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== Grammar mistake == |
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I found a grammar mistake in first paragraph of this article. |
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In First paragraph and in 7th line we have: |
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"country that has both a Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its". |
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Article "a" before "Caspian Sea" is not needed and I think correct text would be: |
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"country that has both Caspian Sea and Indian Ocean coastline. Iran has been of geostrategic importance because of its". |
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<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 12:24, 24 March 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Fix the messed up syntax in bold red in the middle of the entry. == |
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Current: "nearby regions wich would last for many centuries onwards." |
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Correction: "nearby regions which would last for many centuries onwards." |
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Current: "Iran reached it's greatests extent since" |
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Correction: "Iran reached its greatests extent since " |
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<small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:38, 1 May 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Social Media and Women's Empowerment == |
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Women living in Iran have encountered various challenges and obstacles socially, politically, economically, and psychologically that have affected character and integrity. In Iran today we see women’s rights activists have very little opportunity to voice their opinions. Although academics and lifelong learning is deemed valuable in Iran historically and religiously, there is legislation aimed to undermine women’s social and legal progress. An example is women’s rights to an education in Iran. The right to an education is increasingly viewed as a basic human right worldwide but it monitored and regulated in Iran. We see education is strongly correlated to economic growth and political stability. It nurtures awareness, liberation, critical thinking, and success. |
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The rise of independent women’s rights activists is due to developments in technologies and increasing participation in digital spaces. The reform movement in Iran in the 1990’s encouraged secular thought and feminist thinking. This challenged Iran’s traditional structure by raising self-awareness of social issues, notably women’s rights issues. The emergence of social media has been a great tool to abolish pre-conceived notions of Iranian Women and have gave them a platform to reach out to the world. The media shapes the worlds opinion by deciding what and what not to broadcast. Social media has aided the empowerment of women by attracting global recognition. It gives a voice to the most marginalized groups in society and energizes activists to spread information and create discussions around the world, instantly. Social issues can no longer be hidden from the world by the Iranian government because public scrutiny forces their actions into light, and holds them accountable for wrongful discourse. Bloggers continue to demand social justice and refuse to be silent, knowing there is a possibility of harassment or jail time. |
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Feminism and activism pose a direct threat to the current power balances in Iran. Media of all forms is a great way to raise important questions and start conversations about women’s lack of rights in Iran. Communication technologies including Facebook, Google, Twitter, etc. creates a stage for awareness and participation. Digital and social media is a very powerful tool and one of the most effective ways to advocate for women’s rights. The future gains of these technology platforms are endless. We can note that technology presents its own challenges in itself, because it is difficult to regulate and is quickly revolving. Women contributing equally to society will have an immense impact on socio-economic, social, and political development. Women being allowed to participate in society will not only benefit women, but all Iranian citizens; and on a bigger scope, the world. |
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<ref>Mehran, Golnar. “Lifelong Learning: New Opportunities for Women in a Muslim Country |
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(Iran).” Comparative Education 35.2 (1999): 201-15. Web 29 Mar 2015. |
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Nafisi, Azar. “Empathy for Iran’s Women.” New Perspectives Quarterly 27.4 (2010): 34-7. |
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Web. 1 April 2015. |
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Odine, Maurice. “Role of Social Media in the Empowerment of Arab Women.” Global Media |
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Journal 12.22 (2013): 1-30. Web 29 Mar 2015. |
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Shavarini, Mitra. “The Social (and Economic) Implications of Being an Educated Women in |
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Iran.” Harvard Educational Review 79.1 (2009): 132-40. Web. 29 Mar 2015. |
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Shojaei, Seyedeh Nosrat, Ku Hasnita Ku Samsu, and Hossien Asayeseh. "Women in Politics: A |
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Case Study of Iran." Journal of Politics and Law 3.2 (2010): 257-68. Web. 29 Mar 2015. |
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== References == |
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{{Reflist|30em}} |
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== Wrong GDP numbers == |
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I check Iranian economic numbers from time to time and it seems there are some suspicious activities trying to distort economic fact about Iran. Would you (anyone) please fix GDP numbers in the first column of the page (up Right side) according to the source pages they are linked to? |
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The official data for GDP numbers are normally linked to these two pages and normally the highest numbers are put into the country summary but what we are seeing now in IRAN page summery is that somebody changed GDP numbers while the linked sources are saying something totally different. |
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Please somebody fix IRAN's page economic data summery (up right side of the main article) according to its linked sources: |
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The links are: |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita |
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Thanks for your help |
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'''Typing Error in GDP (PPP)''' |
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The GDP (PPP) erroneously says "$1,357,028 million." I think this is obviously supposed to be "$1,357,028 billion." Can somebody please amend this as I cannot edit locked articles yet. |
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Thanks. ] (]) 06:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== Can someone put in an anthem == |
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something like this: |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk2GYvhwUno |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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I have just added archive links to {{plural:2|one external link|2 external links}} on ]. Please take a moment to review . If necessary, add {{tlx|cbignore}} after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{tlx|nobots|deny{{=}}InternetArchiveBot}} to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes: |
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*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20121101160814/http://www.presstv.ir:80/detail/2012/08/26/258180/iran-urges-joint-bids-to-promote-peace to http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/08/26/258180/iran-urges-joint-bids-to-promote-peace/ |
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*Added archive http://web.archive.org/web/20120830041459/http://presstv.com:80/detail/2012/05/26/243242/ahmadinejad-new-world-order to http://presstv.com/detail/2012/05/26/243242/ahmadinejad-new-world-order/ |
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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the ''checked'' parameter below to '''true''' to let others know. |
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{{sourcecheck|checked=true}} '']'' ''''']''''' <small>21:03, 14 April 2016 (UTC)</small> |
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Cheers.—]<small><sub style="margin-left:-14.9ex;color:green;font-family:Comic Sans MS">]:Online</sub></small> 10:32, 27 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== Human Rights? == |
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There are lots of reports about human rights in Iran by international NGOs but somehow editors managed to avoid them ! <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:33, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Problems of Pictures == |
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{{ping|LouisAragon}} Some pictures in the article are not suitable. I listed them below. Also, ] can help us. |
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* In the ''Government and politics'' section, the text speaks about the Supreme Leader of Iran but the picture show face of Brazil's president and profiles of Ali Khamenei. I suggest . |
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* In the ''Demographics'' section, I added two pictures from famous place in Iran. ] and ] are important place in Iran and Muslim community. So, two pictures must add in this section ( and ). |
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* In the ''Foreign relations'' section, the current picture has POV problem and is not suitable photo for explaining of Iranian foreign relation. I suggest better picture that describe relation of Iran with other countries. The ] is suitable subject for explaining.] (]) 07:21, 5 March 2016 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Saff V.}} The proposed revisions are ] (]), and contain derivatives from political, personal and ideological orientations. (], ])<br>The revisions are not applicable, with regard to the standards and regulations at the ].<br>] (]) 10:10, 5 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Rye-96}} I pinged LouisAragon, why you answer? Also, why my suggestions are VAN? Introducing an important place is personal and ideological orientation? I prefer to wait for answer of LouisAragon.] (]) 10:41, 5 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|Saff V.}} I don't see why you shouldn't use those pics; they're quite suitable. It's not uncommon for LouisAragon to suddenly enter a period when an edit is made without his agreement; he acts as though he owns the entire article. I wouldn't worry about it; you have my backing. By all means. ] (]) 00:30, 7 March 2016 (UTC) |
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:::There's already a picture relevant to the Iran nuclear deal there, so no need to add another one. The Supreme Leader picture currently there is way more illustrative than just a portrait, in that it shows that the Supreme Leader wields de facto power. And finally, photos of places have no logical connection the "Demographics" section, which is by definition about people. ] (]) 02:31, 7 March 2016 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks for pinging me ]. Regarding the photos I think ]'s right when he says "The Supreme Leader picture currently there is way more illustrative than just a portrait" and I agree that the photo of khamenei and <s>Putin</s> da Silva is far more relevant <s>than any other possible choice</s>. However, I think photos like and are what the article needs. By the way, what are your suggestions for "Foreign relations section"? ] (]) 06:02, 7 March 2016 (UTC) |
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::::]: I suggest to add a photo of Khamenei and Putin if there's any. As you know Putin met Khamenei some months ago. ] (]) 06:50, 7 March 2016 (UTC) |
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==Unification events?== |
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Why Pahlavi dynasty is mentioned as a 'unification' event along with Safavid? Iran/Persian was unified before Pahlavi, it was just a transfer of power. True, there were some separatist movements before Pahlavi, which Reza Shah put down, but I don't believe it's a unification event to be mentioned here. The last unification event was Safavid, since then the country has been unified. Pahlavi dynasty must be removed from this section. ] (]) 00:24, 18 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== The name "Persia" == |
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I take issue with the rationale for by {{u|Vormeph}}. I do agree with the first part, namely that sourced content was removed by it; claiming that sourced content "is illogical because it doesn't come from an official context" is, however, itself illogical. The claim was correctly attributed to ] as ] requires and not presented as fact, but subsequently, a claim was made that {{tq|both ''Persia'' and ''Iran'' are used in cultural contexts}} and that was sourced by another independent source. Have you not come across ] before? It explains the ] policy in detail, showing that whether a name is "official" or not has virtually no relevance for Misplaced Pages's purposes. Of course, in this case, "Iran" is also a common name, and it's common and prominent enough to be this article's title (no one is disputing that); but the mere fact taht "Persia" is "not official" by no means prevents it from being able to be mentioned as an alternative name, if it is in considerable use. Since even show it to be in relatively wide use even in recent publications, I'd say the burden is squarely on your side to remove the sourced content by '''actually showing''' that the claims made in it are false. Justifications that changes without evidence (but actually removing existing contrary evidence) are not how Misplaced Pages is edited, and claiming that editors {{tq|"live in another world"}} because they want ] instead of alleged ] aren't conducive to a good editing atmosphere. ] (]) 22:37, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|LjL}} By what right should a country be known by another name? Should ] have a similar statement that it should also be known as Holland? Should the USA be known as America? They're both validly referred thus, but that doesn't mean there should be a controversial statement on Misplaced Pages about it. Neither should there be so on here. You're using one's own opinion and judgement to justify fact; that's enough reason to remove the statement altogether. If anything, by acknowledging that Iran was once known as Persia is lenient enough. I don't think we should rely on the opinions of just one man who has no official ties to the Iranian government to decide what to name the country. The Iranian constitution does not mention the word ''Persia'' and all decrees and edicts made by the previous government are annulled by the current. So, your argument has no base because it's relying on the opinions of someone who lives in a past world. I'm in reality here, and the word ''Persia'' does not have any real meaning politically nor legally. It may do so historically, but that doesn't mean we should start calling it hither. Hence, to refer Iran ''historically'' as Persia is correct since Europeans in the past referred to it as such. ] (]) 22:55, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Vormeph}} as I mentioned below, ] ''already has'' such a statement saying it is "also known as Holland". Similarly for the other examples you mentioned, see blow. Perhaps you should actually read the articles you're trying to use as example? As to "right", English is its own language: Iran doesn't necessarily dictate how English speakers (or English Wikipedians) should call Iran. ] is natively called "Deutschland", and the name "Germany" is completely different, yet it's what English uses; French uses "Allemagne" for the same country. Shall they all start referring to it as "Deutschland" just because the German constitution does not mention the words "Germany" or "Allemagne"? That's a silly argument. Find sources about how "Persia" is used in modern English, and we can talk. For now, we ''have sources'' saying it is used for the country in a cultural context, and that's what matters. ] (]) 23:02, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|LjL}} If you read news or hear them, you'll also find that the bespoken country is referred to as ], not ''Persia''. There's no ''Islamic Republic of Persia'', there's an Islamic Republic of Iran. There's no ''Persian''- this and that. Suffice it to say your argument is already defeated since English speakers '''already''' refer to ] as such. I have never come across someone who refers to ] as ''Persia''. Either you're an Iranian nationalist or just delusional to think that ] is also known as ''Persia''. How can you draw an entire article's name based on the opinions of just one person? If that's the case, then something is VERY wrong. That's why such sourced content was removed; it lacked a basis to be recognised as what the majority viewed. That professor you cited was old and born almost a century ago; he lives in the past. Your sources are dated, and if you refuse to acknowledge that then I suggest you walk along the streets of your local town and ask the inhabitants what ''Persia'' is, then ask what ''Iran'' is. Most people would know what the latter is, but not the former. You are the one who is refusing to acknowledge that reality; you are the one who is insisting that using the opinion's of an outdated professor are reliable. I am simply enlightening you on this fact, so you can sit down while I make the required changes that you ought to accept. :-) ] (]) 23:09, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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=== Iran vs. Persia === |
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{{ping|LjL}}, {{ping|Rwenonah}}, {{ping|WilliamThweatt}} This issue has to be resolved through a mutual discussion regarding whether the country ] is also referred to as ''Persia''. I'm not against the use of the term ''Persia'', but it's used only in historical contexts; think ] or ]. I don't know why there's much sensitivity surrounding the issue, but as far as I'm concerned it's pretentious by itself to insist that Iran is referred to as ''Persia''. It's like calling the ] as Holland; USA as ]; Russia as USSR; or the ] as ]. The former and latter terms are not the same and refer to either constituent countries, regions or countries that no longer exist. Persia as a country still exists, but it's under another name: ]. I don't need sources to cite common sense; but if I must cite sources to cite stupidity then I will. I shouldn't have to make this discussion thread, but the latter reason is what advocates it. As for all of you, I hope you all get over your egos and realise that ] is referred to as such, not by Persia. ] (]) 22:41, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:You linked to ] but perhaps you failed to noticed that it acutally ''does redirect'' to ], and the very introductory statement of that article says {{tq|The '''United States of America''' (commonly referred to as the '''United States''', '''U.S.''', '''USA''', or '''America''')}}, so that makes your example rather a counter-example to your line of reasoning. ] is just a part of the ], but the article actually ''does mention'' that {{tq|The name ] is also frequently used to refer informally to the whole of the country of the Netherlands}}. So, again, this is weakening your position. Few people would refer to the United Kingdom as "England" in normal English, though they would use "Britain", and the ] article mentions that, saying that {{tq|The term Britain is often used as synonym for the United Kingdom}}. As to the ], that encompassed Russia and more countries (much like the ] does now); it stopped existing, and Russia (or officially speaking the ]) still exists like before. |
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:Do you have any other point against your own rationale (aside from personalizing the discussions by making it about egos)? ] (]) 22:58, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:The fact ''you just referred'' to Iran as Persia under another name above shows why it should be included as an alternative name. ] (]) 23:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Rwenonah}}, {{ping|LjL}} All arguments have already been made; but in Iran's case it's a naming issue. The use of ''Persia'' implies a historical context because of the way it has been used by Iranologists, in contrast to use of the term ''Iran'' which has a more modern basis. Hence, it's correct to say that ''Persia'' is what Iran is historically known by, but it's not what it is synonymous with in a political context. I propose that we introduce a section called ''Name'' which addresses this, since the etymology section has become bloated with all sorts of information regarding it. ] (]) 10:16, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|McGeddon}} Just so you are aware, http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingListsMiddEast/EasternPersia.htm states that the term ''Persia'' is used to refer to Iran in cultural and historical matters. Hence, for Iran to be historically known as ''Persia'' is correct. It's not also known by that name. This is what you're failing to take into account. You also fail to take into account that ANY royal decrees are annulled following the deposition of that monarch. ] (]) 13:57, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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:::That source explicitly goes on to say that ''"The official modern use of 'Iran' began in 1935, at the request of Reza Shah of the Pahlevis, although in 1959 it was accepted that both this and 'Persia' were valid."'', and the article body echoes that (''"Today, both Persia and Iran are used in cultural contexts"''). The lede should not contradict this by stating that usage of "Persia" is purely historical. --] (]) 14:15, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|McGeddon}} You fail to take into account that any decrees made before 1979 were annulled following the revolution. That's implied in its event. Use of ''Persia'' and ''Iran'' in cultural contexts may be correct and it will also be correct to say that ''Persia'' is what Iran is historically known by. If that's the case, then it would be acceptable to say that Iran is ''historically and culturally known as Persia'' as an amendment. The condition is you must rescind your report of me. ] (]) 15:04, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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<s>The HDI given for Iran does not match the source, which should be 0.798, "high".</s> <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added 23 September 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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::::: You are not in the position here to impose conditions. This is not a political forum. Please stop edit warring and trying to push your POV. ] (]) 20:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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{{ping|UCaetano}} As far as I'm aware, the POV I'm advocating exists within the sources itself. Iran ''is'' historically known as ''Persia''. |
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{{edit extended-protected|Iran|answered=yes}} |
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: Yes, but it is ALSO called Persia today. You are pushing to remove the current usage of that name. The burden is on YOU to convince the other editors. You ARE edit warring (and doing it again and again, you've been blocked before for this), so even if McGeddon would "rescind" his report of your edit warring (which will NOT happen), I'd would report you myself. ] (]) 21:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Changes in the Cuisine section: ], as the most basic and authentic Iranian dish, should be added at the beginning of the meal before the ]. Tanks ] (]) 11:15, 31 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 10:29, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::Whoops, accidentally hit reply before I finished typing. This should have been: {{Not done}}: please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> ] (]) 10:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|UCaetano}} That is nonsense! Iran also called Persia today? Read any online news regarding Iran; have you ever seen the word ''Persia'' come up alongside it? NO. If there's something historical (pre-1935) about Iran, then yes it would be referred to as ''Persia''. That's valid because Iran is ''historically'' known as ''Persia''. This is what you're failing to grasp. You're rejecting common sense here mate. ] (]) 10:05, 15 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::: Sorry, I'm on your naughty list and should not talk to you per your own request. Please get a moderator to solve this issue. As it stands, you do not have consensus. Thanks. ] (]) 17:06, 18 April 2016 (UTC) |
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CHange the gdp and the PPP every thing related to economy to 2025 version of it. |
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Take the "Economy of Iran" page as your source. |
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IMF ( International Monetary Fund) |
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::::{{ping|UCaetano}} You are barred from using my talk page in communicating with me. Outside my user space, all discussions are purely professional. The discussion hasn't ended, and the country ''Persia'' does not have a legal status within the UN. The UN labels what you call ''Persia'' as Iran. If Iran were also known as ''Persia'' it would actually be noted in the UN. ] (]) 19:28, 18 April 2016 (UTC) |
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::::: WP is not the UN, in case you haven't noticed. The US isn't listed as "America" in the UN. "also known as" is not about official names. So you're not even wrong. ] (]) 19:52, 18 April 2016 (UTC) |
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GDP OF IRAN CHANGED BY AROUND 30Bbillion dollars and it now sits at 463 billion dollars ] (]) 16:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|UCaetano}} Ah, but you see this is where you're wrong: although the USA was called America since its unification, Persia was not known as Iran since its unification. In essence, Persia denotes usage from the unification under the Archaemnic Empire up until the Pahlavi Dynasty where in 1935 it was established that the term Iran be used instead. You're asserting that Persia remains in use. Can you point out a news article that refers to Iran as Persia in a modern sense? There's a challenge for ya. If you are successful, then I will retract my argument. But in case you are willing to bend over, I have a news article that claims my point very clearly. Enjoy reading, so suck it up and read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21151350 ] (]) 11:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC) |
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CHange the gdp and the PPP every thing related to economy to 2025 version of it.
Take the "Economy of Iran" page as your source.
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