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bzuk made errorious statements at other pages that resulted in this page belocked from editing. Those statement are now recognized as false. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 10:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Users== |
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The users section is not reflective of the primary users. The USMC and USSR exceeded the RCAF . The USN , as stated in the article, only conducted trials with G & H series. The RAF supplied other Commonwealth Nations from its Lend Lease allocations. The RCAF used much of its allocations in North America as trainers, therefore reducing the total used in combat operations. Recommend the top four as AAF, RAF, USSR, USMC. |
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==Error== |
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I just noticed the spec |
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3,200 lb (1,800 kg) bombs |
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Clearly an error, as 3200 lb is more like 1500 kg. But I have no idea which number is right, so I'll leave that to the experts... |
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:It's 4,000 lb (1,815 kg). Thanks for catching that one! - ] ] 06:23, 9 March 2006 (UTC) |
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== bibliography== |
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Avery, N.L.; B-25 Mithchell The Magnificent Medium; Phalanx Publishing Co., St. Paul, MN; 1992. ISBN 0-9625860-5-6 |
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See pages 48 et seq for the B-25 and the BIG GUN |
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Includin pg 51 for X' and 52 for C-20/25 modifications and picture of one in sea sweep configurarion. See pages 100 for C1/D1 and 109 for G side pack in VII. see pages 114 and 120 for G-12 mods. See also Albatross instructions for Luscious Lucy and Shady Lady ( web search) and Sq/S In Action B-25. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 12:50, 21 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== ] == |
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Currently the article contains no mention of the 1945 crash. I figure it's worth a mention in here, because that and the doolittle raid are probably the two events that place the B-25 in the public eye. ] 06:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC) |
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Not only that, but, on September 11, 2001,after the first plane crashed into the first tower of the World Trade Center, people were referring to the B-25 hitting the ], (in bad weather). Until the second plane slammed into the second tower of the World Trade Center. Then they stopped talking about the B-25 accident. Also, many people before 9-11-01,asked the question; what would happen if a plane hit the World Trade Center? The builders would respond that when the B-25 hit the Empire State Building, the structure was not damaged too badly, therefore, if a plane hit the World Trade Center, the building(s) would survive. They failed to take into account the differences between a plane built in the 1940's and a plane built around 2001. ] 18:09, 15 May 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk |
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::Actually, the World Trade Center was designed to handle a fully loaded 707 hitting it (the WTC was directly in the flight path of three major airports) what they did not take into consideration was '''fully loaded with fuel''' hitting at take-off speed hitting the building. The structures of both building are different - Empire State is girder construction while WTC was platform construction (which doe not do too well under both stress & intense fire] (]) 19:26, 6 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Modifications that won the war == |
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Can someone have a look at ], Queensland and Mount Louisa and if there is any useful information, update this article. |
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thanks |
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=="Museum" display== |
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There is a B-25 bomber ("Skunkie") at Owens Field in ] that is, I believe, visible to the public. I've seen it on my own (actually been up to it, around it) once, in addition to a number of old jeeps. However, I went by recently and the gate was locked. With permission from the airfield, I believe one may see the plane. It is visible partially in the old hangar (http://www.curtisswrighthangar.com/start.html) over the doors. If you think this can count as being added to the list, please let me know. ] 03:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC) |
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== Regarding "Catch-22" |
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The aircraft in "Catch-22" were B-24 Liberators, not B-25 Mitchells. And I thought it was a B-24 which struck the Empire State Building, not a B-25. |
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the crash was also a B-25, not a Lib. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:33, 14 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::Suggest you goto ] for the entire B-25 listing done in December 2007] (]) 19:22, 6 February 2008 (UTC) |
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Some people confuse the B-24 and B-25 because of their tails. But the B-24 was a much larger aircraft. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 03:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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:''Catch 22'' used B-24s? Perhaps the viewer was watching in stereo. ] 17:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC). |
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The survivors page does not list the B-25J on display at the Air Zoo in Kalamazoo, MI. It is listed on the Air Zoo's Wiki page at http://en.wikipedia.org/Air_Zoo, which does not state that it is a replica. |
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::I corrected that one without even seeing your note. Also, please sign your talk-page comments with four tildes; it lets us see not just who made the comment, but date-stamps it, too. ] 14:17, 30 March 2007 (UTC) |
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==Flaming Mamie== |
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The section on the de-icing tests is way out of line with the rest of the article. It really needs paring or a separate page, IMHO. ] 17:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC). |
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:Done -] 13:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==Regarding "Survivors"== |
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The Collings Foundation owns and operates a B-25J (http://www.collingsfoundation.org/tx_b-25jmitchell.htm) which should be added to the list. It is an operational aircraft that flies to many cities in the United States each year as part of their "Wings of Freedom" tour. I was able to view this fine aircraft up close at Moffett National Airfield a couple of days ago.] 07:22, 19-May-2007 (UTC) |
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At a recent Air show at Bellville, Willow Run Airport, MI they had 15 B-25s flying, at list of them can be found at |
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http://www.yankeeairmuseum.org/airshow/aircraft.htm |
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::: bunch of posting - B-25 Survivors has been moved - lots and lots of links enjoy] (]) 19:20, 6 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Suggestion for the survivor list == |
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Since there are so many B25's listed as surviving in the article, should they be spun off to their own ''Surviving B-25 Mitchells''? Then we could expand on the individual planes, and the article would be a little less cluttered. |
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--] 06:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
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::: Done that - enjoy] (]) 19:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Popular culture - Novel reference == |
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Anyone else ever read ''Whip'' by Martin Caidin and think it'd warrant some coverage here? The machinegun-heavy Mitchells feature extensively in that novel. 'Course, the novel would merit an article of its own as well. |
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--] 06:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==Er, that gunpod== |
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Just a little one, the "late model" gunpod was actually the first design of gunpod used on the B-25; it was based on a design manufactured in Brisbane, Australia for "Pappy" Gunn's B-25 gunship conversions. The later design of gunpod used two separate, elongated-oval shaped blisters...] (]) 23:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC) |
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Fairfax mod center KC had an interim design which was hinged rather than removed but otherwise similar to the SWPA style. See Avery for images. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Caption updated. Thanks for finding the mistake! --] (]) 18:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC) |
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:Otherwise a good article. Cheers ] (]) 22:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== Survivors == |
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New article on B-25 Survivors now open - moved info from old section (as needed) to new |
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==Range== |
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I understand the aircraft had a superior range, enabling its role in the Doolittle raid. Could anyone explain which design features contributed to this? Any key technologies?--] (]) 19:16, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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:Superior is a comparative, superior range to what? The range required for the Doolittle raid required removing almost all nonessential hardware and systems to reduce overall aircraft weight. -- ] (]) 22:32, 23 February 2008 (UTC) |
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== Contradict == |
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The casualty figures given in this article and those in the Doolittle Raid article don't agree. I've added the tag until somebody with better sources than I can give a definite answer. -- ] (]) 20:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:The U.S. Navy Naval History Center writes: " The other fifteen planes, with their seventy-five men, flew on toward China, where darkness forced four to crash-land or ditch offshore. With fuel running out after some fifteen hours of flying, eleven crews took to their parachutes. Three men were killed at this time. Local residents saved most of the others and heroically spirited them through Japanese-held territory to safety. The vengeful enemy retaliated with a vicious ground offensive, killing tens of thousands of Chinese over the following months. The Japanese also were able to capture eight men from two planes' crews. Three of these prisoners of war, Second Lieutenants Dean E. Hallmark and William G. Farrow and Sergeant Harold A. Spatz, were executed at Shanghai in October 1942. Another, Lieutenant Robert J. Meder, died in prison more than a year later. The remaining airmen eventually returned to duty with the Army Air Forces, and twelve of these lost their lives later in the war." -- ] 23:24 19 Jul 2008 (UTC) |
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== Used by USAF until when ? == |
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I saw this in a newspaper article "PITTSBURGH—Divers and scientists plan to spend the weekend in Pittsburgh's Monongahela River, using new technology to search the murky waters for a mystery a half-century old: the remnants of a World War II-era bomber that crashed into the river during the Cold War. |
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The official story is that the B-25 bomber ran out of fuel on Jan. 31, 1956, when it was on its way to Harrisburg, and plunged into the river, narrowly missing a busy Pittsburgh bridge." |
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Anyone know until when the B-25 was used in USAF service ? |
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Cheers |
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--] (]) 08:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Image copyright problem with File:Empirestate540.jpg== |
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The image ] is used in this article under a claim of ], but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the ] when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an ] linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check |
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:* That there is a ] on the image's description page for the use in this article. |
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This is an automated notice by ]. For assistance on the image use policy, see ]. --15:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== added Noteable B-25's section == |
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Just like the B-17 article, I've inserted a notable B-25 section. As more articles are created, please insert links to them in there.] (]) 21:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC) |
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:I moved the Ruptured Duck link down to see also, dont need a section just for links. The other is not really notable it just has survived in a museum and as such is in the survivors sub-article and is not needed in the main article. ] (]) 21:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC) |
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== Copyyio? Use without credit? == |
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is substantially similar to versions of our article between |
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Since our article has evolved over the last four years, a little at a time, it seems clear that their article infringes on ours and not the other way around. I have sent an e-mail to the museum and its website developers asking for an appropriate credit and license. . . <strong>Jim</strong> - ] (] • ]) 14:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC) |
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==Contradict 2== |
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The section about Australian air force says ''"It was not until the spring of 1944 that the Australians were to get Mitchells. By the spring of 1944, No. 18 Squadron had more than enough Mitchells ....."''. Which is correct? ] (]) 00:32, 2 March 2012 (UTC) |
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==''Catch-22''== |
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The main article should include some discussion of the B-25's role in ]'s novel ], as well as the instrumentality of the film of the same name in preserving many examples of the aircraft. See: ]. ] (]) 14:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC) |
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== Naming == |
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Strikes me that since it is unusual for a USAAF aircraft to be named after someone, it's something that ought to be addresses in the article. When did the B-25 get the name "Mitchell" and who made the choice? ] (]) 05:38, 27 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== no vandalism please== |
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Recent changes to gunship section is document in bibliography & ref above. I could not get into edit mode @ where BIBLIOGRAPHY should be. |
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