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Hello, Maurreen. Welcome to Misplaced Pages! Great to have you aboard. If you haven't yet perused ], I encourage you to do so at your convenience.
I appreciate your care and diligence to present McClatchy in its very best light, both in wording and in professional AP style, per the AP style guidelines.


Hello! I'm interested in reviving the ] and noticed that you were a member. Would you be interested in helping to start this WikiProject up again? <span style="font-family:monospace;">'''] (]&#124;])'''</span> 16:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
However, The AP manual of style is not what Misplaced Pages goes by. It has its own ], which you may wish to peruse. Note that the Wikpedia Manual of Style is only a guideline - a suggested way of having text look on its site - and not any kind of heavyhanded thing that is rigorously enforced. (smile)


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In that light, the way I set the text (admittedly with a few additions which come from my knowledge of the company where it got its start - California's San Joaquin and Sacramento Valleys) was in the usual Misplaced Pages style. If that is not what you want, that's fine with me - but it might be useful to know how different your edit looks compared to many other articles on Misplaced Pages about other United States newspapers such as the ], the ], the ], the ], the ], the ] and the ], to name a few.


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Also, since Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia and not a newspaper, it does things a bit differently in its articles. Misplaced Pages community consensus to date agrees that an introductory paragraph about the article's subject, covering what it is notable for in summary form, is standard.


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What you do with the article is up to you. I am just letting you know in a (hopefully) kind and gentle way that your editing style is just a wee bit different from what most do around Misplaced Pages. That's to be expected, seeing you are new! Hopefully you will decide to stay around here awhile - which is my sincere hope - and "learn the ropes" much as I did earlier this year. I know you are new, and I'd like to be of help if you don't mind. You are very welcome to discuss anything about Misplaced Pages you would like to me (or any other Wikipedian you desire). I'd welcome your thoughts to me, if so desired. I was once new to Misplaced Pages, so I know how it feels to be new and not know everything. . . Actually, I still don't know a lot as yet. You may reach me at my user page, ], and leave messages at the ''<u>bottom</u>'' of my ''discussion'' page - the tab just to the right of the user page up on top of your screen. Happy Trails, --] 07:22, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)


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Good evening, Maurreen! (or is it Good Morning. . .) (wink) Thanks for your very nice note just now. Yes, I was trying to be thoughtful, thanks.
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Nah, I don't think there's as yet a formal Manual of Style for newspaper names. I gave you those links to US newspapers so that you could get a feel for how other Wikipedians dealt with the subject. I guess you can see a few warts there. . . Anyways, the Wiki Manual of Style says that when all else fails, the Chicago Manual of Style is a good resource to go to.


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Understand the bit about getting the name right. FWIW, I've always referred to your employer as "McClatchy Newspapers" - and though I haven't yet done a Google test on that particular term, I suspect that that might be the most used term out there in cyberspace. You titled the article McClatchy. That is also fine with me. I am not by nature an argumentative person, and the minutiae of the naming can cross a threshold that causes me distress. . . So I tend not to get super involved in minutiae like that.


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Glad to add a bit more on the company. The usual Misplaced Pages custom is to leave in those type of items in the most current revision.


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You don't sound terse to me in your reply to me just now - not at all! You are probably a bit tired at your hour of the night, while I'm not at bedtime hour just yet. I give you slack to make a flub or two, OK? (grin) Happy Trails, --] 04:13, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)


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Hi Maurreen &ndash; shall we unlist Hamdi from the COTW nominations? We're the only two votes so far, and the article now looks quite satisfactory, not really a COTW candidate anymore. ] 10:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
*Hi Maurreen -- thanks for your note that you unlisted Hamdi -- it took me a while to notice it, since you placed it on my user page instead of my talk page :-) ] 21:11, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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Hi Maurreen, you added "Category:U.S. Marine Corps equipment" to the ] page, and then moved it to the "Category:Amphibious vehicles" page.
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I think you were right the first time (with "Category:U.S. Marine Corps equipment" on the AAAV page).
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Perhaps there can be some further discussion, there. ] 15:52, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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==Dates and commas==


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Maurreen, I've added this to the manual of style discussion page. I thought, trying to be helpful rather than patronising (which is difficult to convey as I've not yet found a way to convey tone in writing), that I'd add it here too.


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The problem is that dates can be used in different ways. When used in an adverbial phrase, commas may be used (though some would omit them):


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On 5 November 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the English parliament; OR
On November 5, 1605, Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the English parliament.


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As nouns and adjectives, no comma would be used after the year:


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The 5 November 1605 plot was perpetrated by Guy Fawkes and others; OR
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So, coming back to 9/11, this could be referred to as:
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The 11 September 2001 attacks; OR
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I must say, however, and please take this as a pure aside, that when used as an adjective, even the American format of the date looks better without a comma to me, perhaps both with and without are correct there. ] 19:34, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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:Would you believe it, I can only find US websites on the point. I'll revise the noun construction (since the format MM/DD/YY is American, I'll have to concede to US English on this one - though it is very jarring to a British eye). This gives:
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November 5, 1605, saw Guy Fawkes try to blow up the English parliament.
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I can find no examples of dates being used as adjectives. I can see no reason to break the normal rule of having no comma between an adjective and the noun. Certainly, even if you find an American reference for it, I would argue strongly against it for an International encyclopaedia. ] 20:03, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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::Actually, I've just searched on google under 'September 11, 2001 attacks' - this version wins out easily. ] 20:21, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)


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In reply to your comment on my talk page, after typing it into google, I went down the list to see whether the underlying examples coming up in the short description of each article that google gives use 1 or 2 commas. ] 14:21, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)


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Please don't remove articles from their parent categories just because they themselves define a subcategory&mdash;the article is properly placed in whatever category their own category is. ] is a core kind of museum, and so should be classified under ]. Otherwise, a visitor to the article can only see that there are more science museum-related articles, rather than the existence of other fundamental museum topics of which ]s are one in a series. This aids navigation in addition to properly classifying an article. This is very different than the redundancy that occurs when an article that is merely a member of a subcategory is placed within every parent to that subcategory, such as if ] were placed in ], of which ] is itself merely one in a series of members. Thanks! ] 22:38, 9 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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Hi, M, & welcome.<br>
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This is the first i've noticed you, but as with at least the first handful who did (i didn't read much further) i'm impressed and pleased about your being here. I suppose your good record from the start of proofreading before saving is no surprise, from a professional writer. (I just hope the many amateurs like myself don't exasperate you!) I also anticipate your being a truly major contributor, if you sustain your rate of the last month!


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What finally caught my attention was your Cat edit at ]. It was i who moved it from ] to ], and i applaud your adding the ] tag, since that subdivision of journalism (which never occurred to me) is a valuable refinement. My guess is that you dumped the old Cat believing it had become redundant. What is by no means obvious is that for Cat purposes the distinction between occupations and the people who practice them is crucial. To dramatize that, your change removed ]'s bio from being a descendant of the high-level ], for which one of the Cat-system's creators' specific goals is to have all bios among its descendants: as far as the Cat system is concerned, you decertified her as a person . (I've added the old Cat to your valuable new one.)

In my mind, a basic set of principles (tho i'm sure you've already learned more "advanced" things abt Cats) is that
* where one of two Cats could include everything the other could, an article (or Cat) goes, with very rare exceptions, in the narrower of the two but not in the wider, but
* two Cats that overlap, without either covering the whole of the other's ground, are entirely compatible, and it is preferred to apply them both to any article that
** is independently of encyclopedic interest in connection with each, or
** rises to that interest because of the combination.

Of course, you may already see that, and just have missed the fact that we have numerous categories in and descended from ] as part of the "people tree".

I've put (what feels like) a lot of Cat-related editing into that tree and little into other Cats, and i can imagine that you might give special focus to the journalists and journalism trees. I doubt i am going to push much deeper than ], but you also might like to look above and below from that Cat; i certainly would endorse parallels, for most of the occupational subdivisions i imagine in ], within ].

BTW, after musing over how many female Marines there might've been (and, excuse me, how many cross-dressing ones!), i finally got it about your name. Nice choice!

Looking forward to future path-crossings, i'm<br>
--]] 05:11, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)

Re name: Wow! (Can't help my perverse curiosity about how you got ridden over that, in the Corps.)

Re Adv. Col.: point well taken; i may not have gotten around to saying it, but that is the type of insight that i meant to say i would expect more from you than from me; i encourage you to implement if you're willing.

(I'm also mulling whether i carelessly call people (perhaps lacking J ethos) journalists just bcz they write for short-cycle pubs, or think of them still as journalists when they take off their usual short-cycle hat & write books. But i don't presume to conclude. )

--]] 07:32, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)

Didn't have this user-name on the tip of my tongue last night, in case you haven't noticed him: ]
--]] 17:43, 2004 Oct 15 (UTC)

==]==
Why have you been removing the links to the "Military term" category? I think it's pretty useful for things like ] and ]. In any event, please discuss such wide-reaching changes on ] before deciding to implement them. --] 21:25, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

== 9/11 poll ==

Whoops! Sorry - voting in the ''correct'' one now :) ] ]]]]]]] 22:30, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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