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	Is this a joke? It's pretty fucking ridiculous.

	{{Edit semi-protected\|answered=yes}} Furthermore, there are no women prominently featured on this page. In fact, the only women present at all are two (debatably three) kind of, sort of visible in the back rows of the Annapolis graduation. Obviously, neglecting to portray happiness as exhibited by a whole half of the world's population is quite silly. If this article is going to contain illustrative photographs, they should be better than what's now up. Here are some nice options: <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/Rebecca_L._Felton.png>, <https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/29/Bride_and_bridesmaid_happy.jpg>, <https://secure.flickr.com/photos/julien_harneis/590028480/>, <https://secure.flickr.com/photos/dfid/7348237818/>, <https://secure.flickr.com/photos/seeminglee/3885634615/>. ] (]) 22:55, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

	== Western Perspective ==

	The article, as often, is clearly biased and written from a Western Anglo-American perspective, from start to finish.

	The first paragraph cites hello the US Declaration of Independence and the "unalienable right for happiness" but we all know that this was written cynically at the same time that the Anglohgejkdbfk;sj hjlfsjldhfjksdj0] comment added by ] (]) 23:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:Specific suggestions for changes? --] <sup>'']''</sup> 23:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

	::Indian philosopher ] wrote in his Nitisutras 2-7 that the root of happiness is ultimately the service to elders (vRddhopasevA). http://sanskritdocuments.org/all_pdf/chANakyasUtra.pdf <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2014 ==

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	== Daniel Kahneman ==

	I am surprised that Daniel Kahneman's work has not been considered in this discussion of happiness. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I am could tackle this.
	Hans Pitsch ] (]) 19:08, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

	== Failure to adequately characterize Happiness ==

	I'm sorely disappointed with the treatment of Happiness. First, if Happiness be a state of mind, and I think all would agree with that, then no one has presented even the properties of Happiness. Properties would include a list of the gradient of affective states, autonomic responses, behavioral responses, the satiation of biological drives to appease impulses of dissatisfaction with the present psycho-physical state. All this historical presentation just muddies the waters and explains nothing. They all focus on what may lead to happiness, not what happiness is and how it's state is established in the mind. ] (]) 13:04, 24 August 2014 (UTC) Dalton Seymour 8/24/14

	== Online Tools for Measuring Happiness/Well-Being ==

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	The tool is a powerful manifestation of the quote “If an egg is broken by outside force, life ends. If broken by inside force, life begins. Great things always begin from inside.” – Jim Kwik, learning expert

	MAP is a scientifically designed tool and has been examined and reviewed by neuroscience experts and psychologists. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 06:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== What is happiness? ==

	It is a complicate question...which depends on the state of the moment.
	You could answer at the question or read different answer here: <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 07:08, 11 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Different Meanings of Happy ==


	Happiness can be related to excitement. Excitement doesn't always mean happy, but can also mean happy in a sense that your situation is bad, but some thing happy finally happens.] (]) 23:38, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

	Hi I am Isha,
	I love reading WIKIPEDIA can you write about What a Kite Sees and Hears?Please! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 08:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	== Evolutionary psychology ==

			<span class="wikied-assignment" style="font-size:85%;">— Assignment last updated by ] (]) 18:49, 22 May 2023 (UTC)</span>
	Can someone put in the evolutionary psychology reason for happiness? Why is the page locked? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:16, 8 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			== Uh... about the lead ==
	I'm interested, but what did you have in mind? Not sure what evolutionary psychology references you are thinking of here. ] (]) 19:35, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

			I'm experiencing the most intense feeling of ] since a long while. Does anybody here have any ideas about expanding the lead? ] (]) 21:37, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
	===Nietzsche===

			:Pinging recent-ish editors that has made substantial edits here to the discussion: ], ], and ] ] (]) 21:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
	Flyer22 is wading out of her depths and has exited the kiddy pool in reverting my inclusion of Nietzsche to the philosophy of happiness section of the article. Nietzsche is obviously enormously relevant to this section, and it is an embarrassing omission to not include him along with Aristotle, Mill, Augustine, and Aquinas. Read the links I've provided and you will see they back up everything I say, which represents the current academic consensus on Nietzsche's philosophical views on happiness. Stop reverting my edits without reason because of your petty, childish vendetta against me, supplying absolutely spurious reasons in the comment box. Thanks! Best of luck to you. ] (]) 19:34, 10 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

			== Planned edits ==
	:My response: Yes, . Your erratic, ], ], rantings and show that it won't be long until that indefinite block happens. ] (]) 00:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

			Just a heads up that I plan on expanding the Positive Psychology and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy sections of this page. They are looking a little slim on information, and a few basics could bring some clarity to these topics. As there has been a request for expansion on the Positive Effects section, I may expand that section a bit too. ] (]) 20:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
	:If you are not indefinitely blocked first, I will type up a good ] case against you. ] (]) 00:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
			] (]) 20:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

			== Fulfilled request to expand positive effect section ==

			I've expanded the positive effect section of this page. I'm not sure if we want to remove the request or not, or if more expansion is still needed or wanted. Perhaps more on the negative effect part?] (]) 22:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
	What does this have to do with my criticism that you had no reason to revert my sourced addition of a paragraph on Nietzsche where many other philosophers of comparable stature are discussed? Whether or not the personal attack was unnecessary, you had no reason to revert my edit. And what is the problem if I rant on my talk page? It's my talk page. ] (]) 00:05, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

			== Explanation of happiness ==
	I don't follow what you're referring to with "this here". What is an ANI noticeboard case, and what is exactly is your complaint?] (]) 00:06, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

			Happiness is revealing rules by generating and combining to predict presence of input signal. ] (]) 15:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
	:Your editing is poor, plain and simple. That was my reason for reverting you. You don't listen to anyone about how poor your editing is (whether we point out your unsourced additions, poorly sourced additions, ] violations, ], ], ] or whatever else); it does not align with Misplaced Pages's ways. And you ] to maintain that poor editing. Your edits to the ] article consist of such editing, and I am tempted to revert you there and assist ] in doing so. "This here" is what I stated in that WP:Edit summary. And if you want to know what WP:ANI is, go ahead and see for yourself. ] (]) 00:12, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

			:interesting, but please could you expand? thanks ] (]) 19:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)
	Fine. Since you're so rude, hostile, and have such an obviously meagre education on topics you chose to write on, and delight in acting like a thorn in my side, pointlessly wasting my work and time on all of my edits, I'm finished editing here. I'm going to revert all my edits myself since the great representative of Misplaced Pages Flyer22 has decided they are unwanted.. I'm done with this low-quality encyclopedia and will invest no more time in improving it. Enjoy your plethora of c-class articles, which cover about 90 percent of the topics.] (]) 00:17, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman

			== Changes of meaning over time unclear ==
	:I highly doubt you know much about the topics I actually write on, such as ] and ]. Having articles on my ] and reverting and/or tweaking problematic edits to them does not meant that I "write on" such topics. I have many articles on my WP:Watchlist. I am also a ]. And I have ] to my name. I don't mean to be rude or hostile to you; I only mean for you to actually read and comprehend the ] that you are pointed to and to adhere to them. ] (]) 01:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

			In the Definition section the part about "Changes of meaning over time" is currently just stating, that the meaning now is different than the meaning of the word was when the US declaration of inderpendance was formed. However it does not state how the meaning changed or give any other information.
	As a note for you, I deleted my edits to the David Hume article since they were so obviously "poor, plain and simple." Strangely enough, they got restored (as did my contributions to nearly all the other pages that you found so purely and simply "poor.") Obviously, I'm very interested in hearing more of your assessment of the Hume article since doubtlessly you've based it on your reading of Hume rather than just spouting shit out of your ass. ] (]) 08:35, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman
			In my opinion just stating that this is different does not provide much information.
			It is also unclear why this is relevant, since this article a priory does not have anything to do with the US or the declatation of inderpendance. ] (]) 15:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

			:Hi. My thinking here was that sometimes people reach back to the Declaration of Independence when talking about happiness, not realising that the word had a very different meaning then. I just wanted to help people who might otherwise make that error. Clearly all languages are 'living' and word meanings change, but in this case particularly so. ] (]) 16:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
	:Regarding , ] reverted you because you removed his edits as well. And it seems that he is willing to let your edits stay for improvement. Regarding , I don't know why ] reverted you, but he is a WP:Patroller and capitalized letters that include one or more insults by a red-linked user account tend to lead WP:Patrollers to revert. I assume that's also why ], who is also a WP:Patroller, reverted you. I (followup note ). I don't know why ] . But your other removals are still removed, and this is better discussed at your talk page. Not here. The various warnings you have received show that I am not "spouting shit out of ass." ] (]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
			::I think there are two quite different things called either "]" or "]": (1) the (temporary) ] and (2) the (lasting) ] or ]. I tend to call the temporary emotion "joy" and the long-term attitude or self-image "happiness", but some authors seem to do the opposite.
			::For example the is clearly not about the emotion. ] (]) 08:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
			:::yes the World happiness Report uses the swb (subjective well being) definition which is like your lasting impression idea. See ref 31 ('John Helliwell, World Happiness Report) in the article for more on that. The current 'Definitions' section of the article tries to explain these differences. ] (]) 17:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

			== Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2024 ==
	You are such a fundamentally dishonest, disengenuous person without the integrity to even admit when she is obviously wrong. My Hume edits were regarded as an improvement, contra the wisdom you tried to dispense to me. Likewise, my "landlord" edits were restored. Likewise my edits to the "Coal" page were restored. As were others. So go fuck off. ] (]) 15:39, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

			{{edit semi-protected\|Happiness\|answered=yes}}
	:Once again, you fail to listen to what has been stated to you. I doubt you did any research into what a WP:Patroller is, such as their use of ], ] and/or ] and how your loud, insult-packed edit summaries would naturally cause any WP:Patroller to revert you. A person restoring your edits does not always mean that your edits were improvements. In this case, it means that your edits were largely WP:Disruptive. Do cease talking to me unless necessary. I do indeed intend to take you to WP:ANI if no one indefinitely ]s you first. You are not suited for Misplaced Pages in the least. ] (]) 15:47, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
			] (]) 03:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Please add a :) I think it would make people really happy and ad something really good to the world
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			==Wiki Education assignment: College Composition II==
	My primary editing has been at the David Hume page. You claimed my edits there were "poor, pure and simple." Yet when I deleted them, they were magically restored. Not by "Twinkle" or "Huggle" but by a live-honest-to-God editor who said not to throw out the edits. So they were indeed regarded as an improvement. Contra your opinion, which you provided no argument to back up. If you'd like, I can delete them again, and we can see what happens this time. Why is admitting you were wrong so difficult for you? ] (]) 16:08, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Kingshowman
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	And you should perhaps finish your education before you start throwing so many insults around and ignorantly opining on subjects well beyond your ken. ] (]) 16:09, 11 August 2015 (UTC)kingshowman
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			== Semi-protected edit request on 12 October 2024 ==
	], thanks for . As you can see above, by stating "Pgallert reverted you because you removed his edits as well. And it seems that he is willing to let your edits stay for improvement.", I noted similarly of your reasons for reverting Kingshowman. ] (]) 16:45, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

			{{Edit semi-protected\|Happiness\|answered=yes}}
	Read it and weep: "I believe the prose added to the lead of Hume indeed improved the article ...the new prose captures much better what Hune is about than what was there before." Please try reading Hume, Nietzsche, or Freud before you comment on them in the future. Enjoying my day of triumph and my freedom from ever editing this encyclopedia again! So long, edit goon!----kingshowman
			] (]) 19:59, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
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			:] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 20:58, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

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Uh... about the lead

I'm experiencing the most intense feeling of writer's block since a long while. Does anybody here have any ideas about expanding the lead? CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 21:37, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Pinging recent-ish editors that has made substantial edits here to the discussion: User:Sinopecynic, User:Ecangola, and User:XMcan CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 21:44, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Planned edits

Just a heads up that I plan on expanding the Positive Psychology and Cognitive Behavioral Therapy sections of this page. They are looking a little slim on information, and a few basics could bring some clarity to these topics. As there has been a request for expansion on the Positive Effects section, I may expand that section a bit too. Itsallinthedetails (talk) 20:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC) Itsallinthedetails (talk) 20:00, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Fulfilled request to expand positive effect section

I've expanded the positive effect section of this page. I'm not sure if we want to remove the request or not, or if more expansion is still needed or wanted. Perhaps more on the negative effect part?Itsallinthedetails (talk) 22:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

Explanation of happiness

Happiness is revealing rules by generating and combining to predict presence of input signal. Tzsf (talk) 15:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

interesting, but please could you expand? thanks Asto77 (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Changes of meaning over time unclear

In the Definition section the part about "Changes of meaning over time" is currently just stating, that the meaning now is different than the meaning of the word was when the US declaration of inderpendance was formed. However it does not state how the meaning changed or give any other information. In my opinion just stating that this is different does not provide much information. It is also unclear why this is relevant, since this article a priory does not have anything to do with the US or the declatation of inderpendance. TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 15:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi. My thinking here was that sometimes people reach back to the Declaration of Independence when talking about happiness, not realising that the word had a very different meaning then. I just wanted to help people who might otherwise make that error. Clearly all languages are 'living' and word meanings change, but in this case particularly so. Asto77 (talk) 16:43, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

I think there are two quite different things called either "happiness" or "joy": (1) the (temporary) emotion and (2) the (lasting) attitude or self-image. I tend to call the temporary emotion "joy" and the long-term attitude or self-image "happiness", but some authors seem to do the opposite.

For example the World Happiness Report is clearly not about the emotion. LucSaffre (talk) 08:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

yes the World happiness Report uses the swb (subjective well being) definition which is like your lasting impression idea. See ref 31 ('John Helliwell, World Happiness Report) in the article for more on that. The current 'Definitions' section of the article tries to explain these differences. Asto77 (talk) 17:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

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Officialelfloor (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Please add a :) I think it would make people really happy and ad something really good to the world

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