day:

:Hi again! Check out Musart. it is waiting in the wings to have bunches of names added. Mattisse(talk) 01:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

:Check this out from Answers.com If, by chance, you think this is minor. Mattisse(talk) 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

And 8 days later:

:Maybe you would weigh in on the ] talk page (a Starwood Festival speaker) as there is a discussion on what type of links to include as external links. The particular link in question may not be a good example to defend, but at least it's the start of a general discussion. Mattisse(talk) 16:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


7. Now this one was on Pigman's talk page just a few days ago. I've included Ekajati's comment.

:I just ran across this: ]. The links at the bottom are bad. One goes nowhere. The other pertains if anything to this: Musart Records -- which I wrote (not very well) trying to sort out the problem regarding various (legitimate) artists whose articles list this label -- none of which are in that list on Musart. What to do? Perhaps you know. Thank you. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:As you can see, it's the usual Starwood Festival crowd listed. I wonder if this is hopeless. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, now this is not funny, Mattisse. That article, as you have to know, was started by ], who was confirmed by CheckUser as one of your sockpuppets. ] (yakity-yak) 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


8. This non-explanation of the creation of the Musart article was posted on BostonMa's talk page. I've included ]' input:

:I clicked on the name, Flinders, and it was identified as a sockpuppet of my account. I don't know what else to say. I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done. I am not clear what was going on at that time. At the time I explained my role in the matter. The result is though that I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article. If will explain the situation in any degree of detail you desire. I don't know what level of detail is appropriate here. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 16:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:Further explanation: That I personally did not create the sockpuppets but they were created on my computer, as proved by CheckUser. There was an unusual sitation. Relatives, including my daughter and her children, suddenly were in my house. In the middle of this was when I was doing backlogs in the wikify bin (to get away from real life stress) and AFD'd ]. This was just after ] had identified a suite of similar articles and ADFed the whole suite. I asked him what to do but he was busy with his admin election. I used bad judgment and tagged too many articles. ] attacked me. I became upset, being already upset because of outside events. I talked about it too much to my visitors, none of whom were involved with Misplaced Pages. I don't know really what happened. Part of what was going on here meant that I was not home always. I do know that I left my granddaughter alone, at that time not realising that Misplaced Pages was such a dangerous place, so she did somethings on Misplaced Pages unsupervised. I guess I should look back and see exactly what. Someone emailed me that she put her age on her user page and that I should delete that. I tried but was not allowed. Then an admin believed she was my granddaughter and did delete it or do something with it. To tell you the truth, I don't really want to know what these various accounts did because it starts to give me bad feelings about my family -- whether they were trying to harm me or help me I don't know. And it has affected our relationship since then. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

::Please excuse me for butting in here, but this is the same excuse she used for the previous sockpuppet incident (pre-Rosencomet). See ]. I believe that ] was involved in that incident. —] 17:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

:::I looked at the discussion and I don't quite get what I did that was so wrong. I asked Paul ] a question. At the time I didn't know it was a Flinders article. ] did whatever in the past. In any case, I would not have done anything to a Starwood article myself. That is why I asked someone. If I repeat the same story regarding events around that time, what else should I do? It's only because Musart Records came up on my watch list as "unsourced" that I even looked at it. Because I write and edit so many record label articles, I did not get the connection at first. I do not understand this place. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

9. I must say that this is a pretty bizarre situation. Matisse has used sock-puppets for a long time to disrupt the work of a number of editors in various ways, and seems to openly admit it here, and I find that strange enough (since, perhaps because I'm a newcomer, I just don't see what she gets out of this kind of behavior except sowing anger and frustration among hard-working volunteers), but phrases like "I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done." or "I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article" make me wonder how she can EVER be held accountable for what she does. It sounds bi-polar to me (I'm not diagnosing, just saying what it sounds like). She seems not to know what she has done, or perhaps even what she is doing. In a different way, I find the attempt to shift the blame to unspecified family members even more disturbing.

Matisse seems to have a talent for creating trouble and drawing well-meaning people into the fray. I don't see how the issue under mediation can be discussed without at least airing these facts, and allowing those who have been swayed to believe that there is a serious situation that must be nipped in the bud to understand that, at least to some extent, it has not only been exaggerated but increased and manipulated by the very person that brought it to their attention and enlisted their help. ] 00:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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== Thurible ==

Hello 999,

I did not remove your reference because it relates to witchcraft, I removed it because I did not believe it. I have never heard of a thurible called a weapon (granted, it can hurt people, but it's hardly a good design for a weapon), and I've never heard anyone refer to it as magic. I am guessing that most people do not know the thurible is a magic weapon, so I wonder if it would be helpful if you would cite where you got the information. I know that other parts of the article are not cited, but I think they are fairly common knowledge (at least to me).

I've not been a wikipedian long, and am not hoping to insult. Just asking for some sort of reference that supports what you are saying.

Thanks,
] 00:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Hello,

An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: ]. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, ]. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, ].

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, --] 00:58, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

== Arbitration ==
Well, the arbitration is obviously open. I would appreciate any advice you can give me as to how to proceed (or not proceed). Someone named ] has already deleted the fact that the Starwood Festival is run by ACE, information which was in the ] article when it was created over a year before I first inputted anything to Misplaced Pages. I have been assembling whatever "3rd party sources" I can find for articles I've created, but I'm not sure I know how to properly list them as references. Since they are not to the ACE website, I hope they will be taken as fulfilling what was asked for. I suspect, however, that nothing will satisfy these folks. ] 15:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

===Checkuser results===
The ins and outs of checkuser results are not usually made public, both due to privacy concerns and because it's not really in Misplaced Pages's best interest to teach people how to avoid being detected by checkuser. This is one of the reason that checkuser access is only given to users who are deeply trusted by the community; findings are accepted purely on the say-so of the checkuser operator. The only accountability in the process is to another person with checkuser access; you can ask another checkuser operator to double-check the results if you really think it is necessary. ] 23:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Some action taken ==
I have just done a round of deletions of names from the Starwood festival page and a few deletions of Starwood mentions on other pages. I also assembled some 3rd-party sources referencing Starwood appearances on the part of many of the subjects who had mentions in their articles and added them. Some include interviews by the subjects discussing these appearances. I also provided links to a couple articles that had only been referred to in the past. (I would not be suprised if I did some of these wrong, in that I may have put links in the body of the text that belonged in the "Reference" section and such, and I welcome anyone changing such errors.) I hope this demonstrates my desire to improve articles and satisfy requests for 3rd-party sources. I have not added to the Starwood Festival page, only subtracted (though I did ask someone to fix a link to a band's page), and though I have added to the Jeff Rosenbaum article it was only to beef it up to avoid its deletion. If it can pass muster, I plan not to edit it any more, and I hope to ask others to handle any direct additions to the Starwood, WinterStar and ACE articles. I may still make more deletions to them for a while. ] 20:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

==included Dianomd-Cutter.org link at ] per discussion we still had and User:HumanDas' requirements of inlcusion==
When we had the discussion about including the critical link mainly User:HumanDas and user:Ekajati were against it. All other editors were for including or at least not against it. Because user.HumanDas argued:
:''I am happy to include a critical link - as long as the publishers of the site have the balls to put their names on it. I can create a site that trashes you in a few moments work (if I knew your identity) - would you want that information then linked to by WP? —Hanuman Das 23:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC)'' (see archive2)

I now inlclude the link and the responsible person, because the website owner gives his name on the website, see: http://www.diamond-cutter.org/about/about.html
Regards, --] 12:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

==Starwood Festival & RasputinJSvengali==

First of all, Happy New Year to you, and welcome back.

I have just left this note on ]'s talk page:

I have just seen an action taken by ] during this arbitration (and, as far as I know, an ongoing mediation) which not only rewrites the text of the article and deletes the entire "Featured Speakers" and "Featured Entertainers" sections, but adds "Satanists" and "the Illuminates_of_Thanateros" to the list of people attending. I am afraid that this has been done to bait me into a revert war during the arbitration. As an objective party who has offered to help with my efforts to rectify the problems caused by the disagreements between myself and other editors, I would like to ask you to reverse this action and request that ] refrain from such actions. For several weeks I have only reduced the number of links and added 3rd party citations, all of which were requested by editors during the mediation, and have engaged in civil discussion on issues related to the article on the discussion page without actually doing the editing (except for one grammatical edit). Thank you. ] 17:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

==Plastic Paddy==
Hmm. Could Plastic Paddy be a relative of Polythene Pam? :-)

This is the first time I've heard of this deletion attempt. And here I thought the person I had heard use that term had made it up himself.

My only caveat on the article is that while I've often heard of St. Patrick's Day called "St. Paddy's Day", I've never heard it just called "Paddy's Day". Of course, I'm far from Irish. ] 16:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hi 999! ] has requested assistance. She has mentioned you in her request. I am starting to look into the issue. Any background information you could give me would be very welcome. Cheers. ] 20:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion has been noted. ] 01:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== H. Das ==

Looks like a big mess to me. If nothing is proven then it should be overturned. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldnt know what to believe. Theres so much "sock" talk that I've had my doubts about Das before, yet I give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll look more closely at it on Wed. when I have more time. Other than that I'm not really worried about it since he "retired". He can come back and defend himself if he wishes. ] 18:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
:Heheh... wish I could have been there for that arb case. Ekajati sounds familiar nonetheless. I "think" I've ran into him/her once while Hanuman was still around. If anything new happens I'll think about jumping in in, although I try not too since I'd be jumping in late. ] 19:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

== Starwood arbitration update ==
The case was originally filed based on the actions of editors involved in the Starwood links issue. A second issue involving a dispute at ] was added in the evidence phase in the belief that it was a continuation of the same alleged harassment. However, the two cases have very little overlap. Arbitrator Fred Bauder has decided to consider only the Starwood matter at this time. I have trimmed the workshop page to remove material related to the Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism matter. That matter may be placed before the arbitration committee at any time by filing a separate ]. If the case is accepted, evidence and analysis may be copied from the page history and used there. Thank you. For the arbitration committee, ] 01:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks for the update. The work you are doing is appreciated. ] (]) 17:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

== Allen H. Greenfield ==

Rather than posting a new article despite ], you need to go to ] and argue why this article (which is about the same person) should be reinstated. ] 18:52, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Never mind -- I was persuaded by another user to reinstate the article and the afd. ] 19:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


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If I create a wiki-project Occult, would you give me a hand? Just tell me to buzz off. ] 02:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
:Well I made one if you're interested. ] ] 03:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


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It is not currenly possible to provide a second citation for the correct spelling, according to Dee, of the name Coronzom.
The Dee manuscripts have not been publically reproduced as of yet. The documents can be viewed by anyone willing the visit the British Library, and anyone viewing them can clearly see the final letter is indeed an 'M'. This is not research as such, simply an observation following an examination of the said documents.


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I have given you the exact reference for the appropriate Dee manuscript and would suggest you examine it for yourself. However if you wish further verification please consult Don. Laycock's 'The Complete Enochain Dictionary' Weiser 1994 pg. 98 Where Laycock offers all three spellings of the name Coronzom. He does not quote his source but, nevertheless, he obviously believes the spelling is valid.


Frustratingly Laycock fails to mention the page number of the appropriate Dee manuscript , the source of the coronzom spelling, but rhis is why I examined the manuscripts in order to determine where the spelling came from, otherwise I certainly would quote it. However, as I've stated, they are available for anyone who wishes to view them in the British Museum.


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I'm certainly not taking this as a personal issue, It's just that, to put it plainly "I know what I say when I looked at the page".
The Coronzom spelling does appear in other texts, but, again there is no direct referencing. I'm assuming my own, soon to be published, book would not count as I would then be referencing my own material? My reason for including the Coronzom entry was not as self promotion, but due to the fact that this spelling does show up in some texts, chiefly Laycock, but also M. Ford's 'Book of the Witchmoon' makes mention of this spelling, and thought it would be useful if there was a wikipedia entry that reflected this.


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Magick

In your recent talk to me you said

You misunderstand me. I am not arguing for any particular position. I am simply describing the current state of affairs, as made clear in the disambiguation at the top of the article, Magick. However, Crowley did coin the term, the article is about his beliefs and writings on the topic, and other's use of the term may or may not be orthogonal to his.
If you think things should be changed, you'll need to follow Misplaced Pages process to argue for those changes with the current editors of the articles involved. As it stands, the general overview article on what you call Magick and what the dictionary lists as magic is Magic (paranormal). That's simply the state of things, and it is best to observe the distinctions arrived at by the consensus of previous editors. -999 (Talk) 16:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't misunderstand. You are being rather fundamentalist and seem to have your own misunderstanding. Then you disclaim responsibility.

You are essentially saying that anything non-Thelema or non-Crowley is non-Magick. You are recommending that all other Magick goes to Magic (paranormal). But there is nothing paranormal about the rest of the Western Mystery Tradition, or Eastern Mystery Tradition, and this is my point.

Crowley did not invent the spelling of Magick, as others have already proven in the talk pages for the article using the word etymology. He just used the archaic spelling as a way to distinguish - and became (in)famous. It's similar to the convention of using A.D. for dates if you are Christian and C.E. for dates if you are non-sectarian and a scholar. Someday some scholar will infect the public mind with that meme and the masses will think this one smart guy invented an inclusive way to record historical dates.

But even if we take your stand, Crowley drew from both Western and Eastern Mystery Tradition. The Western Mystery Tradition is a vast underground stream that unites the more specific traditions of Thelema, Wicca, Celtic and other Folk Magick, the Grail stuff, the Faery stuff, and even outer religious practices that only initiates really understand. Thelema is one bubbling spring connected to the entirety through that underground stream.

You're also saying that it's best to observe consensus of those who came before. This is pretty much exactly like a fundamentalist of any dogmatic religion would say to any problematic person with a brain to think and question. You're saying submit to dogma and don't think for myself.

Also I think the "editors who have come before" just judging from the talk pages are in disagreement with you about the distinction and you are maintaining an "iron fist" policy over this article to keep it only about what you know. That's in direct contravention to what wikipedia is about.

Again, the best solution would be to make Magick a general index term and take your Thelema to a more specific level underneath it. Magick should probably itself be categorized under Western Mystery Tradition, as it's mostly the West that takes the active path up the Tree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rpehrson (talkcontribs)

Thurible article

In the thurible article, you refer to "non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Churches". I am a bit confused. What is a non-Christian Gnostic Catholic Church?--Filll 15:30, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Matisse

Would you be kind enough to look in my talk archives, 6 and 7, and tell me if Matisse's comments (to me)are rational? Geo. 18:52, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to determine if the comments to me show that this person needs to be blocked Geo. 18:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

How do you figure I am stalking?

Doesn't make any sense. I've posted on the page of the person you say I am stalking about that page. Also I advised him to utilize the Discussion page, which he did. I realise you think this page is yours but it is not. Others may work on it too. Mattisse(talk) 19:17, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

How am I stalking?

You are not being specific enough. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 19:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Question about a Thelemite on the list

Hello, it seems to me that you are the authority on the subject so maybe you can help me out. There is a person on the Thelemite list named Dorothy Olsen. Do you know if this is the 1950's folk singer or is it someone else? Just curious. Thank you. 4giron 05:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

999, thank you for pointing me in the right direction. This info is very helpful. 4giron 16:28, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Links to non-esistant articles

In general, it is good to link to articles that should, but don't exist - it encourages people to create them, and moves them up the 'most wanted articles' list. When they are created, there is no need to go back and put links in. Trollderella 19:49, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

OK - I think I disagree, but no big deal. ;) Trollderella 19:52, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Phil Hine

I've submitted this as a procedural nomination for AfD since the PROD was removed and re-added. You can visit the discussion and participate here.--Isotope23 21:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Mattisse

No, I'm afraid I'm not convinced any more that Timmy12 is a sock of Mattisse. I can't sign on to most of your issues. It appears that Mattisse's main issue is lack of assuming good faith and biting the newcomer, User:Rosencomet. Another incident that's come to my attention is Peggy Sue (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views), where she repeatedly inserted citation requests even though the source was cited in the text of the article instead of with footnotes, and continued to do so even after another editor bolded the in-text citations.

Now, if you open an RfC on User:Timmy12's conduct, who has done nothing but serial tag, I'd be happy to endorse it. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:43, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Tantra

Hello there. Just a note to say that I do not intend criticism towards fellow editors on this or any other article. Perhaps my language is a little strong at times, or I may make bold edits and these can be construed as personal criticism. Please believe me when I say that nothing personal is directed towards any of the authors. I do assume good faith and I try to be bold with my edits.

On this article, most of my edits have been geared towards pointing out that the material can be a little clearer in some places. I am not an expert on tantra and have little more than a passing interest. In a certain sense, this gives me a good perspective on the material because I am just an average reader. Often the opinions of an average reader can show interested editors where things can be improved.

This article is now improving by leaps and bounds, not because of my edits, but because you and other editors are now reexamining it. Eventually we will be able to remove the cleanup and neutrality tags.

TheRingess 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Jahbulon

Well, I know you are away, but this one is right up your alley. Anything about this word in Secret Rituals of the O.T.O.? I suspect there would be, since Crowley borrowed freely from the Masons. I'll copy the article as it is not into my user space in case it gets deleted before you return. —Hanuman Das 05:16, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your email. I'm glad to know that the word is indeed mentioned in a specific chapter of that book. I can add that to the article and wait for your return (or for the person you emailed about it) for the details to be added to the article. —Hanuman Das 15:54, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Starwood Link History

A couple of fellow editors suggested that I appraise you of these facts. I realize I have already posted some of this information, but for the sake of organizing it I will put it all here together. I'm sorry if it's long.

The following information is just to show that while Matisse was wildly tagging articles linked to Starwood Festival with "citation needed" tags, later to call on many editors to help in a campaign to delete them, then have them taken down as linkspam and google-bombing, she was ALSO CREATING articles with links to Starwood Festival herself, then calling them to the attention of other editors as examples of how there were too many articles linked to it and that I was "out of control". I believe that most of the objections by editors other than Matisse and socks of Matisse (who have weighed in multiple times in discussions about both the links and the notability of individual articles I've written in order to create the illusion that she had major support in the Wiki community) were swayed, in great part, by this campaign to create a "Major Problem" where one did not exist. (Ironic, since a running theme of the event is conspiracy theory & the Illuminati...)


1. The Musart article (linked to Starwood Festival, Association for Consciousness Exploration, and WinterStar Symposium) was created August 25th by Flinders, a sock of Matisse, 12 days after my first Wiki input. The Answers.com text mentioned below about Musart (point 6) is obviously cribbed from the Wiki article she created, yet she speaks as if she "found" this evidence that this issue is not minor!

2. The "What Witches Do" article was created on September 3rd by LiftWaffen, another Matisse sock. She returned the next day to add a link to Association for Consciousness Exploration.

3. Andrew Cohen, mentioned below by Matisse on Salix Alba's page as a "Starwood Speaker", has never appeared at Starwood nor has his page been linked to the Starwood page.

4. There are links to Musart on the "Chalino Sánchez" and "Lucero" articles that I believe are incorrect, and probably refer to the record company DiscosMusart, which has no Wiki article.


5. Here is what Matisse said to BostonMa about Musart in November:

hopeless mediation

Hi. I wrote a question on the Starwood Mediation page and got an unsatisfactory answer from Rosencomet. Plus I notices another article waiting in the wings: Musart. Do you think we should ask for another mediator? Ours seems to be missing in action. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 01:39, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I must agree. It is hopeless and would be a waste of your time. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


6. This was posted on Salix Alba's talk page the same day:

Hi again! Check out Musart. it is waiting in the wings to have bunches of names added. Mattisse(talk) 01:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Check this out from Answers.com If, by chance, you think this is minor. Mattisse(talk) 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

And 8 days later:

Maybe you would weigh in on the Andrew Cohen talk page (a Starwood Festival speaker) as there is a discussion on what type of links to include as external links. The particular link in question may not be a good example to defend, but at least it's the start of a general discussion. Mattisse(talk) 16:08, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


7. Now this one was on Pigman's talk page just a few days ago. I've included Ekajati's comment.

I just ran across this: Musart. The links at the bottom are bad. One goes nowhere. The other pertains if anything to this: Musart Records -- which I wrote (not very well) trying to sort out the problem regarding various (legitimate) artists whose articles list this label -- none of which are in that list on Musart. What to do? Perhaps you know. Thank you. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, it's the usual Starwood Festival crowd listed. I wonder if this is hopeless. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 02:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, now this is not funny, Mattisse. That article, as you have to know, was started by Flinders, who was confirmed by CheckUser as one of your sockpuppets. Ekajati (yakity-yak) 14:56, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


8. This non-explanation of the creation of the Musart article was posted on BostonMa's talk page. I've included Hanuman Das' input:

I clicked on the name, Flinders, and it was identified as a sockpuppet of my account. I don't know what else to say. I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done. I am not clear what was going on at that time. At the time I explained my role in the matter. The result is though that I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article. If will explain the situation in any degree of detail you desire. I don't know what level of detail is appropriate here. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 16:40, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Further explanation: That I personally did not create the sockpuppets but they were created on my computer, as proved by CheckUser. There was an unusual sitation. Relatives, including my daughter and her children, suddenly were in my house. In the middle of this was when I was doing backlogs in the wikify bin (to get away from real life stress) and AFD'd Philip Farber. This was just after Netsnipe had identified a suite of similar articles and ADFed the whole suite. I asked him what to do but he was busy with his admin election. I used bad judgment and tagged too many articles. 999 attacked me. I became upset, being already upset because of outside events. I talked about it too much to my visitors, none of whom were involved with Misplaced Pages. I don't know really what happened. Part of what was going on here meant that I was not home always. I do know that I left my granddaughter alone, at that time not realising that Misplaced Pages was such a dangerous place, so she did somethings on Misplaced Pages unsupervised. I guess I should look back and see exactly what. Someone emailed me that she put her age on her user page and that I should delete that. I tried but was not allowed. Then an admin believed she was my granddaughter and did delete it or do something with it. To tell you the truth, I don't really want to know what these various accounts did because it starts to give me bad feelings about my family -- whether they were trying to harm me or help me I don't know. And it has affected our relationship since then. Let me know if you have any questions. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Please excuse me for butting in here, but this is the same excuse she used for the previous sockpuppet incident (pre-Rosencomet). See Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for checkuser/Case/Listerin. I believe that User:Salix alba was involved in that incident. —Hanuman Das 17:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I looked at the discussion and I don't quite get what I did that was so wrong. I asked Paul Pigman a question. At the time I didn't know it was a Flinders article. Flinders did whatever in the past. In any case, I would not have done anything to a Starwood article myself. That is why I asked someone. If I repeat the same story regarding events around that time, what else should I do? It's only because Musart Records came up on my watch list as "unsourced" that I even looked at it. Because I write and edit so many record label articles, I did not get the connection at first. I do not understand this place. Sincerely, Mattisse(talk) 22:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

9. I must say that this is a pretty bizarre situation. Matisse has used sock-puppets for a long time to disrupt the work of a number of editors in various ways, and seems to openly admit it here, and I find that strange enough (since, perhaps because I'm a newcomer, I just don't see what she gets out of this kind of behavior except sowing anger and frustration among hard-working volunteers), but phrases like "I was not aware of all the accounts identified as mine - rather I should say I recognise the names now but I don't always know what they have done." or "I am not always aware when one of my sockpuppets created an article" make me wonder how she can EVER be held accountable for what she does. It sounds bi-polar to me (I'm not diagnosing, just saying what it sounds like). She seems not to know what she has done, or perhaps even what she is doing. In a different way, I find the attempt to shift the blame to unspecified family members even more disturbing.

Matisse seems to have a talent for creating trouble and drawing well-meaning people into the fray. I don't see how the issue under mediation can be discussed without at least airing these facts, and allowing those who have been swayed to believe that there is a serious situation that must be nipped in the bud to understand that, at least to some extent, it has not only been exaggerated but increased and manipulated by the very person that brought it to their attention and enlisted their help. Rosencomet 00:06, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

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Thurible

Hello 999,

I did not remove your reference because it relates to witchcraft, I removed it because I did not believe it. I have never heard of a thurible called a weapon (granted, it can hurt people, but it's hardly a good design for a weapon), and I've never heard anyone refer to it as magic. I am guessing that most people do not know the thurible is a magic weapon, so I wonder if it would be helpful if you would cite where you got the information. I know that other parts of the article are not cited, but I think they are fairly common knowledge (at least to me).

I've not been a wikipedian long, and am not hoping to insult. Just asking for some sort of reference that supports what you are saying.

Thanks, Sarum blue 00:57, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

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Arbitration

Well, the arbitration is obviously open. I would appreciate any advice you can give me as to how to proceed (or not proceed). Someone named User:RasputinJSvengali has already deleted the fact that the Starwood Festival is run by ACE, information which was in the Starwood Festival article when it was created over a year before I first inputted anything to Misplaced Pages. I have been assembling whatever "3rd party sources" I can find for articles I've created, but I'm not sure I know how to properly list them as references. Since they are not to the ACE website, I hope they will be taken as fulfilling what was asked for. I suspect, however, that nothing will satisfy these folks. Rosencomet 15:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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Some action taken

I have just done a round of deletions of names from the Starwood festival page and a few deletions of Starwood mentions on other pages. I also assembled some 3rd-party sources referencing Starwood appearances on the part of many of the subjects who had mentions in their articles and added them. Some include interviews by the subjects discussing these appearances. I also provided links to a couple articles that had only been referred to in the past. (I would not be suprised if I did some of these wrong, in that I may have put links in the body of the text that belonged in the "Reference" section and such, and I welcome anyone changing such errors.) I hope this demonstrates my desire to improve articles and satisfy requests for 3rd-party sources. I have not added to the Starwood Festival page, only subtracted (though I did ask someone to fix a link to a band's page), and though I have added to the Jeff Rosenbaum article it was only to beef it up to avoid its deletion. If it can pass muster, I plan not to edit it any more, and I hope to ask others to handle any direct additions to the Starwood, WinterStar and ACE articles. I may still make more deletions to them for a while. Rosencomet 20:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

included Dianomd-Cutter.org link at Michael Roach per discussion we still had and User:HumanDas' requirements of inlcusion

When we had the discussion about including the critical link mainly User:HumanDas and user:Ekajati were against it. All other editors were for including or at least not against it. Because user.HumanDas argued:

I am happy to include a critical link - as long as the publishers of the site have the balls to put their names on it. I can create a site that trashes you in a few moments work (if I knew your identity) - would you want that information then linked to by WP? —Hanuman Das 23:36, 24 September 2006 (UTC) (see archive2)

I now inlclude the link and the responsible person, because the website owner gives his name on the website, see: http://www.diamond-cutter.org/about/about.html Regards, --Kt66 12:42, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Starwood Festival & RasputinJSvengali

First of all, Happy New Year to you, and welcome back.

I have just left this note on User:CheNuevara's talk page:

I have just seen an action taken by User: RasputinJSvengali during this arbitration (and, as far as I know, an ongoing mediation) which not only rewrites the text of the article and deletes the entire "Featured Speakers" and "Featured Entertainers" sections, but adds "Satanists" and "the Illuminates_of_Thanateros" to the list of people attending. I am afraid that this has been done to bait me into a revert war during the arbitration. As an objective party who has offered to help with my efforts to rectify the problems caused by the disagreements between myself and other editors, I would like to ask you to reverse this action and request that User: RasputinJSvengali refrain from such actions. For several weeks I have only reduced the number of links and added 3rd party citations, all of which were requested by editors during the mediation, and have engaged in civil discussion on issues related to the article on the discussion page without actually doing the editing (except for one grammatical edit). Thank you. Rosencomet 17:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Plastic Paddy

Hmm. Could Plastic Paddy be a relative of Polythene Pam? :-)

This is the first time I've heard of this deletion attempt. And here I thought the person I had heard use that term had made it up himself.

My only caveat on the article is that while I've often heard of St. Patrick's Day called "St. Paddy's Day", I've never heard it just called "Paddy's Day". Of course, I'm far from Irish. Rosencomet 16:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/November 2006/Mattisse

Hi 999! Mattisse has requested assistance. She has mentioned you in her request. I am starting to look into the issue. Any background information you could give me would be very welcome. Cheers. SilkTork 20:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Your opinion has been noted. SilkTork 01:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

H. Das

Looks like a big mess to me. If nothing is proven then it should be overturned. As far as I'm concerned, I wouldnt know what to believe. Theres so much "sock" talk that I've had my doubts about Das before, yet I give him the benefit of the doubt. I'll look more closely at it on Wed. when I have more time. Other than that I'm not really worried about it since he "retired". He can come back and defend himself if he wishes. SynergeticMaggot 18:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Heheh... wish I could have been there for that arb case. Ekajati sounds familiar nonetheless. I "think" I've ran into him/her once while Hanuman was still around. If anything new happens I'll think about jumping in in, although I try not too since I'd be jumping in late. SynergeticMaggot 19:49, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Starwood arbitration update

The case was originally filed based on the actions of editors involved in the Starwood links issue. A second issue involving a dispute at Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism was added in the evidence phase in the belief that it was a continuation of the same alleged harassment. However, the two cases have very little overlap. Arbitrator Fred Bauder has decided to consider only the Starwood matter at this time. I have trimmed the workshop page to remove material related to the Celtic Reconstructionist Paganism matter. That matter may be placed before the arbitration committee at any time by filing a separate request for arbitration. If the case is accepted, evidence and analysis may be copied from the page history and used there. Thank you. For the arbitration committee, Thatcher131 01:53, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the update. The work you are doing is appreciated. 999 (Talk) 17:05, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

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Never mind -- I was persuaded by another user to reinstate the article and the afd. NawlinWiki 19:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

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