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	::The prose has since been improved and the lead has been substantially expanded. A list of events is a poor substitute for prose in this case. BTW, please sign your comments.--] (]) 16:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)		::The prose has since been improved and the lead has been substantially expanded. A list of events is a poor substitute for prose in this case. BTW, please sign your comments.--] (]) 16:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

	==Just checking==		== Just checking ==
	"He was born in ] to an Irish Protestant family"<br>		"He was born in ] to an Irish Protestant family"<br>
	Is this correct? I know that coincidences do happen, but this could so easily be confused with ] who played for ]. Please could someone confirm the information about this Wright is right.<br>] 23:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)		Is this correct? I know that coincidences do happen, but this could so easily be confused with ] who played for ]. Please could someone confirm the information about this Wright is right.<br>] 23:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
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	==Successful Actions against the IRA?==		== Successful Actions against the IRA? ==

	Where is the sources and facts? Just saying it happened isn't really proof that it actually did, this statment contradicts the statment on the LVF page that the LVF have only killed catholic civilians and other loyalists, with the exception of on ex-IRA member the night Wright was executed.		Where is the sources and facts? Just saying it happened isn't really proof that it actually did, this statment contradicts the statment on the LVF page that the LVF have only killed catholic civilians and other loyalists, with the exception of on ex-IRA member the night Wright was executed.
	:I think you'll find that the article now has adequate citations to reliable sources. Could you please put your signature after your comments? Thanks.--] (]) 16:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)		:I think you'll find that the article now has adequate citations to reliable sources. Could you please put your signature after your comments? Thanks.--] (]) 16:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

	==Killed==		== Killed ==
		⚫	Consensus says . <span style="font-family:Verdana;">]<sub>'']''</sub></span> 18:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

	~~Consensus~~ ~~says~~ . ~~<font~~ ~~face=~~"~~Verdana~~">]~~<sub>''~~]''</~~sub~~></~~font~~> 18:34, 31 ~~May~~ 2007 (UTC)		:Wasn't the outcome that if someone was convicted of murder then we state "murdered" rather than "killed"? ] ] 08:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
	:~~Wasn't~~ ~~the~~ ~~outcome that if someone~~ was convicted of murder ~~then we state "murdered~~" ~~rather than~~ "~~killed~~"? ] ] 08:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)		::We state "x was convicted of murder". <span style="font-family:Verdana;">]<sub>'']''</sub></span> 08:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
⚫	::We ~~state~~ "x ~~was convicted of murder"~~. <~~font~~ ~~face~~="Verdana">]<sub>'']''</sub></~~font~~> 08:43, 1 ~~June~~ 2007 (UTC)

	== Not on ceasefire ==		== Not on ceasefire ==

	Just as a follow-up to my recent edit in which I removed the claim that the LVF went on ceasefire in May 1997. The ceasfire statement is available and is clearly dated to May 1998. I just thought I would put that here in case the edit was disputed. ] (]) 15:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)		Just as a follow-up to my recent edit in which I removed the claim that the LVF went on ceasefire in May 1997. The ceasfire statement is available and is clearly dated to May 1998. I just thought I would put that here in case the edit was disputed. ] (]) 15:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
	:Pter Taylor confirms in ''Loyalists'' that neither the LVF nor the INLA were on ceasefire when Wright was killed.--] (]) 07:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)		:Pter Taylor confirms in ''Loyalists'' that neither the LVF nor the INLA were on ceasefire when Wright was killed.--] (]) 07:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

	== NPOV ==		== NPOV ==

	Mabuska, you can't expect to get away with describing the ] in such glowing terms as "bold" and "efficient", even with an (obviously biased) source. Please respect NPOV, no matter your personal opinions. And why have you replaced the sourced description of the car bomb incident with an incorrect version? ] (]) 16:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)		Mabuska, you can't expect to get away with describing the ] in such glowing terms as "bold" and "efficient", even with an (obviously biased) source. Please respect NPOV, no matter your personal opinions. And why have you replaced the sourced description of the car bomb incident with an incorrect version? ] (]) 16:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
			:I don't expect to get away with anything as I didn't describe them as bold and efficient, and to claim that I am pro-UVF as you did elsewhere because I reverted your recent edit is piss-posh. Though having checked the Taylor source it's definitely not in it so it may be in the other, so I've added a request quotation tag to it, which is what you should do rather than your typical carte blanche removing of information that has sources attributed to the end of the statement. The same goes for altering sourced content with claims not supported. Though it was you who added unsourced content at the end of the paragraph. I have added some cleanup tags to what is there. ] <sup>]</sup> 00:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

			::A quick look at the history shows you're using Misplaced Pages's voice to describe the Brigade as both bold and efficient, as well as using other POV language e.g. "seemingly impenetrable". And why are you still insisting on a version of the car bomb episode that is completely at odds with the sourced material but just happens to show Wright in a better light? ] (]) 11:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

			::Well? ] (]) 16:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

			::Mabuska? ] (]) 00:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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			== Media on Commons ==
			Could anyone upload the image of Billy Wright to Wikimedia Commons without breaking the copyright? It would be used in another language sections of Misplaced Pages. ] (]) 16:46, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

			== NPOV Summary ==

			The following is unsourced and appears to be based on person opinion. Suggest this is deleted?

			"Owing to his uncompromising stance as an upholder of Ulster loyalism and opposition to the peace process, Wright is a cult hero, ], and martyr for hardline loyalists. His image adorned ] in loyalist housing estates and many of his devotees have tattoos bearing his likeness. He was also a figure who struck fear into the local Catholic community." ] (]) 19:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

			:I agree. Unreferenced puffery removed there ] (]) 20:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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TODO:

Need to work on the prose here. Look at the first paragraph: way too many instances of "he was." That paragraph could just as well be turned into a list of events by replacing each "he was" with a bullet.

The prose has since been improved and the lead has been substantially expanded. A list of events is a poor substitute for prose in this case. BTW, please sign your comments.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Just checking

"He was born in Wolverhampton to an Irish Protestant family"
Is this correct? I know that coincidences do happen, but this could so easily be confused with Billy Wright (footballer) who played for Wolverhampton Wanderers. Please could someone confirm the information about this Wright is right.
SimonMayer 23:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This seems pretty authoritative:

Billy Wright was born in July 1960 in Wolverhampton, England. He was the only son in a family of five children. While he was still a youngster he returned to Northern Ireland with his family. In 1975, when he was just 15, he was arrested by the Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC). Some time later, he was sentenced to six and a half years to be served in the Young Persons Wing of the Maze Prison. In October 1982, after serving three and a half years, he was released.

Bastie 03:41, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Successful Actions against the IRA?

Where is the sources and facts? Just saying it happened isn't really proof that it actually did, this statment contradicts the statment on the LVF page that the LVF have only killed catholic civilians and other loyalists, with the exception of on ex-IRA member the night Wright was executed.

I think you'll find that the article now has adequate citations to reliable sources. Could you please put your signature after your comments? Thanks.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:15, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Killed

Consensus says killed not murdered. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 18:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't the outcome that if someone was convicted of murder then we state "murdered" rather than "killed"? Stu 08:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

We state "x was convicted of murder". One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 08:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Not on ceasefire

Just as a follow-up to my recent edit in which I removed the claim that the LVF went on ceasefire in May 1997. The ceasfire statement is available here and is clearly dated to May 1998. I just thought I would put that here in case the edit was disputed. Keresaspa (talk) 15:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Pter Taylor confirms in Loyalists that neither the LVF nor the INLA were on ceasefire when Wright was killed.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

NPOV

Mabuska, you can't expect to get away with describing the UVF Mid-Ulster Brigade in such glowing terms as "bold" and "efficient", even with an (obviously biased) source. Please respect NPOV, no matter your personal opinions. And why have you replaced the sourced description of the car bomb incident with an incorrect version? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:29, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

I don't expect to get away with anything as I didn't describe them as bold and efficient, and to claim that I am pro-UVF as you did elsewhere because I reverted your recent edit is piss-posh. Though having checked the Taylor source it's definitely not in it so it may be in the other, so I've added a request quotation tag to it, which is what you should do rather than your typical carte blanche removing of information that has sources attributed to the end of the statement. The same goes for altering sourced content with claims not supported. Though it was you who added unsourced content at the end of the paragraph. I have added some cleanup tags to what is there. Mabuska 00:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

A quick look at the history shows you're using Misplaced Pages's voice to describe the Brigade as both bold and efficient, as well as using other POV language e.g. "seemingly impenetrable". And why are you still insisting on a version of the car bomb episode that is completely at odds with the sourced material but just happens to show Wright in a better light? Gob Lofa (talk) 11:12, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Well? Gob Lofa (talk) 16:52, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

Mabuska? Gob Lofa (talk) 00:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

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"Owing to his uncompromising stance as an upholder of Ulster loyalism and opposition to the peace process, Wright is a cult hero, icon, and martyr for hardline loyalists. His image adorned murals in loyalist housing estates and many of his devotees have tattoos bearing his likeness. He was also a figure who struck fear into the local Catholic community." TheSquareMile (talk) 19:31, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree. Unreferenced puffery removed there Billsmith60 (talk) 20:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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