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Walashma Dynasty

The Walashma have two genealogies:

• One points to Yusuf bin Ahmad al-Kawneyn, a Somali saint who devised a system a Somali nomenclature for Arabic vowels, his work eventually evolving into Wadaad writing. A Harari historian shared this , as did the semi-legendary apologetic "History of the Walashma" and Enrico Cerulli (a scholar in Ethiopian & Somali studies) who got the genealogy from Harar . It's only through him in this genealogy that they have 'Arab origins' because this Somali saint like all Somalis had an Arabian genealogy (even groups like Harari people have such genealogies; they're rarely ever to never legitimate)...

• The other genealogy which is the most accepted and shared, even shared by the famous Ibn Khaldun , is one that claims they are descended from Aqeel Ibn Abi Talib via the supposed Darod clan ancestor Isma'il al-Jabarti whose only descendant ever known to affect the Horn of Africa in anyway was Abidrahman, founder of the Darod clan. With any group claiming a Jeberti/Jabarti connection including Jeberti people who are mostly Tigrinya Muslims associating themselves with the Darod clan progenitor who supposedly came to the Somali Peninsula and took a daughter of the Dir clan chief named Dobira as his wife.

Their genealogies are "Arab", yes. Just like all Somali genealogies are but just as the Walashma page stated (you apparently didn't read all of it and see it's mentioning of where their genealogies trace to? Idk) their genealogies tie them directly & clearly to Somali figures who in turn claim Arab origins which are totally unlikely to even impossible (claiming to be descended from Hashemites/ relatives of the Prophet for example). Anyway, this is why historians such as I.M Lewis do not simply call them Arabs but "Arabized Somalis" or "Somalized Arabs" . Go to the talk page, there're even more sources on this there (I think it was the last discussion where a member was claiming they were Argobba).

They weren't Arabs (if you consider them "Arabs" then all Somalis are Arabs-> I suppose some would argue that though despite the genetic clarity that isn't true ;) ) and I suggest you read the page you're editing and the various sources as well as genealogies shared on it before you make such an edit... Otherwise; take care of yourself, man. And welcome to editing Misplaced Pages. Awale-Abdi (talk) 12:32, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Discussion on the Walashma Talk page

I made a discussion at the end of the Walashma talk page-> do check it out. Out of respect I wrote "Somalized Arab" or "Arabized Somali" on the page for neutrality's sake until we're done with our discussion. If you don't join in on the discussion then you're basically just edit warring, man. And that is against the rules here. So please; just join in, we'll have a civil conversation and hopefully move onto the lives we both have outside of this site. Thanks, I did appreciate your "multi-ethnic" compromise, says to me that you're interested in being civil here, thanks. Awale-Abdi (talk) 07:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Would you kindly stop edit warring and socking Harari234? AcidSnow (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Please stop edit warring already. AcidSnow (talk) 18:28, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

You don't know anything about the history Acidsnow. What your doing is being selfish adding false information. Its pretty obvious that you want to claim Adal and Ifat Somali. So I think your the one who should stop editing. Before you and your friends came it was said to be a "Muslim Sultanate"(Which was true), but when you guess came, you guess started adding the Adal and Ifat Somali even though the dynasty was not. You clearly don't know a lot of the history, which you need to research and read more about.

P.S: I think you should gain more consensus. 70.74.238.17 (talk) 20:35, May 4 2015 (UTC)

Gain consensus? I had consensus since the beginning. You shouldn't be suprised that it was a Muslim Sultanate since that's what all Somali Sultanates were. Anyways, sign into your account. AcidSnow (talk) 18:04, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

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I already warned you numerous of times so don't be surprised. AcidSnow (talk) 23:41, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi

Acidsnow's behavior is unacceptable. can you comment here. Zekenyan (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

This is User:Harari234 and he is forbidden to edit on Misplaced Pages. AcidSnow (talk) 22:13, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

@70.74 LOL you dont seem to know history that well. You even reverted one of my edits. Are you just here to revert every users edits? Zekenyan (talk) 09:43, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

70.74/ Harari234 doesn't know anything about the Horn's history at all... In fact he tried to claim that the Walashma had to be Arabs because they spoke Arabic (a Semitic language). Apparently he didn't realize that nearly every Muslim dynasty in the Horn whether Somali or Harari tended to know how to speak Arabic:

"As we have said, the Sultan of Mogadishu is called Shaikh by his subjects. His name is Abu Bakr ibn Shaikh Omar and by he is a Barbara He talks in the dialect of Mogadishu (Somali), but knows Arabic."

That was in the 14th Century in Mogadishu where the "Barbara" (a term used for Somalis and some other pastoral nomadic Cushitic speakers in the Somali Peninsula during the Middle Ages) Sultan of Mogadishu spoke Arabic alongside his native "Mogadishan" (generally assumed to be Benadiri Somali).

sources on the encounter: ,

Even the Warsangali Dynasty's rulers like the Walashma could speak Arabic (and they were contemporaries of the Walashma who ruled lands nearby to theirs). Hell, Somali dynasties as late as the 19th Century would use Arabic to keep their records or to conduct trade. It was the language of literacy and trade in the Eastern Horn of Africa for a millennia or more & a chap who seemingly did not know this has no business editing anything on the Horn of Africa's history. Awale-Abdi (talk) 15:01, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

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