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Thanks for the Christmas wishes, and Happy New Year to you ! --]<sup>]</sup> 15:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you the anonymous user to leave comments at my talk page some time ago? I did not ignore your comments, I simply lost my computer for almost two months, and lately I didn't have time to correct the maps. They are on my to-do list, but I don't have the time to do it now. ]] 08:27, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


== Bayern/Urawa ==
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Please cite your sources instead of starting ]s. A referenced edit is much less likely to be deleted. At the same time, please don't delete sourced information unless you have sources proving they are false.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 22:44, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


:Actually, "don't delete information unless you can prove it is wrong" is exactly opposite of the Misplaced Pages policy, (see #2 and #3 at the top of ]). Had it been cited correctly, or even mentioned on the ] article, it would not have been deleted. Thanks for adding the citation. ] 02:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
:BTW, before you remove a large chunk of the text, like you did at ] recently, be sure to take a look at its talk page. At times it helps to avoid disputes.. ]] 23:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


== ] ==
I would like to helpfully point out that information on is simply one of the ], or copies, of Misplaced Pages content. ] is the original, up to date Misplaced Pages article. ] 02:59, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


:... I can't believe this, it was you who cast accusations of revisionim (not toward me yet)? LOL. Observe poor logic of your answer. I did not claim he was Polish, did I (in that case your message and Kaliningrad example could be relevant). Actually, I have more complex views. I indicated that Poles did consider him Polish (as you looked like ingnorant to that). And let me rephrase your post in my talk that basically says ''Poles (or commies) considered him Pole because he was famous''. Terrible as argument.
:I am a latecomer to this controversy, so I don't know exactly what you mean by ''information so different''. Still, as Misplaced Pages is created by many individual editors, it is quite often not consistent with itself, and one article may contradict information in another. This is why I have quoted a reputable book written by an eminent historian, to provide a more reliable source. ] 03:13, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


:As for Dzierzon, you may want to realize his self-identification. If this discussion really concerns ''him'' and you have some constructive input, let's move to the relevant talk page. Otherwise EOT. --] ] 22:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
:Anyway, I put some effort in typing in the reference, so please do not remove it. ] is a highly respected historian, and I would tend to trust him more than any Misplaced Pages article. ] 03:14, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


== response to FYI ==
:Indeed, the worst atrocities were not perpetrated by normal German formations but by "special" units, most importantly the Dirlewanger and Kaminsky brigades. Still, the German commanders knew very well what these brigades were likely to do and still sent them to quell the Uprising, so they share some responsibility.
:As for using strong words, some historical events do require strong words. See for example the ] article which describes a similar incident in France. ] 03:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


Frankly, I'm rather disgusted with what's going on at Dzierzon's article. He was a good example of how for many people ethnic origin was not the most important thing, and that being a Poles and Germans could collaborate instead of fighting each other. And now we have the (mostly anonymous) warriors, trying to push that he was German or Polish. How counter-productive and counter-factual. --]<sup>]</sup> 01:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
''Indeed, the worst atrocities were not perpetrated by normal German formations''
http://www.warsawuprising.com/doc/atrocities.pdf
The crimes committed by the Germans at the
time of the Warsaw rising in August and
September, 1944, occupy a special place among
those committed by the in Poland during the
recent war.'''These crimes,''' '''the victims of which''''''
'''were thousands of unarmed citizens, men,'''
'''women and children, were committed by army'''
'''troops in fulfilment of explicit orders given by the'''
'''highest German army authorities; they were'''
'''carried out by the germane Army and the German'''
'''General Staff, institutions independent of the'''
Gestapo.'''
The whole question is not essentially changed by
the fact that the majority of these troops consisted
of a police brigade in which criminals and
Volksdeutsche served and of the Vlassov army
composed of Soviet prisoner-of-war (Warsaw
population usually called them Ukrainians) '''for
these were parts of the German army, under
German Command. They were thrown into action
and committed common crimes by order of the
German High Command.'''
German soldiers and members of the Vlassov
army in German unfirom together committed
atrocities on an unarmed civilianh poplation. It is
not material that certain of their criminal deeds,
such, as the violation of women, were done
principally by Vlassov’s men; these facts were
known to the German officers who allowed them
to happen. Vlassov’s troops were merely carrying
out the crimes; they were pawns in a general
criminal scheme. '''Everything that happened in the
'''tragic days of the''' '''Warsaw Rising''' ''' was know to'''
'''and approved by the German Command.'''''''''


:Sometimes I wish anon users were banned from editing articles. This one is particularly frustrating, not only because of the idle debate, but also because it could be such a positive example, that's been turned into a silly warzone instead. What I (and I think you too) am trying to do is to guard the consensus version, but I can see how unstable it is. --]<sup>]</sup> 01:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
*http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
I was in the last group of four. I begged the Vlassov's men around me to save me and the children, and they asked if I had anything with which to buy my life. I had a large amount of gold with me and gave it them. '''They took it all and wanted to lead me away, but the German supervising the execution would not allow them to do so''', and when I begged him to let me go he pushed me off, shouting "Quicker!" I fell when he pushed me. He also hit and pushed my elder boy, shouting "hurry up, you Polish bandit".
--] 11:38, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


:The same for the ]. While I'm aware it's far from perfect, I don't want to see it made any worse than it is now, either way. --]<sup>]</sup> 01:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
and so? these lies are supposed to make me feel that you have a right to distort history, because you feel that Poland is the only nation to have ever suffered? you need CREDIBLE sources for anything you put on here] 05:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
: What reason do you have to call those sources lies? You should cite your sources in article, not in edit summaries. ] is an outdated mirror of Wiki, and as Balcer pointed out, it is thus much less valuable as a reference then books or non-wiki external links.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 23:39, 16 December 2005 (UTC)


== ] ==
Just because something has been published in a book doesn't make it true, or else Mein Kampf would be true, its probably just as true as your sources, that is to say 0% true. If it were an outdated mirror of the wiki then why dont u go there and edit all there topics to skew history in your favour all over the WWW] 23:39, 19 December 2005 (UTC)


This article has been receiving a lot of hits today. I am having problems keeping up with it because many of my other articles are also getting hit. I know that basics about Nicolaus Copernicus but not enough to fully proof the article. One IP broke a lot of the links by inserting extra brackets. Looks like your last edit cleaned some. ] 00:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
==Block==
I've blocked you for 24 hours for violating the ] on ]. Please discuss disputed changes rather than engaging in edit wars. ] 13:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)


::BTW, if you look at my talkpage, it appears a user who disagreed with one of my reverse edits, may be using multiple IPs or has a sockpuppet. It is the last item called "Link on Copernicus". One person signed it, Andrew, and the other is by an anonymous unsigned IP that I did not leave a citation on. ] 01:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
=="The Vanished Kingdom" reviews==
#"This book should never have been published. One thing we do not need is nostalgia for Prussia - a state that was hated, while it existed, by all its neighbours, that expanded by systematic aggression and banditry, and that became joyfully identified with a doctrine of extreme immoralism in politics and military aggression as the basis of international relations. The author feels the need to slander the Poles in order to make us forget not only what Hitler did, but what Prussia had been doing to them since the First Partition; so he represents them as drunks and congenital Jew-baiters (but Poland had the largest Jewish population in Europe - until Germany decided to do something about it). Other reviewers have said what needed to be said about the rotten double standards, the lousy history and map, the racism, the single-minded intention to rewrite history - but I have one more thing to say: find me another country in European history that ever drew, throughout its history, the hatred and contempt that Prussia drew from the age of Frederick the so-called Great to Hitler. If Prussia was so great, why did it manage the unusual feat of (for instance) making Chesterton and Kipling unanimous in their detestation? Is there another nation that has so managed to unify Europe, uninting it three times over - in the Seven Years' War, and in the two World Wars - in war, and uniting it constantly in dislike? And it is always those who knew Prussia and Prussian Germany best, that hated it the most: unlike France in the age of the Sun King and of Napoleon - where people fought French aggression but imitated French art and administration - and unlike the USA today, nobody ever wanted to imitate Prussia once they had seen what it was like. People like F.D.Roosevelt, who spent one year there as a young man, went back home with a rooted dislike to the whole Prussian/German system that was to have long-lasting results. Believe me, Mr.Roy, the biggest favour anyone ever did to Germany was done in 1945 and included the complete territorial destruction of Prussia. As for the Hindenburg family vaults being used as a garbage dump - well, it hardly counts as a change of use, does it?"
#"Readers interested in the the former East Prussia should make the effort to read The Vanished Kingdom, as it provides a good description of the German elements of the history of this region. The main disappointment with this book is that the author's views on the superiority of German culture over Polish culture are reflected throughout the book, making it a very one-sided account of history. Sometimes it is difficult to even take the author seriously (for example, he writes at one point that a group of drunk Poles in a bar represented the only friendly Poles he had encountered throughout all of his travels through Poland). Essentially, he equates all things German with progress and culture and all things Polish with backwardness and decay. The book unreasonably dismisses Polish historical claims to the region, and at points appears to attempt to portray the Poles as being the most anti-semitic of all Europeans. Although the book excellently describes the German history of this region, it is not the balanced analysis that I had hoped for."
#"From start to finish the book is a huge disappointment. For a region like Prussia, that was changing it's borders at least twice in a century the author is providing only one map from 1939, and even that is full of mistakes - rivers that don't exist, Kulm in East Prussia instead of in Poland, major cities misnamed. For the very unique and controversial subject of the prussian history the author chose the long discarded even by German historians, 19th century 'Borussian Myth' - drawing a straight line from the Teutonic Knights' rulership, through the Hohenzollern rule to the unification of Germany. All the elements of Polish history of the land are carefully omitted. Author interviews members of German nobility, aristocracy and German historians. When it comes to the Polish side he talks to car dealers, street drunks and other incompetent sources to show polish ignorance and lack of deep insight. Entire two chapters are devoted to an interview with a Jewish concentration camp survivor and an anti-Polish fanatic. This part is completely irrelevant to the subject of the book (Prussia), it just allows to show Poles in the worst possible light and portray them as primitive, blood thirsty, genetically anti-semitic beasts, responsible for entire Jewish holocaust in WW2. 'Germans were killing Jews only when they were ordered to, but Poles killed Jews whenever they had an opportunity, just for plain joy and pleasure, to satisfy their animal instincts' - that's basically the message contained in the book. There is no mention in the book about the 300 year history of Royal Prussia - a Polish province from 1454. The consistently pro-Polish loyalty of the people inhabiting the Prussian Provinces, even through the difficult war times, never appears in the book. The 15, 16 and 17th century symbol of Prussia - the Prussian Liberty and Privileges, provided by the King of Poland, and brutally liquidated during the Partitions of Poland - all of it was not worth discussion in a book supposedly devoted to 'travels through history of Prussia'. This might be a great book for a nostalgic Germans of East Prussian descent, but never to somebody, who would like to learn something about a twisted, complex and controversial history of Prussia. However, the exceptional writing skills and author's ability to capture reader's emotions will make this book very hard to put down."
#"This book is quite readable and interesting. So what's wrong with it? The author is terribly insulting towards Poles. They are frequently portrayed as drunks and nasty drunks, and he repeatedly makes the mistake of writing what he assumes they are saying to him, although his knowledge of the Polish language seems to be minimal. James Roy's comment about the Polish Home Army acting horribly towards Polish Jews strikes me as a bit one-sided. Perhaps he could have mentioned prominent Polish Jews such as Jacob Berman and Schlomo Morel(a mass murderer and torturer currently hiding out in Israel as a fugitve from Polish justice)who were instrumental in turning post-war Poland into a massive Stalinist concentration camp for Polish Catholics, all the while murdering/ethnically cleansing the former population of Germans. The strong point of this book is its explanation of Prussian history. If you can put up with the frequent put downs of Poles and the barbs thrown at the Germans/Prussians, then it makes for good reading."
#"This book is a misguided, ahistorical disaster. "The Vanished Kingdom" is nothing more than a convoluted travel diary with no worthwhile insights. It is bigoted, unintelligent, and overflowing with historical inaccuracies.When describing the Franco-Prussian war, Roy writes: "This conflict resulted in the formal creation of the German empire at Versailles Palace on January 18, 1871, its Hall of Mirrors then full of generals in cuirasses and pointed helmets, their swords drawn and yelling Hunnish war cries to the new Emperor William I." Roy is not describing the event; he is describing the famous painting by Anton von Werner, which was obviously a de facto "enhancement" of the coronation by the great nationalist artist. (In reality, the whole thing was a very muted affair.) Similar sloppiness pervades the rest of the text. On page 104, the Great Elector is called "King of Prussia," when he was actually "King in Prussia" - a very slight, but nevertheless important, distinction. Roy also ridiculously asserts that the Hohenzollerns were xenophobic and determined to keep their nation ethnically Prussian. He doesn't mention the 1685 Edict of Potsdam, which extended an open invitation to French Huguenots (of which 20,000 came) or the similarly enormous influx of Salzburgers into East Prussia. As for Roy's travels and "interviews," the only point that is repeatedly made is that Poles are "mean" and "stupid," and Germans "orderly" and "great." Roy even includes pictures of drunken Russians and Poles in this book. (After all, they are the only ones who consume alcohol, right?) In the meantime, Roy's "German friends" - who are all coincidentally rightist reactionaries and angry Wehrmacht veterans - chat poetically about spilling their blood for sacred Prussian soil. This book is a joke. If you are interested in the history of Brandenburg-Prussia, you will find Alexandra Richie's "Faust's Metropolis: A History of Berlin" to be infinitely more rewarding than this overblown, hackneyed harangue."
] 19:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


Amazon.com. Of course I read it myself! Review # 3 is mine! You really didn't see the anti-Polish bias? ] 19:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC) :::Looks like a new user, ], has begun edits to this article. He is reversing some edits. ] 02:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


====== == re: vandal ==
Hi Jadger. I am one of those backward Poles full of nationalist bullshit. Add me to your list. ] 09:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)


I looked at it, and he's been blocked by another admin already. Let me know if you need any help in the future. That Nazi/"you will be watched" summary would have gotten an immediate block from me. Cheers, ] <sup>]</sup> 00:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
== Silesian Uprisings ==
:I took another look -- everyone you listed except ] has been blocked. I can keep an eye on that IP address. FYI, I can't do a ] on logged-in people; only a few people have access to that. (I'm not sure how people could have such disparate IP addresses as 131 and 207, but then again, I'm no expert.) I'll keep an eye on ] as well. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


== ] ==
So? France wasnt established following ww2 just because it was a new fourth republic- same with Poland. ] 12:01, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


no, because there were still lands controlled by it, under the Free French Banner, some of its colonies remained french, and also there was also Vichy France, whereas there was no separate Polish state, Poland was run by the Nazis 100% unlike Vichy France] 01:13, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


Hi there! I am going to make a nice, friendly request that you stay away from Copernicus and anything that vandal touches for a while. No offense intended, you seem to have decided to stayed away from it already but you exceeded 3 reverts on most of the pages. Just wanted to warn you that anymore reverts and you face a possibility of being blocked. Cheers, ] ] ] 04:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
:I invite you to the ] article. But I digress. Common nomenclature, and rightly so, states that Poland regained her independence following WWI. And why do you revert my links to the Weimar Republic? It would give a better and tighter understanding of the era. ] 03:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


== Reverting vandalism ==
i reverted the link because by stating "German gov't" rather then simply "Germany" as u did clarifies what others were editing, that is that the polish people were rebelling against freikorps (if u wanted to keep the link under the name "german gov't that'd be fine with me". the polish gov't was in exile for WWII, but was not set-up in Poland following WWII, the Soviets set-up their own gov't after the war, which became what we now recognize as Poland. this is different tehn the French as they still had land that was recognized as French, not German controlled. and besides we are not talking about Poland following WWII, we are talking following WWI, unless u can prove there was a gov't in exile for over 100 years my opinion stands.] 20:17, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


I noticed you were reverting added tags <nowiki>{{POV-check}} and {{unreferenced|date=December 2006}}</nowiki> by ]. Although I understand why you did it just take care someone may think you're a vandal, because this is not a vandalism - any editor can express feelings that page needs POV-check and that is unreferenced. Happy editing. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 09:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
==User page==
Would you consider rewording your user page? You are entitled to make criticisms about (what you see as) Polish nationlist bias on Misplaced Pages. However, what is not acceptable is to post such criticisms in the form of personal attacks: specifically, listing other editors that you "hate", and referring to their "utterly stupid" "childish attacks". Moreover, your comments are very close to being anti-Polish slurs: "These are the type of people that allow the Polish stereotypes to continue, by fitting perfectly the stereotype", and quoting Bismarck, apparently with approval given the context, talking about "the destruction of the Poles". This is unacceptable to the community; see policies ] and ]. ] 12:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


== Userbox ==
I have considered it, and will not change it, as the sentence "I hate people that insist on imposing their views on others, especially using Misplaced Pages which gives a false idea of authority on the subject to unwary readers." is not a personal attack unless someone realizes that is the way they act, and if that is how they act they should not be on wikipedia. So before I change that, u would need to ban Halibutt and the other people who keep labeling me as a "Nazi Apologetic" as they are outrightly hating people that subscribe to a different political ideal, even though I am not a Nazi and do not condone its actions.


I created you the userbox ''This user is interested in Central Europe history'' hope you'll enjoy it. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 09:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
As my user page states: "The absurd an childish attacks that these people bring against someone who edits their work is utterly stupid, calling everyone "Nazis" and "anti-polish". These are the type of people that allow the Polish stereotypes to continue, by fitting perfectly the stereotype."
:I recreated it to be more unique <nowiki>{{user Central Europe}}</nowiki>


{{user Central Europe}}
That is more of a fact then most things these other users post. look at a list of Molobo's contributions and see how many times he calls someone a Nazi unjustifiably.


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As for anti-Polish slurs? where do u get that from? I was referring to how these users' actions casts a bad light on Polish people as a whole, as they act similar to Polish stereotypes. just like a person fits the stereotype for a redneck if he wears a wife-beater, has a mullet, is missing teeth and talks with a southern drawl, and is racist. It is not a personal attack, I was simply stating a fact.
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:''']<sup>]</sup>''' 18:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
::Actually the celtic cross is the best one - neutral and catches whole central europe. See celtic tribes in central europe ] green area is tribes around 1000 B.C. It's hard to find something purely related to the central europe region. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 05:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think anyone can think that celtic cross is a neo-nazi symbol, afaik they use svástika and cross must be equilateral. But I changed it to ] picture, good idea. ''']<sup>]</sup>''' 06:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


== User:LUCPOL ==
to reiterate, I will not change it, as it is not a personal attack.] 01:30, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
: It is, and I've removed it. Please do not reinstate it. ] 07:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


I just want to ask you if you would be willing to help me stop ]s wikipedia propagandist and compulsive lieing spree, ive made a report but im not yet finished....here it is ]] 06:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
==Personal attacks==
Please refrain from attacking other editors on your user page (or in fact anywhere on Misplaced Pages). I strongly urge you to rewrite your user page to remove the attacks upon editors ], ], ] and ]. If you feel that their editing is detrimental to Misplaced Pages, there are ] for you to make your feelings known. Badmouthing them on your user page is not one of those channels. Regards, ] (]) 21:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


== Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II ==
:Got it? ] 22:07, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
::Space Cadet, apart from the bossiness of this comment of yours here, what is it that makes you disagree with Jadger's user page but not with ], on you, Lysi(Wojsyl) and Molobo voted 'keep' (Halibutt didn't vote at all but posted a link to the black book on his own user page in approval, and deleted it only later when he was approached about it in his RfA)? ] 23:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Nightbeast, the criterion is always the same: THE TRUTH, which of course is unknown, but it should be our goal here to at least pursue it by avoiding lies. ] 23:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Yes, yes, your goal... ] 23:22, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::No, no, it is MHO that it should be a collective goal for all of us here. ] 23:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Folks, this is about Jadger's user page; if you want to dredge up a discussion about other "black books", please do so elsewhere. (I don't think comments like "got it?" really help the situation, either). ] 23:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I honestly believed it would help though. ] 23:30, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
::::You got what Matt Crypto said, Space Cadet? (just so it helps you) ] 23:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::LOL! Your historically first Good One. I admit you literally put me on the floor, like three bottles of wódka. ] 23:41, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Well, I wasn't and am not in the mood of joking. Rather I'm pretty fed up of what I consider double standards, harassment and teasing, the delaying of the sock check on Molobo in favour of commenting on a second black book and last but not least my lack of time. I can understand that Jadger chose to vent the intense annoyance he must have had about the rudeness he faced not least by you, Space Cadet. ] 23:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Your second good one! I'm on the floor again. ] 00:16, 22 January 2006 (UTC)P.S. It's "fed up WITH" not "fed up OF". P.S.2. "In the mood FOR" not "in the mood OF". Are you in the right Misplaced Pages?


Hi, please don't get me wrong, but I think you might appreciate the notice that is on a verge of personal attack. Or it's unnecessarily aggressive and rude at least. I'm sure you will know it's not my intention to patronize you, but maybe such tone would be better avoided in discussing the already very delicate topic. Cheers. --]<sup>]</sup> 05:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I took the only offensive part of my userpage off, if u could even call it that (the bismarck quote). the rest is all true, unless u can prove otherwise I am not taking these facts off my userpage. so unless u can prove that Molobo has never called me a "Nazi" or Space Cadet doesnt call me a "chauvanist" or that they do not keep editing my posts, it stays.] 16:15, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Well said and done.--] 01:11, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


:No, I'm fine with that but the aggressive tone might aggravate others if this escalates and we would not want another trench war there, would we. I just wanted to make sure you're aware of this. Just consider this a friendly remark, nothing more. Thanks. --]<sup>]</sup> 05:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
== Hi! ==


== Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Prussia ==
Trouble? http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:German_Wikipedians%27_notice_board ] 00:29, 9 February 2006 (UTC)


I think you might be interested in ], if you aren't already a patron. ] 01:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
I kindly ask you to remove your personal attacks on me from your user page. ] is pretty clear and I'd appreciate it if you abide by that rule. ]] 12:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


== IP templates ==
and which personal attack is that? the one were I state u are seemingly intelligent but at the same time hold a fiercely nationalistic perspective? that is not a personal attack, if one calls Hitler an anti-semite, that is a personal attack, and so requires deletion by your criteria, so lets go edit teh Hitler article and remove every occurence of "anti-semite" in that article. --] 17:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


When listing user IPs, the following two templates can be useful: ] and ]. For IP "86.27.64.149", which was recently listed on ], the templates would list:
: By listing me on your attack page you suggest I ''insist that every German during WWII committed an atrocity against'' me, which is a blatant lie
*{{IPUser|86.27.64.149}}
: You suggest that I ''plaster Misplaced Pages with non-sensical (most oftenly Polish) nationalist bullshit'', which is also a lie.
*{{User5|86.27.64.149}}
: You claim that I ''insist on imposing my views on others, (...) which gives a false impression of authority on the subject to unwary readers'', which is also a lie
FYI, ] 18:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
: You state that I ''believe the myth that Poland has been the victim of history'', which is a lie as well
: You claim that I ''consciously try and force this view on others'', which is nothing but your sick vision
: You also call me stupid, childish and call me some other names I did not deserve.
All in all, I asked you to remove your attack page. You refused. I will ask the admins to either blank your page or resort to some more serious measures since civilised chat does not work with you. ]]


:Glad to be of assistance. IMO, you should tone down your criticism of Tulkolahten at the expulsions page (as he should of you). Rhetoric and personal attacks by either side aren't going to help the situation, but will only make things matters worse. ] 20:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Seeing as English is not your first language you obviously do not understand some of the more technical constructs of the language. For instance, a new paragraph denotes a new topic, and I never state your name in the paragraph:


==Draft==
"right now I guess u could say I am in a revert conflict against some Poles who insist that every German during WWII committed an atrocity against them. I am trying to prevent this POV pushing one or two pages at a time."
]


--] 22:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
You yourself have just admitted self-incriminatingly, that you yourself see how people could see you as described in that paragraph. This is inherently a partial admission that you share the detrimental characteristics of this group.


== Jadger/Expulsion ==
ALSO, read the paragraph again, in it is stated:


Thanks for the note. I'm travelling, and accessing the net with my mobile,
"The people I have noticed that most closely fit this description are Molobo, Space Cadet, and Halibutt."
so my activity is quite limited for the next couple of days still. --]<sup>]</sup> 15:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


== re: your message ==
I do not state that you do belong in that group, just that at first glance one could mistake you for a member (if you are not a member of that group). the next sentence in the paragraph you have continued to misunderstand the subject, as the subject is not you, but this supposed group (if indeed it does exist). I will edit taht sentence to make the subject more clear.


I apologize, but I have a lot going on IRL and do not have the energy to get involved in a dispute right now. I suggest you post to an appropriate subpage of ] and someone there will help you. Thanks and good luck, ] <sup>]</sup> 17:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
As for your not believing the myth that Poland is the victim of history, I never state that you do, not that you can prove to me or anyone else that you do not believe that. The onus is on you to prove that, if you insist on continuing to take my words out of context that is.
--] 04:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


== Your note ==
:If one could "mistake" me, then leave it to the person - and do not list me on your user page. Full stop. BTW, apparently native English speakers understood the attack on me on your user page the very same way as I did, so it's not a matter of my English but rather of your behaviour. ]] 13:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


I did not offend you. In at least two cases you have removed a valid reference and then some more text - claiming it's unreferenced. Well, if it wasn't for your actions the remarks would've been referenced, just like they were before. So, in other words, your actions perfectly fit the definition of vandalism. Whether you feel offended by the word or not is really not of my business, is it. However, if you're not offended by your actions, how come you feel offended when someone calls them by their name?
== CANAPPUS ==


Anyway, I saw your recent counter-productive spree and I'd like to point out that I did not revert all of your changes. In situations where you did any (I mean '''any''') improvement of the earlier version along with promotion of the other name, I left them as they were. However, in situations where you simply changed a word or two just for the sake of it, I reverted to the stable version. ''<span style="color:#901;">//</span>'']] 22:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Hi, how about starting Coalition Against NAtionalistic Pov PUShing one day ? --]<sup>]</sup> 18:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


==re:jadger==
that'd be a great idea, but I can only see it being protested by Molobo and Halibutt as a front to conspire against them. As well, I can see a problem being in the selection of membership, It could end up like Halibutt's denied RfA maybe.
--] 22:44, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


please, I would like to ask you to stop personally attacking me, as calling my edits "vandalism" does. I am also curious as to what in them constitutes vandalism? is it the removal of POV? or using the same name for an article as the article is titled? or maybe it is the removal of false citations in non-english languages that are represented to say something that they in reality do not?
I have no intention to reply to your questions as long as you keep your offensive user page. ]]


--] 03:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
See, you are acting exactly as what you claim you are not. I am willing to put aside our differences in order to further the wiki, you on the other hand are not able to put your personal prejudices off to the side. This is exactly why your RfA was denied.
--] 06:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


No, no, no - it's more about INSERTING biased POV, false claims, admiration for the FRITZ and his passed away since XIX century state, which shows in ALL your edits, destructive actions whose only purpose is to create chaos, your edit wars, your playing dumb or ignorant (which we both know you're not) whenever convenient etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Happy Valentine's Day! ] 03:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
----


I hope you like it.<br>
:I wonder if you would be equally willing to cooperate with someone who calls you an idiot, a moron and suggest you're a nationalist, which is a serious offence to me. I seriously doubt it. Also, protesting against childish offensive language and tone has got nothing to do with one's political beliefs. If I were a nationalist I would equally protest against your violation of ]. ]] 13:09, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
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Friends?<br>
] 14:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


==If it continues==
Please learn to properly edit and put your attacks upon me in the correct category of my talk page. and which native English speakers are these that think my current page revision attacks you? as I have edited it to make all the missed subject sentences easier to read so that you do not mix up my words again.
Post another notice on ].--] 17:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


Jadger, if your ancestry is from the Palatinate, doesn't mean you can't be Prussian. Being Prussian is about the way you think. My intentions were to make friends with you, but I guess it flew right over head. I took an effort to make that emblem as a sign of Peace, you decided it was an excuse to take aggressive steps towards me (snitching and crying to the admins). Fine! Another reason you should consider yourself Prussian. If you can think of an emblem you would like this time, let me know, because I still want to be friends. I will make a new one, NOT post it on your page but in MY gallery of bumper stickers, where you can take it from, if you like it. Although judging by your recent actions you will probably rat on me again and histerically cry about yet another PA. Either way - Happy Editing - your wanna-be friend ] 13:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
I would gladly cooperate with someone that calls me an idiot or a moron, because the fact that they need my help shows who the actual idiot/moron is. Why would an intelligent person need the help of an idiot? unless they themselves were unintelligent. As for your not being a nationalist, I dont care if you are not one, but your edits say otherwise, perhaps you should not act like a nationalist if you are not one.
:As do many Polish people, you associate Prussian with negative traits. "''I took an effort to make that emblem as a sign of Peace, you decided it was an excuse to take aggressive steps towards me (snitching and crying to the admins). Fine! Another reason you should consider yourself Prussian.''" Please realise that when your actions are open to interpretation, you cannot seriously believe to get a more satisfactory response than you gave to him: "you're playing dumb or ignorant (which we both know you're not)". If you really want to be his friend, just take back comments like or do you really think anyone would buy that you wanted to be his friend shortly after proclaiming that you disapprove of ALL he does, without having changed your mind? Against this background your alleged attempt to make friends with him appears sarcastic instead of conciliatory. And don't just continue what people certainly perceive as overstepping WP:CIV ("''snitching and crying to the admins''", "''you will probably rat on me again and hysterically cry about yet another PA''", "''So my analogy kinda went way over your head, huh? I overestimated you, deepest apologies''", "''so do I have freedom to consider your offensive comments a PA also, and send them to hell, where they came from.''", "''So stop your drama about me deleting your crap and stuff it''", "''Get it? I know you do. Now just act like appropriately. Thank you.''"). ] 16:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
--] 19:01, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


Well, I wanna be his friend AND I don't want to have to take anything back. Unconditonal friendship! Example: he never took back anything he said to me or about me, yet I took the initiative and made the first step towards Peace. Now I'm being chastized for it. Most German people "associate Prussian with negative traits" as does most of the rest of the world AFAIK. Anyway Sciurinæ, my friend, thanks for trying. ] 00:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
== Use {{tl|fact}} ==
Please use the above tag before removing information. Than, if no refs are provided for several day, you cna remove the info - but give people a chance to provide the refs first.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 18:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


is vandalism: you have removed a reference. Please don't make such edits in the future, or you may be penalized for vandalising Misplaced Pages.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 21:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
==Response to POV accusations==
:: Wow interesting, evaluating ] "contributions" like these - , , , and etc etc. So Piotrus, by your formulation you are vandalizing too, no? It would be additional information to your RFC ]. ] 14:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
None of my article isn't POV, and everything I wrote was written according to wikipedia NPOV policy. I gave you list of literature about Medak Pocket; from Višnja Strešina, Mate Granić, Hrvoje Šarinić, etc... You should read any Croatian book which is talking about Croatian Homeland war, and (as they are qouting government officials, and as there is no new version of actual government, that should be takken as official. Also I noticed that you used pronoun we "as we do not have time here to correct your POV edits here". I did not know that you are a spoksmen of so large group?:) Please try to stick to theme, and not accuse somebody of something when you run out of proofs.
::: Good luck, M.K. Maybe if you try harder you will finally get a neutral editor to see your point of view. If they are sufficiently out of touch with reality to take your words for granted without following the links and looking at your misdirections in more details. I'd assume sooner or later you will find a naive soul who agrees with you, so don't loose spirit! Seriously, if you continue your slander, you may find Misplaced Pages has rules against it. Your friend Ghirlandajo did, to his suprise...--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 15:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
--] 18:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
:::: Every time I read Prokonsul's Piotrus (P.P.) such "comments" I am being shocked. P.P. could you elaborate what do you have in mid saying ''try harder you will finally get a neutral editor to see your point of view'' and ''sooner or later you will find a naive soul who agrees with you''. Do ], the number 8 editor in whole wikipedia, , or the another admin ] identified continues P.P. misconducts , ; or mediator who warned not to push POV ; or other contributors, who clearly stated that you using Civility issues to deal with your opponents . Or you going to deny that you removed refs? I ask you a question, because you formulated definition about contributors, who deletes refs, as vandals; you deleted refs too. ''Seriously, if you continue your slander, you may find Misplaced Pages has rules against it.'' do I hear a threat? I would not be surprised, knowing your long credit of "prognosis" . And btw, . I urge you to stop accusing contributors of vandalism, harassment etc., and you should apologize ] for your causations. ] 11:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC) P.s. ] is present again


:No, it isn't. Vandalism is "''any addition, removal, or change of content made in a <u>'''deliberate attempt''' to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages</u>''" (emphasis added). Of course it's not the removal of a source in general. Therefore you won't find "removing of a source" in the definition at WP:VAND. Statements behind which there is a source can still be inappropriate (doesn't fit the context, unreliable source, assertion that a POV among several different is true etc). Or the statement may not even be based on the source. An extreme hypothetical example: "God exists and his son is Jesus" in the lead section of the article, say, "Salamander". By your definition it would be vandalism to remove it. If you read the edit summary, you'll see that Jadger said he thought that "''that source says nothing about this battle, and nothing about human shields''". Especially in content disputes it is essential to recognise that "apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Misplaced Pages." Even Space Cadet's strange meddling with Jadger's userpage is not necessarily vandalism. This shouldn't be continued on Jadger's talk page. If you're still not convinced, Piotrus, you can post a thread on the talk page of WP:VAND, which I've now added to my watchlist. ] 03:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
you are correct, none of your article isn't POV, which in case you did not realize it, is a double negative and just another way of saying you are POV pusher.


== Welcome to WikiProject Germany ==
Again your english is severely lacking, as "we" does not signify a large group, only more then one, which it does as I am not the only one who has tried to stop your POV pushing.
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==Vandal==
--] 03:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
I have been accused of being a vandal on ] due to past editing disputes with yourself, or other being involved in ways with yourself. Since you have been mentioned, i'd like to ask if you could please comment on the mentioned report, Thanks much. -- ] <small>(])</small> 15:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Wow, how clever are you! You speak as king of France, I'm sorry your royal highness, I will call you in majority for now one (this is sarcasam, and proper use of "we" if you did not understand it:). If you have spoken in the name of the grop, then I think it is aproprite that you list those in wich name you have said something.
As for POV accusation, you are qouting over and over statments from Canadian soldier (which were accused that they are POV) or sorces that are qouting their statments. Hello?
For list of litereture, I gave it few times(not all of it, but parts off), just to qoute myself;
"For french peacekeepers I recomend you reading Višnja Starešina books Balkan's Labaratory and Hague's formula. I don't know if you can buy it in Canda"
"From Višnja Starešina; Formula Haag, Labaratory Balkan, are the ones I read."
see
I'm sorry to notice, but now when you've run out of facts you are trying to change the subject. I'm not, nor will ever be spokesment of Croatian goverment, but, unlike you I am in position to read the litterature wich is published in Croatia. Please inform yourself more about Croatian politics and books regarding that subject if you want to start that discoussion. I've given you a lot of literature. Start reading for a change.
--] 13:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


== Re:Serafin ==


Thanks for the update. I have blocked both of the IPs in question for one week and made a report at ] to determine what else we might do. And about my username: yes, it's unfortunate... I'm Californian, not German, but no doubt that will mean little to Serafin. Well, I'll just see what the community has to say about him on the noticeboard. ] 08:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
WTF are you talking about? I '''NEVER''' quoted Canadian soldiers, I quoted the UN article and the DND (department of national defense) page on the PPCLI, never once did I quote a POV person, I have only quoted from knowledgeable and credible groups that are respected the world over.
:Hey, Jadger, when you have concerns about Serafin, could you bring them to ] instead of to my talk page? It's better to put stuff like that in a central location so multiple admins can see it. I'm actually on wikibreak right now (just stopped in long enough to post this message for you) and probably won't be attending to checking up on Serafin for a while. So, there you go. Keep up the good work. ] 22:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


== Tulkolahten ==
Now that I have run out of facts? I still have many more left, and atleast I started with facts and concrete proof, you on the other hand have only spouted hateful gibberish the whole time.


Hello Jadger, could it be that Tulkolahten and Richard is one and the same person? Because I asked Richard on his talk site and Tulkolahten is answering. At least it seems that he is his spokesman... ] 12:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
and yet again you do not properly cite a "source" so I cannot look it up properly. learn how to cite something instead of just spouting of random words pretending they are titles, or else someone can say that The Grimm fairy tale books contain proof that pigs can fly.


== Just a curiosity ==
--] 07:12, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


You wrote:
You qouted statmens from sources that are based only on experience of Canadian soldiers (UN report is an exception).
:''personally, I think Reich is better translated as "realm" or "dominion/domain" for instance, the word Königreich means kingdom, but using the translation of reich that means "king's empire" which makes no sense as the ruler of an empire is an emperor, not a king. So make what you want from this, perhaps this could help with creating a different title of some sort --Jadger 07:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)


One of the wonderfull things about English is in the words of Lewis Carrol's Humpty Dumpty ''"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."''
I'd like to hear that facts of yours. I'd also like you to answer to my questions, which were given to you.


In English ] is by act of Parliament an imperial crown! (see ]) So the British monarch is an emperor but is titled king ('']'')! --] 13:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
As for the sources, I've told you I'm going to look for them up. I have to go to library, and check it out. It would be stupid to give you some frase from my memory... And you asked me to prove that the story on Croatian version is official opinion of Croatian goverment. If you want to se if that story is true or not try reading Međimurec article. I've told you only I'll give you qoutations from goverment officials (or persons which were goverment officials) that that story is true.
--] 14:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


== Re:206.117.32.31 ==
::By the way, Jadger, a template on your user page is a "double negative" too: "This pilot doesn't need no stinkin' engine, thank you very much!" ]]] 12:59, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


No idea if that's our friend Serafin, but, at any rate, that IP is now blocked for vandalism, so I don't think it matters too much. Cheers, ] 03:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
==Blanking on ] page==


:FYI, I removed your recent comments at ]. This was "collateral damage" in the removal of comments posted by the blocked user Serafin; it would seem odd to me to include your comments to him while removing his. As you noted, having other users respond to him on talk pages only validates his actions, and I consider it a good idea to revert all future edits by him until he realizes he must wait for his block to expire. ] 04:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
(Blanking warning removed) ] 03:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


== 3RR block ==
I did so, you might want to look at the talk page for once.


Hi, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at ] and have been blocked for 24 hours. Please use the time to review the ]. Many thanks, ] ] 10:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
--] 18:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
:Jadger, after looking at it in more detail it does look like this issue would have been better settled by the people who know the issues in detail. The particular reasons I interpreted this as vandalism were: 1) there was an active debate around the issue on the discussion page and at the same time (which on a second reading I recognize is more of a consensus toward removing the quote) 2) the deletion of what seemed to be valid and relevant content still under discussion without a 'see talk' notice in the summary 3) a warning on your talk page for deleting comments from the same page which made it sound like a revert war and 4) I've seen a rash of POV deletions that minimize or ignore killings of ethnic minorities. ] 03:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)


Piotrus violated the 3RR just as much as I did, but I did not start an edit war, or as in Piotrus's case, a number of edit wars. if you will read the talk page, the version he created is explicitly stated as unnacceptable on the talk page as a consensus was builtup months ago. Also, before I make edits to this controversial article I try to discuss on the talk page first, but every time I do, I ask "does anyone have a problem with this edit?" and no one responds. Piotrus makes a point of ignoring me when he can't make a good argument against what I have said.
==Evolution==
So you doubt the teory of evolution? Hm, that would explain why you are always stuck in the same place:) WASP creacionist which hates Seinfield?
] 03:19, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
This was a joke, not an insault. Theory of evolution does not have nothing with religion (or a least it should not have). It is just a well argumented theory of devolopment of life on Earth. It does not speaks about god, creation, etc but it is just trying to explain how many things came to be. You are right that it has some gaps (for example primamry creation of life, early chemical processes which led to it), but as a theory it does not denies existance of God. Why would almity being needed to create a miracle, when it can just pair few mothers and fathers create a mutation which helps that specices to better adapt to its enviroment?
] 10:30, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


so I get punished for trying to get people to discuss controversial edits on the talk page first (AKA follow wikipedia policy)? geez, my favourite word on wikipedia lately has been hypocrisy, it is plain to see why.


--] 14:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
== No revert wars ==
Please do not change the Expulsion article until someone else joins the discussion. I acknowledge the fact that you are for sure some kind of pro-german or german nationalist, do respect the Misplaced Pages rules anyway. ] 22:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


== Concentration camps ==


'''this block was lifted because it was rather unfairly represented, thank you ] for following up on your decisions and working with simple users.'''
From Concentration camps:Talk


--] 00:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Soviet Camps


== Fahrenheit ==
why is it that Soviet camps are described in the first line of the article, but '''nothing else''' is stated after that? I have been trying to find out information on German WWII POWS and can find absolutely none on wikipedia. I know there is loads of information on the topic out there, but it is nowhere on wikipedia. I give one big WTF to wikipedia, so much for it being a source of knowledge. I dont know how such a huge website with information about everything on non-importance can miss such a huge section.
What personal attacks are you talking about? This:? ] 13:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


"yes, when you say "rv" (Revert Vandalism) in an edit summary, when a edit is not vandalism, that is a personal attack
--] 04:52, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


--] 01:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)"
:At the time you posted your comment, the article had been vandalised and the section on "Russia and the Soviet Union" deleted. It was reinstated shortly afterwards. ] 13:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


I've been here for 6 years, so let me educate you - "rv" means "revert" and "rvv" means "revert vandalism". Are you paranoid or something?
== English knowledge ==


Also, I guess R9's phrase "No no no , you wont be injecting your fascist propoganda into the truth today" was NOT a personal attack. After all, Germans never do that.
If I said that I speak at near-native level, that doesn't have to mean that I'm excellent with expressions that belong to certain profession. Neither all native English speakers are excellent with knowledge of these expressions. ] 14:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


Another thing: is "a edit" typical for so called "Canadian English"? Maybe you should start a Canadian English Misplaced Pages?
Grammar and spelling? Strange, you're the first person who told me that. Can you tell me which lines brought you to such conclusions?] 21:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


Peace, ] 10:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
==why do you remove pertinent information?==
Because It is unrelated to the topic of Germanisation.
--] 16:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)


Hi Jadger, I completely agree with you on the Stutthof issue as reflected in my edit:.
==]==
As you can see I wrote: Schopenhauer was born in 1788 in ] (Sztutowo) in the ''']''', near ], (Gdańsk) in ''']''').<br>
Since you like this image, please note it is considered for deletion.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]]</span></sub> 14:30, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Listen, I came up with some Coats of Arms of a Canadian Palatinatian. This time though, I know better than to upload them, but I will if you want. Peace. ] 13:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


I found the border! Sztutowo was hardly a border town. Very close to Vistula Bay, but not directly on it. And closer to Elbląg or Malbork than to Gdańsk! I'll make the appropriate changes. ] 15:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
==]==
Hi there. Despite a whopping victory for the name ] on the previous vote, the Polish users have got upset and called yet another vote. They want to get it moved back to the old unpopular name ]. If you are interested in stopping this, you'll need to cast your vote again. Sorry for all this tediousness. Regards, '''] ('']'')''' 03:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


== Polish war == == Historical Eastern Germany ==
I think you'll be quite interested in this:]. -- ] <small>(])</small> 04:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


==Lake Nipigon==
Hi there. I took the liberty to remove of your comment from the list. The discussion section is below, no need to start a discussion in every section. Feel free to revert me, though I believe a better option would be to stick to arguments, not to dispute them everywhere. What do you say? ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 15:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Re your email, see ]. We fished a lake west of it called Circle Lake. ] 00:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
:I already wrote that I prefer the current version to avoid redirects or piping, but I consider this a minor issue and I don't intend to change any names I see in the text either way. It's just as trying to argue that we should eliminate all ] redirects and replace them with ].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]|]</span></sub> 20:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)


== Please check out ] ==
== Extermination through labour ==


This is an article that was screaming out to be written and I got tired of waiting for a consensus to form around a new title for ]. Please check it out and give me your feedback or ] and just edit the article directly. Thanx.
I kindly ask you to remove the slanderous remark from ]. It's neither fair nor true, as I'm acting in line with ]. If you think otherwise please provide some diffs pointing to such behaviour you accuse me of, but I believe removal of the said remark would be a much better option. Thanks in advance. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 06:21, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
:You stated that I have ''been in the mood lately that he thinks he can state anything he likes and everyone else must provide references to remove it'', which is a shameless lie. I never said anything like it nor did I even suggest anything like it. On one occasion I simply pointed to the fact that published sources are more valuable than your own beliefs, but that is a different thing as it's perfectly in line with ]. So, in other words, you accused me of things I neither did nor said, and the only reason for that I could think of is ]. So please be so kind as to reword that statement so that it did not tarnish my good name. Thank you. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 12:21, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
:::You want link? you go. There's not even a slightest mention of your fantasies there. However, given your stance so far I will remove the remark myself as per the ]. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 19:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


--] 07:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, call me names... I made no statements similar to the ones you accuse me of anywhere in Misplaced Pages. You must know it yourself since it's you to invent them. However, since you asked me for a link to the place where I '''did not''' say the things you accuse me of, then here you go. You want another link? Why not, ] - I did not said the things you accuse me of here either. ], ] and ]. Nowhere means in no place in particular.
::You claim that I have been in certain mood. It's great you know better how I feel, but I'd appreciate it if you focused on your own problems. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 01:06, 15 August 2006 (UTC)


==Battle of Hel==
:::Yeah, my English is getting worse. What does ''my problem is your POV pushing'' mean? Does it mean that you have a problem with statements you invent and then put into my mouth? ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 06:32, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Can you explain difference between capitulation of Westerplatte or Modlin and capitulation of Hel? Result of all these battles are equal so change Hel back to capitulation or change Westerplatte and Modlin to German victory. ] 20:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:If standard says ''defeat'', ''undecided'' or ''victory'' solutions only, I agree with your changes. But personally I see difference between ''defeat'' or ''victory'' in field and ''capitulation'' of garrisons. --] 13:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
::As I said earlier - I see difference between victory in field and capitulation of garrison, doesn't matter Polish or another. Of course in both cases one side wins but I still see difference.
::What to do with garrison defending till the end of the war? Did German forces lost in Courland in May 1945? Yes. Was it victory for Russians? From your POV yes, from my POV it was German capitulation because Russians were not able to win in field. In both cases it's our POV, not NPOV ;o) --] 17:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm not talking about Battle of Hel but about fourth result of battle - ''capitulation''. First three are ''battle won'', ''battle lost'', ''undecided''. You can't say about some battles that were won, sometimes one side loose but second doesn't win. And no, I'm not going to change result of Battle of Hel. --] 07:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


== Heraldry==
::Then perhaps you could tell me why do you believe black people should be exterminated? ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 12:26, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
] ] ] 00:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


==D-PL==
The above is a rather childish insult on behalf of Halibutt, not to mention a logical fallacy called "begging the question"
You may be interested in:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,471777,00.html


--] 21:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC) ] 03:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


::But that's the very same tactics you use... And it's childish when others use it, but mature when used by Jadger, right? ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 21:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


== German World Alliance ==
:::I did point out your "errors" above and '''kindly''' asked you to correct them. I also provided a link, but again. However, you declined and repeatedly insisted on keeping the personal attack visible to others. In that light your remark at my talk page is a tad two-faced, don't you think? Anyway, if it really is a tit-for-tat, then should I consider myself excused if I slander you the way you do? Or perhaps you're the only person in the entire wiki who should be able to do that? ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 21:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


Hello Jadger,
:: Indeed, I agree that it reflects badly upon me when I sink to your level. However, I have to defend my good name, you're apparently trying to slander/libel/whatever. I don't know what is the reason for that, perhaps some personal animosity or anything. I don't know and I don't care. I asked you to stay civil and remove the lies you spread. To no avail.
:: You pointed to a citation in which I paraphrased the ]. However, you failed to provide citations for your accusation that ''I've been in the mood'' (lie), that I ''think I can state anything I like'' (lie), that ''everyone else must provide references to remove it'' (shameless lie). Nor did you provide any proof that ''if you don't cite anything that says that it didn't happen, well he reverts you''. It's a pack of lies, nothing more. Or perhaps you can find citations for that, just like you're finding a wiki rule prohibiting us from using various named for the same phenomenon?
:: On a personal note, I wonder whether you've ever written any wikipedia article. From your list of contributions it seems that all you do is either spread German WWII views, nitpick or change single words to a large number of articles. Or perhaps you did under your previous name? Interestingly, your in wikipedia seems informative as well. ''<font color="#901">//</font>'']] 22:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


do you know http://www.germanworldalliance.org/?
==Hello==


Greetings ] 01:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello, Jadger. You look strikingly like Frederick the Great!
==WP Munich==
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==WP Munich membership==
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Inactive means you don't participate at all. Active members will do a lot of Munich-related edits (not necissarily every single one). Semi-active is more about doing some Munich-related editing. I hope you weren't offended about this. It's just a way to see which users are really interested in the project. ] 16:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
== NPA ==



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I've put a To-Do list on the main page of Misplaced Pages. ] 20:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Your note ==

Done. :-) ] ] 01:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wikiproject Prussia ==

Grüß Gott! I've just joined up as a wikipedia user and I'm interested in helping out over at Wikiproject Prussia and Wikiproject Germany, and I figured the best way to get involved was to contact someone already involved in them. How do I get involved and how can I help out?
Mit Freundlichen Grüßen,
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== ] ==
Hi Jadger, I changed my vote, I am really not sure where I saw the information. I did not know the name German Soldier's House before, so it is possibly a nn thing or a hoax.--] 20:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

== Thanks for your comments on my editor review ==

I know that it's been over a month since you left those comments and I don't know how it is that I didn't see them until last Friday but I didn't. I was away on vacation over the weekend so this is the first real opportunity that I've had to thank you. There is still a lot of work to do on the articles related to the expulsion of Germans after WWII. The back-and-forth sniping and biting slows down the work but we are making slow and steady progress. Hang in there.

--] 05:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
==brothels==
New to me, thanks--though I notice most of t he documentation was from Ravensbrück, which makes a certain amount of sense. Typically, there is a level of metabolism below which men cannot have an erection ''']''' 19:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

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==RE:what do you mean no it isnt==

"What I meant is the half of Frankfurt an der Oder now in Poland was not polish in the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire borders where farther east for a long time, see

--] 23:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)"

Yeah I know, but at the same time Olsztyn was Polish until 1772. So in my opinion we have to reword the sentence a bit, so it's not misleading. Also, Holy Roman Empire does not necessarily have to mean - Germany. Polish dukes ruled in areas of Recovered Territories longer than 13th century. Polish King's brother - Sigismundus (who later became the king himself; known today as ]) - ruled Silesia from Wrocław in 16th century. Happy we can talk about it peacefully again - ] 11:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism on AC Milan Page ==

Your comments were not needed and I'm very sadden that an editor who has added so much to Misplaced Pages would go and do such a thing. ] 12:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:YOu seriously believe that "Milan is best known worldwide for cheating and ]. " at the start of an article isn't vandalism or at least a complete bias and opinionated edit ? ] 18:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::Do you even know what Misplaced Pages is about. It is obvious that you are a Bayern Munich fan and that you are doing this as some sort of petty retribution. Clear bias has been shown here. This is very poor from an editor who has made as many edits as yourself. ] 11:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Please desist in your edits. A concencus has been reached on ] that your edits are poor and bias. If you revert again you will be breaking the 3 revert rule. ] 08:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

==ArbCom/Piotrus==

Case has been started, probably you will be interested:
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==Need Help==

I would like to direct your attention upon ] and ], but also upon ]. As a contributor I am just fixing my pants. Certainly, I need somebody correcting my clumsy English. I guess you are the right one to do so! If I was right, please, feel free to leave me a message.

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== Your User Page ==

Good catch on the Nemmersdorf Massacre article. I do not know how that passage escaped me. Always reading over it, and getting it into my brain as telegram language, I suppose.

You really must do something about the vandal on your user page. The number of people who has reverted him is growing all the time. The reason why I am telling you is very simple (it recently crossed my mind, but please do not think that I believe it!): if you do not, some people will start to think the vandal is YOU, trying to find out who is following your pages. You could ask an admin or mention it at ]. Keep up the good work! --] 20:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

:Nah, sorry but you're way off base, Pan Gerwazy. We pretty much know who the vandal is. It is banned user Andrew ] but there's not much we can do about it since he seems to have access to an effectively unlimited set of IP addresses, all in the range 131.x.x.x. I suppose we could try to figure out who his ISP is but, so far, nobody has gone to the effort of doing so.

:--] 21:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

inetnum: 131.0.0.0 - 131.255.255.255
netname: EU-ZZ-131
descr: Various Registries
country: EU # Country is really world wide
remarks: These addresses were issued by
The IANA before the formation of
Regional Internet Registries.
status: ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED "status:" definitions

--]<sup>]</sup> 21:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

::Sorry, I do not understand. I see no 131.x.x.x adresses used by this vandal that fall outside 131.104.x.x. I agree the vandal is almost certainly Seraphin, but Seraphin's sockpuppets also have 131.104.x.x. only among 131.x.x.x. The sockpuppet IP which Seraphin claimed himself on his talk page (131.104.218.123) is not even in that list. According to WHOIS, 131.104.x.x is Guelph University, Canada (add suspicion with most of the IP numbers that the vandal uses, that the guy is actually in Michigan, USA -) If you read my message carefully, you will see I do not believe that Jadger would do this thing and I had no inclination to mention why someone may think so. I will stop following his user page. --] 22:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


==Goderich Pirates==
If you want to add a note about the mascot, just add it to the body of the article. The infobox is not set up for a mascot input. ] 02:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if adding a mascot section to a Junior/Senior hockey infobox is a good idea. To be honest... I'm worried about clutter... as well as the fact that I myself played Junior hockey and only ran into one team ever that had a mascot... the Walkerton Hawks... I played for the Mount Forest Patriots and Durham Huskies... and we played against Kincardine, Wingham, Lakeshore, Walkerton, Hanover, Wiarton, and exhibition against a variety of teams in Jr. C... as well. I also spent a pre-season with the Alliston Hornets in the GMO... never saw anything mascot-wise in that league.... and in Jr. A I played against Stouffville, Collingwood, Parry Sound, North York, Wexford, Burlington, Couchiching, Huntsville, Newmarket, amongst others and never saw any there. I played some for the Strathroy Rockets in the WOHL... didn't see any there either.... The point I am trying to make is... I played junior with and against probably 40-50 teams and only once did I ever see a mascot. I would suggest adding it in the introductory section right after where the league is mentioned, and if you want you can even talk about the arena, maybe some team history.... so forth.... maybe the original Goderich Pirates from the 80s and early 90s would be good? ] 09:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed|1=I feel your block of me is unfair for a number of reasons. This is in reference to the Gleiwitz Incident article

a)it has not been 3 users, it was 2 users, both of whom are notorious for editwarring, Piotrus even had an ArbCom started against him he is so bad at it. b)If you will take a look at my individual edits, not all are alike, I changed the subject of the sentence in question, and added 3 or 4 different references, I was not reverting, as a revert implies that I did not change the content of the edits, however, Piotrus and Balcer did not change the content and instead reverted, each more than the 3RR allows. c)If I am to be blocked, so should they, as I was editting to the version before PP came along started deleting references.

All I'm asking for is equality, if I am being blocked for the 3RR, so should they, as they have both clearly broken it.


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==Bayern uniform==
I think it is correct. ] 21:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure hot to delete that. ] 03:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

== Turkey ==
I was only kidding, of course. Big deal, happens to anybody. Please come back. Our community needs you. Your self-contradicting friend ] 22:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you back! ] (]) 14:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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== your post in invasion of poland ==

Hi
I found this on discussion page by you:

# it was not a defensive war, as Poland indeed attacked German positions and attempted an offensive at Battle of Bzura calling it a "defensive war" is ludicrous, or else we should rename all war articles to "____ defensive war", the blank being filled in by whatever nation declared war second, for instance the Franco-Prussian War would be renamed prussian defensive war.--Jadger 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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Well, in that situation, there would never be a ''defensive'' war. An offensive against the advancing invading army makes it not a defensive war any more? I think not. ] (]) 00:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

==About you==

You know, you should just come out and say it. You hate Poles and thought that Hitler had the right idea. Now go cry in the corner, masturbating to German porn, while telling yourself that you are the master race. Because if you honestly think that the invasion of Poland was anything but German aggression, masturbating is all you have left going for you in life. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Bayern ==

Well done to Bayern tonight. Don't go fucking about with the Inter article like you did when Bayern lost to Milan the last time out. Accept your defeat and move on. ] (]) 20:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

Thanks for the Christmas wishes, and Happy New Year to you ! --Lysy 15:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Bayern/Urawa

Actually, "don't delete information unless you can prove it is wrong" is exactly opposite of the Misplaced Pages policy, (see #2 and #3 at the top of WP:V). Had it been cited correctly, or even mentioned on the FC Bayern Munich article, it would not have been deleted. Thanks for adding the citation. Neier 02:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk: Jan Dzierżon

... I can't believe this, it was you who cast accusations of revisionim (not toward me yet)? LOL. Observe poor logic of your answer. I did not claim he was Polish, did I (in that case your message and Kaliningrad example could be relevant). Actually, I have more complex views. I indicated that Poles did consider him Polish (as you looked like ingnorant to that). And let me rephrase your post in my talk that basically says Poles (or commies) considered him Pole because he was famous. Terrible as argument.
As for Dzierzon, you may want to realize his self-identification. If this discussion really concerns him and you have some constructive input, let's move to the relevant talk page. Otherwise EOT. --Beaumont (@) 22:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

response to FYI

Frankly, I'm rather disgusted with what's going on at Dzierzon's article. He was a good example of how for many people ethnic origin was not the most important thing, and that being a Poles and Germans could collaborate instead of fighting each other. And now we have the (mostly anonymous) warriors, trying to push that he was German or Polish. How counter-productive and counter-factual. --Lysy 01:02, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes I wish anon users were banned from editing articles. This one is particularly frustrating, not only because of the idle debate, but also because it could be such a positive example, that's been turned into a silly warzone instead. What I (and I think you too) am trying to do is to guard the consensus version, but I can see how unstable it is. --Lysy 01:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The same for the Recovered Territories. While I'm aware it's far from perfect, I don't want to see it made any worse than it is now, either way. --Lysy 01:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Nicolaus Copernicus

This article has been receiving a lot of hits today. I am having problems keeping up with it because many of my other articles are also getting hit. I know that basics about Nicolaus Copernicus but not enough to fully proof the article. One IP broke a lot of the links by inserting extra brackets. Looks like your last edit cleaned some. Ronbo76 00:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

BTW, if you look at my talkpage, it appears a user who disagreed with one of my reverse edits, may be using multiple IPs or has a sockpuppet. It is the last item called "Link on Copernicus". One person signed it, Andrew, and the other is by an anonymous unsigned IP that I did not leave a citation on. Ronbo76 01:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Looks like a new user, user:Arudra, has begun edits to this article. He is reversing some edits. Ronbo76 02:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

re: vandal

I looked at it, and he's been blocked by another admin already. Let me know if you need any help in the future. That Nazi/"you will be watched" summary would have gotten an immediate block from me. Cheers, Fang Aili 00:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I took another look -- everyone you listed except 131.104.218.46 has been blocked. I can keep an eye on that IP address. FYI, I can't do a Checkuser on logged-in people; only a few people have access to that. (I'm not sure how people could have such disparate IP addresses as 131 and 207, but then again, I'm no expert.) I'll keep an eye on Copernicus as well. --Fang Aili 14:24, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Three-revert rule

Hi there! I am going to make a nice, friendly request that you stay away from Copernicus and anything that vandal touches for a while. No offense intended, you seem to have decided to stayed away from it already but you exceeded 3 reverts on most of the pages. Just wanted to warn you that anymore reverts and you face a possibility of being blocked. Cheers, Philip Gronowski 04:43, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism

I noticed you were reverting added tags {{POV-check}} and {{unreferenced|date=December 2006}} by 207.245.84.70. Although I understand why you did it just take care someone may think you're a vandal, because this is not a vandalism - any editor can express feelings that page needs POV-check and that is unreferenced. Happy editing. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 09:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Userbox

I created you the userbox This user is interested in Central Europe history hope you'll enjoy it. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 09:55, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I recreated it to be more unique {{user Central Europe}}
This user is interested in Central European history.




≈Tulkolahten≈ 18:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Actually the celtic cross is the best one - neutral and catches whole central europe. See celtic tribes in central europe Image:Celts_800-400BC.PNG green area is tribes around 1000 B.C. It's hard to find something purely related to the central europe region. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 05:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't think anyone can think that celtic cross is a neo-nazi symbol, afaik they use svástika and cross must be equilateral. But I changed it to Jan Hus picture, good idea. ≈Tulkolahten≈ 06:57, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

User:LUCPOL

I just want to ask you if you would be willing to help me stop User:LUCPOLs wikipedia propagandist and compulsive lieing spree, ive made a report but im not yet finished....here it is User:R9tgokunks\User:LUCPOL-- Hrödberäht 06:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II

Hi, please don't get me wrong, but I think you might appreciate the notice that this edit is on a verge of personal attack. Or it's unnecessarily aggressive and rude at least. I'm sure you will know it's not my intention to patronize you, but maybe such tone would be better avoided in discussing the already very delicate topic. Cheers. --Lysy 05:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm fine with that but the aggressive tone might aggravate others if this escalates and we would not want another trench war there, would we. I just wanted to make sure you're aware of this. Just consider this a friendly remark, nothing more. Thanks. --Lysy 05:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Prussia

I think you might be interested in Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Prussia, if you aren't already a patron. -- Hrödberäht 01:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

IP templates

When listing user IPs, the following two templates can be useful: Template:IPUser and Template:User5. For IP "86.27.64.149", which was recently listed on WP:AN3RR, the templates would list:

FYI, Olessi 18:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to be of assistance. IMO, you should tone down your criticism of Tulkolahten at the expulsions page (as he should of you). Rhetoric and personal attacks by either side aren't going to help the situation, but will only make things matters worse. Olessi 20:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Draft

User:Jadger/draft_expulsions

--Jadger 22:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Jadger/Expulsion

Thanks for the note. I'm travelling, and accessing the net with my mobile, so my activity is quite limited for the next couple of days still. --Lysy 15:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

re: your message

I apologize, but I have a lot going on IRL and do not have the energy to get involved in a dispute right now. I suggest you post to an appropriate subpage of WP:AN and someone there will help you. Thanks and good luck, Fang Aili 17:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Your note

I did not offend you. In at least two cases you have removed a valid reference and then some more text - claiming it's unreferenced. Well, if it wasn't for your actions the remarks would've been referenced, just like they were before. So, in other words, your actions perfectly fit the definition of vandalism. Whether you feel offended by the word or not is really not of my business, is it. However, if you're not offended by your actions, how come you feel offended when someone calls them by their name?

Anyway, I saw your recent counter-productive spree and I'd like to point out that I did not revert all of your changes. In situations where you did any (I mean any) improvement of the earlier version along with promotion of the other name, I left them as they were. However, in situations where you simply changed a word or two just for the sake of it, I reverted to the stable version. //Halibutt 22:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

re:jadger

please, I would like to ask you to stop personally attacking me, as calling my edits "vandalism" does. I am also curious as to what in them constitutes vandalism? is it the removal of POV? or using the same name for an article as the article is titled? or maybe it is the removal of false citations in non-english languages that are represented to say something that they in reality do not?

--Jadger 03:28, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

No, no, no - it's more about INSERTING biased POV, false claims, admiration for the FRITZ and his passed away since XIX century state, which shows in ALL your edits, destructive actions whose only purpose is to create chaos, your edit wars, your playing dumb or ignorant (which we both know you're not) whenever convenient etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on. Happy Valentine's Day! Space Cadet 03:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I hope you like it.
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Friends?
Space Cadet 14:15, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

If it continues

Post another notice on WP:AN/I.--Isotope23 17:16, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Jadger, if your ancestry is from the Palatinate, doesn't mean you can't be Prussian. Being Prussian is about the way you think. My intentions were to make friends with you, but I guess it flew right over head. I took an effort to make that emblem as a sign of Peace, you decided it was an excuse to take aggressive steps towards me (snitching and crying to the admins). Fine! Another reason you should consider yourself Prussian. If you can think of an emblem you would like this time, let me know, because I still want to be friends. I will make a new one, NOT post it on your page but in MY gallery of bumper stickers, where you can take it from, if you like it. Although judging by your recent actions you will probably rat on me again and histerically cry about yet another PA. Either way - Happy Editing - your wanna-be friend Space Cadet 13:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

As do many Polish people, you associate Prussian with negative traits. "I took an effort to make that emblem as a sign of Peace, you decided it was an excuse to take aggressive steps towards me (snitching and crying to the admins). Fine! Another reason you should consider yourself Prussian." Please realise that when your actions are open to interpretation, you cannot seriously believe to get a more satisfactory response than you gave to him: "you're playing dumb or ignorant (which we both know you're not)". If you really want to be his friend, just take back comments like that or do you really think anyone would buy that you wanted to be his friend shortly after proclaiming that you disapprove of ALL he does, without having changed your mind? Against this background your alleged attempt to make friends with him appears sarcastic instead of conciliatory. And don't just continue what people certainly perceive as overstepping WP:CIV ("snitching and crying to the admins", "you will probably rat on me again and hysterically cry about yet another PA", "So my analogy kinda went way over your head, huh? I overestimated you, deepest apologies", "so do I have freedom to consider your offensive comments a PA also, and send them to hell, where they came from.", "So stop your drama about me deleting your crap and stuff it", "Get it? I know you do. Now just act like appropriately. Thank you."). Sciurinæ 16:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I wanna be his friend AND I don't want to have to take anything back. Unconditonal friendship! Example: he never took back anything he said to me or about me, yet I took the initiative and made the first step towards Peace. Now I'm being chastized for it. Most German people "associate Prussian with negative traits" as does most of the rest of the world AFAIK. Anyway Sciurinæ, my friend, thanks for trying. Space Cadet 00:06, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

This edit is vandalism: you have removed a reference. Please don't make such edits in the future, or you may be penalized for vandalising Misplaced Pages.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  21:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow interesting, evaluating user:Piotrus "contributions" like these - removal of referenced information and ref itself, removal directly referenced formulation, situation continues, removal of tags placed by mediator and etc etc. So Piotrus, by your formulation you are vandalizing too, no? It would be additional information to your RFC Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Piotrus. M.K. 14:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Good luck, M.K. Maybe if you try harder you will finally get a neutral editor to see your point of view. If they are sufficiently out of touch with reality to take your words for granted without following the links and looking at your misdirections in more details. I'd assume sooner or later you will find a naive soul who agrees with you, so don't loose spirit! Seriously, if you continue your slander, you may find Misplaced Pages has rules against it. Your friend Ghirlandajo did, to his suprise...-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  15:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Every time I read Prokonsul's Piotrus (P.P.) such "comments" I am being shocked. P.P. could you elaborate what do you have in mid saying try harder you will finally get a neutral editor to see your point of view and sooner or later you will find a naive soul who agrees with you. Do User:Mikkalai, the number 8 editor in whole wikipedia, is too "naive soul who agrees with you", because he suggested to suspend your admin power? - I suggest to suspend his amdin's rights to give him some time to refresh some basic rules of the game, or the another admin User:JzG identified continues P.P. misconducts as trolling, JzG is too naive soul??, ; or mediator who warned not to push POV yet another naive soul?; or other contributors, who clearly stated that you using Civility issues to deal with your opponents and yet again another soul?? . Or you going to deny that you removed refs? I ask you a question, because you formulated definition about contributors, who deletes refs, as vandals; you deleted refs too. Seriously, if you continue your slander, you may find Misplaced Pages has rules against it. do I hear a threat? I would not be surprised, knowing your long credit of "prognosis" . And btw, this replay is harassment?. I urge you to stop accusing contributors of vandalism, harassment etc., and you should apologize user:Jadger for your causations. M.K. 11:10, 15 February 2007 (UTC) P.s. user:Ghirlandajo is present again
No, it isn't. Vandalism is "any addition, removal, or change of content made in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Misplaced Pages" (emphasis added). Of course it's not the removal of a source in general. Therefore you won't find "removing of a source" in the definition at WP:VAND. Statements behind which there is a source can still be inappropriate (doesn't fit the context, unreliable source, assertion that a POV among several different is true etc). Or the statement may not even be based on the source. An extreme hypothetical example: "God exists and his son is Jesus" in the lead section of the article, say, "Salamander". By your definition it would be vandalism to remove it. If you read the edit summary, you'll see that Jadger said he thought that "that source says nothing about this battle, and nothing about human shields". Especially in content disputes it is essential to recognise that "apparent bad-faith edits that do not make their bad-faith nature inarguably explicit are not considered vandalism at Misplaced Pages." Even Space Cadet's strange meddling with Jadger's userpage is not necessarily vandalism. This shouldn't be continued on Jadger's talk page. If you're still not convinced, Piotrus, you can post a thread on the talk page of WP:VAND, which I've now added to my watchlist. Sciurinæ 03:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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Vandal

I have been accused of being a vandal on User:LUCPOL/Vandal:R9tgokunks due to past editing disputes with yourself, or other being involved in ways with yourself. Since you have been mentioned, i'd like to ask if you could please comment on the mentioned report, Thanks much. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 15:10, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Serafin

Thanks for the update. I have blocked both of the IPs in question for one week and made a report at WP:ANI to determine what else we might do. And about my username: yes, it's unfortunate... I'm Californian, not German, but no doubt that will mean little to Serafin. Well, I'll just see what the community has to say about him on the noticeboard. Heimstern Läufer 08:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Jadger, when you have concerns about Serafin, could you bring them to WP:ANI instead of to my talk page? It's better to put stuff like that in a central location so multiple admins can see it. I'm actually on wikibreak right now (just stopped in long enough to post this message for you) and probably won't be attending to checking up on Serafin for a while. So, there you go. Keep up the good work. Heimstern Läufer 22:09, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Tulkolahten

Hello Jadger, could it be that Tulkolahten and Richard is one and the same person? Because I asked Richard on his talk site and Tulkolahten is answering. At least it seems that he is his spokesman... Wikiferdi 12:47, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a curiosity

You wrote:

personally, I think Reich is better translated as "realm" or "dominion/domain" for instance, the word Königreich means kingdom, but using the translation of reich that means "king's empire" which makes no sense as the ruler of an empire is an emperor, not a king. So make what you want from this, perhaps this could help with creating a different title of some sort --Jadger 07:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

One of the wonderfull things about English is in the words of Lewis Carrol's Humpty Dumpty "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."

In English the (English) Crown is by act of Parliament an imperial crown! (see Imperial crown#Legal usage) So the British monarch is an emperor but is titled king (rex)! --Philip Baird Shearer 13:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:206.117.32.31

No idea if that's our friend Serafin, but, at any rate, that IP is now blocked for vandalism, so I don't think it matters too much. Cheers, Heimstern Läufer 03:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

FYI, I removed your recent comments at Talk:Expulsion of Germans after World War II. This was "collateral damage" in the removal of comments posted by the blocked user Serafin; it would seem odd to me to include your comments to him while removing his. As you noted, having other users respond to him on talk pages only validates his actions, and I consider it a good idea to revert all future edits by him until he realizes he must wait for his block to expire. Olessi 04:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

3RR block

Hi, you've been reported for a 3RR violation at Recovered Territories and have been blocked for 24 hours. Please use the time to review the 3RR policy. Many thanks, SlimVirgin 10:58, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Piotrus violated the 3RR just as much as I did, but I did not start an edit war, or as in Piotrus's case, a number of edit wars. if you will read the talk page, the version he created is explicitly stated as unnacceptable on the talk page as a consensus was builtup months ago. Also, before I make edits to this controversial article I try to discuss on the talk page first, but every time I do, I ask "does anyone have a problem with this edit?" and no one responds. Piotrus makes a point of ignoring me when he can't make a good argument against what I have said.

so I get punished for trying to get people to discuss controversial edits on the talk page first (AKA follow wikipedia policy)? geez, my favourite word on wikipedia lately has been hypocrisy, it is plain to see why.

--Jadger 14:15, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


this block was lifted because it was rather unfairly represented, thank you User:SlimVirgin for following up on your decisions and working with simple users.

--Jadger 00:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Fahrenheit

What personal attacks are you talking about? This:? Space Cadet 13:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

"yes, when you say "rv" (Revert Vandalism) in an edit summary, when a edit is not vandalism, that is a personal attack

--Jadger 01:02, 5 March 2007 (UTC)"

I've been here for 6 years, so let me educate you - "rv" means "revert" and "rvv" means "revert vandalism". Are you paranoid or something?

Also, I guess R9's phrase "No no no , you wont be injecting your fascist propoganda into the truth today" was NOT a personal attack. After all, Germans never do that.

Another thing: is "a edit" typical for so called "Canadian English"? Maybe you should start a Canadian English Misplaced Pages?

Peace, Space Cadet 10:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jadger, I completely agree with you on the Stutthof issue as reflected in my edit:. As you can see I wrote: Schopenhauer was born in 1788 in Stutthof (Sztutowo) in the Kingdom of Prussia, near Danzig, (Gdańsk) in Poland).
Listen, I came up with some Coats of Arms of a Canadian Palatinatian. This time though, I know better than to upload them, but I will if you want. Peace. Space Cadet 13:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I found the border! Sztutowo was hardly a border town. Very close to Vistula Bay, but not directly on it. And closer to Elbląg or Malbork than to Gdańsk! I'll make the appropriate changes. Space Cadet 15:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Historical Eastern Germany

I think you'll be quite interested in this:Talk:Historical_Eastern_Germany#Requested_move. -- Hrödberäht (gespräch) 04:26, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Lake Nipigon

Re your email, see Lake Nipigon. We fished a lake west of it called Circle Lake. Sca 00:54, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Please check out Territorial changes of Germany

This is an article that was screaming out to be written and I got tired of waiting for a consensus to form around a new title for Historical eastern Germany. Please check it out and give me your feedback or be bold and just edit the article directly. Thanx.

--Richard 07:57, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Battle of Hel

Can you explain difference between capitulation of Westerplatte or Modlin and capitulation of Hel? Result of all these battles are equal so change Hel back to capitulation or change Westerplatte and Modlin to German victory. Piotr Mikołajski 20:20, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

If standard says defeat, undecided or victory solutions only, I agree with your changes. But personally I see difference between defeat or victory in field and capitulation of garrisons. --Piotr Mikołajski 13:32, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
As I said earlier - I see difference between victory in field and capitulation of garrison, doesn't matter Polish or another. Of course in both cases one side wins but I still see difference.
What to do with garrison defending till the end of the war? Did German forces lost in Courland in May 1945? Yes. Was it victory for Russians? From your POV yes, from my POV it was German capitulation because Russians were not able to win in field. In both cases it's our POV, not NPOV ;o) --Piotr Mikołajski 17:53, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not talking about Battle of Hel but about fourth result of battle - capitulation. First three are battle won, battle lost, undecided. You can't say about some battles that were won, sometimes one side loose but second doesn't win. And no, I'm not going to change result of Battle of Hel. --Piotr Mikołajski 07:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Heraldry

Space Cadet 00:49, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

D-PL

You may be interested in: http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,471777,00.html

Sca 03:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


German World Alliance

Hello Jadger,

do you know http://www.germanworldalliance.org/?

Greetings Wikiferdi 01:04, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

WP Munich

WikiProject Munich has over 20 members now which should make for a good WikiProject. To help organize the project, please put down some ideas at the talk page. Kingjeff 02:29, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

WP Munich membership

I'm giving WP Munich members a choice of being active members, semi-active members or inactive members. Please sign up for the correct one. Kingjeff 23:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Inactive means you don't participate at all. Active members will do a lot of Munich-related edits (not necissarily every single one). Semi-active is more about doing some Munich-related editing. I hope you weren't offended about this. It's just a way to see which users are really interested in the project. Kingjeff 16:05, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


I've put a To-Do list on the main page of Misplaced Pages. Kingjeff 20:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Your note

Done. :-) SlimVirgin 01:42, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Prussia

Grüß Gott! I've just joined up as a wikipedia user and I'm interested in helping out over at Wikiproject Prussia and Wikiproject Germany, and I figured the best way to get involved was to contact someone already involved in them. How do I get involved and how can I help out? Mit Freundlichen Grüßen, Leopold III 20:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)Leopold III

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/German Soldier's House

Hi Jadger, I changed my vote, I am really not sure where I saw the information. I did not know the name German Soldier's House before, so it is possibly a nn thing or a hoax.--Ioannes Pragensis 20:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on my editor review

I know that it's been over a month since you left those comments and I don't know how it is that I didn't see them until last Friday but I didn't. I was away on vacation over the weekend so this is the first real opportunity that I've had to thank you. There is still a lot of work to do on the articles related to the expulsion of Germans after WWII. The back-and-forth sniping and biting slows down the work but we are making slow and steady progress. Hang in there.

--Richard 05:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

brothels

New to me, thanks--though I notice most of t he documentation was from Ravensbrück, which makes a certain amount of sense. Typically, there is a level of metabolism below which men cannot have an erection DGG 19:22, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

For your contributions to Misplaced Pages and humanity in general, you are hereby granted the coveted Random Smiley Award
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RE:what do you mean no it isnt

"What I meant is the half of Frankfurt an der Oder now in Poland was not polish in the 17th century, the Holy Roman Empire borders where farther east for a long time, see

--Jadger 23:28, 6 April 2007 (UTC)"

Yeah I know, but at the same time Olsztyn was Polish until 1772. So in my opinion we have to reword the sentence a bit, so it's not misleading. Also, Holy Roman Empire does not necessarily have to mean - Germany. Polish dukes ruled in areas of Recovered Territories longer than 13th century. Polish King's brother - Sigismundus (who later became the king himself; known today as Sigismund I the Old) - ruled Silesia from Wrocław in 16th century. Happy we can talk about it peacefully again - Space Cadet 11:58, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism on AC Milan Page

Your comments were not needed and I'm very sadden that an editor who has added so much to Misplaced Pages would go and do such a thing. Niall123 12:04, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

YOu seriously believe that "Milan is best known worldwide for cheating and bribing referees. " at the start of an article isn't vandalism or at least a complete bias and opinionated edit ? Niall123 18:29, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Do you even know what Misplaced Pages is about. It is obvious that you are a Bayern Munich fan and that you are doing this as some sort of petty retribution. Clear bias has been shown here. This is very poor from an editor who has made as many edits as yourself. Niall123 11:18, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Please desist in your edits. A concencus has been reached on Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Vandalism_on_AC_Milan_article that your edits are poor and bias. If you revert again you will be breaking the 3 revert rule. Niall123 08:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

ArbCom/Piotrus

Case has been started, probably you will be interested: M.K. 10:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Need Help

I would like to direct your attention upon this and this, but also upon this. As a contributor I am just fixing my pants. Certainly, I need somebody correcting my clumsy English. I guess you are the right one to do so! If I was right, please, feel free to leave me a message.

--Dionysos 19:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus

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An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (Talk) 20:32, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

FC Bayern Munich Taskforce

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May 2007 edition of the WikiProject Germany newsletter

The Germany WikiProject Newsletter
Issue I - May 2007
From the editor

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Your User Page

Good catch on the Nemmersdorf Massacre article. I do not know how that passage escaped me. Always reading over it, and getting it into my brain as telegram language, I suppose.

You really must do something about the vandal on your user page. The number of people who has reverted him is growing all the time. The reason why I am telling you is very simple (it recently crossed my mind, but please do not think that I believe it!): if you do not, some people will start to think the vandal is YOU, trying to find out who is following your pages. You could ask an admin or mention it at WP:ANI. Keep up the good work! --Pan Gerwazy 20:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Nah, sorry but you're way off base, Pan Gerwazy. We pretty much know who the vandal is. It is banned user Andrew User:Serafin but there's not much we can do about it since he seems to have access to an effectively unlimited set of IP addresses, all in the range 131.x.x.x. I suppose we could try to figure out who his ISP is but, so far, nobody has gone to the effort of doing so.
--Richard 21:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC) 
inetnum:         131.0.0.0 - 131.255.255.255
netname:         EU-ZZ-131
descr:           Various Registries
country:         EU # Country is really world wide
remarks:         These addresses were issued by
                 The IANA before the formation of
                 Regional Internet Registries.
status:          ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED "status:" definitions

--Lysy 21:21, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I do not understand. I see no 131.x.x.x adresses used by this vandal that fall outside 131.104.x.x. I agree the vandal is almost certainly Seraphin, but Seraphin's sockpuppets also have 131.104.x.x. only among 131.x.x.x. The sockpuppet IP which Seraphin claimed himself on his talk page (131.104.218.123) is not even in that list. According to WHOIS, 131.104.x.x is Guelph University, Canada (add suspicion with most of the IP numbers that the vandal uses, that the guy is actually in Michigan, USA -) If you read my message carefully, you will see I do not believe that Jadger would do this thing and I had no inclination to mention why someone may think so. I will stop following his user page. --Pan Gerwazy 22:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


Goderich Pirates

If you want to add a note about the mascot, just add it to the body of the article. The infobox is not set up for a mascot input. DMighton 02:42, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure if adding a mascot section to a Junior/Senior hockey infobox is a good idea. To be honest... I'm worried about clutter... as well as the fact that I myself played Junior hockey and only ran into one team ever that had a mascot... the Walkerton Hawks... I played for the Mount Forest Patriots and Durham Huskies... and we played against Kincardine, Wingham, Lakeshore, Walkerton, Hanover, Wiarton, and exhibition against a variety of teams in Jr. C... as well. I also spent a pre-season with the Alliston Hornets in the GMO... never saw anything mascot-wise in that league.... and in Jr. A I played against Stouffville, Collingwood, Parry Sound, North York, Wexford, Burlington, Couchiching, Huntsville, Newmarket, amongst others and never saw any there. I played some for the Strathroy Rockets in the WOHL... didn't see any there either.... The point I am trying to make is... I played junior with and against probably 40-50 teams and only once did I ever see a mascot. I would suggest adding it in the introductory section right after where the league is mentioned, and if you want you can even talk about the arena, maybe some team history.... so forth.... maybe the original Goderich Pirates from the 80s and early 90s would be good? DMighton 09:16, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Verifiability

Before the Gleiwitz incident becomes another of the usual revert wars, please read again the key Misplaced Pages policy: Verifiability. Quite simply, every statement in Misplaced Pages must be backed by a reliable reference, if challenged.

This makes perfect sense, as attempting to insert statements with justification that they are "commonly known facts" is a recipe for disaster. Quite simply, what is "commonly known" to one person may not be to another. Balcer 22:02, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

WP:3RR

You have been blocked from editing for a short time in accordance with Misplaced Pages's blocking policy for violating the three-revert rule . Please be more careful to discuss controversial changes or seek dispute resolution rather than engaging in an edit war. If you believe this block is unjustified, you may contest the block by adding the text {{unblock|your reason here}} below. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 23:59, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding your email, you can contest the block and have another admin look into this by following the directions above. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 00:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Jadger (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

I feel your block of me is unfair for a number of reasons. This is in reference to the Gleiwitz Incident article

a)it has not been 3 users, it was 2 users, both of whom are notorious for editwarring, Piotrus even had an ArbCom started against him he is so bad at it. b)If you will take a look at my individual edits, not all are alike, I changed the subject of the sentence in question, and added 3 or 4 different references, I was not reverting, as a revert implies that I did not change the content of the edits, however, Piotrus and Balcer did not change the content and instead reverted, each more than the 3RR allows. c)If I am to be blocked, so should they, as I was editting to the version before PP came along started deleting references.

All I'm asking for is equality, if I am being blocked for the 3RR, so should they, as they have both clearly broken it.


P.S. also note that I was unfairly attacked when it was claimed I had been blocked for 3RR twice before. the one time I was blocked and then had it repealed for the very same reasons I want this one repealed, unfairly described under here:

Decline reason:

You reverted the article more than 3 times in a 24 hour period. If you believe others have violated the 3RR report them to WP:AN/3RR once your block expires (which is quite soon). — Tango 15:44, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Bayern uniform

I think it is correct. Kingjeff 21:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure hot to delete that. Kingjeff 03:04, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Turkey

I was only kidding, of course. Big deal, happens to anybody. Please come back. Our community needs you. Your self-contradicting friend Space Cadet 22:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Good to see you back! Space Cadet (talk) 14:03, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Piotrus

The above case is closed. A general amnesty for editors involved in Eastern Europe-related articles is extended, with the expectation that further editing will adhere to Misplaced Pages's policies. Future behavior problems may be addressed by the Arbitration Committee on the motion of any Arbitrator or upon acceptance of a request for inquiry by any user who edits in this area. For the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 19:09, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:User categories for discussion on -isms

Hi. A user category that you are in has been proposed for deletion at Misplaced Pages:User categories for discussion. You are welcome to comment. Cheers! bd2412 T 02:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Where are you?

Misplaced Pages needs you! --Splette :) 19:33, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

March 2008 edition of the WikiProject Germany newsletter

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your post in invasion of poland

Hi I found this on discussion page by you:

  1. it was not a defensive war, as Poland indeed attacked German positions and attempted an offensive at Battle of Bzura calling it a "defensive war" is ludicrous, or else we should rename all war articles to "____ defensive war", the blank being filled in by whatever nation declared war second, for instance the Franco-Prussian War would be renamed prussian defensive war.--Jadger 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

- Well, in that situation, there would never be a defensive war. An offensive against the advancing invading army makes it not a defensive war any more? I think not. Barciur (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

About you

You know, you should just come out and say it. You hate Poles and thought that Hitler had the right idea. Now go cry in the corner, masturbating to German porn, while telling yourself that you are the master race. Because if you honestly think that the invasion of Poland was anything but German aggression, masturbating is all you have left going for you in life. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.240.103 (talk) 17:52, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

May 2010 edition of the WikiProject Munich newsletter

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Bayern

Well done to Bayern tonight. Don't go fucking about with the Inter article like you did when Bayern lost to Milan the last time out. Accept your defeat and move on. Niall123 (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

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