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==collateral damage==
Hi Dieter


== Fake Royalties Of India in Misplaced Pages ==
Thanks for your message.I shall try and retrive the IP number-it is not something I noticed.And I must say I am totally ignorant of the other query-the type used by the Institution.Coming to think of it,the block only mentioned the IP number if I remeber correctly.Thanks for clearing this up.You can understand as this happened twice,I was somewhat peeved.Sorry if I sounded terse.Regards(] 06:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC))
You may look at https://en.wikipedia.org/Kameshwar_Singh and his predecessors who were officialy Zamindars (landlords) and never real Kings, they were never admitted into the Chamber of Princes (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/Chamber_of_Princes).
I belong to that region and I do not want to quarrel with that family which was the biggest landlord of India and Kshatra Singh (Thakur) had boughgt the title Maharaja in the beginning of 19th century but this family never had any State or boundary.
Vinay Jha
== Nomination for deletion of ] ==
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==] nomination of ]==
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Hello, hey I can understand that my wording was not as concise as it should be but instead of editing out the new research by members of the international neoplatonic society could you help me word my contribution alittle better or maybe put it in a different part of the article rather then simple remove it all together. I understand that too much of anything can cause confusion. So could you help me with adding the new research to the article? Thank you for your time and I hope I did not come across as disrespectful.
] 12:47, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may '''contest the nomination''' by ] and removing the speedy deletion tag. <!-- Template:Db-catempty-notice --> <!-- Template:Db-csd-notice-custom --> <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">] ]</sup> 20:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Excellent points I feel the same and have been shy about adding to the article (you know the old "where to begin and all"). I agree and apologize for not posting clearly and thinking the contribution was deleted instead of moved. There is a contributor on wiki, Zeusnoos who has a PHD or two and is well connected to the neoplatonic society. I am irritating him about this. Thank you for responding and I appreciate your contributions to keeping the neoplatonic ideas as clear and understandable as possible.
] 13:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


== Kuki-Chin-Naga Page Needs a rename ==


The Title and the descriptions are inaccurate , this needs fixing in Wiki and the glottocode as well. ] (]) 08:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::Just saw my name in this message. In spite of LM's praise, I'm only a postgraduate 'junior' scholar with a few publications under my belt. ] 23:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

==]==
Hi Dieter!

] recommended you to me. I am kindly asking you to watch this page because I made some major adjustments that may cause some upstir which I fear might come from less qualified people and might be politically/ethnically motivated. I'd be happy if you could look at the discussion to find out about the history of the article. Thanks a lot, ] 21:22, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Hermano ==

Hi, I couldn't see any reason to move Hermano to Hermano (band) and create a dictionary definition of a foreign word in its place. Those entering "Hermano" should be directed to a page about a notable entity called "Hermano" if one exists, hence navigation was being compromised, and dicdefs are not Misplaced Pages material. If you wish to add a wiktionary link to the Hermano article, go ahead and of course if you have evidence that my take on the situation now (and therefore as it existed before) is incorrect, please tell me. Thanks, <b>]</b> <small>]</small> 14:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

== ß in german texts ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#.C3.9F_in_german_texts

This one might interest you. The Swiss are under discussion again for that letter's usage :)

→ '''<font color="006400">P</font><font color="4B0082">.</font><font color="008000">Mac</font><font color="228B22">Uidhir'''</font> ] ] 16:41, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


==question about your zodiac comments==

"the 4th c. AD, the Hindus adopt the system, and tie it to the background stars (viz., that is not the original system, but a Hindu innovation)."

I have largely found the history you recounted correct, but what is the source for 4th century? I assumed this would have been 2nd (or even 1st) century with the Yavanajataka, which was a later version of an earlier poem. Thanks. ] 23:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC) 19:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
: sorry, I normally sign, not sure what happened. I suspect tracing the literary sources, where they exist, may be more critical in dating works of Greco-Indian astrology rather than calculating the precession difference - the slightest difference of calculation can throw it off quite a bit. ] 23:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== 4AV message. I'm Blocked till next June ==

As you know, I have been blocked by S. TS, apparently for being anti-Republican, for not being a toady, for not engaging in WP sycophancy, or actually, being rather European in attitude towards my feckless President. There really is a ].

So many things have happened since. Mere editors can no longer move articles. My de novo articles are being vandalized by Republicans, and if I complain, TS ups the block.

Misplaced Pages is going to crash and burn in the Florida courts. It might be copvio, more likely libel, but considering how cyberstalkers work, it most likely will be a wrongful death suit. Then, all the servers get seized, and all the admins get outed, and dragged into a Florida court. You, in Europe, are immune, but being sued in an American Court is heavy-duty mess.
--Mark, 4Av.
:Mark, you have admitted to misbehaviour on your part, too, in the past. You were banned by the arbcom for one year. If you sit out your ban, you will be able to come back as an editor in good standing. If you don't want to wait, you could set up a sock account, but you should use that ''only'' to edit articles unrelated to those about which you were in dispute. If you manage to edit peacefully, without taking up any old feuds, I doubt that anyone will block you, even if your identity is revealed. On the other hand, if you start complaining about cabals and Tony again, you will be blocked as a banned user immediately, and after five blocks, your ban counter will be reset. Those are the rules. I do hope you can forget about the Democratic-Republican dichotomy for a while and edit unrelated articles. I know the USA are in a very difficult phase, arguably losing their face and their former values. If I was USian, or in any way holding patriotic feelings towards the US, I would be feeling very bitter about this myself. The world is still larger than the USA, and you can easily edit articles about the ] without getting involved in US-political schemes. Regards, ] <small>]</small> 12:21, 11 July 2006 (UTC)


==Something new==
Can you believe ? ] 12:51, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Rajputs: Resistance is futile==

Dieter, could you check ] please? The mutants seem not only to have invented account-creating bots, but even started to ] our own! ] is malfunctioning and has been systematically reverting our friends ImpuMozhi's and Scabber's edits to that of the vandal. Can it be stopped, before they assimilate the rest of us too? ] ] 21:02, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I was still hoping it was really just a programming error in that ("experimental") feature of VoiceofAll's bot... ;-) It's obviously set to protect the article but seems to have problems recognizing who's the vandal and who isn't. As VoA isn't attending right now, could you perhaps block the bot for a short while so that ImpuMozhi can get his edits through? ] ] 21:09, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
::No need to block, I'm on it. Also note that if an admin edits the page, it will not revert it.''']''' 21:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== E-mail? ==

What do you mean? I don't understand. --] 21:19, 11 July 2006 (UTC) (answer by e-mail if you want)

== Hi ==

Please see ]. What do you think about this article? ] (]) 12:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

== Link spam ==

Thanks for the advice on ]. Someone else just informed me of this resource today and I apparently added my question to ] at about the same time you posted your ipfox.com addition. Note that there are a ''handful'' of links on ] to legitimate ipfox com sites that lack the same ads. I'm assuming blacklisting ipfox.com will not result in the legitimate sites' removal but will stop anyone else adding any more ipfox.com links to Misplaced Pages (perhaps thereby indirectly pressuring this hosting service to ]). Also, there are some other URLs involved besides ipfox.com. I'm new to all of this; how do you suggest I proceed from here?
--] 14:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

== revert on Template:Fact ==

There is a long discussion going on on the talk page surrounding the wording of this template. Please join the discussion rather than making a change and walking away without giving others an avenue to respond other than just reverting what you did.--] 01:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== ANI report ==

Hi - I request you to please see this and take administrative action. ] 06:07, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

==Help (Tamil)==
Hey Dieter,

I'd like to ask you to take a look at something. I'm pretty desperate right now. I think it's not your subject, but if you look at the discussion ] (it's mainly about the difference between "inherited" and "borrowed" lexicon, applicable to any language), you might be able to form an opinion.

If you know some other qualified wikipedians, I'd be glad if you could point this page out to them. Thanks, ] 14:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

== Historical Vedic Religion ==

{{Vandal|216.254.121.169}} has once again edited it. Inspite of putting in Buddhism stuff, he calls it unbalanced. Pretty vandalistic. --<font color ="orange">]<sup>(]|])</sup></font> 13:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
:{{Vandal|216.254.121.169}} Strikes again. --]] 18:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
::Ok.--]] 18:55, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

== Rune Inscription indexes revisited ==
Hey dab, perhaps you remember our conversations from a while ago - in regards to concerns about copyvio, on lists generated from the ] project. In essence I dumped the data and made lists for each district, you had concerns about the copyvio issue and I deleted the entries. I have found some more time, and I wanted to run this by you real quick to see if you think this would work.
I have attempted to contact the person in Sweden listed as the coordinator, but there is no response. It seems to me the project is dead
or dorment, but the data is still valid of course! I am extracting the data from their files into a database. The information is TAKEN from
them of course, but I am not using their "markups". The information taken from their database is:

Rundata ID, English translation, ''Native'' text, Location, GPS coordinates, Material or Object inscribed, Time period stone was made, Artist who made it, Link to Image.

I know that perhaps you are not a copyvio expert, but after following your edits for a while, I do trust your judgement. Since the information
is not really proprietary (except for their code to determine the time period, which I will not include) I believe we should be okay this
time. What do you think? The project page also states "Feel free to spread the database to friends and family that are intrested, the more who use it the better". I know that it does not mean anything officially, but it does seem they are "in the spirit".

I am also in correspondence with the Swedish National Heritage multimedia authority to see if they are willing to copyleft the runestone images,
I have links to images at their website to about 650 stones (!). ] 14:14, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for the response, I appreciate it and will boldly go forward. I took a look at the Ogham inscription list a few times, but I am still working on getting the Ogham font installed properly, but will continue to work on it. ] 13:43, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

== Darwin, Descent of Man ==

The edition of this book that I have was printed in 1871 in New York. It was the first american edition of this book. Thank you for your response.

==A request==

I would request you to please add value to the page ] instead of making it a redirection to the other page. I would suggest you to please understand the issue in its entirety. A simple search in google gives so many results. All good books of history has a separate section for Ancient India. I am sure your knowledge about such matter are not confined to what you may have learnt from wikipedia. Regards. --] 15:50, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
: --] 16:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
::Please also alow the process of ] to grow the contents. --] 16:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

===]===
your behaviour is becoming disruptive now; before you do more moves and copy-paste-moves, argue your position on talk and seek consensus. I see ''no'' reason to have an ] article separate from ], and I have explained my reasons in detail. If you are unhappy about this, present your arguments, or ask for peer review, but do not just move stuff around out of spite. ] <small>]</small> on 21 July 2006 (UTC)
:''My reply and request'': I do believe that no amount of consensus can change a truth. I feel that you do not desire to have a separate page for ] for extraneous reasons. I would, therefore, put up the page for deletion after restoring the contents removed by you. However, I shall support for Keep. In case, you find me disruptive, your behavior is equally disruptive and disturbing too. I request your cooperation to resolve the issue. --] 05:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

==please help==

i have edited a page on ]. but a user called trueblood is continuilly reverting my edits for no visible reasons. if someone is skeptical of the edits i can give the source too. i am not an ardent user and dont know how to deal with this kind of vandalism.
please help

may be my language wasnt good but all i wanted to do was make a point. i wont put it myself on the salman's page but request you to put it there as properly as you can. i just want u to list there that under his death threats and advices by his muslim friends, he renounced his book and embraced islam. his exact statement can be found on my earlier edit. u can also request for the links to his those statements. he said those things on 24th december 1990 under fear of islamic threats.as given by me in the earlier edit
:I am sorry but I am not paid to do your edits for you; you should seek consensus on talkpages, and ask for assistance there if you have language difficulties; ultimately, you are responsible for the quality of your own edits, and if English is not your first language, you might want to contribute to ] Misplaced Pages project. ] <small>]</small> 18:18, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

==Vedic religion and Nirvan--] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)--] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)a==

As far as my Aggressive editing, I provide my sources for the most part.

I could not care less about Babub as he sees any change as vandalism. If you are a responsible admin, which you should try to be, you would note on the Vedic religion it states:

'''"This article discusses the historical religious practices in the Vedic time period;"
'''
Would you kindly answer why the "hinduism" template is on it? Either say this is a discussion on what Hindus think about the Vedic tradition. Why is the Buddhist aspect out?

As far as your understanding about Nirvana, you are wrong:

The word can have many interpretations, the following having been recorded in the great '''Sarvastivàdin commentary, Abhidharma-mahavibhàsa-sàstra:'''


* Vàna, implying the path of rebirth, + nir, meaning leaving off' or 'being away
from the path of rebirth.'

* Vàna, meaning 'stench', + nir, meaning 'freedom': 'freedom from the stench of distressing kamma.'

* '''Vàna, meaning 'dense forests', + nir, meaning 'to get rid of' = 'to be
permanently rid of the dense forest of the five aggregates (panca skandha),
or the 'three roots of greed, hate and delusion (lobha, dosa, moha)' or 'three
characteristics of existence (impermanence, anitya; unsatisfactoriness,
dukkha, soullessness, anàtma).'
'''
*Vàna, meaning 'weaving', + nir, meaning 'knot' = 'freedom from the knot of the
distressful thread of kamma.

Again, you are an admin, BE RESPONSIBLE and FAIR.--] 19:30, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

:three pieces of advice: don't rant at me, work on your Sanskrit transliteration (and consult an etymological dictionary. "freedom from stench" *snort*), and try to address your grievances peacefully (as in ''compassionately'' if you get my meaning) ] <small>]</small> 19:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

: You started the rant, very unadmin like. Again, I have provided a historical source of sanskrit roots from a KEY Buddhist source which is what is in discussion since we are discussing the '''BUDDHIST meaning of Nirvana''', a modern etymological dictionary hardly has all linguistic roots and historical usages, but these ancient sources provide invaluable information.

Again, you have not told me what you are going to do with the Vedic religion page --

1) a decent edit with ALL the templates in, or the Hindu template out. It is only fair.
2) the constant references to Hinduism OUT in the context of Vedic teachings. As it is about VEDIC practices and NOT HINDU practices.
3) again, be fair and look at all sides and make sure all sides provide SOURCES. So far there are NO sources on this page.

Thank you for your assistance and cooperation.--] 21:24, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:hey, I am not Misplaced Pages. I didn't add the Hindu template (in fact I removed it for now, althogh I do not oppose it being there). Look at your talkpage: I am not the only one complaining about your edits, and my complaint is rather more moderate than others. You mentioned ]. No verse, no translator, nothing. Since I doubt the shastra was written in English, you'd need at least state which edition you are using. Once you do, we can easily say that your shastra has such-and-such an etymology for ''Nirvana'', no problem, even if it is not the ''actual'' etymology. It is ''your'' job to provide your references. ] <small>]</small> 21:45, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

::Again thanks for your time. I am not opposed to the Hindu template, I am opposed to it the only template being there as it implies that Hindu tradition is the sole representation of Vedic tradition -- either we should have ALL the templates there (Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism) or none.

:: as for the complaints, I could very much write up a few complaints on those two (Babub and the science guy), they literally refuse to budge and have clearly stated biased views -- you can check them out yourself and see if their writings are biased. Babub is in the business of name calling ("vandal") when anyone changes that section, science guy insists on putting "there is no influence on thinking of the scientists" no matter how many references I put on the study of Buddhism by many of the scientists.

::Again I don't mind people editing my stuff, as long as it is done fairly, if someone points out I am biased I do my homework and will gladly try to provide sources, including the translation of the Abhidharma that you are asking for.

:::--] 01:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

::::alright, that sounds promising. I am certainly prepared to take your concerns seriously as long as you are prepared to 'do your homework' and present them in a collaborative tone. As for the Hinduism template, it's not such a big deal, I do not care either way (such templates are often more bother than they are worth). The point is that Buddhism originated as a ''reform'' movement, discarding Vedic traditions, while Vedanta might be seen as a reform movement that at least nominally retained the Vedas. Thus, the Vedas continue to be considered divine in Hinduism, while they have no such status in Buddhism. That's all interesting, but post-Vedic developments and thus beyond the article's focus. I would like to extend it with material about actual Vedic rituals, not about this or that offshoot. Might I ask you to get an account, so people can communicate with you on your own talkpage? ] <small>]</small> 11:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

==Mysticism image==
Are you looking for a new image to replace the one removed from ]? Did the ] really mock mysticism? Is that because it seemingly depicts a flat earth? Thanks! ] 23:58, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

==Ethnic Germans==

Howdy. You asked for a citation on ]. ], the article on wikipedia, talks about how most Austrians today wouldn't call themselves "German". Well, thats true, but I think its because people focus on the term as a nationality rather than an ethnicity. From the ] article itself, we have/or had the quote "Before World War II, most Austrians considered themselves German and denied the existence of a distinct Austrian ethnic identity." There's some more information of the like here:

http://www.everyculture.com/A-Bo/Austria.html

So although today Austrians wouldn't call themselves "German," it's somewhat irrelevant. The French Swiss probably would say they're Swiss but only refer to the national allegiance. While historically and ethnically, they are still French. The big question here is, if we don't consider Austrians and Swiss Germans...German. Where do we place an infobox for them? ] 05:17, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

:Austrians are a nationality, not an ethnicity. No seperate language, culture... arguably "south German". The Austrians article deals with the associated nuances appropriately. Same goes for the Schweizerdeutsche- the nationality figures you provide contradict the ethnic viewpoint of the article. Cheers. ] 16:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with ]. I don't know what kind of "reference" you're looking for. How is a link not a reference? What is a reference in your opinion? And what will convince you? ] 17:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Ok then, DEUTSCHschweizer shouldnt spark your linguistic wrath, if you keep your nationalism in check. I will find the appropriate refs to revive the Deutsche article after all the anti-German nationalist POV, which you supposedly denounce. ] 15:20, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
::::"if you keep your nationalism in check" -- that's quite funny coming from you, seeing the giant German coat-of-arms on your userpage. ''Deutschschweizer'' is indeed the correct term for the speakers of ''Schweizerdeutsch'': they are ''Schweizer'' speaking a variety of ''Deutsch''. It is obviously the case that ''Schweizerdeutsch'' qualifies as ''Deutsch'' (]), but that certainly doesn't make its speakers ''Deutsche''. I certainly denounce any sort of nationalism, including Swiss nationalism. Switzerland isn't and never was a nation state in the first place. ] <small>]</small> 15:40, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

== FourthAve is banned until about June 1 ==

Saw the history. You actually voted to ban me. You don't know how this depresses me, renders me unhappy, makes me wretched, and how, as an American your views have influenced me to support the big Florida lawsuit that renders Misplaced Pages a victim of the court, bankrupt, with all admins, bureaucats and stewards being made to show up in court with financial statements in hand, including Europeans like you (and if you don't ICE will arrest you at the border). It'll be copyvio, probably, but libel is possible. Most likely, it will be a wrongful death suit, where an editor gets killed because of his facts, with a POV admin behind him did something wrong.

FourthAve. Do email me.
:I do not remember voting on banning you. In fact, since I am not an arbcom member, I couldn't have. You do not seem to make much sense right now, and if you are serious, I think you may suffer from ] and should maybe consider getting assistance. Although seeing all the rabid nationalists on Misplaced Pages, I do admit I have mused on the possibility of a "Misplaced Pages murder" in the past (hey, there were "gaming murders" already, after all :) ] <small>]</small> 09:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

==Greek letters==
Hi Dbachman. Thank you for your contribution for the Greek transliterations on pages such as ]. However, several of the letters you are using (ancient C, ancient "Sh" as in Shaonanoshao) do not show up with my browser. What kind of set-up would be necessary to view them properly? Thank you ] 13:50, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Refdesk query ==

Somebody has asked a question ] about the date of ] upanishad. Can you please answer it. ] (]) 06:11, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you. ] (]) 10:24, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] for deletion ==

Hi, could you check ] out? I am 100% sure that it is a hoax. But those voting for it at the deletion page aren't sure. Could you give your opinion?--]] 03:17, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

== FYI ==

] ] (]) 14:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

== What is offensive? ==
If calling a group of people fanatics who 'call other holes' and telling a neutral admin 'fuck you' is not offensive, then what would you find to be offensive? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 23:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
:"offensive" is one thing; coming to AN/I playing the "ethnic slur" card is another. I do not want to be involved in this (because I don't have the time to wade through the history). Whether it is justified to call people fanatics will depend, I presume, on whether they are in fact fanatics. I have seen weird cases of obsession on Misplaced Pages, so that would not be unheard of. If you have no case except that some editor got annoyed at you and complained in strong terms that one group of editors teams up, ignoring due process, I think you shouldn't pipe up quite so much. But as I say, maybe you were unfairly pounced upon without giving the slightest cause; take it to the arbcom then. ] <small>]</small> 23:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
::I thought that calling an entire nation (Poles) with a demeaning name is ethnic slurr, but I don't want to split words (I wasted enough time recently splitting words like slander, label and defamation...). The fact is I and other Polish editors were offended, and it was not the first time. Ghirla was warned many times, and this is his second block for incivility. I hope this is the end of it and he has learned his lesson, if not, I and others affected by this will think about the course of action. As long as simple report on WP:ANI is sufficient to block him, there is no need to take this to ArbCom, and it is possible that escalating blocks will solve this problem just as happened with Molobo. If not, then ArbCom is the way, I agree. Although again I hope for the best result: Ghirla starts acting in a civil manner and we retain him among our editors (he is a valuable content creator, I always said that). Well, we shall see in what happens. Take care, --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:31, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Do tell were I am "hysterically jump at anyone criticising ". Do you mean my reply to Calgacus? I am sorry, but when somebody accuses me of slander, I feel I should reply. If you would be accused of slander, would you not reply? I am sorry, but for me lack of reply equals silent agreement, and I don't agree with Calgacus I am slandering him (of course he never provides any evidence for his accusations). Unless you think I should consider this a ] case and remove the comment from my talk?--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 19:38, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::::calm down. nobody slurred the Poles. It anyone, Polish ''nationalists'' were attacked, who thank goodness are not yet equivalent to "Poles" pure and simple, for their editing antics on Misplaced Pages. I also happen to think nationalists are crap. Here you go: Swiss nationalists are arseholes. Actually, I think that holds for all nationalists. So I'd agree that Polish nationalists are holes. If saying that gets me blocked, so be it, I'll take it as a sign that Misplaced Pages is leaving the realm of sanity. ] <small>]</small> 19:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry to jump here, but Ghirla did not limit his statement to nationalists. He directed it (as usually) at the entire nation. Full stop. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 21:02, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with both last comments. But this is a past issue now, block is lifted, no further offences seen so far, so all is well. I just don't follow discussions not on my pages day-by-day.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 02:30, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

=== Ghirlandajo ===

You might want to revise your position after accustoming yourself with the following practices of the editor in question (where were you when admins who stood up to him were being and ?) while other users are regularly bullied, harassed, and called trolls, save a few "Ghirla fans" who believe give him immunity? Note this is the tip of the iceberg. Though if youre afraid of being attacked as previous admins have, I would undestand your inaction and defence of Ghirla's practices, which are just as detrimental to the community as some of his contributions are beneficial, . I also hope you wont brush off despite the modest "user name". ] 14:06, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:I've been in conflict with Ghirla before, so I am hardly his "fan". Nevertheless he is a very valuable editor, and it would be stupid to turn him off with overly trigger-happy justice. That doesn't mean "immunity", but I will hardly pursue this discussion unless you log in and talk to me using your regular account. ] <small>]</small> 16:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

::I'm actually one of those Wikipedians who sticks to the "anyone can edit" concept, as I dont have any ambitions to collect a gallery of edits to massage my ego or become an admin, or even build authority and immunity in Ghirlandajo's view. Sorry to see youre prejudiced against "anons". Anyway, youre missing the point. The proverbial drop in the bucket of his abuse got him blocked. The line ends somewhere- as an unrelenting repeat offender, his antics went a bridge too far, even if his comment alone, as a new user's, might have led some to assume good faith. Regards. PS Dont feel obliged to continue pursuing the discussion with a lowly anonymous contributor, but do show minimal respect for the countless editors he has abused in his (full-time?) career here by not gratuitously questioning the block- it's in his own good. A truly valuable contributor would adjust his behaviour instead of throwing a hissy-fit and swearing off the whole community. ] 17:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:::that's good for you (not needing to massage your ego). Anonymous edits are most welcome. There are many uncontroversial tasks to be done, and these can be done anonymously just as well as logged in. ''As soon'' as you are trying to have a ''debate'' with people, however, it is only courteous to pick a handle you can be addressed by. I don't mind your useful edits at all. But I will not enter a debate with an anonymous IP: in my view, the lack of courtesy is entirely on your side, lecturing me on my talk page without as much as an ''imaginary'' name I can refer to you by. You don't need to sign up if your ego doesn't push you to meddling with wikipolitics. Since you ''are'' meddling with wikipolitics, minimal courtesy would demand you sign up. Don't do it for me, though, since I am just as happy without this debate. The "drop in the bucket" thing is just, like, your opinion. The opinion of 83.5.247.158. You might weigh in with this opinion of yours in an arbcom case. Oh wait, you'd have to get an account for that. ] <small>]</small> 17:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

::::If you choose to ignore the subject and instead concentrate on the issue of my ip address, fine. I somehow managed to engage in discussion without refering to you by your username. If you feel my attempt at discussion of the block you vehemently oppose as lecturing, then I guess I've wasted my time, and now understand your defiant defence of Ghirlandajo's ways. Take care Dieter (since it means a lot to you). -Veteran IP
:::::sigh, the point is not that I would like to ''call'' you by your name. The point is that you may want to contine a debate some other day, and while I'll still have my handle, you'll have a completely different IP. I want to be able to look up your contributions, and the history of your involvement in this. This is just ]. As an anon, you are welcome to fix things and add bits and pieces, but I do not recognize you as an 'editor' I can have a meaningful debate with. Yes, you have wasted your time, since I am involved neither with blocking nor with unblocking Ghirla. If you want to argue about the case, you'd need to present diffs of Ghirla being abusive. So far, I've seen none of these, save for the "fuck off" ''following'' the block, which could not have been the rationale ''for'' the block. So, IP or no IP, I don't think you have a case. Either try to build one, or let it be. ] <small>]</small> 18:22, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::Since you a veteran IP, you are not naive and probably know that using a floating IP is perceived as a way of evading of 3RR and a way of unhampered trolling. It is similar to the case that pornography peddlers are #1 defenders of free speech. Please notice also that since you don't have a permanent name, I have no way to know from your whether you are a contributor or a ghirlaphobe. From my long experience, 97% of anonymous editors are vandals, trolls and POV-pushers. While you have rights to voice your opinion, prepare to be ignored by vast majority of admins. `'] ] 18:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::that would be, 97% of anons that think it necessary to become involved in judging editors' behaviour. The vast majority of anon edits are just minor contributions to articles, either good or bad. Anon contributions are welcome. Anon wikilawyering isn't. ] <small>]</small> 18:28, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It looks like we have different sets of articles in our watchlists :-). With your adjustment, I'd rise the estimate to 98.5% `'] ] 18:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::: To veteran IP: either your build case against Ghirla in a proper place or cease your warmongering in numerous user pages. `'] ] 18:37, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::::we do get occasional edits like , thank god ] <small>]</small> 23:09, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::Would the situation change if it was, say, me or Piotrus to post the links here? Would they be any more or any less offensive? Come on... ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 21:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, urging the mediating admin to fuck off was certainly not ok, if we discount all the other evidence. Whether presented by an anon, by a respected contributor, by a newcommer or an admin, it's still the same diffs and links. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 23:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

== Added fair use rationale ==

...for the images ] and ]. Is this ok?--]] 08:50, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:I'll remove the other image. Will your caption take care of the copyright problems until we find another image?--]] 14:49, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
::I understand your concern. This image of Adi Shankara is just held be to genuine all over India. I don't know if it is indeed a portrait of his. In fact all the ''sannyasis'' (monks) of the ] founded by him look the same as he does in this and other pictures (with saffron clothes, a ''danda'' (stick)) and three lines of ''vibhuti'' (sacred ash)). So it is very likely that he looked like this, but noone can say for sure that this is exactly the way he looked. Could this be a fair use rationale/ reference?--]] 05:19, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== ancient Macedonian ==
Hi dab, long time no see :-)I'm glad that you are online because I have some questions about the wording (and new additions) in the article. Please have a look in the talk page. ] 22:17, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Perhaps I'm grumpy or clueless or both, but there is an (IMHO) absurd discussion of a weblink to Stalin texts and Stalin's merits as linguist at ]. Can you please give that page a visit? --] 07:41, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

== mediator? ==

are you the mediator? Saying "just drop it" doesn't really help anyone. it's under criticisms of atheists, ''theists do not share a single concept of morality, period.'' this is exactly the reason for the criticism, which is understandable.
I do not understand what your objective is here. ] 00:29, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
:my objective is to point out that you are just fighting over another corner of a fragmented article. This isn't improving anything, the article needs thorough revision, not another row over some phrase (review the talk archives). ] <small>]</small> 00:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
: could you perhaps say that just as you said that here. your wording on the other page makes you look like you're trying to put people down. Just a thought. ] 00:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
::feel free to cite me, it's all on record thanks be to mediawiki. It is 3 AM where I am, so I might come across more curt than usual. ] <small>]</small> 00:46, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

::at any rate i do appreciate the prompt attention, esp considering the free service. You've been more than helpful. ] 01:35, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
:::you misunderstand - I didn't show up because you called me, the article is on my watchlist, and although I had given it up as hopeless a while ago, I was tempted into having my say once again :) ] <small>]</small> 10:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
== Nixer ==
These articles are now being vandalized by Nixer:

] - Reverts without provides. Rejects official sources and does not specify the sources. Refuses to cooperate.

] and ] - multi 3RR violation

**{{vandal|Nixer}}
Please, help to stop his attack and reverts.--] 11:47, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

* FYI: Posted to ] as well. ]<sub>(])</sub> 15:23, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

=== Roitr ===

See also:

* http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Abuse_reports#Roitr

* http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Mackensen#Roitr

--] 15:57, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] and ] ==

Please see ]. ] 21:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

Hello, could you check and verify the statements contained in this article? I planned to translate it for Russian Misplaced Pages, but after the recentmost edits I'm at a loss what to make of it... --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 06:47, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== WIN ==

I've got a request for admin assistance against WIN up . Please do come and express support so I don't look all alone. ] 14:36, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

: Hmm, my report disappeared off the Incidents page, being archived, and from WIN's user talk, it looks like no action whatsoever was taken. What does one have to do to get an admin's attention for this? ] 04:36, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

: WIN is now threatening to report ''me'' to the admin board. This is getting ridiculous. You are an admin, couldn't you block him or somehow get through to other admins? ] 05:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

== ] ==

], the user recently involved with changing numbers on the ] article has recently started to edit the following articles; ] and ], I'm pretty sure he wants to get his unsourced opinion included one way or another. I've reverted his edits serveral times, but I'' have limits regarding the 3 revert rule''. Maybe you could have a look.

Another thing, he has recently contacted the other user also editing the Germans article without sources, calling us revisionists, talking about a vote, but also about finding references:
*''''''
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] 17:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

==]==
:It is clear that you have a partisan bias in this issue. My edits are carefully referenced and quoted. Do not engage in libelous accusations or you will be blocked. Thank you.] 23:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
::no, they aren't. my bias is pro-academic, anti-fundamentalist. I ''will'' take it upon myself to block you if you issue more bogus warnings, especially since your attitude doesn't show the least sign of improvement. ] <small>]</small> 23:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree with you that the article is terrible. However, if I try to present the facts, you will abuse your powers to block me. Since you have admitted you are a student working on the subject, you have a potential bias on this issue as you are directing a certain POV. I request you to stay a passive observer in this matter and not compromise your objectivity, or I'm going to have to request neutral third party arbitration. That's fair I think.] 23:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I am a student working on what subject? I never worked on the subject of Indian nationalism outside Misplaced Pages and have no bias other than proper attribution to academic sources. It is ridiculous of you, obviously steeped in popular opinion, to call me biased. I will not block you for your unscientific opinions, of course, I only block for Misplaced Pages policy violation and trolling, and I will obviously post any block I am to give you for review by other admins, so you may rest assured that any untenable actions on my part will be reverted immediately. ] <small>]</small> 06:39, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Agree with Dbachman that arbit blogs from nobodies shouldn't be linked. But Vamadeva Shastri and Shrikant Talageri are hardly 'nobodies'. Plus, if Herr Witzel said that Hindus in North America should not be allowed to cremate their dead, and that they are racially inferior, then what is he other than a bigot I wonder quietly to myself?] 06:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::I find it interesting that you attack Hindus whenever you can manufacture a canard (nationalist, libel etc.etc.), but when other users use the same attacks against myself (libel of a living person ie me) you don't bat an eye. I wonder why that is.] 07:07, 3 August 2006 (UTC)'
::::::I can personally attest that Dr.Witzel is motivated by scholarship alone. It's outrageous that he's been ceaselessly subjected to these arbitrary, ill-informed, nationalistically inspired attacks.] 09:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::If you had other topics than just Hinduism on your watchlist, you would realize that I have no double standards. I see no reason to protect ''you'' (not the real Subhash Bose, but the Misplaced Pages troll), since I consider your behaviour to be unacceptable: it is just a waste of time to keep your account in service, because you obviously could not Get It to save your life. I really wish you would find some other forum to let out your feelings of inferiority, Misplaced Pages is for writing an encyclopedia, not a social service. If Witzel said anywhere "Hindus are racially inferior" anywhere, the picture would look drastically different, but of course that's just another one of your lies (or rather, one of the lies of your fanatic blogger crowd that you repeat mindlessly and tirelessly). ] <small>]</small> 20:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::blogger crowd, eh? Is a blog?] 02:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Witzel's body of work, meant to defame and denigrate all Indians, is proof enpough of his intentions. While other reputable WESTERN scholars have been objective and analytical in their papers, Witzel has been writing little other than temper tantrums and ad-hominem attacks. Timothy Usher can attest to anyone all he wants, doesn't change the facts about Witzel. His racist attacks against Hindus is well-documented in the Indology yahoo forum.] 23:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::"extremist websites", then. What's your point? Any source calling Witzel a "self-proclaimed Indologist" is a joke. I will not discuss Witzel's personality (I've never met the man), but as Harvard professor of Indology, he is hardly 'self-proclaimed'. This debate is pointless. You are spreading misinformation, and I and others remove it. I am telling you that you will be blocked if you continue. That's all there is to it. ] <small>]</small> 09:59, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Is that a threat? The Pioneer is hardly a blogger crowd, it is a circulated newspaper, respected for its journalism in India. Please do your homework. Anyways, Hindus have no collective memory either by oral tradition, or scripture to back up this racist theory. We dont deny that Central Asian trbes have contributed their blood to the people of India (Rajputs, Gujaratis, Pathans all have good amounts of it) but an invasion, even an Aryan migration is a sad joke]%% 17:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::It would seem that Witzel is being blamed here for status-quo opinion of the field as a whole. Indic languages are transparently Indo-European. There is simply no reason to believe that Indo-European languages originated in the Indian subcontintent, and many good reasons not to. This traditional picture has recently found support from population genetics. It has nothing whatsoever to do with racism or anti-Hindu sentiment. His big sin appears to have been his expert testimony against politically-motivated alterations of California textbooks, but that’s nothing that any self-respecting Indologist wouldn’t have done, if invited to do so.] 19:19, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::at the end of the day, I never understood what is supposed to be "racist" about the theory in the first place. I mean, no matter where you live and what your ethnicity, you have to accept that if you go back 3,000 years, your ancestors will be from all over the place. Claiming that it is "racist" to say the same of Indians seems to imply that the 'Indian nation' is somehow "purer" than any other nation on earth, a position that is itself patently racist. I have no respect whatsoever for this jingoist sort of attitude, telling experts that they are mistaken about their own field, and neither should Misplaced Pages. It wouldn't even need to be discussed in any halfway academic forum, and Misplaced Pages needs to grow immunity against this sort of thing. ] <small>]</small> 22:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Not 3000 years, perhaps 300000 years. We all agree humans came from Africa. You should realize that the Indus Valley Civ is the ancestor to present-day Hinduism just like H. Erectus to H. Sapiens with no Aryan Invasion. As for the purity, I have stated that many North Indians have Central Asian, Turk, Arab, and Mongol blood. If 1 in 120 people in the world is a descendant of Genghis Khan, there definitely are some Indian descendants of Genghis Khan. The thought that Vedic culture came from outside India (Vedic = Hindu) is ludicrous, as nobody had any memory (myths & legends based on facts) of a migration. The Mongol invasion definitely happened (1 in 120 rule and documented). The Arab/Islamic invasion happened (documented). The European Imperialist Invasion happened (documented). The Aryan Invasion though (not documented) never happened.]%% 00:10, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::: Most modern scholars don't talk about an invasion anymore. Why do you persist in talking about a theory abandoned some time ago? Instead, the migration of cultural traits is a way to explain similiarities between the languages of northern India and those of Europe, which can all be traced back to a common ancestor. The migration of cultural traits would have necessarily been so slow and unremarkable that there would be little to no documentation, and there's really no need for documentation when presented with the issue of the clear genetic affiliation of the Indic languages and those outside India. Furthermore, no one says that Vedic culture came from outside India. Instead, any reputable Indo-Europeanist would claim that Vedic culture is the result of imported cultural traits meeting with indigenous cultural traits. You keep denouncing arguments that no one is actually making. ] 02:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== I am asking you to prove me wrong==
:If you are truly a dispassionate academic and want to represent the truth away from all forms of bigotry, bias or nationalism/parochialism/tribalism then very good. If your intentions are trulyy that scholarly then prove it. Why does the article on ] have a link to a radical Islamist website that preaches anti-semitism?

:?

:The website has several racist and anti-semitic articles:


quote fom article:
<blockquote>
"Also, according to the Noble Quran, MOST Jews are evil doers"
</blockquote>
:This is an anti-semitic statement. In many countries in Europe (where you're from), anti-semitic statements are legally classified as hate-speech and are against the law.


:Makes blood libel against Jewish people.

:Anti-semitic canard

:There is much more nauseatingly hateful propaganda on this site. It does not have any scholarly merit or value. Why is this linked in the ] article? speak out against this libelous defamation and prove me wrong.] 00:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
:so you argue you are within your rights to spread hate speech and propaganda because other people do the same? I cannot be held responsible for all of Misplaced Pages's content, I am watching some 2,000 articles out of 1.2 million, and it is wasting enough of my time already to keep the worst trolling out of these. ] is not on my watchlist. Put it on peer review to have it cleaned up. I could do it myself, but that would be implicitly accepting your fallacious implication that as long as you are able to find hate propaganda on Misplaced Pages, you are allowed to insert even more hate propaganda yourself. You are also very welcome to clean up the points you mention yourself. In fact, your time will be much better invested ''removing'' propaganda from Misplaced Pages than ''adding'' it, and I would welcome you as a usefulu Wikipedian if you did. Maybe you just need a break from the topics you feel so emotional about and go patrolling some topics you can view more detachedly. ] <small>]</small> 09:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
::I can only agree - as, it seems, would dab - that this link ought be removed, if you've not done so already.] 06:48, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== Slander ==

Netaji has added you to a "Fundy watchlist" . The words he uses to describe you are clearly slander. ] 15:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

: I'm no admin, so I can't block him. I'd recommend that you contact other admins, as every time I've reported a serious troll on the Noticeboard, it just gets archived with no action taken. Please see the message I left above about WIN, too. ] 15:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

:: Actually, I've been around since early 2003, though used a different name back then. In any event, so much of my recent activity has been reverting linkspam and WIN's disruptions that I don't find any time for significant additions to articles. Wouldn't that be a mark against me? ] 16:02, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
:::This Fundy watchlist should be deleted. ] <sup>]</sup> 04:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

::::] is behaving very oddly nowadays. Must still be recovering from his ].--]] 05:00, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

] <sup>]</sup> 05:17, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

== Extremely disappointed in your troll comment ==

I was extremely hurt by your troll comment. I always respected you and your work. You do a lot for the hinduism articles. I was extremely disappointed by the comment you made on the AFD.--] 06:06, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

==Reply to your "stop harassing me" comment in my talk page==

First of all , I have never harassed you. I was just asking one user why he felt you were doing a "fine job" with regard to Hindu related articles.It was out of genuine surprise and curiosity. If you think that is "harassment" , I cannot do much about it.

Your next statement "I am not anti-Hindu or anti-Indian" is hilarious. I had already pointed out your exact words once. I will do it again. I think this will show your deep seated prejudice against India.

" ''' .....millions of more clueless people where they came from, and especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access. I feel ..... " .

This one sentence is enough to show your true feelings .] 14:42, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Bharatveer, I feel you should let off dab this once and assume ]. I don't think he is genuinely pre-judiced. I think he may have heard some Indian mediapersons claiming that "Hindu fanatics are re-writing Indian history" and other such canards. On an aside, a funny thing is, these people won't admit the massive subversion done to our history by the communists (] exposes this double-standard in his '']'') and they have no proof for any "revisionism" of "Hindu fundamentalists". --]] 15:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::mediapersons? haha, Bharatveer, I assure you I had only the best image of Indians before I met the 'fundies' on Misplaced Pages. Needless to say, I do not assume that anything like most Indians have your sort of paranoia. Again, I am not interested in the "]" and anything of that sort, I am not interested in your anxieties, and I am not interested in you. I am just asking you to leave me alone: I am editing articles on topics in which I am competent and you are not. Some of them just happen to impinge on the ancient history of India: I am very much interested in the Bronze Age, and I am qualified to write about ancient history and comparative linguistics. It figures that you should feel so strongly about my comment about "clueless Indians" since you are obviously one of them. This has nothing to do with anti-Indian sentiment, since I obviously recognize that there is plenty of cluelessness in any nation on earth. But I happen to find, empirically, here on Wikipeida, that in few other fields is cluelessness force-fed to people quite as obstinately as in India-related articles. I don't know the reasons for this, and I am not interested in them, I just want it to stop. I still don't know what is so objectionable about my famous comment. The fact that I recognize that India is so technologically advanced that even remote rural areas (aka 'shitholes') are going online? thank you, now stop smearing me all over the place. ] <small>]</small> 16:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Again, you are showing your skills of confusing the issue . You are bringing in ] and making it appear that it was me who brought that subject.
So can you stop this nonsense and have the decency to admit whom you were threatening to block?

I do not have anything against you personally,But I see some remarkable similarities between ] and you.I will just list 2 of them here.
#learning about a culture and a language just for denigrating and degrading it ,(even if it is a paid job)
#Your "famous comment of ''' SHITHOLES ''' and the famous comment ''' HINA ''' of ] .
I see that now you have changed the "SHITHOLES" from Indians to rural areas of ].You see this is what you really are. I dont think anyone can help you regarding this.

Your writing skills cannot not hide your prejudices .It will keep coming out until you learn to free your mind from prejudices, which I personally feel, will be a difficult task for you.] 04:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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:Bharatveer, you wrote, "Your writing skills cannot not hide your prejudices." Do you mean to say you have no prejudices, or you don't bother trying to hide them? How is dab supposed to respond, "No, there aren't?" "Yes, they can?" What are you asking him to do? To stop participating in certain articles? To adopt your POV? To agree that he's bad? I'm frankly amazed how level-headed dab's discourse has been, considering the constant incoming flow of assumptive, accusatory and hostile posts.

:Incidentally, what did Witzel say that has made people so upset?] 05:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::Personally, I was shocked when Witzel took sides with the Marxist historian ]. He could have defended his scholarly position independently. So I don't feel he is all goody-goody as he is made out to be. But still I am willing to assume ] on his part as he may have been unnecessarily dragged into controversies. As far as dab is concerned, I too was amazed by his patience (with me :) and others) and found his contributions were (although unsourced) pretty good. --]] 06:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I am not trying to portray Witzel as a saint or as infallible. Frankly, I think he has been undiplomatic, and is taking heat now that he could have avoided. I will ''not'' have people smear him as a Nazi or racist or whatever, per ], and I will ''not'' have his political enemies misrepresent his academic reputation, that's all. ] <small>]</small> 08:09, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

'''I realize for the first time that people have taken "shitholes" to refer to ''Indians'' (people). This is obviously a language problem, but I can now understand the outrage. "Shithole" is a colloquial derogatory term for a ''place'', not a person.''' . I also stress that I never called India a "shithole": the context was a suspicion that extremely aggressive but uneducated redneck editors on ] were from remote desert towns that had just got their first internet cafe: A sarcastic statement, but not an attack on Indians or India as a whole, except for the implication that India has shabby towns and uneducated rednecks with internet access (which is obviously just as true of the USA and other countries)
This incident highlights the wider problem of having to deal with aggressive editors who have little command of English. If you contribute to a foreign language encyclopedia, you are especially bound to ], allowing for the possibility that you misunderstand colloquial expressions. Now that this is finally cleared up, I frankly expect a full apology from editors who have given me so much grief because of their limited command of English idiomatic expressions. ] <small>]</small> 08:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:Frankly, in ], the Hindu village culture is held in high esteem unlike in Europe, where thanks to Christianity, village (''pagan'' means a rural kind of person, doesn't it?) has acquired a somewhat derogatory meaning. Possibly this is the source of confusion for dab and others unfamiliar with Indian culture. --]] 08:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::no, it appears that Bharatveer has confused "shithole" with "arsehole" (understandable, seeing the fecal association). I do not think that this has anything to do with Indian village culture. I was referring to villages as 'shitholes' to ''another'' Wikipedian (Zora), whom I could assume to be familiar with the English idiom, and people 'overhearing' me jumped at my throat. This is all in the past, but I demand an apology from Bharatveer and friends who keep bringing up the quote. Bharatveer: there is ] (and ]), you will be much happier there. As long as you 'contribute' here, being aware of the language barrier is ''your'' responsibility. I recognize the dignity of rural life, btw. It is just that intellectual brilliance and output of encyclopedic prose (what we look for on Misplaced Pages) is not among the virtues associated with it. ] <small>]</small> 08:15, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:: Your arguments are getting funnier. First of all , Keep all your advices for your self.I know where and what to contribute in a "foreign" encyclopedia.
My "English" is good enough to "undersand" your "idiotic" expressions.I personally dont care whether you use your Mouth or your arse to shit or of understanding fecal connections. That is entirely your problem. But YOUR attempts in justifying the sentence " ''' especially in India, every sh*thole is getting internet access. I feel .. ''' " , is not going to help .Nobody except some MAINSTREAM SCHOLARS of your kind are going to believe that drivel. I am ignoring the comments about 'Indian Village culture' with the contempt it deserves. As I have said many times before, you cannot hide YOUR PREJUDICES, it will keep on coming out .
Therefore No one here is going to give you an apology .It is because you dont deserve one.
I will make sure that your ''' famous '''quote will surely "haunt" you for the rest of your wiki life.] 09:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:per your comment right above
::''I see that now you have changed the "SHITHOLES" from Indians to rural areas of ].''
:which is ungrammatical, but which, in an attempt to make sense of your comment, I have emended to read
::''I see that you are now claiming your expression of "shitholes" referred not to Indians but to rural areas of India.''
:I did my best to assume good faith on your part: you seemed to imply that you had taken the term to refer to Indians (and you seemed to accuse me of having applied it to Indians myself, and only later tried to weasel out of it by claiming it referred to 'rural areas'). Since I am afraid I cannot accept your last post as an apology, it seems obvious now that you are conscioucly misinterpreting my statements: there is nothing wrong with my 'quote', and if you did not misunderstand it due to language problems, I still don't see what you think is so terrible about it. At this point, it is impossible to assume good faith on your part, so that our discussion is over, and I warn you now that if you continue with your harassment and trolling, you will be banned from Misplaced Pages. ] <small>]</small> 09:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:: Repeating lies after lies is not going to help you here. I have never , I repeat never harassed you. But that will not stop me from quoting your "FAMOUS" comment. I think i have clearly stated that you are not worthy of an apology , your statement that you cannot accept that as an apology is down right funny.I would ask you to first stop your hatefilled edits . Finally stop treating Misplaced Pages as your "ancestral Property" and be nice. Keep your advices and warnings to yourself.] 09:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::His "famous" comment was incivil, but he's right that you're misinterpreting it, and I've no doubt his explanation after internal demographics is exactly what he meant. I'll agree with you that it's not ideal, but your insistence upon using this to hound him, in posts filled with personal attacks, is still less so. I agree with dab that you should be blocked, if only because you seem more interested in attacking people than discussing anything productive.] 09:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::it would have been clearly incivil if it had been directed at the editors in question (who at that point had made a habit of spewing rudest abuse at me, 'incivil' would be an euphemism there); directed at another user, it was just mildly sarcastic. The beam in thine eye... Timothy, I am getting bored with this, I would be grateful if you could get some admin to look at Bharatveer's recent behaviour and warn and/or block him. ] <small>]</small> 10:00, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Dab, I am wholly sympathetic, as diffs of mine from months back have been and are being rubbed in my face in the service of a deeply unfair narrative, just as is being done to Witzel. I am sorry that I've not the power to block him, as I certainly would have done so based on his posts here alone. I will alert someone else, though, on your behalf.] 10:16, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::::We should also note that there was an RfC on Dab in which his comment referred above and many others were discussed and I remember him coming clean out of that (with a mild warning). There's no point in raising a settled issue around a single edit in the midst of his thousands of useful edits. -- ] <sup>\] \]</sup> 10:13, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::Guys, could everyone calm down for a moment? --]] 10:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::I'm glad that everything seems to have calmed down a bit. From an outsiders perspective, I had the impression that mistakes were made on both sides, and that the normal ] process wasn't followed. I don't want to discuss this any further, but I hope that everyone calms down again. Lets focus on writing articles, not on petty disputes from the past. --] 12:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I'm happy to do that, as long as AGF is at all possible, but DR is meaningless in the face of malignant trolling of course, although I still remain open to an apology (or promise to reform) from Bharatveer. ] <small>]</small> 13:16, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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==about ashwamedha==
i know u r admin, and i actually did not wanted to post this message here. if u want to stop further discussions on this topic, then plz tell me, i wont bother u. if u want that i dont post anything on the talk page of ashwamedha, plz tell me (and dont block me straightaway).

as for the spaming of talk pages, u can have a look at this comment .
when somebody removed it, the admins reverted it, saying that u are allowed to post such comments on the talk pages.

for the reveting of ashwamedha talk page, i dont think there was anything that was worth removal in there. but atleast u could have left the passage and reverted only the parts that u found objectionable. u could have left the answers to ur question posted above. and atleast tell me what u find POV in my post.

neways waiting for ur comments. only then i will put forward my side.
] 19:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:I asked you to stop the text message grammar, and to discuss to the point. ] and tell us what you want. I for one will not answer until you use proper English and present a coherent argument. Misplaced Pages is not an internet chatroom. It is irrelevant what your mom might have told you about Sanskrit, consult published sources. Ask your mom to direct you if you don't know where to find the pertinent literature. ] <small>]</small> 19:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

it was not an literary argument. i just mentioned as an example, that even those with good knowledge of classical sanskrit do not understand vedic sanskrit. it was an answer to the comment you posted above wherein you said that the difference between vedic sanskrit and classical sanskrit is about the same as the difference between dan brown's english and shakespeare's english.

i do not think that anything i wrote there is not understandable to common man. if you are pointing out to the usage of "u" instead of you and other similar mistakes, then i will take care of this in my future posts. please tell me what do you find irrevalent in my last post on the talk page of ashwamedha, that you reverted. one that i could understand is the mention of my mother holding an doctorate in sanskrit. if you find that objectionable than it will not be posted there. Is there anything else that you find objectionable on that comment?

please read my reverted article again and i humbly request you to replace "u" by "you" in this post. i will take care of not writing "u" instead of "you" again. Please also tell me that what was not understandable to you, so that i could take care of that in the future. i also request you to undo the revert.
] 20:15, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks for complying with my request concerning the ''u'', I appreciate it. Still, what you say is simply not true, no matter how often you repeat it: Vedic Sanskrit is perfectly well understood, and there is a huge body of grammatical and philological literature about the topic. It is true that Vedic Sanskrit ceased to be well understood by medieval Indian authors, but nearly full understanding has been reached once again more than 200 years ago now. Again, I think you have a point complaining about the home-grown translation at ], but your other removals were plain unmotivated. ] <small>]</small> 20:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

my simple point is that ramayana and mahabharata were written in classical sanskrit and described the ashwamedha in detail. there is no argument over there translation. can we have those translations here.
i would also like to point out that ramayana and mahabharat do not attribute any sexual or mock sexual ritual in ashwamedha. and it will not be hard for you to concede that people of ramayan era could have understood vedic sanskrit.

i request you to read my reverted post. i think i am pretty clear there for what i want.
] 20:46, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:well, you can of course discuss descriptions of Ashvamedha in epic literature. That doesn't take away the fact that the earliest and most authoritative description of the ritual is that of the Yajurveda plus Brahmana commentaries. The Ramayana compared to the Yajurveda is like Mel Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ" compared to the Greek gospel :) ] <small>]</small> 20:55, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

at least you will accept that for vedic sanskrit, there have been almost opposite translations even by european authors. please read the Indus valley civilization page. the scripts used there were similar to vedic sanskrit and they have not been decoded yet.
my point was not that vedic sanskrit is not understood by anyone. what i said was that it is completely unrelated to classical sanskrit. even the script is different.

i am just pointing out that it is unfair to put one translation of vedic sanskrit by griffith when we have many other almost opposite translations. we can either provide all of the translations, or restrict ourselves to not put any of the translations.

since it is a controversial topic, i will support removal of any and every translation of vedic sanskrit, till it is verified that only griffith did the correct translations. just like the basis of our modern judicial systems - "innocent till proven guilty". waiting for your comments.

and can you please unrevert my last post. as an example of dirty talk posted on talk pages you can see this link. .
i am not justifying it, i am just saying that there is nothing in my ashwamedha post that deserves revertion. you can find various other talk pages wherein "u" has been used for "you"
] 21:13, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:Again, your statement is wrong. The translation of more than 90% of Vedic texts will be completely straightforward. There will be difficult parts, granted, and these would have to be discussed in detail ''if'' competing grammatical or lexical interpretations can be cited. You cannot just claim "everything is controversial" and remove stuff, you have to ''show'' that a certain point is controversial. The "Indus script" has nothing to do with all this. It is wrong that "Vedic Sanskrit is completely unrelated" (or even very different) from Classical Sanskrit. It is ''wrong'' that "even the script is different" (read our ] article). It is evident that you are basing all of this on hearsay information, and I am afraid your sources are not reliable. I really recommend that you read up on the topic if you are seriously interested. I will not have the time to point out such basics to you in further detail, please try to do it yourself. You are welcome to ask further specific questions once you have a Vedic grammar in front of you (try MacDonell, for example), I will gladly answer if you cite the page you are on and the point that is unclear. Regarding your post, I will not revert you if you restore it. Note however that posts on talkpages should discuss the article, and be coherent (what do you want? based on what sources?). I agree that there is much misbehaviour on Misplaced Pages, but try to help setting an example :) ] <small>]</small> 21:37, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

i'll get a copy of translations for myself. both mcdowell and the dayand ones. meanwhile, have a look at this post .
this is just to point out that all that britishers said for ancient india is not true.
u can also have a look at this.

anyways, can the portion of Ambedkar be deleted from the main page.
] 22:08, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

actually i dont think it was a bit brusque to revert posts on talk pages. it is an extreme step and just precedes blocking. talk pages are meant for POVs and you are not expected to write perfect grammatical english, as long as most people understand it. and you can find the use of ''u r'' in almost all the talk pages, (except the ones watched by you)

i have also cited the example of
.
when this was removed by one of the users, than admins reverted the removals, saying that you can post any of your views on talk pages.(when in my view the user chad786 should have been blocked from further editing). By removing my posts you seem to claim that i wrote worse than chad786 and i was just lucky to survive blocking. (second and unlike implication was that you seem to criticise the admin of indo-pak war page to revert the removal of this shit talk).

also can i cite references from ] and still survive the POV and original research tag.

I have read somewhere that indic script is similar to vedic script and parts of vedas have been found in sites of indus valley civilazations. i shall post the source as soon as possible. one such author was R. Hasenpflug. but i shall write more concrete evidences in the near future.

] 01:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

please point out my views which you feel fundamentalist or unfair for use in wikipedia. i just pointed out that i trusted the translations of vedas in mahabharata and ramayana, more than the ones done by the griffith (ramayana and mahabharata claim that the ashwamedha rite as performed in the epics is the true vedic rite and confirms to all vedic rituals). i may be wrong and it may be my POV, but i dont feel i was violating any of wikipedia policies by posting that on the talk page.

there are many users like who have been warned many times for vandalism and even faced temporary blockings. i think they can be permanently blocked. (i am not complaining for the particular user in this post )

i really dont want to be officially or unofficially warned or even accused for vandalism (or spamming), especially by an admin. i think you can understand my point
] 02:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

==]==
I see you have undeleted this without going through DRV, even though there is nothing in the article which alleges notability. It should have gone through DRV, and common civility would hae indicated that you discuss it with ] before undeletion. ]|] 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I loved how one of those references was a Bennett Cerf joke book. But all of the refs were offline, which is fine, but unless somebody has access to them, there really should have been Internet refs, as well. The article itself did not establish notability, which makes it speedyable. Doing a Google search myself, I get less than 700 ghits for all people names "Connor Barrett". The first two are for this guy, but the first one is an empty page. DRV would have been the appropriate place to go. ]|] 22:53, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
:sending the guy to DRV would have been lame and bureaucratic in my view, because there had been ''no'' debate about it, not even a warning. DRV is for cases that ''have'' been debated, with some people wanting to debate it still more. It is difficult to at a glance establish the notability of articles citing offline references. Why speedy them? Without warning or debate? Maybe it will be justly deleted following Afd, ''no harm done'': I do not argue the article is notable, I argue the speedying was rash. I realize you disagree, which makes it a de facto ''disputed speedy'', so off to Afd it goes. ] <small>]</small> 23:04, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
::] Thank-you. You have earned the Thumbs Up Award for your even handed treatment of both ] and ] 00:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC). There is a long history to the article, it is part of a much larger project that I am working on. More later. Probably. <small>—The preceding ] comment was added by ] (] • ]) 00:12, 9 August 2006 (UTC).</small>

::I disagree that DRV is for cases that have been debated. So does the policy, from ]:
:::Deletion Review is the process to be used by '''all''' editors, including administrators, who wish to challenge the outcome of '''any''' deletion debate or a speedy deletion unless:
:::*They are able to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question (this should be attempted first - courteously invite the deleting admin to take a second look);
:::*In the most exceptional cases, posting a message to ] may be more appropriate instead. Rapid correctional action can then be taken if the ensuing discussion makes clear it should be.
:::*An administrator (or other editor) is correcting a mistake of their own, or has agreed to amend their decision after the kind of discussion mentioned above.
:::(emphasis not added.)
::It would not have hurt to ping me on my talk page and say "hey, I think you were a bit quick to delete this, any chance you could have another look?" Please consider doing so next time. Thanks! ] (]) 00:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:In reply to your message on my talk page, I just thought that the issue lacked urgency - in an urgent case of some sort, it is reasonable to go ahead and avoid asking another admin.
:As for notifying people about why their article was speedied, with ] running a backlog of up to half a day, leaving a message for everyone is simply not viable. If someone goes to their ex-article and it is not there, there is a clear link to the deletion log for the page, where they will (usually, I admit I sometimes fall down on this) find a description of why the page was deleted written in plain English.
:Anyway, I think we may as well let this rest, as it is becoming dangerously ] :) ] (]) 10:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
::Regarding messages to 'deletion victims' I would argue that the less clear the case, the more important leaving a note. I never blamed you for deleting the article, even though I think you made a mistake, because I am aware of the insane SD workload; I was just slightly irritated at the irritation caused by my undeletion. I agree, let's drop it now, no harm was done afaics. ] <small>]</small> 10:21, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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