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==What Really Happened afd2== | |||
*Just wanted to let you know that an anon IP changed your Delete to a Keep, so I changed it back. Diffs posted on the discussion.--] 16:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks, ] <sup>]</sup> 16:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::What a disaster that Afd is.--] 16:37, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Instructive though, in a sick, sad way. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::What exactly do you mean? ] 02:48, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::The site says, "help keep us on Misplaced Pages" and fans show up and "vote" keep. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::I wasn't aware of that. But do you really think the site is not notable enough to keep? I'm not a regular there, but I know it's an alternative staple. ] 03:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::It looks to me like it fails ], and I think WP:WEB is already too inclusive. Because we are often on line, and get a lot of our information there, I think we introduce a bias that exaggerates the importance of on-line material. But I'm content to give my opinion and let the AfD take its course. The closing admin will have to disentangle the wikipedia community's consensus from the meaningless remarks by people who only showed up to vote. Ultimately, the WP:WEB guideline is whatever we choose to make it. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:34, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::That's interesting. I've never gone over ], so I'll check it out. Off the top of my head I'll say that web based information is growing exponentially in influence, traffic, peoples ability to access it, and in some cases, reliability. For those reasons, I find it hard to exaggerate the importance of on-line material. ] 03:43, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
See my interesting findings, i showed them on the afd, and then explain to me why it fails WPWEB. --] 17:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I see three criteria for web content: multiple non-trivial published works; a well known and independent award; content distributed by a site well known and independent. The mentions in the Toronto Star, even taken at face value, don't seen to me to satisfy the first. The awards mentioned are not well known. The third item seems not to apply. Finally, that AfD page is a zoo, and I won't be commenting there, or here, further. I've given my opinion and am content to let the closing admin decide. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== ] == | |||
What bothered me was stuff like this: "For instance, it is easier to conceptualize an acceleration of 2 g's than an acceleration of 19.6 meters per second squared." "specific" doesn't mean "in some relative form", it normally means per unit of mass. See my note on the article's talk page. Thanks. --] 21:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Hah! the old trick of hiding discussion about the article on the article discussion page. Clever... ] <sup>]</sup> 23:11, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Irishpunktom Arbcom case== | |||
Greetings Tom, I wanted to inform you that I've made commentary ] relative to you blocking and subsequently unblocking ]. I was thinking that you might want to comment yourself in view of the assumptions I've made there. Thanks. ] 18:09, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==]== | |||
And now I have to remove all the redirects I had done.... Thanks a lot. I seem that here administrators got too stick with useless rules instead of looking at the quality of articles first. --] 13:36, 4 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Third Revert == | |||
I believe you have just reverted the Criteria for Speedy Deletion article for the 3rd time. Isn't there a rule for that? Surely you should have taken it to the discussion on the topic instead of just wading in heavy handed and blatantly reverting it because '''you''' felt like it? Where are your manners or show of good faith???? ] 02:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
There was already discussion going on about this on the talk page, but you chose to simply revert it (which was the 3rd revert made of it after mine and Tony's): ] 03:13, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
And besides violating the ], you see as demonstrating bad manners and lack of good faith? ] <sup>]</sup> 03:18, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
How would you describe an act where an ongoing discussion was ignored and the revert done despite it? Does such an act show consideration for the discussion? From this side it appears as if you feel your views have more weight and do not need to be discussed in order to reach conscensus, but I am willing to use "good faith" ''(something people are shoving down my throat lately while blatantly ignoring it themselves)'' in that you accidentally ignored the talk page, didn't look at any previous revisions and just coincidentally happened to make the same revert that had already been done twice. I believe ] would be validly used here. ] 03:27, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
No, there was no accident. I saw your edit, thought it was not an improvement, and changed it back. I don't think it warrants an extended dabate on the talk page. Write up a 3rr report if you want; as you say, mine was the third revert. You can have the last word if you want it. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
: Unlike yourself, I firmly believe in trying to understand where the other side is coming from before I do things and so I would like to know why you feel it does not improve things? Clearly from history it has been shown that the definition of those two terms has been a soruce of confusion, and surely using wiktionaries own definition for them would go a long way in clarifying them for people. Did you bother to read the talk page at all? It does clearly outline why I think they are important, yet you have done nothing at all to clearly outline why you feel they are not. ] 03:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:: Clearly you have no intention to enter into discussion, nor any intention of seeking conscesus. Why you feel that '''your''' views have more value of other people is beyond me. You have shown incrdibly bad faith, have been rude in the way you have conducted yourself and in my opinion have done nothing to improve wikipedia in this matter. Your claim that Precent should be used is obviously false as a result of this still being an issue that is debated and those many people who have complained about the fuzzy definitions being arbitrarily used to delete certain recent userboxes. ] 01:28, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I don't think you and I have anything we can usefully discuss. Best wishes, ] <sup>]</sup> 01:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Re: VProtect on Sailor moon media & release information == | |||
Sir, I don't know whether you were aware, but this article was recently added to the list of requests for protection, and was denied protection on the ground that there was not enough recent vandalism to justify protection. An article I have been reverting on for God knows how long is turned down for protection for the same reason, and the person who denied the request has not answered my appeal. Between myself and other RCP's and CVU/VCN members, we have reverted 20 vandal attacks on this page ( ] ) since the 28th of June! Could you please, considering you have Vprotected the article I refer to, consider Vprotection on ] to give us poor RCP's a break??? Thanks. ] 13:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== ] == | |||
Mainly delete the pages that was protected for over two months now unless it was recreated too many times over a long period of time, or deleted by special circumstances like ]. Thanks ] ] 01:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Your edit to ]== | |||
I noticed you marked this edit as a minor edit. "Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette, especially if the change involves the deletion of some text." | |||
Was this a mistake on your part? I certainly wouldn't consider this a minor edit. | |||
Please see ] for further details. Thanks. --] 13:25, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:The anonymous editor added a statement that Larry Silverstein admited on camera that he ordered the building's demolition. I reverted it out of hand. I think that's minor, but I can accept that a reasonable man might disagree - about the edit being major or minor, that is. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Whenever an admin uses the rollback feature, the edit is always marked automatically as minor. I would have rolled back the edit myself.--] 15:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks to you both. I thought it would be something automated like that. I'd say rollback ought only to be used for clear vandalism, what do you think? --] 22:03, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Many people do say that. I'm not sure I agree, but I understand that puts me in a minority. ] <sup>]</sup> 22:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda == | |||
] is a really comprehensive article and I agree with your comment there. I know Ron Cram and Commodore Sloat have put a lot of work into the article and I hope they work to split it up. It simply is too big, as we both observed, to simply jump and and start...this is true with the discussion pages as well, which I just archived some. Anyway, thanks for helping out.--] 20:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:It is a remarkable piece of work. I wouldn't want any of the content to be lost, but some sub-pages would probably help. I don't know how much time I'll be able to devote to it, but I think it has good prospects to develop into a solid article. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Yes, I am still there trying and anything you have to add is appreciated. I am not going to do much editing there unless it is by agreement from the two major contibutors.--] 10:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==]== | |||
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Tom Harrison Talk 20:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Look Mr Harrison it would not be necessary for me to persist if it were not for your deleting of my contribution in the first place. I deleted a few lines from some absolute rubbish of the most prejudiced kind to replace it with a proper introduction to the subject without all the psychotic/religious overtones of the introduction that you seem to be protecting. It’s a blatant abuse of your power as an administrator I’m surprised they let you continue. It really does not say much for the organisation which purports to host an encyclopaedia built on the contributions of the public if you act is such a fascist way. I'm learning all of you people’s tricks fast as I have been getting the censorship treatment on more than one occasion. How do you justify this sort of thing? | |||
I will say one thing; it has turned me from someone with an initially positive attitude in making some contributions to someone who is now very pissed off. This does not serve you well and means that you might as well be writing a little red communist book rather than free knowledge. Many others I have spoken to on forums have had similar experiences on this site and feel the same way as I do.<small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) {{{2|}}}.</small> | |||
==User:Giovanni33== | |||
What is your evidence that this user is running rather a lot of socks?] 13:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I reported him for 3RR, not for puppeteering, though he has certainly used socks in the past. Most recently ] was discussed on ANI. If you want to know about Giovanni33's socks, ] is the one to ask. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::No, she is not the one to ask for a neutral, unbiased, account--just the opposite. That is like going to ] to learn about Kennedy. Good advise there, Tom.] 14:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Request for your intervention on Conan the Barbarian article == | |||
Hello Tom, | |||
I saw you posted in the ] Talk Page and also noticed in your Wiki profile that you are part of the RC Patrol monitoring harmful editing. As I am not familiar with Misplaced Pages, I decided to request your help with an ongoing dispute that is destroying an article. There are currently two users, an anonymous IP user (201.243.153.168) / (200.109.64.163), and a seemingly White Supremacist (205.188.116.197) who are tearing apart the ] article through editing and arguing. The anonymous IP user is constantly vandalizing the article in response to the White Supremacist injecting Aryan references. Their vandalism and in-jokes are seeping into the article despite the reverts. | |||
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Conan_the_Barbarian&action=history | |||
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Conan_the_Barbarian&diff=62457552&oldid=62457459 | |||
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Conan_the_Barbarian&diff=62546807&oldid=62462189 | |||
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Conan_the_Barbarian&diff=62720702&oldid=62700715 | |||
-- ] 20:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks for letting me know. I'll keep an eye on it. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:41, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== From an incorrigible revert warrior == | |||
Hi, Tom. I don't normally revert ''you'' but I was puzzled to see you rolling back AntiVandalBot, so I looked at the diff to see what error he had made (sometimes bots do weird things), and it seemed that a user had removed the whole case and replaced it with a "Get lost" message. I reverted you, and then restored his "Get lost". I don't know anything about the background, though, and I just assumed that you hit rollback too hastily, or that you were trying to roll back the blanking of the page, and something went wrong. If you ''did'' intend that edit, since you may know the background, please go ahead and re-inistate it. I won't interfere again! | |||
P.S. As I pressed "preview", I saw you had posted on my page, so our messages crossed. But the above was what I was ''going'' to say to you. Cheers. ] ] 22:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Zidane Talk Page== | |||
As you might already know (if you watch football/soccer), Italy won the World Cup against the French. Zidane was notable in the game since it was his last game and he went out with a red card after head butting an Italian player. Because this has caught so much attention, natually the ] is getting alot of attention from new users. Unfortunately the IPs seem unable to understand that talk pages are not forums. I think semi-protection might be necessary to at least stop the page from being filled up with these kinds of edits. The article itself has already been semi-protected due to a large amount of recent vandalism from new users and IPs.--] 01:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Your editing of ] == | |||
Tom, I agree with the almost all of your editing of the ] article with one exception. You probably anticipated my disagreement with removing most of the vapour-compression refrigeration section and referring readers to the main article ]. I understand your viewpoint that it simplifies the ] article. However, in my own case, when reading an article, I very much dislike being told to "go elsewhere to get more details". Those readers savvy enough to search for ] will find the main article and get to read the details. But those readers not that savvy and who search for the more common usage term ] will not get to readily see all the details unless they are willing to be detoured to elsewhere. In my opinion, some redundancy in Misplaced Pages is warranted in order to make it easier for less savvy readers to find information. But after all, you are an administrator so I must abide by your perceptions ... besides I may want you to help me someday. :) - ] 01:46, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:We should use ]. With duplication comes the danger of having the versions drift out of sync. Still, I do see your point, and we are not short of space. I tend to favor fewer, longer pages myself. | |||
:I guess I don't mind having the information in there, as long as a non-specialist can read and get the gist of how an refrigerator works without having to worry about what "isentropically" means and why it's important. Maybe we could start the section with an abbreviated version of my already-short version, and then follow with what was there before for a more detailed treatment. A longer-term possibility is reorganizing and merging some of the articles in this area. So, feel free to add the material back in with whatever rewrites you think improve it. I'll look in and tweak it, and we can talk about any disagreements. I do not feel at all proprietary about the page. | |||
:"...you are an administrator so I must abide by your perceptions." heh heh; if only that were so. ] <sup>]</sup> 02:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Tom, I must admit that I kind of like the your shortened version of the non-thermodynamic section and I think I would prefer to pretty much leave it just as you edited it (other than renumbering Figure 2 as Figure 1 and moving that Figure upwards, which I have already done). Then I would follow your edited version by putting back in the section dealing with the thermodynamic cycle and the T_S diagram except that I will do my darndest to simplify/shorten it. In other words, the easiest part first followed by the more technical part. Thanks very much for your cooperation. - ] 04:16, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Tom, I did partially revert your edits on the vapor-compression refrigeration section. I also re-wrote and re-arranged the material quite a bit. I did manage to shorten the section a bit; to put the physical component image ahead of the T-S diagram image; and to delete some of the thermodynamic terminology. However, I could not manage to retain your simplified version and still remain faithful to the integrity of the T-S diagram analysis. The only way I could do that would be to have a lot of duplicated wording which would end up lengthening the article rather than shortening it. - ] 07:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Not a problem; I thought later that ] and ] might be the place for the simplified description of the process. ] <sup>]</sup> 13:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Tom, I think both ] and ] are good choices for your simplified description. As for the description currently in ]: | |||
::* I very much dislike using the term "heat pump". Technically, that is correct. But most non-technical people think of a heat pump as being used to heat a building during the winter, so why confuse them with that term? | |||
::* The paragraph about the ideal gas law is completely out of context and serves no purpose in that article. | |||
::* The system image (Heatpump.svg) is "pretty" but it really doesn't depict the system components as well as the image in ] around which you built your description. | |||
::* As a whole, the current description in ], in my opinion, isn't worth a hill of beans. | |||
::Regards, - ] 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Personal Attacks == | |||
Please observe wikipedia's policy on personal attacks. Also, please refrain from wikilayering. http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Wikilawyering | |||
In addition, the comment made on Bubba73 is justified. Anybody who compares the Apollo moon missions with a trip to Disneyland is IN FACT, being illogical. Please refrain from vandalizing my talk page or else you will be reported.] 17:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== {{user|His excellency}} ArbComm case filed. == | |||
You may want to somment there. | |||
]. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I'm following the case. I'll provide information to the arbcom if they need me to. My understanding is that these statements are just to urge them to accept or reject the case. I think they have all the information they need to decide that. ] <sup>]</sup> 21:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== You are biased! == | |||
You are very biased when it comes to the subject of Islam. I have seen you edits/comments and activity. You are in no way a good and impartial administrator. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 20:37, 11 July 2006.</small> | |||
:Well, you must be ''very'' biased if Anas hashmi comes back after a seven-month wiki-break to tell you that! I won't comment on your edits about Islam, as I haven't seen them, but I've never seen you to be anything but a good and impartial administrator. Cheers. ] ] 21:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks; It is kind of hard to respond to such a general charge. Am I biased in favor of Islam, or against it? If Anas hashmi would like to talk about a specific edit, he can tell me his concerns. Or, let him change whatever I wrote that he finds biased. If I disagree we can talk about it on the article's talk page. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==] looks to be back== | |||
Hello Tom, as you were the admin that gave the 1 week block to ] which deteriorated into the indefinite blocking of that editor I thought you should be aware of ] that covers the very real likelyhood of ] being a sockpuppet of that user. Take it easy. ''(]])'' 22:16, 12 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Editing other people's talk == | |||
It is usually inappropriate to . Was the link unneeded? Probably. Did IZAK have a write to link this in a talk page comment? Certainly. - ] | ] 05:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:''Banter'' had been a protected deleted page. While clearing out the backlog in protected deleted pages, I de-linked all occurences of ''banter''. Is that not the right thing to do? ] <sup>]</sup> 12:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:: In this rare case, no. Other people's talk page comments should almost always be left alone, unless either they are actual vandalism; the one other case that is generally been considered acceptable is if someone (for example) writes something like <nowiki>]</nowiki>, clearly meaning to write <nowiki>]</nowiki>. Also, minor edits with appropriate summary if (for example) someone typos in a URL, although even there some people think you should just write your own comment following. This can be a very sensitive area: it took me a few months on Misplaced Pages to realize how sensitive. - ] | ] 18:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Thanks, that's a fair point; I'll keep it in mind. ] <sup>]</sup> 19:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Please join discussion at ] == | |||
Tom, someone named Edreher has suggested changes on the ] page which I fear will degrade that article and lead to much confusion. I have made a counter-suggestion that his ideas would fit better into the ] article. Please join the discussion there and let us have your advice. Thanks in advance. - ] 15:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==]== | |||
Hello Tom, | |||
I notice you still carry the Islamic Barnstar. I find your badge of honour quite fascinating :) ] 16:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==] redirect to ]== | |||
Greetings Tom, knowing that you cover such topics fairly keenly. Would you kindly take a look at an anon editor's rather disruptive efforts to redirect one to the other? Thanks. ''(]])'' 19:37, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I'd rather not edit war over this. Thanks. ''(]])'' 19:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Your assistance has been appreciated. Thanks Tom. ''(]])'' 20:16, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:You're welcome; I'm glad I could help. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:33, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Thanks == | |||
for the help against an especially active vandal, Bridgeman/ Tojo. --] 18:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:You're welcome; I'm glad I could help. ] <sup>]</sup> 18:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Just blocked another Tojo sock. BTW, is it really necessary to protect a talk page from anons and newbies? They get much less exposure to public. -- ] | ] 12:10, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::I have it full-protected for an hour or so while I refactor. After that it may not be neccessary. ] <sup>]</sup> 12:15, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::OK, I see. Thanks -- ] | ] 12:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::'''Thank you''' - I had the misfortune to come under ]'s special attention with a spat of sockpuppet attacks and wikistalking revertion of all my recent edits - so thanks for the revertions/roll-back. ] <sup> ] </sup> 18:20, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::Glad to help, ] <sup>]</sup> 18:26, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
==Thelema== | |||
Funny, you beat me to the rv by mere seconds. :-) ''(]])'' 22:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Please use your admin powers more responsibly == | |||
You and without any explanation. In my eyes, JzG clearly violated the 3 revert rule, even twice, and he blocked me for "pushing POV" while he removed well sourced information about allegations of Lance Armstrong's drug abuse. I had not violated 3RR, I had not invented any of the information I added but took them as well as the sources from other wikipedia articles, I tried to discuss the issue at the article talk page while JzG just made unsubstantiated and unspecific allegations at my talk page in spite of my repeated request to discuss it where appropriate, and I think that any editor who makes a complaint that is not obviously done in bad faith should get an explanation if the complaint is rejected. Just removing unblock requests and rejecting 3RR complaints leaves a bitter taste to other editors who ]. Please think about this. ] 22:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:I included an explanation. I'll repeat it here: | |||
::] - "The three-revert rule does not apply to users making a good-faith effort to enforce this provision, whether they are involved in editing the articles themselves or not." | |||
:As for your unblock request, given the discussion on your page at the time I thought, and continue to think, that "reviewed and denied" was an appropriate reply. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:46, 15 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::"Reviewed and denied" is no explanation, and as a user requesting to get unblocked obviously does not trust the admin who blocked backing the latter without further explanation causes bad feelings. You should not do that. Copying well known statements by third parties from other wikipedia articles in no way is libellous, and pretending that it is to evade the 3 revert rule cannot be tolerated. Also note that the first three reverts were done without any explanation and the admin who was in a conflict of interest when blocking continues to evade discussion at the article talk page and even took advantage of my block to delete a POV tag in spite of an obviously ongoing dispute. ] 00:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:If you don't want to get blocked, don't violate 3RR. If you don't want your work reverted, don't add unsupported innuendo to the biographies of living people. You are welcome to comment here, but I don't see that we have much basis for further discussion. You can have the last word if you want it. ] <sup>]</sup> 01:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Tom would you kindly review the history of this article and to that amounts to "guilt by association" despite ]'s insistence that it remain in the article. Please respond accordingly. Thanks. ''(]])'' 02:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::There is an article talk page where this can be discussed appropriately. ] 02:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::Oh and Socafan has essentially replaced every single bit of information (in addition to the part that I've been removing) that JzG was attempting to discuss on the talk page (prior to it's reinstatement on the article). Socafan doesn't seem to be getting the message. ''(]])'' 02:18, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::The best thing to do might be to revert back to and then protect the article and allow for some time for this matter to be discussed on the talk page. ''(]])'' 02:21, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:::::All of the information is sourced, there is no violation of whatever rule, '''and there is an article talk page to discuss it'''. ] 02:35, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::::::Tom, please be apprised that I've made an ] about this. Thanks. ''(]])'' 02:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== DOM Talk Page == | |||
Tom, I saw you reverted the DOM talk page due to Johnski's usual rants. It's not too surprising he is lurking around. I'd look for him to start messing with the article with in the next week or so. He's pretty predictable in term of his behavior. Anyway, thanks for catching that. ] 08:39, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== ] protection == | |||
Please reinstate semi-protection on the article. GT is having a field day today. *sigh* By the way, ] is still accepting submissions if you're interested. Thanks, <span style="border: 1px solid">]''']'''</span> 13:05, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Libya == | |||
Please feel free to evaluate the ] article which has become a 'Featured Article Candidate' and write your support or opposition on ]. Hopefully Libya will become only the second African country to be featured on Misplaced Pages. Thanks --] 12:28, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
== Advice on links to pirate sites == | |||
Tom, could I ask you for some advice? | |||
I contribute to a page, ], where a user has put up links to two sites (his own) that heavily bootleg copyrighted material. (Each site profusely displays copyrighted artwork and reproduces over 17,000 copyrighted translations of Sanskrit verse.) | |||
In accordance with Misplaced Pages policy (in ], Section 4.3, "Linking to copyrighted works"), I deleted the links. | |||
This led to a revert war. I invited the user to talk. After an extended discussion on the Talk page, what we wound up with was, in essence: | |||
*Okay, the stuff is copyrighted. | |||
*No, I don't have the copyright holder's permission. | |||
*But I have transcendent, "spiritual" reasons why the laws, in this case, don't apply. | |||
I don't see any point in another round of reverts. Could you suggest how I could best proceed? | |||
Many thanks! | |||
Cordially, ] 17:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
:Which sites are they? Srimadbhagavatam.org and bhagavata.net? ] <sup>]</sup> 17:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
::Bhagavata.net and Bhagavata.org. Srimadbhagavatam.org is okay; it's licensed by the copyright holder. | |||
::For Bhagavata.org, pressing the "Enter" button at the bottom of the pages brings you to a contents page with the legend | |||
:::Black texts: the narrative by Anand Aadhar.<br/> | |||
:::Brown text: the original translation of Swami Prabhupâda and other pupils. | |||
::The "Brown text" and the pictures are what's swiped. (You have to go a couple of levels deeper--to the "Chapter" level--to get to them.) | |||
::Bhagavata.net (the Dutch version) is structured nearly the same way. On the home page you click on the lotus next to "De Bhâgavata Purâna." Then, on the next page, the "Kom Binnen" button at the bottom brings you to the matching Dutch version of what's on Bhagavata.org. | |||
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Okay, I see the text you describe. How can you tell which is legitimately licensed and which is the copyright violation? http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/ looks like it's the same as http://bhagavata.org/. I'm sorry to have so many questions. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
Is this the copyrighted text? ISBN 0892132507 I can search this online at Amazon, so if you could give me a specific, extended passage that is derectly copied, that would be helpful. ] <sup>]</sup> 20:48, 16 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
The questions are all welcome. | |||
First, yes, you're right: Those two URL's -- http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/ and http://bhagavata.org/ -- point to the identical site. (I was confused. My apologies. The licensed site is http://srimadbhagavatam.COM/, to which the Misplaced Pages article also, happily, has a link.) | |||
So the two offending sites are http://srimadbhagavatam.org/ and http://bhagavata.net/index.eng.html/. | |||
Yes, you have the right ISBN number for the copyrighted text.<br/> | |||
On Amazon it's here: <br/> | |||
The infringer hasn't quoted any one portion at length. Instead, here's what he has done. At the bottom of each page, he has a section called "Source texts." There he gives his own translation for each Sanskrit verse, followed by the copyrighted translation. And so, he argues, it's all "fair use" because he doesn't "quote at length." But, in all, he quotes the copyrighted translations for 17,000 verses (yes, literally 17,000), one after another. | |||
To compare the text on his site to the text in the section online at Amazon:<br/> | |||
*On the page on Amazon, go to "Search inside this book." (Or, read ahead, I'll give you an easier way.) | |||
*Go to "Excerpt." | |||
*Go to Page 3. | |||
*Go to his site at http://www.bhagavata.org/canto8/chapter1.html. Look at "Source texts" (about a quarter of the way down the page). Under "Text 1" see the smaller, roman, indented text. Notice that it matches the "Text 1" in the Amazon sample. | |||
*Similarly, compare Text 2, Text 3, and so on. He's got them all on his site, verbatim. | |||
::*The easier way: | |||
::*At http://srimadbhagavatam.com/8/1/en --the licensed site -- you can see all those same texts in one place and compare them to the ones on the unlicensed site. They match word for word. | |||
Also, starting at , the infringing site copies the same way from ''Bhagavad-gita As It Is'' (700 verses) (ISBN: 0892131233). And there he copies not only the copyrighted translations but also the copyrighted "word-for-word" meanings. | |||
As for pictures: | |||
At that same Amazon link I mentioned before -- -- you'll see a front cover.</br> | |||
The cover picture appears on his site at . | |||
Click on the cover on the Amazon site, and you'll see another cover, from the the "Eighth Canto."<br/> | |||
The picture appears on his site at . | |||
While viewing the "Eighth Canto" cover on the Amazon site, click "back cover" (on the left).<br/> | |||
On his site that picture appears at . | |||
At Amazon -- -- there's another volume in the set.<br/> | |||
On his site the cover picture appears at . | |||
== Noel Rose (a page you deleted in 2006) == | |||
And so on. Virtually all the artwork displayed on his site is copyrighted and used without permission. | |||
Hi Tom, I work in the field of autoimmune disease and went looking for a page on Noel Rose, but noticed a 2006 version had been deleted by you. I expect it was a guideline problem (e.g., a verbatim copy of existing content), but let me know if there was some other reason. I am going to start creating the new page, but if you have issues please let me know. Thank you. | |||
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I noted that you removed two links I proposed for Swamp Cooler leading to pages on Evaporative Coolers. What was the concern? | |||
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:Sorry, my mistake. I thought you had added the same link twice. I meant to remove one of them. I see they were two different links, and I removed both. I've restored them now, I hope. ] <sup>]</sup> 03:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Looking at the related conspiracy pages' statistics, I realized that you have worked for long on these issues on wikipedia, hence my message and a small request: I would really appreciate if you can share bits of this "experience" with me in an interview. | |||
Tom, thanks for your comment. I was a bit confused of how my 'reverting User:Zereshk's page after Zoe removed a personal attack' was wrong. | |||
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What I did: | |||
Pierre France | |||
1. I observed a user named Zoe removed something from Zereshk's user page | |||
pierre.France zoho.com | |||
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4. I was/am not still convinced why it was a personal attack (I have read the first lines of it though since I knew what has happened). I felt it more to be a complain rather than a "personal attack". Why is it personal attack BTW? | |||
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I was only asking Zoe for an admin to review this case. She says I have had "the temerity to lecture" her. She blocked me, which really means "shut up". She further warns me of how offensive something I didn't intend to do, was; and warns me of longer blocks. I tried to be nice to her and even tried to joke with her, but she didn't reply me back. | |||
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:: Tom, Thanks for your reply. I just thought it is wrong that someone edits other one's ''user page unless the editor is an admin''. I never wanted to engage in revert war if I knew an admin is involved there. Zoe "assumed" I want to do so. Tom, I see you point and don't intended to over-generalize my 'one' observation to make a decision about Zoe's character (All personal attacks BTW are logically wrong by nature since they contain elements of over-generalization). I am the one who is condemned and got blocked. My intend is to show that I was editing in good faith on that particular case. But if one reads Zoe's comment, for example on my talk page, given the respect that she has in the community, people will think, well surely Aminz has done something "REALLY BAD"! | |||
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:: My persian-english dictionary doesn't have the word "apparatchiks" so, I don't know what it means (I'll google it). I have not myself agreed with Zereshk about his perspective (in my emails to him for example). I think he mixes ideas from the real world with what happens in wikipedia. But he thinks I am unexperienced to understand what he says, which maybe true. I dunno... --] 20:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:: Tom, I don't worry about my reputation as long as people don't view me with a negative bias. This can be however almost solved if I create a new username. As I said here , I think continuing this discussion doesn't worth it. I learnt the lesson I had to learn. Quoting from someone: "either WP's governmental system changes OR some other online encyclopedia springs up which is better run."--] 21:28, 26 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Thanks Tom! User InShaneee on my talk page said that this has been proposed before(together with a spamming warning which I didn't get it actually). As it is hard for me to work on this alone, I am trying to find a couple of people who are not busy and interested to work on policies. I'll contact my friends around wikipedia and ask about their opinion and their ideas. But first I need to work on the policies on spamming to make sure that I am not violating any policies. Am I? --] 22:55, 26 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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:I will have to look closely at the policy on internal spam. Now, when everyone is on edge, might not be the best time to try to change things. It would be better to think it through and procede without emotion. Now might be the time for everyone to take a break, or do some simple editing of non-controversial pages. ] <sup>]</sup> 23:20, 26 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
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Noel Rose (a page you deleted in 2006)
Hi Tom, I work in the field of autoimmune disease and went looking for a page on Noel Rose, but noticed a 2006 version had been deleted by you. I expect it was a guideline problem (e.g., a verbatim copy of existing content), but let me know if there was some other reason. I am going to start creating the new page, but if you have issues please let me know. Thank you.
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Hi Tom! Next on my list to bring to Featured Article level is the Collapse of the World Trade Center article. I have commenced doing some adjustments and some may become major as it proceeds. I feel it lacks the engineering discussion needed to provide a full understanding of how and why the buildings collapsed and for that I need persons better versed than I to at least steer it along the correct path...so anything you have to suggest there or here is welcome.--MONGO (talk) 14:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks, sounds good. Tom Harrison 20:24, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- I think some organizational issues persist and was thinking a brief summary of the attacks, followed by a detailed description of the collapses (the article lacks many finer details) then on to the mechanics of what happened. I am not sure a lengthy discussion about lost artwork, etc, belongs as I think this needs to mainly discuss the engineering aspects. We may have to address conspiracy theories was well near the end if for no other reason than to put them in their bed.--MONGO (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed; some pruning is due. Tom Harrison 14:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry been absent a bit still thinking about what the article should emphasize..will be working on it more next week.--MONGO (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- No problem, same here... Tom Harrison 18:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry been absent a bit still thinking about what the article should emphasize..will be working on it more next week.--MONGO (talk) 17:21, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed; some pruning is due. Tom Harrison 14:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- I think some organizational issues persist and was thinking a brief summary of the attacks, followed by a detailed description of the collapses (the article lacks many finer details) then on to the mechanics of what happened. I am not sure a lengthy discussion about lost artwork, etc, belongs as I think this needs to mainly discuss the engineering aspects. We may have to address conspiracy theories was well near the end if for no other reason than to put them in their bed.--MONGO (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
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Hi you recently protected Black Hebrew Israelites for edit warring. Looks like it is starting again except this time they are calling it vandalism. Should I take it to WP:AN/EW since this is a long term issue with them removing the same material against consensus for months? PackMecEng (talk) 13:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
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What is missing or should be culled from Collapse of the World Trade Center. I feel we have too many sections and some areas could be combined. I have a period of free time and may try and push this to peer review after I reread the NIST report. If you're inclined, feel free to post any suggestions to the article talkpage so we can get a dialogue started.--MONGO (talk) 19:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
- Great, I'll start reading. Tom Harrison 01:23, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
Collapse of the World Trade Center
Hello Tom, Can I ask you to look at the recent "edits" on the Collapse of the World Trade Center, which you reverted earlier. A noted conspiracy buff then reverted back to his preferred version, which I reverted back. This has been reverted, yet again, by the same person. My suggestion was to wait until MONGO's proposed rewrite, but this has been ignored. Regards, David, David J Johnson (talk) 18:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
- David, I'd say wait and see how it develops. Thanks, Tom Harrison 12:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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Hi, can you restore User:EchetusXe/Nathan Ferguson for me please? I had it deleted but he has come back to the game and is now notable. Thanks,--EchetusXe 17:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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Would you mind kindly unprotecting the 2006 Bilderberg Meeting redirect so that I can fix the double redirect error and also nominate for RfD? Protection is no longer required, as I believe it was protected ~13 years ago or so.
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Hi Tom. I'd appreciate your input here. Thanks. Evan 09:58, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
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Hi Tom; just wanted to see what your particular reasons were for this revert on Alt-right. Did you think I was cutting too much? I've been a major contributor to this article for a few years, adding a lot into it, but it's clearly gone way over the recommended WP:Article Size so I've been trying to prune in back, in the hope that one day we can get it through GAN and FAC. Any particular parts of my pruning that you disagree with? Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:29, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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- Not a problem, Tom. Have a good week! Midnightblueowl (talk) 12:50, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
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- That's allright. Str1977 20:08, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
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