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| :''In the early years of the study there were more than 200 speakers of the dialect, including one parrot.'' (from the WP article ]) | |||
| :''] is unusually eccentric and not very bright. Astronomers have not noticed any outbursts by Mikebrown.'' (from the WP article ]) | |||
| *''Keep ] White!'' | |||
| *''"homosapiens are people, too!!"'' | |||
| *'']'' (also) ''a sprig of spaghetti'' | |||
| *''"I've always had a horror of husbands-in-law."'' | |||
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| *''"Only an evil person would eat baby soup."'' | |||
| :{{blockquote|Astrology has no effect on reality, so why should reality have any effect on astrology? – J.S. Stenzel, commenting on astrological planets that astrologers acknowledge don't really exist}} | |||
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| see ] --] (]) 20:28, 17 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| {{blockquote|Do you think the liberals are using these school shootings to further their anti-tragedy agenda?|Col. Erran Morad, ''Who Is America?'', s01e01}} | |||
| {{blockquote|yod-dropper|(when you need something that ''sounds'' like an insult)}} | |||
| {{blockquote|]|response to the scale-wandering rendition of the national anthem at ] 2021}} | |||
| {{blockquote|The Lunatic-in-Charge becomes the Lunatic-at-Large}} | |||
| {{blockquote|] (AKA ''] à l'orange'')}} | |||
| {{blockquote|It is a mortifying circumstance, which greatly perplexes many a painstaking philosopher, that nature often refuses to second his most profound and elaborate efforts; so that often after having invented one of the most ingenious and natural theories imaginable, she will have the perverseness to act directly in the teeth of his system, and flatly contradict his most favorite positions. This is a manifest and unmerited grievance, since it throws the censure of the vulgar and unlearned entirely upon the philosopher; whereas the fault is not to be ascribed to his theory, which is unquestionably correct, but to the waywardness of Dame Nature, who, with the proverbial fickleness of her sex, is continually indulging in coquetries and caprices, and seems really to take pleasure in violating all philosophic rules, and jilting the most learned and indefatigable of her adorers. The philosophers took this in very ill part, and it is thought they would never have pardoned the slight and affront which they conceived put upon them by the world had not a good-natured professor kindly officiated as a mediator between the parties, and effected a reconciliation. Finding the world would not accommodate itself to the theory, he wisely determined to accommodate the theory to the world.|Washington Irving, '']''}} | |||
| {{blockquote|''Pela primeira vez na sua vida a morte soube o que era ter um cão no regaço.''<br>For the first time in her life, death knew what it felt like to have a dog in her lap.|José Saramago, '']''}} | |||
| {{blockquote|It is now generally accepted that the megaliths that make up ] were moved by human effort.|as opposed to by ''what''?}} | |||
| {{blockquote|Anybody who says you only have yourself to blame is just not very good at blaming other people.|]}} | |||
| {{blockquote|''When poppies pull themselves up from their roots <br>and start out, one after the other, toward the sunset – <br>don't follow them.''|], 'Silence'}} | |||
| {{blockquote|And the dough-headed took their acid fermentation for a soul, the stabbing of meat for history, the means of postponing their decay for civilization.|], ''Return from the Stars''}} | |||
| {{blockquote|''The Church says that the Earth is Flat, <br>but I know that it is Round, <br>for I have seen its Shadow on the Moon, <br>and I have more Faith in a Shadow than in the Church.''|(commonly misattributed to Magellan)}} | |||
| {{blockquote|In the early years of the study there were more than 200 speakers of the dialect, including one parrot.|from the WP article ]}} | |||
| {{blockquote|] is unusually eccentric and not very bright. Astronomers have not noticed any outbursts by Mikebrown.|from the WP article ]}} | |||
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| :"homosapiens are people, too!!" | |||
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| :"I've always had a horror of husbands-in-law." | |||
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| :"Only an evil person would eat baby soup." (said in all sincerity) | |||
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| == Luri language == | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Rongorongo | width=570}} | |||
| Hi, please stop vandalizing my username, nor Zack90 or other users are related to me, I asked Zack90 once, and it turned out we both got busted by a duck test but as you see on ] it says "Inconclusive", also please remove newly content was added to ], Minjai is Northern Luri means Central, which is wrong, please also undo other edits you think are related to me, I'm not responsible for any of them, beside Zack90 is not answering my emails. ] (]) 18:39, 19 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Decipherment_of_rongorongo | width=570}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Extensions_to_the_International_Phonetic_Alphabet | width=570}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Hadza_language | width=570}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Esperanto grammar | width=570}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Origin of Hangul | width=570}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Cistercian numerals | width=570 |scale=log}} | |||
| {{Annual readership | days=182 | expanded=true | target=Kaktovik numerals | width=570 |scale=log}} | |||
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| == On mutually intelligible == | |||
| == Caucasus Greeks == | |||
| You reverted my edits on Bono dialect saying “Dolphyne does not say Bono and Fante are mutually intelligible”. This is incorrect and misinformation as Dolphyne always saids Bono is mutually intelligible with other Akan dialects of Akuapem, Asante, Akyem, Fante etc as seen here (p.88)]. Check and verify before I go on to my edits ] (]) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Dear Kwamikagami | |||
| :That's why it's helpful to provide a full reference for your claims. | |||
| The Caucasus Greeks page was so called after extensive discussion on how best to translate designations of the community by themselves and others. In English 'Caucasian' is confusing as this is used as a semi- scientific term to designate all so- called 'white' peoples whether or not they have an actual link to the Caucasus. In Turkish, on the other hand, the geographic designation is exactly what is used for both Caucasus Greeks (Kavkaz Rum) and Pontic Greeks (Pontus Rum), and also reflects how other minorities from the Caucasus are referred to, eg Caucasus Jews and Caucasus Germans, again the English adjective 'Caucasian' is not used here so as to avoid confusion. To English speakers Caucasian Greeks suggests that these are the Greeks who are 'white' in contrast to those who are not, rather than that these are the Greeks from the South Caucasus. If possible, can you please therefore revert your edits of the Caucasus Greeks page. Thank you | |||
| :The Bono article as currently written reflects Dolphyne. I did now change it from a 'dialect' to 'dialect cluster', as Dolphyne says that Bono is not a single dialect. ] (]) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 10:13, 23 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::Bono is a dialect not a dialect cluster. Dolphyne conducted the based on grouped towns because of proximity to each other. That doesn’t make it a dialect cluster. This is also the same for all the Akan dialects. For instance, in Fante dialects, Gomoa, Ekumfi, Breman etc varies yet a unified orthography has been chosen. Page 88 saids it is dialect; her research on Akan languages also say it is a dialect. ] (]) 11:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Chakobo and Pakawara language == | |||
| :I've restored the RM consensus. Kwami, I'll AGF on this one that you didn't see there had already been a discussion on the talk page, but really these controversial moves by you happen way too often. ] (]) 14:07, 23 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, I saw that you merged the Pakawara language with the ] article. I wanted to ask, are they the same language? If so, should the merged article not have the name Chakobo-Pakawara language? Thank you in advance. ] ] (]) 20:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::Okay. Wasn't aware of the discussion. — ] (]) 20:43, 23 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :Moved. According to Fleck 2013, they're dialects of a single language. ] (]) 00:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Comments == | |||
| == IPA characters on General Alphabet of Cameroon Languages table == | |||
| I've left some comments on the Hun-Came and Vucub-Came talk pages. ] (]) 19:49, 24 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Hello, I see that you've reverted to add IPA charts to the IPA consonant table on ] for no given reason. My aim was to bring that article in line with other articles documenting orthographies like ] and ] by detailing the indicated IPA values alongside their representations in the orthography. It improves the reading clarity for users who can understand IPA and doesn't affect others, so I would like to know what your rationale was in reverting my edit, in case there's something I'm missing. Thank you. ] (]) 14:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == Language names == | |||
| :It wasn't the IPA for those letters, AFAICT (if you have a source that confirms it, please let us know), and because the alphabet wasn't designed for a particular language, there might not be a one-to-one correspondence with the IPA anyway. ] (]) 17:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Speaking of Tagalog, do you know why Sanskrit and Pali are not X language as well? I never understood that, especially since Sanskrit is a descriptor, "Perfected", referring to "speech, language" - it's literally ''missing'' the language part. ] ] 05:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::My edit translated the information already present in the article (the table) into IPA characters, not adding anything uncited (although there is no citation for the table itself). It was a natural extention of the current article, and the verifiability of the table is a different matter altogether. | |||
| ::While it is true that since this is a "general alphabet", the letters do not have specific phonetic values, it is nonetheless helpful to detail the characters in the table for the same reason that there is a table in the first place. You'll notice that narrow transcription (// not ) is used, which makes it clear that the IPA does not denote specific phonetic qualities, but rather indicates the kind of sound that is denoted by each letter. ] (]) 17:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::Except that they were not the sounds of each letter. What you provided was OR and clearly wrong. If you have a RS, great, otherwise, no. ] (]) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ::::We have three options: either we get rid of the table since it is unsourced (thereby significantly reducing the usefulness of the article and removing what may be one of the only sources of this information online), we add the IPA characters so as to make the article easier to read or we keep the article as it is. | |||
| ::::The first option is clearly too extreme (you're not contributing to an encyclopedia if you're removing information from it) and subscribing to the third leads to the second (as I've demonstrated). Are you seriously considering making the article useless bc the original creators used sources which are now lost? ] (]) 18:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| :::::We follow sources per ]. If you had sources that met those criteria, we could follow them. But you obviously don't, so we leave the article as-is. ] (]) 19:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| == unichar == | |||
| :It's a matter of disambiguation in English. Sanskrit and Pali refer only to the language, or to things associated with the language. Tagalog, on the other hand, is named after the people and is inherently ambiguous. Our preference at NCLANG is to chose the root common to the people and the language and to disambiguate: e.g. Swahili people and Swahili language. However, if we were to go with the derived forms, Waswahili and Kiswahili, there would be no need to add "people" or "language". — ] (]) 17:28, 25 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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| :Thanks. ] (]) 20:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC) | |||
| Please remove personal attack immediately.--] ]/] 18:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :It's not a personal attack to comment on your behaviour. You're being a hypocrite, and it's entirely appropriate for me to call you out on it. I will change it to ''you're '''being''' a hypocrite'' though so as not to suggest this is your general character. — ] (]) 18:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == French Sign Language language family == | |||
| Your comments on ] page do not make sense. All languages and relations have been cited to the best of human knowledge, using a heavy reliance on Glottolog and Ethnologue. The updated page not only holds the old page's information but also updates information and clarifies the topic. It is well established that the French Sign Language language family is a language family that exists and is a notable topic, but by your logic, the current page with its citations (of which, the new page uses and then has many more) should be deleted and has no place on Misplaced Pages. | |||
| What sorts of verification are needed at this point? What can be done to resolve this? | |||
| -] (]) 18:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
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On mutually intelligible
You reverted my edits on Bono dialect saying “Dolphyne does not say Bono and Fante are mutually intelligible”. This is incorrect and misinformation as Dolphyne always saids Bono is mutually intelligible with other Akan dialects of Akuapem, Asante, Akyem, Fante etc as seen here (p.88)]. Check and verify before I go on to my edits Bosomba Amosah (talk) 13:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's why it's helpful to provide a full reference for your claims.
- The Bono article as currently written reflects Dolphyne. I did now change it from a 'dialect' to 'dialect cluster', as Dolphyne says that Bono is not a single dialect. — kwami (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Bono is a dialect not a dialect cluster. Dolphyne conducted the based on grouped towns because of proximity to each other. That doesn’t make it a dialect cluster. This is also the same for all the Akan dialects. For instance, in Fante dialects, Gomoa, Ekumfi, Breman etc varies yet a unified orthography has been chosen. Page 88 saids it is dialect; her research on Akan languages also say it is a dialect. Bosomba Amosah (talk) 11:19, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Chakobo and Pakawara language
Hello, I saw that you merged the Pakawara language with the Chakobo language article. I wanted to ask, are they the same language? If so, should the merged article not have the name Chakobo-Pakawara language? Thank you in advance. Ruditaly 
(Talk) 20:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Moved. According to Fleck 2013, they're dialects of a single language. — kwami (talk) 00:20, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
IPA characters on General Alphabet of Cameroon Languages table
Hello, I see that you've reverted my edit to add IPA charts to the IPA consonant table on General Alphabet of Cameroon Languages for no given reason. My aim was to bring that article in line with other articles documenting orthographies like Devanagari and Hangul by detailing the indicated IPA values alongside their representations in the orthography. It improves the reading clarity for users who can understand IPA and doesn't affect others, so I would like to know what your rationale was in reverting my edit, in case there's something I'm missing. Thank you. Citation unneeded (talk) 14:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- It wasn't the IPA for those letters, AFAICT (if you have a source that confirms it, please let us know), and because the alphabet wasn't designed for a particular language, there might not be a one-to-one correspondence with the IPA anyway. — kwami (talk) 17:22, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- My edit translated the information already present in the article (the table) into IPA characters, not adding anything uncited (although there is no citation for the table itself). It was a natural extention of the current article, and the verifiability of the table is a different matter altogether.
- While it is true that since this is a "general alphabet", the letters do not have specific phonetic values, it is nonetheless helpful to detail the characters in the table for the same reason that there is a table in the first place. You'll notice that narrow transcription (// not ) is used, which makes it clear that the IPA does not denote specific phonetic qualities, but rather indicates the kind of sound that is denoted by each letter. Citation unneeded (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except that they were not the sounds of each letter. What you provided was OR and clearly wrong. If you have a RS, great, otherwise, no. — kwami (talk) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- We have three options: either we get rid of the table since it is unsourced (thereby significantly reducing the usefulness of the article and removing what may be one of the only sources of this information online), we add the IPA characters so as to make the article easier to read or we keep the article as it is.
- The first option is clearly too extreme (you're not contributing to an encyclopedia if you're removing information from it) and subscribing to the third leads to the second (as I've demonstrated). Are you seriously considering making the article useless bc the original creators used sources which are now lost? Citation unneeded (talk) 18:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- We follow sources per WP:RS. If you had sources that met those criteria, we could follow them. But you obviously don't, so we leave the article as-is. — kwami (talk) 19:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
- Except that they were not the sounds of each letter. What you provided was OR and clearly wrong. If you have a RS, great, otherwise, no. — kwami (talk) 18:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
unichar
Just in case you missed it, an fyi. {{Unichar}} was revised a while back such that the description is no longer required. If given, it is treated as an editor convenience and courtesy. This change was prompted by subtle and not-so-subtle vandalism and pov "corrections". So {{unichar|26A5|Hermaphrodite}} (for example) will display as U+26A5 ⚥ MALE AND FEMALE SIGN: it is not possible (using the template) to override the canonical name. As will {{unichar|26A5}} (U+26A5 ⚥ MALE AND FEMALE SIGN again). 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. — kwami (talk) 20:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)