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	'''As per Guy Macon policy, I declare myself to be Jewish'''
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	==Western Wall Category==
	Hey, could you please remove the insulting and absurd "islamic holy site" category, added by an obvious muslim provocateur, to the Category:Western Wall. ] (]) 09:16, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

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	You have been sanctioned for direct violation ( ) of the discretionary sanctions at ]: ''"You must obtain firm ] on the talk page of this article before making any potentially contentious edits, must not engage in ] and are subject to ] while editing this page."''

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	You may appeal this sanction using the process described ]. I recommend that you use the ] if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you.<!-- Template:AE sanction.--> <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 16:58, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
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	:From one person walking through the DS minefield to another, focus on conduct, not content. Only offer proof that you're right about the article if it's directly relevant to why you didn't do anything wrong (i.e. if you were accused of adding unverifiable content, show sources). Instead, explain why your actions aren't disruptive, etc. I had to dig through your statement to find anything that pertained to that. Good luck today, and, if not, good luck next week. ] (]) 18:27, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

	::You are in violation of your topic ban with this edit: See ]. --] (]) 19:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	::: No, article means article, not talk page. And didn't I tell you to stay off my talk page? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:24, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	::::No, topic ban means ''] ban'': please click on the link. Coffee may have accidentally used the wrong word (article instead of page); I've alerted him. ] \| ] 19:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
	:::::I've updated the topic ban to reflect this. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 19:40, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	::::::Why would I be banned from editing the talk page? What purpose does that serve? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:41, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

	:::::::EDIT CONFLICT: Some topic bans cover talk pages and some don't. Take it from me, though, this stuff isn't obvious unless you've spent months watching WP:AE.
	:::::::As to why you were banned, you'd have to ask the admins for their reasoning (but let me warn you: they hate that), but did ''any'' part of the complaint against you involve talk page conduct? If it was only about the edits made to the article, then my guess is that topic bans are meant to be at least partially punitive. You're being punished, maybe as a deterrent against making edits similar to the one that inspired the ban in the future. Since your ban was for one week, it might be meant as a sort of time-out for you to cool down. I'm just guessing, though. ] (]) 19:43, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

	{{od}}Right, because what better way to get consensus than to have one more person chased away. The whole point of Misplaced Pages is to use the talk page, if you're blocking someone from an article that is one thing but to ban someone from the talk page serves no purpose. Especially if I'm posting sources to back up my claims. I don't get it. And if there's one thing I learned on Misplaced Pages is never question admins, although I've never dealt with Coffee before but the fact that he modified the ban to add the talk page is bad, he could have left it the way it was. To spend some time to add in a talk page ban is just wrong.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:Topic means topic. Talk pages are, of course, connected directly to the topic. 6k+ edits and you have to be told this? -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 19:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:It was one thing when you were just ]ing the same comments over and over again, it's another thing when you've begun to now make veiled attacks at other editors and are claiming that they're backing some form of antisemitism. That sort of behavior is absolutely unacceptable no matter what the topic is. So the only reasonable course of action was to correctly clarify the ban so that you would be deterred from continuing to act in such a manner. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 19:56, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	::I'm not the first one to bring up antisemitism on the talk page. Perhaps you're not sensitive to it but even an admin mentioned the word "troubling" in the RFC as well. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 20:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:{{ec}}At a guess, Sir Joseph, having this particular topic ban cover the talk page (but notice that ''topic bans normally do'', per ], and I'm sure Coffee intended it from the start) serves the purpose of reigning in your relentless and exhausting ] of the same points and the same phrases ad nauseam on article talk; compare my comment at AE. Darkfrog, please stop trolling and fanning the flames at least until you have taken the time to click on ]. I know it's hard; nobody likes to read what it says, it's much nicer to guess; but please click all the same. ] \| ] 19:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
	::That's not appropriate, Bishonen. Of course I've read TBAN. Informing another editor that there is an unwritten etiquette at WP:AE isn't trolling. Do you ''want'' him to annoy people unnecessarily? ] (]) 21:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:::Of course she doesn't want that, Darkfrog. I do think what she's trying to say, however, is that you should butt out and worry about your own current issues being discussed at AE. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 22:00, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	::::Yes, sorry about recommending you to click on ], ]. I have now discovered that you have an appeal of your own at AE, where all the admins who have commented agree that you're having a lot of trouble understanding your ''own'' topic ban. So I'm sure you've read ]. Maybe it isn't so easy to understand as I thought. However, I don't accept you as any kind of expert on appropriateness, after your foolish comments on this page. You had indeed much better butt out. ] \| ] 22:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC).
	:::::Dude, come on. That's not civil. ] (]) 22:21, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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	Edit warring to restore a topic ban vio when you are appealing the ban? Be serious. Antisemetic commentary nearly made it two weeks. You have been blocked before and know the drill. For the sake of clarity this is arbitration enforcement. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 22:44, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:huh? Could someone please explain why I was blocked? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 22:49, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	:: and then not self-reverting following the explanation that talk pages are covered. <small style="border: 1px solid;padding:1px 3px;white-space:nowrap">''']''' - 22:52, 29 February 2016 (UTC)</small>
	] already clarified that it was a misunderstanding. The ban said article not page at first, if spartaz would look at timestamps he'd see that. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 22:54, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	*]Please look at my page history where bishonen revered a comment about my talk page comments and supposed ban violations. You'll see the ban was modified by Coffee after my edits. Please unblock me.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 23:17, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	*I had already unblocked you when I edit conflicted with your message. I agree that the original restriction was defective and did not cover the talk page. {{u\|Coffee}} That was pisspoor. Please note that should always refer to pages not articles as it is extremely rare that the real issue is not talk page behavior. I also consider myself trouted. ] <sup>'']''</sup> 23:19, 29 February 2016 (UTC)
	Thank you. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 23:20, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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	:How is anti-semitic, anyway? ] (]) 00:42, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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	::It's not, that was the supposed edit after a topic ban. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 00:54, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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	::: Is this a little off? Or am I reading too much into it? https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FEnforcement&type=revision&diff=707673226? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 04:11, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::Regarding your request that I stay off your talk page, request denied. I am not going to let you use this page as a place to attack me where I cannot respond. You have called me antisemetic. Please show, with diffs, which of my edits you are referring to, and exactly which words of mine that you claim are antisemitic. --] (]) 04:21, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::When did I call you antisemitic? Now get off my talk page, again. You don't like not being able to respond? How do I think I feel when you post your ramblings? You need to stop stalking me. That is your problem. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 04:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::::As long as you talk about me here, I will reply here, so you might as well stop asking. You called my edits antisemitic here.and Bishonen, one of our most respected admins, commented on it here. --] (]) 04:48, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::::: Can you not read? See what I wrote above. Last warning. I told you to stay off my talk page. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 04:59, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::::::Please see ]. You can't "ban" people from your talk page. We generally respect requests to stay off, when there is not a legitimate reason to come back. So, perhaps stop giving Guy Macon reasons to come back? <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — ] ] ] ≽<sup>ʌ</sup>ⱷ҅<sub>ᴥ</sub>ⱷ<sup>ʌ</sup>≼ </span> 11:27, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
	{{od}} ] Since you hatted some of the AE stuff, can you hat Guy Macon's list of diffs, since that is not part of the complaint since there was no violation of the block. I feel many people are reading His list of diffs and are thinking I violated the TBAN and that might be one reason why they are proposing a six month extension. Otherwise I have no other reason for it other than filing an AE appeal. Thanks. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 18:46, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
	:You did vio the tban ("topic" still means topic, even though you got off on a technicality) and every time you mentioned Sanders and the Sanders article you continued to violate your topic ban. You seem reasonably intelligent, therefore, I find it dubious that you are still claiming to not understand what a tban really means. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 18:55, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
	::No, the ban notice on my page when it was first posted was defective. It was then modified. I've never been tban before and I read the notice. It specifically said article, and the notice said if it says article unless it says otherwise, it needs to say explicitly. Why do you think I was unblocked by Spartaz? Read above. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:00, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

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	:::You were unblocked because the blocking editor didn't pay attention to the chain of events and shouldn't have blocked you to begin with. It had nothing to do with what the admin imposing the tban did or didn't do. But, I have to say that while I generally will give editors benefit of the doubt (also known as AGF) when it comes to explanations, I don't believe your explanation that you didn't understand what a ''topic'' ban is and that it doesn't include the talk page. I don't believe you because you've been here a while and know how things work around here. I also don't believe you because, from the get-go, you have been looking for loopholes to get out of the tban and are blaming everyone and everything but yourself. In my extensive experience with human nature, people who do nothing for their defense other than look for loopholes and blame others are typically guilty. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 14:59, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

	::::No, as I've said earlier, I've never been blocked before and the ban said article and I read the section and it said everything else must be said explicitly. And the whole point in blocking is to avoid disruption so why should it include a talk page and posting to the talk page is indeed what we want to encourage. So why should it be blocked? As for loopholes, you can disagree but if something is not illegal then it's legal. My defense was in my first paragraph. I satisfied to what I thought was the requirement for posting my edit why I felt my edit was not a violation and why I should not have been blocked. I certainly don't see a reason for a six month extension. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 15:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)
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	: How am I to answer individuals if I have to keep to some limit when they can just continue and pile on? For some reason daring to appeal a block is now grounds for an extension and I don't think that's fair.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 22:03, 1 March 2016 (UTC)
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	::] I modified my section but I still don't know why they are talking about a six month ban. What did I do other than go to ae appeal? And also coffee is involved.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 13:12, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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	:::], I can't read the minds of other administrators but I'm guessing that some of them see disputes, identify an editor(s) they think is primarily responsible for the disruption and think if they remove him/her from the situation temporarily, the disruption will end. It's not the call I would make but I think I'm involved in this debate as I have expressed an opinion on how I think it should be resolved (accepting Sanders' self-identification that he is Jewish). I'm baffled why this has turned into such a big debate.
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	::::] thank you for replying, firstly, Coffee posted in the uninvolved section if that means anything. So, what am I to do? Why should I be banned for six months? If you look at the ANI report Guy filed, others have pointed out a possible boomerang, or just pointed out his own actions, and I would ask to read the Encyclopedia Britannica free online for Sanders and see what it says, but again regardless, what policy did I violate to warrant an extension and if I do get a ban extension isn't that an overreach of admin powers? I'm just baffled and perplexed and perhaps that's why Malik said the things he said because quite frankly I'm at my wit's end at this point too. Coffee says I'm not dropping the stick, but that was yesterday at around 2 PM, even though yesterday at around 2 PM I wasn't technically banned from the talk page due to his faulty ban, All this was due to his faulty ban template. And editors here have to walk on eggshells around admins because they say the wrong thing some admins block them. But I don't deserve to be banned for six months, I didn't do anything to deserve it. If anything Guy should be blocked. Look at his edits. He makes up policy (not a .PDF file of unknown origin) and bullies other editors into following his way, he owns the page and doesn't let any other editors edit unless they follow his opinion. If people are worried about the reputation of Misplaced Pages, it's because of him, not because of Malik and myself. And you can still share that it would not be your call, that is allowed.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 17:02, 2 March 2016 (UTC)
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	* '''Comment''' AFAIK "his" in the unblock request is incorrect. --] (]) 16:27, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:: I wasn't talking about Bishonen.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 16:42, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::Ah, understand it now, you seem to PA-ing any admin imposing a sanction separately. I'd kindly suggest to rethink your line of action here if you want to see any admin-imposed sanction undone. --] (]) 16:49, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::: No, but a statement like that is not an attack and an involved admin should certainly have not taken action.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 16:56, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::Still, I'd recommend to make <s>your unblock</s> <u>any</u> request <u>for alleviating admin actions</u> rather about the merits of the action than the merits of the person taking the action. --] (]) 17:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC); updated 17:07, 6 March 2016‎ (UTC)
	:::::: ok. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 17:05, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	* Re. "i don't see a personal attack." – I did, see my comment – as it is a comment on the ''contributor'' (the TB-ing admin), without that comment having even the thinnest relation to the ''content'' (i.e. your TB and the reasons for it) it doesn't pass the ] policy which has "Comment on '''content''', not on the '''contributor'''" as a principle that explains the concept very well. As said it could be explained by some sort of frustration over being TBd, in that case just remove the PA comment, and consider committing to not repeating, and I think you'll have a much better chance of an admin unblocking you. --] (]) 17:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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	{{ec}}This indef is a good block based on the fact that the ADL is not a media organization (as SJ is claiming) but, as Coffee pointed out, is a civil rights legal advocate with their own set of lawyers and more lawyers to take legal action in cases where anti-Semitism is suspected and/or sufficient evidence exists to prove a complainant's case. It seems to me that the Wikimedia Foundation would be a perfect target for a suit as would a Misplaced Pages editor who is not anonymous (as in the case of {{U\|Guy Macon}}, as he pointed out days ago and above). Further, I find it very hard to believe that SJ believes the ADL to be just a media organization -- another editor made a threat to go to the press a few days ago, and SJ was involved in that incident. If he wanted to take up that same mantle, he could have. But he did not, he upped the ante to a civil rights legal/advocacy organization. Because of that, and a few other implausible explanations he's given in the last few days, I simply don't buy it. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 18:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

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	:: ok, I take back what I said. But can I ask why I get blocked while others don't even get a warning? You yourself posted in an ae request too close without action.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 18:45, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::You'll need to either strike the threat, or delete it for the block to be removed. Once that's done we can discuss other items. (I'll note that I think you're taking my administrative actions way too personally, I have no vendetta against you or anyone else for that matter, you should just try to heed the advice made at AE and elsewhere and I think you'd find less issues working with others here. No one is trying to "win" or make you "lose" here.) <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 18:50, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:Hi, I edit Israeli/Palestinian history, and I hardly ''ever'' agree with Sir Joseph. BUT: I don´t think "Informing ADL" (where I assume ADL is the ]) can reconsidered a "legal threat". Seriously. ] (]) 18:51, 6 March 2016 (UTC) (PS: and I am very aware of ADL´s activities ] (]) 18:53, 6 March 2016 (UTC))
	::I don't know whether it is, but it's funny that with the "new" wording of ], claiming that you'll "inform" an organization of something (no matter what they do in response, if anything) can get you blocked, but actually suing a Misplaced Pages editor for something that happened on Misplaced Pages won't. ] (]) 18:55, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::]: Per ]: ''"For example, if you repeatedly assert that another editor's comments are "defamatory" or "libelous," that editor might interpret this as a threat to sue, even if that is not your intention."'' - Aside from the fact that the ADL has a team of lawyers at their disposal, their very name has "Defamatory" in it. On that basis alone it is considered a legal threat per policy, and per policy blocks must be made in these cases. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 19:01, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::] I can only assume you don´t know very much of ADL. I do know of them, (and I am not sympathetic to their activities, to put it very diplomatically), but I cannot think of ''any'' case during the 10 years I have been editing in the Israel/Palestine area that ADL has sued anyone, the name "Defamatory" in it, or not. It is simply not the way they work. And from their WP-page, it seems as if most lawsuits have been agains them.... (There are other pro-Israeli organisations which specialise in lawsuits; say, if anyone had said "I´m informing ]" I think you would have been justified in blocking them for ].) (That ADL has a team of lawyers at their disposal is not an argument; I assume that e.g. WMF has the same. And hopefully nobody would be blocked for stating that they will "inform WMF".) ] (]) 19:33, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::::Your analogy is flawed. The WMF doesn't exist to advocate for legal action to be taken in the case of defamation. The ADL does. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 19:46, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	::::::I don´t agree that ADL exist for that purpose. In practise, these days ADL are mostly concerned with labelling each and every criticism of Israel as "anti-semitic". (Ok, I don´t think Sir Joseph will agree with this description of ADL ;P) They don´t take anyone to court for it (perhaps because they know they cannot win? The right of "free speech" is very strong in the US.)
	::::::If there is even a faint hope of succeeding in a lawsuit, then ] steps in (Even suing Jimmy Carter!!). Seriously, I would like some clarification on this. If someone said "I am notifying (insert pro-Palestinian organisation here)", would they be indef. blocked, too? ] (]) 20:02, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	* I have now removed those words. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 18:58, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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	***can you now please answer two questions? 1. Why did you vote to close the other ae with no action when this got a block? 2. What should I think when guy macon says all I edit is Jews, Jews, and more Jews and he wants me topic banned from that?] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 19:22, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	****since he's not answering, is it just me? Is saying all I edit "Jews, Jews, and more Jews" a little troubling? ]? Can I ask you, since coffee seems to have disappeared even though he said he would answer my questions, but forget that. I just want to know about what guy Macon is saying. I find it distasteful. ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 21:44, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	*****{{ec}} Apologies for disappearing... All of this was at rather bad timing today, as I had already made plans to go out with my fiancee to a few places (which is why I went offline for a bit). An Arbitrator already commented on Guy Macon's comment at ARCA, and he thankfully refactored that comment. As to why you got served an AE action, that was due to the constant battleground mentality you were showing regarding a rather (from an uninvolved participant looking on this from the outside, without a vested interest in either side) ridiculously mundane debate regarding the particular semantics of Sander's ethnicity vs. religion. I hold no opinion on whether or not it should be one way or the other or any at all, but it was fully known that it was obviously contentious for whatever reason. The reason for it being contentious is of no concern, what is of concern is that it ''is contentious''. As to why you were blocked, the other editor had stated that they were going to the media... that isn't something we have any policy against. You, on the other hand, stated you were going to inform the ADL. The ADL, regardless of how anyone sees the group, is not a media organization and has a full team of lawyers at their disposal. And as I stated previously, the very word "Defamation" is in their name... and as per ] what is considered to be a threat can be ''"if you repeatedly assert that another editor's comments are "defamatory" or "libelous,"'' as any editor or administrator ''"might interpret this as a threat to sue, even if that is not your intention"''. The purpose of blocking users who make legal threats is not to punish them or to prevent article subjects or their representatives from having bad content fixed, but to prevent legal threats being posted on Misplaced Pages which can cause damage to the project as outlined in ]. - At any rate I do appreciate that you decided to remove the threat (whether intended to be legal in nature or not), as it prevents this situation from escalating to a point of no return. I do hope you realize that none of this is personal, and that none of my (or any of the other mryiad of admins who've participated in the AE results) actions are meant to "punish" you. I'm just fulfilling my duties, in my position as an administrator, to ensure the minimization of disruption on this site. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">— ] // ] // ] // </small> 05:37, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
	:"Jews, Jews and more Jews.." Not the wisest or most empathetic comment I have seen on WP, let's just say that. ] (]) 22:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	*Why does the block say 16:17 if the original block says 11:17? That is more than 24 hours? ] ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 05:35, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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	::The chances of him reporting this to ADL would result in a legal threat agains anyone, is, IMHO, equal to 0,00. Please find ''anyone'' who edits in the Israel/Palestine area (and hence knows ADL) who disagree. ] (]) 23:10, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{ec}}{{U\|Huldra}}, that's not the point. Please see Curly Turkey's comment above. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 23:13, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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	::::] is not a WP policy. IMO, to be blocked for violating ], there should be a chance, (larger than 0,00) that the "threat" actually would result in a "legal threat". ] (]) 23:20, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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	Please, stop this. No legal threat was made, and in point of fact, if a person who believes herself to be harassed says "I am going to consult an anti-harassment organization" and is sanctioned for saying so, then Misplaced Pages has indeed been taken over by the advocates of harassment. A chilling effect on he use of Misplaced Pages as a tool of harassment or of anti-semitixm is congruent with policy; if it were not, our legal and ethical obligation would require that policy by changed, ] (]) 23:59, 6 March 2016 (UTC)
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	: wouldn't revealing a prior username be against policy as Guy Macon just did to me in his statement? ] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 00:05, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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	Guy Macon has yet once again stated I called him anti-Semitic. Why is this allowed? Why isn't he blocked? Why are his comments allowed to stand? I never once called him that, and it's behaviors like this that is uncalled for, in addition to revealing my prior username.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 01:28, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

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	:: you're a bully and you need to stop. I never called you any names and I told you to stay off my page.You're the one harassing me and stalking me and revealing prior username.] <sup><font color="Green">]</font></sup> 01:55, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

Hello Sir Joseph,

Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.

Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.

Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.

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There is much enthusiasm over the low backlog, but remember that the "quality and depth of patrolling are more important than speed".
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Backlog:

Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

Hello Sir Joseph,

Backlog

The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.

2022 Awards

Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!

Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)

New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js

Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.

Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023

Hello Sir Joseph,

Backlog

Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.

Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.

WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.

Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.

You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.

Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).

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