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== Income level citation ==
== Citation for Kurdish co-operation with Ottoman massacres? ==

I removed the sentence containing
"Kurdish tribes cooperated with Ottoman authorities in the massacres against Armenian and Assyrian Christians in Upper Mesopotamia"
as I could not find mention of places in what is now called Rojava in the citation at
R. S. Stafford (2006). The Tragedy of the Assyrians. p. 25.

Therefore it seemed irrelevent to this article, which is about Rojava.


There is a factoid in the article that says (government?) salaries in the AANES are double that of surrounding communities. "The AANES has by far the highest average salaries and standard of living throughout Syria, with salaries being twice as large as in regime-controlled Syria; following the collapse of the Syrian pound the AANES doubled salaries to maintain inflation, and allow for good wages."
@]
I agree wıth you that Rojava is part of Upper Mesopotamia but as far as I can tell the new refs you have added do not refer to the part of Upper Mesopotamia now called Rojava. Of course my geography or history knowledge could be wrong and I stand to be corrected if anyone know better.
] (]) 17:59, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:Well ], when there is a conflict, you leave the article as it is and go to the talk page, instead of deleting what you want then asking others to come to the talk page.
:As for the the sentence you deleted, it give context to the following sentences so that the reader will understand what happened.--] (]) 18:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


This is a strong claim, with no citation to back it up, and no citation needed tag attached to the claim. ] (]) 21:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
I don't dispute your point about Misplaced Pages ettiquette but I am afraid I am too lazy to look that up in the Misplaced Pages guidelines - if that was rude I apologise. However I think the problem with the sentence was that a typical uninformed reader would think the event mentioned occurred in what is now Rojava.
] (]) 18:19, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
:Im bored with this article ! every one trying to hide some shameful past or force an agenda (and Im not talking about you in particular Jzlcdh but in general).. so I'm not gonna bother my self with putting those materials you deleted.--] (]) 18:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)


:It was added to the article in by user ]. ] (]) 11:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
I am not disputing whether or not there was a massacre of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire, but even if there was how would it be relevant to Rojava?
Varous terrible things were done by the British Empire but those which occured outside colonyX before it became independant from Britain
are probably irrelevent to countryX even if people ethnically the same as those from colonyX were among the perpetrators. Of course there may be one or two exceptions (perhaps in world war 1) but in general I think that would be the case. I might be able to think of a more specific example but I don't want to offend anyone.
] (]) 19:15, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:Well, its relevant when it happen in turkey and the survivors emigrate to Syria. If you wrote that Assyrians came to Syria and stopped, there will be no context ! and the readers wont understand what happened and why those people came !!!!! So, it is relevant because it is WHY those people came to Syria on the first place.--] (]) 19:19, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


== 2023 New Social Contract ==
== Propose merge of ] ==


On December 12, 2023, and changed their name to the Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria.
I think ] is too small a topic to have its own article so have proposed it is merged with this one.
:An outdated proposal, hence removed.] (]) 05:36, 28 May 2015 (UTC)


I've never done edits to Misplaced Pages before, much less large-scale ones, what sort of resources are needed to prove and cite the change and to edit the main page with the updated information? ] (]) 12:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
== History between 1941 and 2012? ==


:I think all you'll need to do is provide an (reputable) article that mentions the amended 2023 social contract, as well as citing the new social contract itself. ] (]) 05:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
There is a bit under the economy section. Should that be moved to the history section and if so what should the subheading be?


== Possible ] given to pre-AANES history ==
== Saeed Agha in the history of the French mandate ==


Hey all. Reading over this article now, I'm concerned that too much text is being devoted to history prior to the establishment of the AANES. In the history section, half(!) of the entire text is discussing pre-AANES history. It uses almost 1,500 words to go over the entire history of the region, dating back thousands of years, often with an unclear relation to the AANES. Most of the cited sources were written years, sometimes even decades, before the AANES was established, so it's hard to establish how much of this has a direct connection to the AANES and what is just patent ].
I don't speak Arabic but even with the wonders of translation software I cannot find the name "Saeed Agha" in the references given to support the sentence about Amuda which says: "This massacre carried out by the Kurd Saeed Agha emptied the city of its Assyrian population." So unless anyone can add a convincing reference I will remove this sentence.
] (]) 17:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
:Here's your source --] (]) 18:06, 5 April 2015 (UTC)


This isn't limited to the history section either. The demographics section begins with a few long paragraphs about historical demographic changes that go back centuries! Again, many of the citations are to sources written before the AANES was established, so the connection of this information to the subject is difficult to establish.
== YPG burning down Arab villages ==


By my estimation, this kind of over-contextualisation based on old sources takes up almost 25% of this article's text. I think a lot of this text could be cut, or at least greatly reduced, in order to keep it focused on the subject of the article. We should also be sticking to sources about the AANES, so we can establish a clear connection between the earlier history of the region and this polity. I'm happy to attend to this once I'm done with some ongoing projects, just wanted to raise this issue here in case anyone else is interested in trimming down some of the over-contextualisation. --] (]) 09:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
http://syriadirect.org/main/36-interviews/1937-activist-ypg-wiped-arab-villages-off-the-face-of-the-map --] (]) 03:29, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
:{{re|Grnrchst}} Just as information, the current condition of the history section was the result of various past debates. Essentially, there were major disputes over the origin of AANES and its population, and the "over-contextualisation" emerged as a stable compromise which satisfied editors with often opposing viewpoints. Just to clarify, I'm not opposed to the history section being updated / rewritten (and I suspect many of the other editors involved in the old disputes aren't opposed either) -in fact, an update would be great-, I just wanted to inform you of the circumstances. ] (]) 15:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
: (Kurdish this time) confirming that PYD militias burnt down houses in Arab villages. This is yet another reason why this article should be called PYD-controlled areas (or Kurdish-controlled areas of Syria). Will reopen the discussion soon. ] (])
::@]: Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it. :) --] (]) 21:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
::If you closely read the source, you should notice that it's not a kurdisch source. It's an arab source. On top of that: "We do not '''believe''' that the PYD fought in Tall Hamis and Tall Birak to weaken the Islamists". It's not confirming, it's claming. That's silly.--] (]) 02:28, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


== Democratic Autonomous Administration ==
== Government ==


In a previous section it was mentioned that the AANES changed its official name to the DAANES (D for Democratic). And it has seen usage from media too (such has this https://hawarnews.com/en/daa-calls-on-un-to-provide-support-for-displaced-people). I suggest those that can edit the page do so with the new added word ] (]) 05:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
The way the government of Rojava is displayed is inconsistent with that of other states (and feminism isn't really a type of government)
Similar to how Cuba etc are "Marxist-Leninist single-party state" or even just "Socialist state." It should probably say a. Socialist state b. Provisional socialist state c. Libertarian socialist state or d. Democratic confederalist socialist state <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:11, 17 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I removed feminism, etc., which are political philosophies and not types of governments. --] (]) 20:23, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


:I think we should go further and move the article to ]. ] (]) 21:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Population ==


== The map needs to be updated daily ==
Population of Rojava appears heavily inflated, I would not rely on Kurdish sources. Alternatively a pro-Government source suggested 5-10% of the country's population is in Kurdish control which would be ~900,000-1,800,000. That figure seems more reasonable however is inaccurate and does not have a specific relative source.


The SDF has already taken much territory including all remaining enclaves of pro Assad forces ] (]) 06:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
== Updating the map ==


== {{#invoke:protected edit request|extended}} ==
Tal Abyad seems to be liberated by the YPG. I think the map should be updated.--] (]) 22:33, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
:What does "libertaed" mean? Does this mean that any part occupied by YPG using military force becomes automatically Kurdish? Tell Aybad has an Arab majority. This whole article needs to be renamed to YPG-controlled areas. BTW, the map of the Syrian civil war shows the areas under military control of each faction. ] (]) 19:57, 16 June 2015 (UTC)
::No that doesn't mean that obviously. With "liberated" I meant, free of the freaking ISIS group. And I read that the kurds don't want to establish a kurdisch state. They want a confederalist democracy with selfcontrolled counsils and cantons where the different people live on their own and so on.--] (]) 02:05, 28 June 2015 (UTC)


The link to the main article in the ']' section should be to ']' rather than to ']', to reflect the article's current title. ] (]) 16:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Regarding the Claim that Rojava is not part of Kurdistan ==


== New (old) flag ==
A paragraph taken from the 19th century John Miles book, does not mention anything about Syrian Kurdish areas (Afrin/north Aleppo/north Raqqa/Jazira), so naturally it can not be used to show that Kurdistan does not include Rojava/northern Syria. Moreover, it contradicts other sources such as Kreyenbroek which is recent and scholarly and more reliable.] (]) 18:39, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
:What make it Kurdistan ? was it part of a Kurdistan province ? or was it acknowledged as a Kurdistan region ? Not any place the Kurds migrate to become a Kurdistan. In the 19th century, Kurdistan was not that large. That quote is historical and represent the situation back then. I will restor it and I hope that you reach a consensus here before removing sourced material. Mills was talking about Kurdistan region not about Kurds. There is no contradiction. Not all the places Kurds live in become their historic land.
:One more thing, there was no Ottoman Kurdistan for most of the Ottoman history. Only for 20 years did an Eyalet of Kurdistan existed from 1847 to 1867 and it didnt include Jazira So how did Ottoman Kurdistan included Syrian Jazira ? What does Kreyenbroek mean with Ottoman Kurdistan. Is he talking about an actual region (which in this case did not include Syrian Jazira) or is he talking about places Kurds live in ?? because it is clear in the article that no one is denying that Kurds migrated and lived in many parts of Syria.
:I read the source . He is talking about areas inhabited by Kurds and not about a well defined geopolitical region such as a province or autonomous state. He also doe not claim that there was such a unit in the Ottoman empire that included Syrian Jazira. Mils on the other hand is talking about Kurdistan as a geopolitical unit for the Kurds... A distinction must be made between a Kurdistan and Where Kurds live, or else, even Haret al-Akrad neighborhood in Damascus will be claimed as part of the ever expanding Kurdistan.--] (]) 19:04, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::Attar: Can't agree more. Very-well said. Most of the Kurds in those areas are descendants of people who immigrated from Turkey in the 1920's, and that's about the same time when many cities in the area were established (Qamishli, Ayn al-Arab, etc.). In addition to the maps from Attar, Treaty of Sevres maps, CIA, among many others, show a minimal presence of Kurds in Syria. For example, The Historical Atlas (New York, Henry Holt and Company, 1911) shows some Kurds in Ayn al-Arab area and almost no Kurds to the east or west within the Syrian border. Some people here think that every land where Kurds were hosted/live becomes Kurdistan, that's simply wrong. In addition, Kurds are currently practicing ethnic cleansing in the areas they invade by force. Cheers, ] (]) 20:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::::Dear Amr, All we care about here is to improve the content of the encyclopaedia by providing academic/reliable sources. There is a definition of traditional Kurdistan and that has nothing to do with the unfortunate recent events in Iraq/Syria. Not every land Kurds live on is part of Kurdistan, simply because that region has a historical/traditional definition. For instance '''Britannica''' has the following definition:
:::: ''Kurdistan, Arabic Kurdistān, Persian Kordestān , broadly defined geographic region traditionally inhabited mainly by Kurds. It consists of an extensive plateau and mountain area, spread over large parts of what are now eastern Turkey, northern Iraq, and western Iran and smaller parts of '''northern Syria''' and Armenia''] (]) 21:00, 24 June 2015 (UTC).
:::The problem is the misinterpretation of the Mils book. It does not say this or that area did not belong to geographic region of Kurdistan. For instance, it also does not mention Diyarbakir, can we conclude that Diyarbakir is not in Kurdistan? Please keep in mind that what we discuss is the geo-cultural region of Kurdistan not any political entity. What Kereynbroek means is the traditional areas in Middle East under Ottoman control with a Kurdish majority, not any specific province. Ottoman Kurdistan is a well-established term in academic circles and it included parts of contemporary Syria. One can find numerous academic sources which mention break-up and division of "Ottoman Kurdistan" between Turkey/Iraq and '''Syria''' in the Treaty of Lausanne. Also there are academic sources that include northeastern Syria in Kurdistan (see source 3).
::: 1) M. Moaz, G. Sheffer, "Middle Eastern Minorities and Diasporas", Quote:''Under the 1923 Lausanne Treaty the former Ottoman Kurdistan was divided between the newly-formed states of Turkey, Iraq, and Syria'', p.185
::: 2) M. Ahmed, M. Gunter, "The Kurdish Question and the 2003 Iraqi War", Quote: ''1923 Treaty of Lausanne which formally divided Ottoman Kurdistan among Turkey, Syria and Iraq'', p.17
::: 3) C. Dahlman, "The Political Geography of Kurdistan", in Eurasian Geography & Economics, Vol.43, No.4, 2002, p.271 Quote: ''The environs of Kurdistan encompass the mountains and plateaus of southeast Anatolia, the eastern Taurus and northern Zagros mountains, along with their foothills, and extend out onto the upper reaches of the dissected Transtigridian plains of Mesopotamia and the Jazira region in northeastern Syria''.] (]) 20:49, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::Vekoler, obviously your third source is too recent to give a historical perspective that goes against all established sources and maps, let alone their vague definition of Kuridstan '''environs of Kurdistan''' not ''land of Kurdistan'' or ''territory of Kurdistan'', possibly meaning that these DO NOT belong to Kurdistan, but rather the outer extent or zone of influence, which would make sense given the other maps. ] (]) 19:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


The ] is adopted as the new flag of the region as per: ] (]) 13:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
:::: Hello Vekoler and Amr, I guess that the reason for our disagreement is that this article is about a political entity and "Kurdistan" have two meanings, '''1-''' a real political unit, which in my mind started when the Seljuks created the province of Kurdistan in the land that witnessed the birth of Kurds from the union of the 5000 years old Iranified Zagrosian Tribes, and evolved until it became the Kurdistan of the Ottomans created in 1847. '''2-''' Traditional lands that had a Kurdish majority after the incorporation of Kurds into the Ottoman empire by Selim I.
::::As it is obvious, Kurdistan did grow substantially from the old smaller zagrosian Kurdistan as Kurds (like all other people in the region including Armenians, Arabs, Syriacs and Turks) expanded their presence for different reasons. But this article is about Rojava, which became a de-facto political unit. And the Kurdistan described by Mils is a land actually ruled by Kurdish princess (so a political unit). while the Kurdistan identified by Britanica and other newer sources is about Kurdistan in its modern version where Kurds had became a majority. For example, in the 20s and 30s Syriacs, not Arabs or Kurds (Im not a Syriac by the way regardless of my user name), where the majority of Jazira. So how can this land be part of the traditional Kurdish inhabited areas.?--] (]) 23:53, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
::Agreed Attar. Huge demographic shifts have happened as a result of massacres and violence, which led to two opposite migrations, inbound by Kurds and outbound by Syrics/Assyrians. I come from Aleppo and have several friends (Syriacs and Assyrians) who still have their ID documents issued in al-Hasakah Governorate (and renewed there), although they have been living in Aleppo for decades. This is why is strongly feel the title of this article should be "Areas under control by Kurdish forces", as part of the civil was articles. Furthermore, there is nothing to substantiate the claims of a territory; no international or national recognition, no clear border, no agreements with other parts of Syria or international parties. This area is no different from any other area in Syria under military control by any of the different factions. ] (]) 19:44, 25 June 2015 (UTC)


:That source does not state it is adopted as the flag of the region, it states it is adopted as the accepted ''national'' flag for AANES. ] (]) 15:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
== Update to two cantons instead of three? ==
::Well, since they consider themselves to be a part of Syria, just that they want to extend its confederal model to the whole country, and neither do governorates in Syria have its own flags, I think it's reasonable to add the national flag as their flag if they have recognized it. ] (]) 16:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
The YPG taking ] seems to have connected Cezire and Kobani, this at least according to pro-Rojava sources like and the :
:::That's like adding the flag of the United States to Texas, it flies in Texas but it isn't the flag of Texas. ] (]) 17:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@] agreed, it is very misleading to imply green-white-black flag is the flag of the DAANES. it's not. ] (]) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
::::So is the revolutionary flag the accepted flag of Syria in this case? ] (]) 16:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::That's hard to say. At this point it may be safe to call it the de-facto flag of Syria, but not much else. ] (]) 17:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::Yes, in this case we have a source noting the revolutionary flag is explicitly the flag accepted by the AANES as the flag of Syria. ] (]) 17:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)


== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2024 ==
{{quote|With that, the Kurds connected two of their self-administered cantons along the border with Turkey, putting even more pressure on Raqqa.}}


can footnotes a and b near flag and emblem be change to g and h
--] (]) 19:20, 27 June 2015 (UTC)


{{edit extended-protected|Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria|answered=yes}}
== Propaganda sources ==
] ] (]) 16:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
I agree with you on the idea that Pradva.Ru may be a one-sided source but, if it is propaganda machine of Russian government, so what about websites such as ] and ] which are propaganda machines of the corrupt and bankrupted so-called "Syrian coalition of oppositions" and are used for same nonsense claims to YPG! I would recommend to delete all contents in Rojava article which are based on these sources. At least ] has an entry in Misplaced Pages.--] (]) 16:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:Changed to efn notes. <big>]]</big> 03:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:You are right, but the difference : we dont use those sources to say that YPG are murderers, thieves and degenerate. As for Pravda having an entry, so is ] and many other sites. It doesnt make them a place to get neutral news from. I will look in Rojava and delete liveleaks material now.
: and ], Kurdwatch in no different from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. If you are going to be using the observatory then Kurdwatch is appropriate.--] (]) 16:31, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:: of Rojava article again carefully. This section which was added by Ibn Kolthum accuses PYD for every crimes that can happen in the world! All of those accusations are based on these junky websites (especially Kurdwatch which is truely a propaganda and nonsense site - I would explain more about this site -). Another important thing I must say is that the ] is trusted and creditable and it has been used by many well-known references and news agencies.--] (]) 16:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
::: ], those are accusations about violations committed at time of war and not personal attacks against YPG, which is different from the style of Pravda which make personal attacks on people they dont like. Well, I see kurdwatch and the observatory from the same rank. Maybe we can go here : ]. They will study the source. But you need to make a case for it and tell them why it isnt reliable as a source for making mere accusations. Remember, we dont use Kurdwatch as a fact source but as an allegation source.--] (]) 17:00, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
::::'''Kurdwatch must be removed from wikipedia'''. It's wondering that how forcible recruitment is a huge concern for this so-called human rights website but mass-killings of more than 200 civilians in Kobani after ISIS attacks is not worth to mention by them! It shows insane entity of this website and shows that it is not related to any Kurd and it is created for propagating propaganda rumors for someone's or a group's interests. It's a good idea to check these sites (Kurdwatch for me and maybe Syriahr for you)--] (]) 17:26, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::], since our discussion didnt include any special correspondence between us outside the Rojava subject, then I moved it to here so that other editors can participate since this discussion will have effects on the article and sources. Also so that any other editor interested can participate and give his opinion about Kurdwatch and Syrian observatory.--] (]) 17:59, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::]; also the sentence "''Kobani siege was led by an ISIS Kurdish leader Abu Khattab al-Kurdi''" without more information, not only unrelated to the Rojava article (and as you mentioned is considered WP:SYNTH) but it is also shouldn't come in continuation of the sentence "'''one of the biggest massacres by the group in the country since its offensive began in the summer of 2014'''" because ISIS offensive through Syria began before its plans for the siege of Kobani.--] (]) 20:21, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
:::::::], look at the edit history of the article. I already removed that sentence about the Kurdish leader and removed that ISIS is led by Arabs. Both are irrelevant to Rojava and the crimes being done. ISIS isnt killing because its led by Arabs. Actually ISIS killed much more Arabs than Kurds.--] (]) 20:31, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
::::::::]; if ISIS isn't pro-Arab, so what does it mean when they call Kurdish people live their conquered areas and repopulate those places with Arab people? Of course there are many brain-washed kurds among ISIS but it doesn't change anything about this terrible organization. Can you explain me who ISIS is? ISIS and even its non-Arab followers believe that because Mohammad was Arab, so Arabic race is superior than other races. -- ] (]) 20:49, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Discussions:
  • RM, Syrian Kurdistan → Rojava, Moved, 18 January 2015, Discussion
  • RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Rojava, No consensus to move, 25 April 2018, Discussion
  • RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Northern and Eastern Syria, Not moved, 17 January 2019, Discussion
  • RM, Democratic Federation of Northern Syria → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved to Rojava, 28 February 2019, Discussion
  • RM, Rojava → North and East Syria, Not moved, 14 October 2019, Discussion
  • RM, Rojava → Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria, Moved, 30 June 2020, Discussion

Income level citation

There is a factoid in the article that says (government?) salaries in the AANES are double that of surrounding communities. "The AANES has by far the highest average salaries and standard of living throughout Syria, with salaries being twice as large as in regime-controlled Syria; following the collapse of the Syrian pound the AANES doubled salaries to maintain inflation, and allow for good wages."

This is a strong claim, with no citation to back it up, and no citation needed tag attached to the claim. Djcart137 (talk) 21:57, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

It was added to the article in this revision from 2021 by user Des Vallee. Sisuvia (talk) 11:19, 8 August 2024 (UTC)

2023 New Social Contract

On December 12, 2023, the region adopted an updated version of their 2014 Social Contract and changed their name to the Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria.

I've never done edits to Misplaced Pages before, much less large-scale ones, what sort of resources are needed to prove and cite the change and to edit the main page with the updated information? Mayaman2 (talk) 12:39, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I think all you'll need to do is provide an (reputable) article that mentions the amended 2023 social contract, as well as citing the new social contract itself. Remikipedia (talk) 05:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Possible undue weight given to pre-AANES history

Hey all. Reading over this article now, I'm concerned that too much text is being devoted to history prior to the establishment of the AANES. In the history section, half(!) of the entire text is discussing pre-AANES history. It uses almost 1,500 words to go over the entire history of the region, dating back thousands of years, often with an unclear relation to the AANES. Most of the cited sources were written years, sometimes even decades, before the AANES was established, so it's hard to establish how much of this has a direct connection to the AANES and what is just patent synth.

This isn't limited to the history section either. The demographics section begins with a few long paragraphs about historical demographic changes that go back centuries! Again, many of the citations are to sources written before the AANES was established, so the connection of this information to the subject is difficult to establish.

By my estimation, this kind of over-contextualisation based on old sources takes up almost 25% of this article's text. I think a lot of this text could be cut, or at least greatly reduced, in order to keep it focused on the subject of the article. We should also be sticking to sources about the AANES, so we can establish a clear connection between the earlier history of the region and this polity. I'm happy to attend to this once I'm done with some ongoing projects, just wanted to raise this issue here in case anyone else is interested in trimming down some of the over-contextualisation. --Grnrchst (talk) 09:29, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@Grnrchst: Just as information, the current condition of the history section was the result of various past debates. Essentially, there were major disputes over the origin of AANES and its population, and the "over-contextualisation" emerged as a stable compromise which satisfied editors with often opposing viewpoints. Just to clarify, I'm not opposed to the history section being updated / rewritten (and I suspect many of the other editors involved in the old disputes aren't opposed either) -in fact, an update would be great-, I just wanted to inform you of the circumstances. Applodion (talk) 15:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
@Applodion: Thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it. :) --Grnrchst (talk) 21:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Democratic Autonomous Administration

In a previous section it was mentioned that the AANES changed its official name to the DAANES (D for Democratic). And it has seen usage from media too (such has this https://hawarnews.com/en/daa-calls-on-un-to-provide-support-for-displaced-people). I suggest those that can edit the page do so with the new added word Remikipedia (talk) 05:33, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I think we should go further and move the article to Democratic Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria. Charles Essie (talk) 21:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

The map needs to be updated daily

The SDF has already taken much territory including all remaining enclaves of pro Assad forces NateCT (talk) 06:43, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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The link to the main article in the 'External relations' section should be to 'AANES–Ba'athist Syria relations' rather than to 'Rojava–Syria relations', to reflect the article's current title. Hexalogical (talk) 16:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

New (old) flag

The Flag of the Syrian opposition is adopted as the new flag of the region as per: aanes-adopts-flag-of-syrian-revolution/ Erledigungs (talk) 13:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

That source does not state it is adopted as the flag of the region, it states it is adopted as the accepted national flag for AANES. CMD (talk) 15:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
Well, since they consider themselves to be a part of Syria, just that they want to extend its confederal model to the whole country, and neither do governorates in Syria have its own flags, I think it's reasonable to add the national flag as their flag if they have recognized it. DaniCBP (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
That's like adding the flag of the United States to Texas, it flies in Texas but it isn't the flag of Texas. CMD (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
@Chipmunkdavis agreed, it is very misleading to imply green-white-black flag is the flag of the DAANES. it's not. TheThighren (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
So is the revolutionary flag the accepted flag of Syria in this case? NorthTension (talk) 16:55, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
That's hard to say. At this point it may be safe to call it the de-facto flag of Syria, but not much else. 2601:406:8500:D790:4983:F5FA:5925:E8DC (talk) 17:02, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Yes, in this case we have a source noting the revolutionary flag is explicitly the flag accepted by the AANES as the flag of Syria. CMD (talk) 17:33, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 December 2024

can footnotes a and b near flag and emblem be change to g and h

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Changed to efn notes. Yue🌙 03:19, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
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