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== Pregnant Guppy == | |||
==A380 delivery== | |||
Thanks for the picture! If ever an aircraft article needed a photo, it was this one. The aircraft has to be seen to be believed. --] 08:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
*Thanks, I'm a bit of a plane freak so I've been trying to find some pictures for all those old plane articles that are right now picturless. --]<font color=red>]</font> 15:01, 6 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
Just a note on your recent deletion of my A380 delivery date 2008 from the Qantas entry: Going by media sources you are correct. QF internal sources differ, but I am unable to quote them, so we'll leave it at 2007 until the information has been made public. | |||
== User Categorization == | |||
] 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks! I don't doubt you, in the light of recent media stories on A380 delays, but we have to stick to things for which we have checkable sources. It is fine to quote existing media sources expressing doubt about delivery date, even if they don't give precise dates. Personally I'm disappointed, as I fly Qantas internationally a reasonable amount (I should go platinum in three weeks, joy!) and the extra room would be most welcome. --] 00:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Editing of date format== | |||
You were listed on the ] page as living in or being associated with the Australian Capital Territories. As part of the ] project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit ] for instructions. ] 22:27, 19 September 2005 (UTC) | |||
Just a note on your recent edit to ]. Editing date formats has no real purpose, as editors have the option to select how they wish to view dates under their personal Preferences section (above). Check under the 'Dates and Times' heading in Preferences for more information. Cheers. -- ] 06:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks. Most of our readers don't have accounts, and hence see dates in their "raw" format. See ] for more information. --] 06:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Good point. Just thought it was worth noting as fiddling with dates can get up the noses of others around here - I myself don't mind, but I've seen it happen before :) Thanks for the speedy reply. -- ] 06:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
== question == | |||
:::Thanks. I'll ] in future! --] 07:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
Jumbo, we talked a while back when you left a message on my talk page about a photo i uploaded you thought was nice, so i thought i would drop you a line since you're semi-familiar with my work. i'm currently running for an admin position so i thought i'd let you know if you wanted to check out the ]. If you like my work and think i'm worthy, i'd appreciate you checking it out. thanks in advance and if you ever need anything drop me a message. --] 01:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC) | |||
==A380 gates== | |||
== Aviation accident template == | |||
Please read my response on the SFO talk page. Thanks ] 00:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
Sorry about the anon posting, I seemed to have lost my account information. | |||
I like your template, I will try using it. Thats all! ] 23:07, 1 November 2005 (UTC) | |||
I guess I get a little defensive when it's about my home airport! I can't wait until the day when I drive down 101 and see a mammoth A380 parked at the gate. ] 00:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Singapore Airlines promises A380 ops into Sydney by the end of the year. I will probably drive up and take a look-see. No plans for me to return to SFO before April 2007, when my next RTW is scheduled. I do my best to avoid LAX nowadays, but SFO is one of my favorites. Hard to go past SIN and HKG, though. --] 00:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Date format change == | |||
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Looking at , I'm wondering if there was any reason why you changed the format of the date from International Dating to American Dating? --] 04:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:I linked it so the user preferences for data formatting applied. I'm not sure that the mediawiki software can interpret forms other than ''August 17'' and ''17 August'' so I changed it to one of those formats while linking it. It shouldn't matter now that preferences apply because everyone will see it in the preference they have selected. If you happen to know if the software for implementing preferences can support <nowiki>]</nowiki>, please let me know. As for changing from number before month to number after, I'm not sure I was even aware I was doing that. ] 13:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I'm afraid that I don't know the answer to your question. I understand that you uploaded it in good faith, and it is painful to see it deleted. There has been a lot of problems (from my perspective) with fair use on wikipedia and you can't really be blamed for following others' example. My suggestion is that you should just use your best judgement and try to sort through the confusing and often conflicting 'legal' advice on wikipedia. Oh, and keep up the good work. ] 02:41, 24 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I'm doing much the same thing. User preferences only work with correctly wikilinked dates, but most of our readers don't have accounts, so they see the "raw" format. These should be as per ], and changing one format to the other raises all sorts of hackles, I've discovered! --] 17:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Jackson== | |||
I have made a brief page for her using the details that someone had kindly put on the redirect's talk page. Thanks for pointing out this gap.--] 01:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Missing crash infobox == | |||
== Dates on Elizabeth II == | |||
Hi SuperJumbo, | |||
'''True, but there's also ]''' If you would like to change it; ]. -]·]·]·] 21:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
I just noticed that the crash infobox template seems to be missing from ]. Since you seem to be familiar with it it would be great if you could take a look at it. Cheers, ] | |||
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== Date format changes == | ||
As has been , you should not be going around changing date formats to your own preferences. No "senior editors" have told you any different including Raul654. I've cleaned up some of your mess, and if I see you doing it again, you will quickly find yourself blocked a '''4th''' time for making arbitrary date format changes. I hope that is absolutely crystal clear. ]<sup>]</sup> 16:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
Please refrain from making changes which go against apparent consensus. In the ] article, the picture was removed because it is one of the many which need not be in the article. Collections of pictures belong on Commons ]. In addition, putting that picture in the Suicides section is ''extremely'' morbid, and, to me, violates the ] policy. Please wait until an agreement is come to on the ] for the article. ] 05:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thank you. Put simply, my preferences are that articles on American subjects use month-day-year American Dating, and articles on British subjects use day-month-year International Dating. Without presuming to be rude, may I ask you to please point out precisely where in the discussion to which you refer, the reverse is explained "quite clearly"? I would also like your interpretation on Raul's comments where he says: | |||
::''My interpretation (and, I think, the Arbcom's interpretation as well) of the Manual of style and Sortan ruling is as follows: for a British or British commonwealth related article, the British style is the preferred style and it's OK to change American to British style; for an American related article, the American style is the preferred style and it's OK to change British to American.'' | |||
:Again I make the point that it is difficult and frustrating to be told contrary things by senior editors, and to be threatened with blocks if I follow the opinion of one over the other. If you do not agree with Raul, then I hope you will not take it amiss if I ask you to to look back over the years-long process of gaining consensus on date formats, concur with your fellows, sort out a consistency of opinion, and let me (and the rest of the community of editors) know what it might be. If you concur with Raul's interpretation, then may I request that you kindly undo your reverts of my careful work (my "mess", as you put it). --] 20:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
What is actually "frustrating and difficult" is that you have deliberately misquoted Raul again, as has been pointed out to you before. You left off the part immediately after that statement, where he said ''However, it is patently not acceptable to change one acceptable style to another unless you are (a) making the article self consistent, or (b) you have a compelling reason, such as expanding the article from a 1 paragraph stub to featured article. (Simply changing the dating style for the sake of changing the dating style is not OK.'' ]<sup>]</sup> 20:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I think a reasonable reading of that is that he is referring to articles on (say) China, where the ] says: ''Elsewhere, either format is acceptable.''. It would not be right to go changing every article on China to a uniform American Dating or International Dating format because the MoS doesn't mention a preferred format and it would be a clear violation of JGuk and Sortan to go around changing things to a personal preference. Your personal interpretation seems to dictate a ban on any format changes, and that seems unreasonable. I'd prefer it if you contacted Raul to work out a consistency of opinion, please. I'm not trying to be provocative, and I'm sorry if you take it that way. I am trying to find what is and isn't acceptable, and as I say it is difficult and frustrating to be told different things by different people, especially when they are in positions of authority. --] 21:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
My position is entirely consistent with that of Raul's. Stop pretending that there is a difference of opinion here through which you can slip your date changes. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
:You might like to go and harangue , who has undone one of your reverts, citing a convention. --] 21:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
You're the one who is haranguing. Yossarian is wrong, but I'm not going to get worked up about one date change. However, if I find people systematically working their way through articles for the purpose of changing date formats to their preferred version, I certainly will block them, as per many ArbCom precedents. ]<sup>]</sup> 21:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Thanks. Could you cite those many precedents on date style, please? I've for a comment, because you seem to think I'm harassing you. I think your opinion is wrong, but as I've said elsewhere, one does not argue right of way with a speeding semi-trailer, and on that point I note your continued threats to block, placing me in an impossible position. --] 21:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC) | |||
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==Princess parrot== | |||
Hey-the reason I hadn't shot the ] nonsense on sight was that it had been put there by a nonsense-adding vandal subsequently identified by someone else as the General Tojo vandal, and once I started reverting his edits, he got angry and started issuing me vandalism warnings. Tired of being called a vandal for clearing out nonsense, I started just flagging his BS instead of removing it. Anyway, so I'm glad you fixed it. ] 22:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for the explanation! Fair enough - there are some people on WP whose aim in what passes for a life is to make life difficult for good faith editors. I must admit my eyebrows shot skywards when I saw this stuff! --] 23:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Well... After I removed it, the Parrot stuff was re-added from this different IP, , from which there are also a couple of potential-nonsense bits of info on airlines you might be interested in shooting down? ] 01:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Pnatt == | |||
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:This appears to be a mistake on the part of the nominator. I'll contact him. In the meantime, I posted on the IfD page explaining the image. --] 20:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC) | |||
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I'm afraid you have the wrong edit of the stick over Pnatt. He was not blocked for changing a spelling. He was blocked, as he has been repeatedly, for deliberately starting edit wars over language, posting misleading summaries and lots of other behaviour. Since he came on to WP in April he has done little but edit war all over the place, and refused appeals from many users to stop. Such has been his behaviour that his blocks have steadily climbed. He has consistently ignored all blocks and once they expire returned to fight the exact same battles the exact same way. He has been warned by various users that as he seemed to think day or even week blocks were no big deal, the length of each block would increase until he got the message. The last block for his behaviour was one month. When after all of that he ''still'' returned to his old stomping ground to try to trigger off more edit wars it was upped to five weeks, as is standard in cases of such behaviour. (Technically he was lucky only to get five weeks. Many users would have upped it to two months.) At this stage he has contributed nothing but disruption, attacks and edit wars to WP. Maybe it is time he was blocked indefinitely. Few users have been blocked so often in such a short time and not been banned from the site completely by now. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 22:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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As I said to Pnatt: | |||
:''It is not your (relatively few comparatively) genuine edits to articles that concern me as much as your repetetive and aggressive conduct and you absurd edit summaries. Xtra 13:39, 5 June 2006 (UTC)'' | |||
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== award == | |||
This is not about usage. It is about unnacceptable and continual bad conduct. However, if you do want to go there I would not rely on the ABC to say what word is and is not acceptable. If you really want to look into it go to www.google.com.au - do a search under "pages from Australia" and search for "programme" - you will find many hits. ] 01:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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==Sheila Gallagher photo== | |||
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After improving the Sheila Gallagher article, I nominated your photo of her to be the Showcase Picture for the London Portal for January 2007. You can participate in the nomination at ] -- ] 16:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC) | |||
:It looks like the nomination was a great The image appeared as the Showcase Picture for the ] for ]. -- ] 17:24, 19 March 2007 (UTC) | |||
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:I take your point about conduct, but on looking at Pnatt's edits, it seems that he hasn't done anything since returning from a four week block to justify reinposing it. Any incivility has certainly been mild and there has been no recurrence of some early edits which are quite disturbing. | |||
:I'm inclined to agree with his call of vandalism. The Macquarie Dictionary - the standard dictionary of Australian English - lists "program" but not "programme" except as an alternative to "program". And that's from '''twenty-five years ago'''. What dictionary are you using as a reference for Australian English? | |||
::A revert with an explanation IS NOT VANDALSIM. You should read ] and ]. I use Chambers dictionary. ] 04:02, 6 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Thank you. ] is an authoritative source of ''British'' English, but for current ''Australian'' usage it can hardly be relied upon as a source, and the recognised standard for Australian English is the ], which prefers "program" over "programme". On checking your revert with an explanation, I find : "rvt. we do not change from so called brittish spelling (accepted australian spelling) on australian articles". If I saw that as an edit summary from a new editor, I would be inclined to think poorly of the editor. The point is that Australian English is '''not''' British English, as we can easily see by comparing standard dictionaries. --] 05:34, 6 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
I think you are unwise to back Pnatt. Please his his contribution history. I am scrutinising him more than I would scrutinise others '''because''' he has a very bad record with civility and repeat reversions and misleading edit summaries. On the spelling issue, I believe both are just as acceptable but programme is more formal. ] 02:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I am now aware of his history, for which thanks to yourself and others. However, I still cannot see why he received such a savage block - it looks as if he was being punished for his previous sins, for which he had already received four weeks. I am rather disappointed that a new editor has been treated in such a fashion instead of being encouraged towards good behaviour. His final comment that he wanted to remain in WP and make useful contributions seemed very encouraging to me. As for program/program, to be blunt, you're wrong and he's right, and making it a pissing contest over who's an admin and who's not sounds like a bad way to write an encyclopaedia. You should pick your battles, wait till you are undeniably right and he's wrong and THEN jump in. --] 06:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
::I thought that this time at least the block was premature, I gave him one warning and was willing to just sit back and wait, but someone stepped in. It is my honest opinion that it was highly likely that if not blocked then, Pnatt's conduct would have deteriorated as it did in the past. ] 07:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Gettysburg == | |||
Nice change with the Everett photo. And thanks for your kind words on the talk page. I love that article, but I think the real strength of it is Lincoln's words coming through. It's just an unbelievable speech. Thanks for your contribution. ] 02:59, 9 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Poll options on Fred Dibnah's birthplace == | |||
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== Pnatt == | |||
Hi Super Jumbo, back in 2005 you added in an image link to the Canberra airport article: | |||
], but it does not seem to be there now. Do you have a picture suitable for the infobox there, that you could upload? ] 23:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC) | |||
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You are missing the point with Pnatt. That user didn't simply correct an error. His past behaviour involved edit warring over use of language, spelling and Australian English usage. He had been involved in very bitter exchanges with Xtra. There are over one million articles on Misplaced Pages, yet he chose the same issue, with the same users, to start off his post-block edits. Going straight back to the very topic that had got him repeatedly warned for his behaviour, picked up where he went off and started yet another row on the issue is tactless to put it mildly. Posting an edit summary ''revert vandalism by Xtra'' sums up his approach. It is hard to believe that someone who deliberately targets the ''same'' topic after repeated blocks for his behaviour on the issue before, and who seems to target someone he had been rowing with before, is anything other than a troll. He could have edited anywhere on Misplaced Pages. He chose to go straight back to his old fighting on the ''same'' topic with the ''same'' users. That pretty much sums up his attitude and explains why he has been repeatedly banned, and going by past behaviour, why he will no doubt be banned again when he comes back. | |||
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Unfortunately those of us who have dealt with him have had the same experience over and over. He edit wars on the topic of language. He is told to cool it. He gets hotter and more provocative. He is given a series of warnings, then a final warning, then a ban. He throws a tantrum on his user page, it is locked. Then when he comes back he goes straight for the same topic and starts it all over again. He is warned, ignores the warning, gets himself blocked for longer, abuses the user page, gets it locked, comes back, picks on a word and starts edit warring again (preferably having found either a word or an article that either has an edit history with one of his "combatants"), goes in and starts it again, gets warned, gets banned . . . etc. I don' think, going by your comments, that you realise this. It wasn't a case of fixing a spelling. It was a case of finding an Australian topic, preferably language or spelling, to start another edit war. He has been at this since April. And when his block ends he will do the exact same again. | |||
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The reason why I and others, after clear warnings, have been increasing his block is because smaller blocks didn't make the slightest difference to him. Users had hoped that the month block would have got it through to him to stop the edit warring on Australian topics and in particular language, but true to form on his second edit he was off again, this time with ''program/me''. If it wasn't that it would have been something else. It wasn't an innocent case of correcting a spelling, but just his latest gaming. Maybe this time a five week week block will get it through to him that Misplaced Pages wasn't joking. When we said ''stop it'' we meant it. At this stage I am seriously doubting his credibility as a user and wondering if he is simply one of the various users banned from Misplaced Pages. A few of them have a habit of launching sockpuppets and waging edit wars on picture locations, on spellings, or split infinitives, you name it. I can't help wonder if this is just another. If it is, and checkuser shows it, then Pnatt will be blocked permanently as per Arbcom rules, and whichever banned user is responsible will have their ban restarted as of the last pnatt edit. ]]\<sup><font color="blue">]</font></sup> 23:52, 13 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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== Permission to use Sheila Gallagher == | |||
== Pnatt == | |||
He is writing provocative things on his page and I won't let them go unanswered. | |||
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I work on the BBC tv programme Have I Got News For you and we would really like to use your picture of Sheila Gallagher outside st. Pauls in the show we are recording tomorrow which goes out on TV on Friday. i would really appreciate it if you could get back to me asap to let me know if this would be possible. My email address is kates@hattrick.com. | |||
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:Could I ask the same of you, please? We can hardly expect him to follow a higher standard than we set. I'm rather sorry I got embroiled in all this, but I'd like to see if we can get a positive outcome. --] 09:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:::Try to put yourself in his shoes. He sees you using words like "moron" and reverting without discussion, and that's the example being set, and then you (and others) criticise him for doing exactly what he sees you doing. He came back from a long block, apparently with a good attitude and a desire to do better, and he gets ganged up on. I can't blame him for feeling frustrated! --] 10:26, 18 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
When I have reverted Pnatt I have given a reason ] 04:14, 19 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I don't want to argue with you. Please put yourself in his shoes and ask yourself how he will respond. I'm hoping that we can channel his energy into constructive purposes. There's certainly enough work to do. I'm encouraged by JTDIRL's recent posts, which show he is understanding Pnatt's behaviour. As another participant in this affair pointed out, OCD explains his behaviour, but doesn't excuse it. --] 05:25, 19 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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::I know you have striven to show tolerance to Pnatt. I am glad you did. I may have sounded excessively strong to you. You were not aware that those of us who had dealt with his behaviour had been on the same merry-go-round since April: appeals to stop, warnings, blocks, abuse of talk page, locking of talk page, expiry of block, fighting again, block, abuse of talk page . . .. As you can see Pnatt is difficult to deal with. I know the block for a spelling correction seemed excessive to you. It was simply that I had been around the block so often with him, and knew from experience that the spelling correction was step one of the next round, followed hours, sometimes ''minutes'' later, by another row, then another, then more edit wars, etc. So I stepped in at step 1 to stop it because from experience I could see ''exactly'' where it was heading. | |||
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A380 delivery
Just a note on your recent deletion of my A380 delivery date 2008 from the Qantas entry: Going by media sources you are correct. QF internal sources differ, but I am unable to quote them, so we'll leave it at 2007 until the information has been made public. Sasha 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks! I don't doubt you, in the light of recent media stories on A380 delays, but we have to stick to things for which we have checkable sources. It is fine to quote existing media sources expressing doubt about delivery date, even if they don't give precise dates. Personally I'm disappointed, as I fly Qantas internationally a reasonable amount (I should go platinum in three weeks, joy!) and the extra room would be most welcome. --Jumbo 00:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Editing of date format
Just a note on your recent edit to Geelong, Victoria. Editing date formats has no real purpose, as editors have the option to select how they wish to view dates under their personal Preferences section (above). Check under the 'Dates and Times' heading in Preferences for more information. Cheers. -- Longhair 06:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Most of our readers don't have accounts, and hence see dates in their "raw" format. See WP:DATE for more information. --Jumbo 06:47, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good point. Just thought it was worth noting as fiddling with dates can get up the noses of others around here - I myself don't mind, but I've seen it happen before :) Thanks for the speedy reply. -- Longhair 06:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'll tread carefully in future! --Jumbo 07:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
- Good point. Just thought it was worth noting as fiddling with dates can get up the noses of others around here - I myself don't mind, but I've seen it happen before :) Thanks for the speedy reply. -- Longhair 06:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
A380 gates
Please read my response on the SFO talk page. Thanks 67.180.5.182 00:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about the anon posting, I seemed to have lost my account information. I guess I get a little defensive when it's about my home airport! I can't wait until the day when I drive down 101 and see a mammoth A380 parked at the gate. 67.180.5.182 00:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- Singapore Airlines promises A380 ops into Sydney by the end of the year. I will probably drive up and take a look-see. No plans for me to return to SFO before April 2007, when my next RTW is scheduled. I do my best to avoid LAX nowadays, but SFO is one of my favorites. Hard to go past SIN and HKG, though. --Jumbo 00:58, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Date format change
Your question:
Looking at this diff, I'm wondering if there was any reason why you changed the format of the date from International Dating to American Dating? --Jumbo 04:32, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I linked it so the user preferences for data formatting applied. I'm not sure that the mediawiki software can interpret forms other than August 17 and 17 August so I changed it to one of those formats while linking it. It shouldn't matter now that preferences apply because everyone will see it in the preference they have selected. If you happen to know if the software for implementing preferences can support ], please let me know. As for changing from number before month to number after, I'm not sure I was even aware I was doing that. RJFJR 13:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
- I'm doing much the same thing. User preferences only work with correctly wikilinked dates, but most of our readers don't have accounts, so they see the "raw" format. These should be as per the Manual of Style, and changing one format to the other raises all sorts of hackles, I've discovered! --Jumbo 17:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Dates on Elizabeth II
True, but there's also this... If you would like to change it; please do. -Justin (koavf)·T·C·M 21:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Date format changes
As has been explained to you quite clearly, you should not be going around changing date formats to your own preferences. No "senior editors" have told you any different including Raul654. I've cleaned up some of your mess, and if I see you doing it again, you will quickly find yourself blocked a 4th time for making arbitrary date format changes. I hope that is absolutely crystal clear. Jayjg 16:43, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thank you. Put simply, my preferences are that articles on American subjects use month-day-year American Dating, and articles on British subjects use day-month-year International Dating. Without presuming to be rude, may I ask you to please point out precisely where in the discussion to which you refer, the reverse is explained "quite clearly"? I would also like your interpretation on Raul's comments here, where he says:
- My interpretation (and, I think, the Arbcom's interpretation as well) of the Manual of style and Sortan ruling is as follows: for a British or British commonwealth related article, the British style is the preferred style and it's OK to change American to British style; for an American related article, the American style is the preferred style and it's OK to change British to American.
- Again I make the point that it is difficult and frustrating to be told contrary things by senior editors, and to be threatened with blocks if I follow the opinion of one over the other. If you do not agree with Raul, then I hope you will not take it amiss if I ask you to to look back over the years-long process of gaining consensus on date formats, concur with your fellows, sort out a consistency of opinion, and let me (and the rest of the community of editors) know what it might be. If you concur with Raul's interpretation, then may I request that you kindly undo your reverts of my careful work (my "mess", as you put it). --Jumbo 20:26, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
What is actually "frustrating and difficult" is that you have deliberately misquoted Raul again, as has been pointed out to you before. You left off the part immediately after that statement, where he said However, it is patently not acceptable to change one acceptable style to another unless you are (a) making the article self consistent, or (b) you have a compelling reason, such as expanding the article from a 1 paragraph stub to featured article. (Simply changing the dating style for the sake of changing the dating style is not OK. Jayjg 20:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- I think a reasonable reading of that is that he is referring to articles on (say) China, where the Manual of Style says: Elsewhere, either format is acceptable.. It would not be right to go changing every article on China to a uniform American Dating or International Dating format because the MoS doesn't mention a preferred format and it would be a clear violation of JGuk and Sortan to go around changing things to a personal preference. Your personal interpretation seems to dictate a ban on any format changes, and that seems unreasonable. I'd prefer it if you contacted Raul to work out a consistency of opinion, please. I'm not trying to be provocative, and I'm sorry if you take it that way. I am trying to find what is and isn't acceptable, and as I say it is difficult and frustrating to be told different things by different people, especially when they are in positions of authority. --Jumbo 21:02, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
My position is entirely consistent with that of Raul's. Stop pretending that there is a difference of opinion here through which you can slip your date changes. Jayjg 21:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- You might like to go and harangue Yossarian, who has undone one of your reverts, citing a convention. --Jumbo 21:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
You're the one who is haranguing. Yossarian is wrong, but I'm not going to get worked up about one date change. However, if I find people systematically working their way through articles for the purpose of changing date formats to their preferred version, I certainly will block them, as per many ArbCom precedents. Jayjg 21:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks. Could you cite those many precedents on date style, please? I've asked Raul for a comment, because you seem to think I'm harassing you. I think your opinion is wrong, but as I've said elsewhere, one does not argue right of way with a speeding semi-trailer, and on that point I note your continued threats to block, placing me in an impossible position. --Jumbo 21:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hey-the reason I hadn't shot the Princess Parrot nonsense on sight was that it had been put there by a nonsense-adding vandal subsequently identified by someone else as the General Tojo vandal, and once I started reverting his edits, he got angry and started issuing me vandalism warnings. Tired of being called a vandal for clearing out nonsense, I started just flagging his BS instead of removing it. Anyway, so I'm glad you fixed it. CHE 22:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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