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| == Kapu caste presence in North India ? What is Old Aryan Race == | |||
| == Major cleanup July 2010 == | |||
| What is Old Aryan race? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I belong to telga sub caste of kapu which is classified as forward caste by government of andhrapradesh as per this wiki it states telaga/balija comes under backward castes which is not correct. please see the below link.We are still fighting to include us in BC list since many years. This wiki will guide many balija/telaga and they may try to avail reservation for which they are not qualified yet http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130517/news-current-affairs/article/reddys-piggyback-kapus | |||
| == |
== Edits in lead == | ||
| I requetsed the Users to edit tht article several times. Unsubstantiated claims, hype and imaginary glory abound in the article. Controversial matters such as Chola descent, affiliation of Krishnadevaaraya, Thanjavur nayaks, Kattabomman etc need to be supported by solid proof. "Naidu" is often confused to be a caste, similar to that of "Reddy". These were titles prevalent in many other groups. Users are requested to be objective, historical and dispassionate. Users should give references as MathewVanitas indicated.] (]) 12:48, 1 August 2010 (UTC) | |||
| Sometimes popular stories may have some truth in it. Such thing can be metioned as some belive in the story. In indian caste system surnames and gothras are important. | |||
| @] Can you explain why you have some of the edits? Everything in there is sourced from multiple independent, reliable sources including some from sources already used in this very page. Are you saying that the lead should be ossified and should never be edited? If we have ] and ] sources, which in this case we have, what's the issue? ] (]) 15:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| '''Kumar rao is totally against kapu caste he always boast about his caste and removes whatever content that reflects kapu caste glory, mr kumar rao i know you are pro kamma guy and want to demoralise kapu caste people i dont know why you intrude this page though you are not from this caste, please stay away from this page we request wiki pedia to ban you from writing anyt content, please mind your kamma caste wiki''' | |||
| : Please see ]. -- ] (]) 15:39, 8 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :: Yes, I have seen it. The edits satisfy ] and the overall length is well below ]. Can you be specific? ] (]) 17:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::: The LEAD ''summarises'' the body. {{tq|As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly ''reflect its importance to the topic'', according to reliable, published sources.}} | |||
| ::: So, the issue is the importance of the geographic distribution in the lead. Not verifiability. -- ] (]) 22:29, 8 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Geographic distribution is not important? In most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, should all those hundreds of pages be changed as well? Can you tell me what is important for the lead, so that I can proceed as per your guidelines? ] (]) 05:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: The ] is on you to argue for the inclusion of contested content. -- ] (]) 18:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Contested? Are you saying that the information about geographic distribution is contested? How so? Is it wrong? Is it sourced from primary sources? Are the citations for non-reliable sources? I have already given a pretty good explanation for why it should be included. As per ], the edits summarize the most important points covered in an article. | |||
| ::::::As was mentioned earlier, in most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, how is that different here? ] (]) 19:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::: I am afraid, you are becoming tendentious. Please read the , check the links given, and make a case for the edit. -- ] (]) 19:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: I have rechecked your comment, you mentioned WP:Lead fixation, which I think is not the case here as I am also editing in the body. You still haven't answered my query on why the geographical extent should not be mentioned. It is vital information and is important to summarize the most important points covered in the article as per ]. ] (]) 19:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::: Geographical distribution is already mentioned in the lead to the extent that is necessary. You haven't explained why this additional detail is needed. Neither do your additions to the body hightlight any particular importance of these details. You added one sentence to the body and one sentence to the lead. That is not what summary of the body means. The lead summarises the body, doesn't just duplicate it. If something is important enough to go into the lead, you need to explain it. -- ] (]) 19:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::: If you check the sources listed on this page, most of them would mention Kapus being present in large numbers in both Godavari and Krishna delta regions (i.e. old East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna, Guntur districts). The lead makes it seem as if they are confined to the Godavari districts. It's missing a vital piece of information. It's crucial because most articles written on them mention these four old districts prominently, the other parts not so much. If you want, I can provide the links for them. ] (]) 20:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Notable people == | |||
| '''Balija and telaga castes are still comes under forward caste and dont know why people editied and included these castes under BC one more thing is kamma and reddy also shudra castes like kapu and even their poluation is very small compared to kapu''' <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:11, 14 May 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| The citations do not support why they are notable for this article. I'll be removing those entries. cc @] — ] (] · ] · ] · ]) 13:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Starting over == | |||
| : They are all notable people (have a Misplaced Pages page) and are identified by at least one reliable source, in most cases, as belonging to the community. In many cases, there is more than one source identifying the person. But I didn't add them so as not to clutter the article. | |||
| : Many Indian communities have separate pages for such lists. For example, ], ], ], ], ]. Here, there is no separate page, and hence I only included the most prominent people from the community and excluded many lesser prominent people, especially from politics and the film industry, even though they have a Misplaced Pages page and are identified as belonging to the community. ] (]) 08:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::I think you did not understand what I meant. We do not include content in an article because a source verifies it. Verifiability that a person belongs to a community and that they have an article because they are ] doesn't conclude that we add them to such lists ]. Only when it is ]. As I said above, the sources must attest that a person is notable with respect to this article. Literally almost every other person can be identified as belonging to a particular community and thousands have an article here, we don't add them en masse. — ] (] · ] · ] · ]) 08:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Yes, that's what I was saying. I have only included the most notable people in the community. Most were mentioned in academic books/journals or articles from reputed newspapers in relation to the socio-economic condition of the community or while discussing the role of caste with regards to that industry e.g. politics or films. I have also gone through the discussions on previous lists. I took care to mostly confine this to dead people. And, in the case of living people (]), I made sure that they were identified by multiple reliable sources and had not explicitly disassociated themselves from their community. I checked for all such issues. ] (]) 12:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC) | |||
| == Kapu's were Brahmins == | |||
| Well, there has been enough warning. I have gutted the thing of all content for which maintenance tags etc have existed since at least May of this year. Sure, there was a list of supposed sources at the end but no-one has made an attempt to convert them into footnotes. Let's start over, and do it properly this time. - ] (]) 16:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC) | |||
| '''This guy kumarRao is pro kamma guy he don't know any thing about kapu caste | |||
| This guy is concealing the facts and degrading other castes. Misplaced Pages please don't allow other caste guys | |||
| to write about kapu caste. Shudra is banned word in idia this guy often refer kapu caste to shudra | |||
| we are filing defamatory case against this guy kumarrao and also wikipedia | |||
| '''==Order== | |||
| At last there is a semblence of order.] (]) 14:21, 13 May 2012 (UTC) | |||
| With the evolution, as kapu's were already rich enough and had greatly presence in society, their ancestors were originally devotees and were Brahmins before they got more involved in wars and getting Lands as a wars title. | |||
| ==Use of term "Shudra"== | |||
| Now Kapu's are going with their history and following their ancestors way of being once a Brahmin. So in short Kapu's valija are Brahmins before they got their service in War. ] (]) 11:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC) | |||
| As per Government of India laws, the word Sudhra must not be used to degrade any caste. Misplaced Pages can be taken to court in India with possible penalties if the word Sudhra is used to degrade any caste. | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2024 == | |||
| Government of India has made it mandatory in 1950 itself not to classify Hindu castes using the Varna system such as Kshtriya, Brahmin, Vysya and Sudhra which is controversial classification of castes. | |||
| However here is Misplaced Pages some Editors, seem to be freely using the ancient Varna system (which was created during medieval times and before that) to classify Hindu castes now in 21st century Internet Age. I would request the Super Editors and Owners of Misplaced Pages to remove mention of Varna system to classify Hindu castes, as it is not only controversial but also breaks the Laws of Government of India. Never mention the word Sudhra or any classification under the ancient Varna system in any caste article in Misplaced Pages, otherwise Misplaced Pages could be taken to court in India. | |||
| Above write up by user RK78 | |||
| :Please read ] and ]. Thanks. - ] (]) 21:17, 31 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
| '''If so why this page locked by Misplaced Pages with defamatory content "SHUDRA" nobody could edit this page except Misplaced Pages this is enough to file a defamatory case against Misplaced Pages and kumaarrao''' - <small>Unsiged comment by ] 20 May 2013. Comment was repeated many times, here reduced to only one copy.</small> | |||
| This man Sitush has been doing a lot of mischief in many pages including that of castes in Kerala as well as information about Christian religion. | |||
| The fact is that most of the books written by British administrators, including | |||
| The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India, | |||
| Native life in Travancore, | |||
| The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India, | |||
| ETHNOGRAPHIC NOTES in Southern India, | |||
| as well as The Travancore State Manual | |||
| do mention the word Sudra. And this word is not seen as an untouchable as this man seems to think. Sudras were only the last of the four caste Aryan Varna system. However there were a lot of other castes under them. | |||
| All the above books are available for free download online. | |||
| The contention that the Indian government is going to put a case against the Misplaced Pages for mentioning this word is utter nonsense. This man has been rampantly deleting a lot of information on Misplaced Pages under some grand feeling that he has been entrusted to protect the Misplaced Pages. What is the right word for this mentality is not known. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:48, 5 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Not willing to listen to Other's point of view, is this Misplaced Pages's crony democracy. == | |||
| I think Sitush you are not willing to listen to another editor's point of view. | |||
| You are also not quoting any proper recognized sources to prove that Balija and Kapu were Sudhras or belonged to which Varna. Still you seem to be classifying Balija and Kapu are Sudhras without proper, authentic, government supported sources to prove. | |||
| :I am willing to listen, although I don't think it was me who added the sources here. What is wrong with them? - ] (]) 11:16, 1 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Misplaced Pages is losing respect day by day. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 15:35, 2 January 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :What has that got to do with the content that you were deleting & which is sourced to much more recent works? - ] (]) 15:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC) | |||
| For example, look at this quote | |||
| Aside from noting that the Kapu were a high caste agricultural Shudra community, Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya recorded in 1896 that in common with others of their type in the "Telegu country", | |||
| How can one trust a source like Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya who said something in 1896 (112 years ago) that Kapu are high caste agricultural Shudra community. If you read the wiki article on Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya, it is very clear that he was a deeply biased. | |||
| Now in 21st century, after 112 years the great Misplaced Pages is happily quoting a biased person like Jogendra Nath Bhattacharya as a good source of knowledge - is this the standards one excepts from Misplaced Pages. | |||
| If Misplaced Pages has to retain some respect then delete any content which is not strictly authentic, not accurate. | |||
| There is no proper standard even among Misplaced Pages admins. One Admin would dismiss a quote written in a well researched book published by a government agency in 1901 as old source, while another admin will even except a arbitrary quote made by a arbitary person without any proof as authentic source. | |||
| '''Balija and telaga castes are still comes under forward caste and dont know why people editied and included these castes under BC one more thing is kamma and reddy also shudra castes like kapu and even their poluation is very small compared to kapu | |||
| ''' <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 05:21, 14 May 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :That information and alleged source does not seem to appear in this article. - ] (]) 22:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit request on 16 May 2013 == | |||
| {{cot|reason=This is in the article history. No need to copy/paste long screeds here. - ] (]) 13:28, 23 March 2014 (UTC)}} | |||
| Telagas are the most ancient Warrior clan of the Deccan and South India who specialised in warfare and took to agriculture during times of peace and belongs to forward caste | |||
| Trilinga -> Telinga -> Telanga -> Telaga (It is a Country of Telaga People) | |||
| Trilinga -> Telangu -> Telungu -> Telugu (It is a language of Telanga People) | |||
| Present Day Telanga + Anemu(well/high place) = Telanganamu = Telangana (this is the Ancient Horizon Place of Telugu People who are calling now as Telagas) | |||
| The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana. Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu.It is easy to see from this that the Telugu warriors came to regarded as Telagas par excellence. | |||
| They ruled the Telugu country for most part of the medieval ages in the form of Telugu Chodas and were the foundation on which the Chalukyan Empire flourished. The Telagas served as Nayakulu (Governors), commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin. These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name Telaga have been derived. They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The vassals of Chalukyas entered into matrimonial alliances, and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasty. They formed the bulwark of ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas, Chalukyas, Kakatiyas, Vijaynagar, Nayaks Kings etc. | |||
| Some of the ruling Dynasities are | |||
| Telugu Chodas | |||
| The Telugu Cholas ruled the various regions of Andhra for more than four centuries. Important ruling Clans were:- | |||
| Velanati Cholulu of Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju. They ruled over Velanadu | |||
| Renati Cholas of Renadu who rules over the current Cuddapah, Prakasam and Kurnool Regions | |||
| Konidena Cholas ruler from the current Guntur region. | |||
| Nannuru Cholas | |||
| Nellore Chola Kings | |||
| Kolanu Kings ruled the area between Krishna Godavari Rivers | |||
| Kona Kings ruled the present Konaseema area | |||
| Koppula Chiefs ruled the Polunati seema present pitapuram area | |||
| Musunuri Nayaks | |||
| Korukonda Nayaks | |||
| Nayak Kings of Madurai, Tanjore, Chenji, Kandy and Vijayanagar. | |||
| After the fall of the Eastern Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas served as vassals/Governors during the Kakateeyas. They were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra. | |||
| After the fall of the Kakateeyas, the Telagas, under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka, led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Balija, Reddy, Velama and Kamma Nayaks, and liberated the Andhra country. | |||
| Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers. Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last dynasty of Viajayanagar was a Telaga. This family was an Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due course of time. | |||
| With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were dispatched off to protect the far-flung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga general was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasty | |||
| After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their native region of the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture while some of them went further South and settled down in the Madhurai and Tanjavur region and joined the Nayak King army. | |||
| Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telugu saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga". Even now, one can find swords, armour and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry. All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami as their family deity. Most of their surnames represents the names of weapons used by this warrior community. | |||
| Another legendary instance of Telaga bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War, fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram Kingdom, led by Vijayaram Raju. Telagas warriors are the principal combatants of the Bobbilli war. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli, Ranga Rayudu, the Bobbili king, before riding out to war, in no mood to submit the honour and the dignity of the Royal House, ordered all of his commanders to execute their families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama commanders and soldiers executed their families before proceeding out to war. King Vijayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga commanders Miriyala Sitanna, padala ramudu along with Papa Rayudu. Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi, and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals, and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are feudal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra. Because of their warrior past and valiant fighting nature most Telagas were recruited in the British army as Major, Nayak Subhedars, Naikers etc. before India's independence. Telagas are very prominent in the Madras Regiment of British India army. Even now the Police and Indian Army recruits Telagas in large numbers from rural areas. | |||
| Padma Bhushan Colnal C. K. Naidu (Cottari Kanakaiah Naidu)was the First captain of India Cricket team is a Telaga. C K Nayudu was tall right-handed batsman and a useful change bowler. He was a batsman who could hit the ball tremendously hard and as a leader he has become famous. He was the first cricketer to be honored with the Padma Bhushan. | |||
| The Telugu movie mogul Padma Bhushan, Mega Star Dr. Chiranjeevi (Konidala Siva Sankara Vara Prasad), recipient of Padma Bhushan for his social service, hails from West Godavari district belongs to Telaga Community. | |||
| The famous social reformer ( 19th-20th century) Raghupathi Venkata Ratnam Naidu belongs to Telaga community. He also pioneered the Telugu movie industry. | |||
| Rao Bahaddur Dr Sir Kurma Venkata Reddy Naidu former Chief Minister and Governer of the Madras Presidency during the British Rule is a prominent Telaga. | |||
| See List of Telagas | |||
| Telaga Surnames and Titles | |||
| Putta, Thammichetty, Pulaparthi, Kammula, tekkem, tekkam, kodi, jetty, vannemreddy,chandana,puppala,yedumambakula,galla,padavala,sanku,seerla, siddineni,Papolu,Lingampalli,Mediboyina, Amarapalli,Sevvana,Soorabathula,pidugu,poojari, kandula, kanchumarthi, gundugula, kathula, Munukoti, ventrapati,karasudula , pediredla, sundara, kondapu, kondisetti,sandrani, sarvisetty, pedapati,keerthi, chodiseti, baipineedi, vogeti, mutangi, pothula, mandiga, kotti, kunche, chebrolu, ramineedi, manchala, Avireddi, Medicherla, Palasala, Kakarlamudi, Sistha, Namburi, Rokkam, Busi, Pinapatruni, Adatrao, Mondrety, Bandaru, Jonnakuti, Gogisetty, Janyavula, Jannavula, Taladi, Ravuri, Nagisetty, kommana, Pasupuleti, Redrauthu, Darapureddy, Ramanjana, Dhulipudi, Sammeta, Kalisetty, KatikiReddy, MuppiriSetty, Ikkurthi, kosana, gundubilli, gontu, Chikkala, Nagam, Reddipalli, Ijju, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu, Ankam , Arisankala, Boyina, yaga, sukkireddy, madhavarapu, girajala, koppisetti, garaga, adabala, Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, pippalla, baluvu, Chinimilli, Sunkari, irri, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Rankireddy, Bezawada, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, vungarala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Kaikala, Vuragayala, Konidela, Allu, Nalanagula, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Koppineedi, Kavali, Vangaveeti, akiri, Addagarla, Sunkara, Domarouthu, Nandhi, Bandi, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Geebu, Pothamsetty, yetam, Chodisetty, mondreti, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Madhyanapu, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, bandaru, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota, Tuta, Mallepudi, kumpatla, Koppana, Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, inti, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Lanka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Sura, Sirangu, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Tanneru, itla, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, madasi, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, pinaka, Pinisetty, Ketinedi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, Lalisetti, ghanta,Sankabathula, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, kommana chegondi, Singamsetty, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, Sirigineedi, kunapareddi,mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala, arava, pedireddy, Manam, sanati, Bandi, Maddhala, Vaida, Thimmisetty. Mycherla; Gantakolla, Gudivada, Chittemsetty, Kamavarapu, Sangam, Cheekati, kunisetti, Kasireddy, Gainedi, Kodavathi, Nanabala, Battula, Lalisetty, bethamsetty, gundala, Gedala, Eti. Lingam, Seethala, Bonasu, immidisetti., madireddy, addanki, nalla, pettela, madapati, miriyala, allamsetty, bommisetty, Karri, pantham, mangena, mudragada, sangeeta, mandali, mandala, samineni, buragadda, pinnenti, perni, simhardri, bhogireddy, naraharisetti, kosuri, parasa, Palakurthy, Mallareddy, Ravula, Yalla,Pitta, Challa, Chantati,vikram,Suravarapu,Mekala, Chilamakurthi, Godavari, venna,bonda, gunisetty, Ap,pana, Varupula, Gadam,Bodapati, pothireddy,Masapu,Gokeda,Magatapalli,kasuladevi,Dodla,Siddabattula,Kola,Kona,Nadipelli,Sunnam,Konedala, Vulli,Ankam,sandiparthi,janapareddi,kondempudi, | |||
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| == Edit request on 21 May 2013 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| 1. I belong to telga sub caste of kapu which is classified as forward caste by government of andhrapradesh as per this wiki it states telaga/balija comes under backward castes which is not correct. please see the below link.We are still fighting to include us in BC list since many years. This wiki will guide many balija/telaga and they may try to avail reservation for which they are not qualified yet http://www.deccanchronicle.com/130517/news-current-affairs/article/reddys-piggyback-kapus | |||
| Please permit me to edit this page | |||
| '''why don't you reproduce the official gazette of Government of AP on Backward castes?''' | |||
| Don't quote the newspaper report. Go straight to the Govt's official list of BCs. If Kapu, Telaga, Balija and Ontaris are not listed there, it will be obvious that they are not BCs. Don't enter into useless arguments with others. Cite the official sources. | |||
| ] (]) 07:55, 9 April 2014 (UTC)Prasad | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 03:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :Hi, that newspaper article certainly throws some light on a confusing situation but also seems to raise some questions. For example, it refers to four areas and I am not sure what those areas are. Anyway, what exactly is it that you would like to say? Can you draft a sentence or paragraph that you would like to see included? - ] (]) 08:25, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| :I have closed this edit request in light of the above comment. It is not possible to grant individual exceptions to the protection policy. If the OP has '''specific''' text he/she would like added or revised, please state so in a "change X to Y" format. —<span style="color:#808080">]</span><sup><span style="color:#008080">]</span></sup> 17:30, 21 May 2013 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit request on 1 October 2013 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|<!-- Page to be edited -->|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
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| ] (]) 18:05, 1 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Kapu means to protect, why would a shudra protect something, protection was the main job of Kshatriyas, kings, etc, | |||
| Naidu means leader. | |||
| The subcaste of Kapu would tell what was to be protected. | |||
| And as per Government of India and Andhra Pradesh, Kapu are treated as forward caste, and do not enjoy any kind of reservations, there few subcastes of Kapu who are deemd to be backward but still they are not given any priority in the reservations system in India. | |||
| ::We cannot remove cited information for an uncited rebuttal. If you have an argument to make, please provide ''exactly what words you would like to see instead'' along with ''explicitly clear citations to reliable sources'' that support your preferred sentences. ] (]) 20:13, 2 October 2013 (UTC) | |||
| Varna status | |||
| The varna designation of Kapu is a contested and complex topic. Even after the introduction of the varna concept to south India, caste boundaries in south India were not as marked as in north India, where the four-tier varna system placed the priestly Brahmins on top followed by the Kshatriyas, Vaishyas, and Shudras. In south India, on the other hand, there existed only three distinguishable classes, the Brahmins, the non-Brahmins and the Dalits. The two intermediate dvija varnas — the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas — did not exist. | |||
| The dominant castes of south India such as Kapu held a status in society analogous to the Kshatriyas and Vaishyas of the north with the difference that religion did not sanctify them, i.e. they were not accorded the status of Kshatriyas and Vaishyas by the Brahmins in the Brahmanical varna system. Historically, land-owning castes like the Kapu have belonged to the ruling classes and are analogous to the Kshatriyas of the Brahmanical society. | |||
| The Brahmins, on top of the hierarchical social order, viewed the ruling castes of the south like the kapu, Reddys, chowdary, Nairs and Vellalars as sat-Shudras meaning shudras of "true being”. Sat-shudras are also known as clean shudras, upper shudras, pure or high-caste shudras. This classification and the four-tier varna concept was never accepted by the ruling castes <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:05, 31 March 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2015 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | ||
| ] (]) 20:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Please add VANGAVEETI MOHANA RANGA AND VANGAVEETI RADHA KRISHNA ,SAMENANI UDAY BHANU, MANDALI BUDDHA PRASAD (Ex.,Minister and former deputy speaker of Andhra ),Pradesh NAMES | |||
| Telaga and Balija are Forward Caste | |||
| In politicians list | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a ] and provide a ] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> ] (]) 13:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC) | |||
| ] (]) 16:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.<!-- Template:ESp --> ''''']]''''' 16:49, 8 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| ::And please cite ] to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - ] (]) 17:00, 8 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2015 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=y}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Both Telaga and Balija communities are forward castes with Kapus. | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 19:26, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> as you have not cited ] to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - ] (]) 19:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Copyright issues == | |||
| I have just removed a long post to this talk page because it was clearly copy/pasting a large amount of information from copyrighted sources. Please read ] before adding information here, to the article or indeed anywhere on Misplaced Pages. Thanks. - ] (]) 11:28, 24 May 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 16 September 2015 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=y}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Please list Telaga as Forward Caste. Also you can overall claim Kapu caste as Kshatriya varna instead of Warrior past | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 15:24, 16 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> as you have not cited ] to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - ] (]) 16:03, 16 September 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for? | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 28 November 2015 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=y}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Please do not mention Telaga as backward peasant caste. This is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category. Please refer to the following information. | |||
| I kindly request Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste. | |||
| ''<MORE COPYRIGHT REDACTED>'' | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 14:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> as you have not cited any ] to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article.<br />Every significant point of your proposal needs a reference - so you could need 8, 10 or even more references - ] (]) 15:18, 28 November 2015 (UTC) | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 6 December 2015 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Please add following to the Kapu caste category: | |||
| '''''<Copyright violation redacted>''''' | |||
| Please refer to: | |||
| 1. http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php | |||
| 2. http://www.vepachedu.org/manasanskriti/kapu.htm | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 07:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| *<s>] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> You would need inline citations and two would not be enough for that amount of text. See ] for information on how to format and place citations. --] (]) 07:54, 6 December 2015 (UTC)</s> | |||
| *] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Actually I am denying this request for a completely different reason. We '''cannot''' accept text taken from somewhere else on the Internet. That is a ]. --] (]) 07:57, 6 December 2015 (UTC) | |||
| Just out of curiosity, i have a question to Allthefoxes. Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community? Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for? | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2016 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Be sure to state UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes; editors who can edit the protected page need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests WILL be declined. --> | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| Please kindly refer to www.kapunadu.com or telaganadu.com to make appropriate changes to kapu caste.Also they are currently listed as forward caste by govt of Andhra Pradesh. Kapu, balija and telaga are classified as forward castes. I see telaga caste is listed as backward peasant which is incorrect information and should be corrected immediately. Also in old times most kings list refer to kapu caste as per vapechedu information. Please take this as a priority request to modify changes to this page and telaga caste | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 04:23, 11 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.<!-- Template:ESp --> - Please be ''VERY SPECIFIC'' about what needs to be changed. | |||
| '''<COPYRIGHT REDACTED>''' --] <sup>(])</sup> 03:49, 15 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Please justify below sentences under Kapu Titles section on Kapu caste page: | |||
| "whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively. However, none of these groups is currently included among the other backward class category" | |||
| What is this contradiction? | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2016 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Be sure to state UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes; editors who can edit the protected page need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests WILL be declined. --> | |||
| <!-- Begin request --> | |||
| <s>I am currently residing in United States working for a reputed company. I myself is a member who belongs to Kapu caste. I have noticed that this page is a victim of vandalism on regular basis by unknown members.</s> I kindly request the members or admin to document the history of Kapu caste that includes Telaga and Balija as per the following community links listed below. Also, please kindly note that as of today Kapu, Balija and Telaga are classified as Forward Caste as per state of Andhra Pradesh. They are fighting for BC status just like Patels n Gujarat but are not included in BC category yet. Also, i kindly request other members to not change Kapu caste content so frequently. If this continues for longer period than we need file a dispute with Wikepedia according to laws of united States. | |||
| <s>www.kapusangam.com | |||
| www.kapunadu.com | |||
| www.telaganadu.com</s> | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 17:11, 13 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> In addition, leagl threats witll '''not be tolerated'''. No one on Misplaced Pages ] content, and anyone is free to change it. --] <sup>(])</sup> 17:25, 13 January 2016 (UT | |||
| <s>Just out of curiosity, i have a question to Allthefoxes. Are you a member of Kapu/Telaga/Balija caste community?</s> Why is it that Telaga Caste page on wikipedia has insufficient information compared to other castes. There is just one line of information documented and nothing much. Also, i myself just typed 'Kapu caste' on google and then clicked on latest news. They are not part of backward caste category. They are currently classified as Forward Caste. When i go to Kapu caste page why is it i see that it is documented as backward? I see so many users requesting you to make changes but no action is taken. Please explain wht are you looking for? | |||
| I kindly request the admin to add Kapu, Balija and Telaga as forward caste in Andhra and Telangana. What Mr. K. Srinivasula has mentioned in the article as part of references is incorrect. They are fighting for backward status which is not yet granted. Please type kapu caste on Google and then click on news. Latest news says they are not yet considered backward. | |||
| : {{done}} I added the point that they are not currently included among OBCs. - ] (]) 21:14, 20 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Thanks kautilya for adding chages. But also please kindly change the Balija and telaga castes to forward caste they are listed As backward which is incorrect. As per reliable sources they will not be included in bc category so easily. They are good natured people and mingle with everyone. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:37, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| Reference source: Central list of OC from state of Andhra Pradesh <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:49, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Please kindly remove references 4,6,7,8 from References section. They are all outdated, incorrect and wrongly documented <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 14:51, 21 January 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :{{u|Kapucastemember}}, you have been warned many times before. You ''cannot'' copy and paste from other websites. That is a copyright violation. Please do not do so again. Three entries on this talk page have been removed because of this issue. You cannot copy and paste from other websites. --] <sup>(])</sup> 20:09, 21 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Please justify below sentences under Kapu Titles section on Kapu caste page: "whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively. However, none of these groups is currently included among the other backward class category" What is this contradiction? | |||
| : There is no contradiction. That was 1921. This is now. I would be happy to add that "they are not considered backward castes at present," if you produce a reliable source that says precisely that. Not being included among OBC doesn't imply that they are "not backward" or that they are "forward." Many groups not included among OBC claim that they are still backward. - ] (]) 10:41, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| <s>Here is a good and reliable source for this caste: It is called AP (Andhra Pradesh) Telaga Kapu Balija Sangham/Community. There address listed below: 1-2-605/2/A, Lower Tank Bund Road,Kavadiguda, Hyderabad 500080; Telephone : + 91 - 40 27612388 E- Mail : info@kapusangam.in. Call them and ask the president of KApu association. He mentioned it as forward caste today. | |||
| Please find the community portal: http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php, this website was developed by members after consulting with university professors from Osmania Hyderabad and Andhra Universities/</s> | |||
| Here is another link listed Kapu as forward caste: latest news on Indian Express http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra_pradesh/Upper-Caste-Bodies-Raise-Voice-Against-Reservations/2015/09/10/article3019549.ece1 | |||
| (In this article Kapu means Telaga and Balija) | |||
| I kindly request you to make appropriate modifications as forward | |||
| Also kindly go to Andhra Pradesh government portal, they all are listed as forward as of today | |||
| Alos, on top of the page I see this '"Ontari" redirects here. For the 2008 film, see Ontari (film)' which has got nothing to do with Kapu caste. Please remove it. | |||
| :I have explained to you elsewhere (at ]) that caste-affiliated organisations are not reliable sources. I am also aware that there '''are no official lists''' for forward castes. The way it works is that if a community is not listed in one of the other categories then it is assumed to be forward. I wouldn't trust a newspaper to get this right, either, because they simply repeat whatever the caste associations tell them as part of their political campaigning etc. Most politicians lie, much of the time. - ] (]) 12:07, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| <s>Sitush - Can you kindly let me know, who are you? Do you belong to Kapu caste? Are you from state of Andhra Pradesh or Telangana? Have you participated any community or associations. Are you university professor? | |||
| Who are you?? Do you have formal education from good reputed schools? Which part of India from you from. I myself is from Kapu caste, we are classified as forward caste in my caste certificate. So, please do not dictate terms to us.</s> | |||
| == Ground rules for this talk page == | |||
| There are repeated posts making the same points again and again, which are against Misplaced Pages policies. It is getting tiresome. So, I propose that we strike out, collapse or delete all the posts that don't follow the ground rules. I am stating them here for everybody's benefit: | |||
| * Only published sources are considered reliable. Sources authored by scholars (especially academics) are preferred. | |||
| * We will never use web sites or publications of caste organisations. | |||
| * Whether any editor belongs to a particular caste or not is entirely irrelevant. Please don't raise such questions. | |||
| Any request for changes without providing reliable sources will be entirely ignored. So, please don't bother making them. - ] (]) 13:42, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Kautilya - You are talking about rules, but before doing that first correct the content on all the pages. You do not have any right to represent wrong information and spoil the reputation of a community which is the largest in state of AP. You are hurting feelings of millions of people across the world. So, when you make a edit try to know why and what you are posting. Have a good one. | |||
| : Edit requests must be made in the "change X to Y" format and provide reliable sources. - ] (]) 14:51, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| :I had to remove the above. '''Yet again''' was that exact text copied from another page, so we cannot use it. I have warned you many times about this, you '''cannot''' copy and paste text from other websites. --] <sup>(])</sup> 17:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Can you let me know from which place I have copied the content from ? Please explain .I have not copied anything from else. That's a wrong claim. Does this make sense whilst the Balija and Telaga were regarded as backward castes, comprising 3 percent and 5 percent of the 1921 population, respectively. Are we in 1921 now? | |||
| We are in 2016. You have mentioned something which is 100 years ago. | |||
| :I cannot link it here, as that would be a copyright violation, but I am taking the text you entered above before it was removed, and simply googling it, and finding the EXACT WORDS you put on this page, on other websites, from as early as 2013 --] <sup>(])</sup> 18:12, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I have a latest updated list of Andhra Pradesh Other Backward Caste (OBC) list from Andhra Pradesh Government. I do not know how to share this document with you. It was sent to me by Office of AP Cultural Affairs. In the latest list there is no mention of Telaga and Balija as Backward caste. What Mr. K Srinivasulu has mentioned in Working Paper 179 is totally incorrect. We have initiated a request to contact this individual and make apologizes to the people of Andhra. I have are reliable source in PDF format, please let me know how can I share it with you? Here is another reliable source from 2010 list of OBC in Andhra Pradesh: https://www.scribd.com/doc/43264575/ANDHRA-PRADESH-OBC-CASTE-s-LIST. You will not find Kapu, Balija and Telaga listed here. K Srinivasulu documented information from 1921. After independence i.e 1947 until today Kapu (Balija and Telaga) are listed as forward castes. | |||
| :No-one is disputing this. The problem is that you are not reading the article correctly. Kautilya3 has already explained what it is you are mis-reading. Now please stop this time-wasting nonsense. - ] (]) 16:34, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Sitush - If you don't stop your nonsense on my community. I will file a case aginst you for defaming and wrongly documenting information. Do not act too smart. You are not part of our our group i.e Kapu caste. Please kindly stop editing. I will file a law suit against you. You are hurting sentiments of millions of people with your destructive edits. You yourself do no have any reliable sources. That means you unfit for edits. | |||
| :Legal threats will result in you being blocked. --] <sup>(])</sup> 16:58, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Why don't you block user Sitush ? I am helping you to improve the content to publish online. No one wants to listen. Have a good one. | |||
| Kautilya3 - Can some one improve the content for kapu caste page. I feel what other users mentioned about k srinivasulu makes sense. Let's remove what Srinivasulu mentioned. His working paper which I read is incorrect. I feel we should refer to today's scenarios. | |||
| Dear Editor here some cats and dogs fight is going on... not sure why some caste people wanted kapu caste to be shown low caste.. one clear info .. Balija is OC in Rayalaseema. Go and get a caste certificate from MRO office and if they can give BC for Balija.. i would have become IAS by now ...anyways .. we telugu are like this .. please change the words BC for balija.. its the clear proof that i was always given OC certificate in MRO office anywhere in rayalaseema... enough proof.. pls investigatge.. thanks.. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 17:36, 14 March 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : {{Not done}} If you are making an edit request, please state in the format "Change X to Y" and provide a ] for the edit. - ] (]) 18:38, 14 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| == Balija == | |||
| The claim that Balijas form a subcaste of Kapus is unsourced. In fact, most sources, including Srinivasulu, state the Balijas are a trading caste, who are quite unrelated to Kapus. I found only one stray reference to hyphenated "Balija-Kapu" , which might mean Kapus that turned into traders. So, I suggest that we get rid of all mention of Balija from this article. - ] (]) 15:04, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
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| '''Can someone delete the K Srinivasulu information on Kapu caste page. It is my humble request. Its information is very misleading'''''' <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:26, 1 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :See , if you can. - ] (]) 15:17, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{collapse top|Unsourced claims}} | |||
| Balija subcaste is a offshoot of Kapu caste. Kapu in olden days means Village Head, Protector from Bandits, Kings list refer to Kapus. Balija is a trading caste. That is correct. Telaga is a caste of Kings, Warriors and Governors in olden days. Telugu Chodas are Telagas. Nellore Kings are Telagas, which is another sub caste of Kapu. Kapu, Balija and Telaga are similar to Kamma, Reddy, Velama, Raju, Yadavs and are intermediate castes/upper castes and not backward at all. Today large lands and educational institutions are controlled by them in certain districts of Andhra Pradesh. | |||
| This institution is owned by Kapu caste people in Bangalore. Very reputed school: http://www.msrit.edu/ | |||
| Like wise there are hundreds of best institutions owned by them. | |||
| :You cannot just link to a school's home page, since that doesn't tell us anything. Can you please link us to something, or find something that actually says what you are saying? something that is not already affiliated with a caste? --] <sup>(])</sup> 15:47, 23 January 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Kautilya, Instead of mentioning kapu caste is fighting for backward caste and what k srnivasulu thinks in 1921. You can also document that today kapu Telaga balija ontari are forward castes <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:47, 3 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : If you keep spamming this talk page, the page will get protected and it won't do anybody any good. So, please restrain yourself. You have been heard and ignored, because you didn't provide any ]. Repeating it won't make any difference. - ] (]) 15:32, 3 February 2016 | |||
| Also please remove or delete what k srinivasulu mentioned. That doesn't apply in present tense at all. Also we have sent you the current list of reservation that are applied towards filling employment occupations in state of telangana and Andhra Pradesh. | |||
| : That has also been heard and ignored, as per Misplaced Pages policies. Now stop this! - ] (]) 16:05, 3 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Can someone explain how kapu caste are shudras when we see list of dynasties or kingdoms associated with them. They should be classified as Kshatriyas or warriors. Also what is their origin? What is the classification in today's world. It is so confusing to readers <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 20:09, 4 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| We can remove the content that as per 1921 telaga and balija caste as backward caste, there are number of newspaper articles listing as forward today since day of independence. So I would recommend just google search on kapu caste and sort by news. I would be feel good if you remove telaga listed as backward peasant caste and balija as lingayat caste. If actual numbers are taken they are most forward in entire south India. Let us not put them down | |||
| After repeasted requests from Kapu caste community people not to vandalise the page so much, i see some of the stuff documented on wikepedia is incorrect and irrelevant. For example K Srinivasulu document is totally incorrect and can be removed. Why is that no action is taken until now? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:06, 26 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| I see under kapu titles, that as per 1921 Telaga and balija are listed as backward castes and also Telaga as backward peasant caste and be like as lingayat caste. Both are in correct. Please add just one line saying kapu Telaga and balija like dominant peasant castes. All the major kings in south India were from this community. | |||
| I agree with other user, why are we listing something in 1921. India got its independence in 1947 from British rule and constitution was formed then. I personally feel there is a need for correction and remove 1921 stuff who no one even knows. Can someone take action? | |||
| :Once we see a ], then someone could. --] <sup>(])</sup> 15:51, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I feel refering to k srinivasulu doc is irrelevant. I feel he is incorrectly documented information. We need to take action on something after constitution has formed I.e. after 1947. Until today kapu Balija and Telaga are classified as Forward Caste.Reliable source would be current list of caste reservation doc from respective govts. Its quite annoying to read 1921 listing when there was no telangana and Andhra Pradesh state governments present and it was under madras. So let's correct it rather being ignorant. I feel so confusing reading some stuff on this dominant land owning community. Andhra Pradesh state was formed in 1953 before that it was under madras. | |||
| Very well said. Andhra Pradesh government formed in 1953. So it' is absolutely irrevalant to mention 1921. Intelligent ask. | |||
| :Sounds good. Again, once we have a ], then changes could be made. --] <sup>(])</sup> 16:30, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Please find the Reliable source below on Andhra Pradesh government formation. | |||
| https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Andhra_Pradesh | |||
| That means in 1921 there was no Andhra Pradesh | |||
| I agree there was no Indian government before 1947. It makes no sense to list 1921 stuff when Andhra govt formed in 1953 | |||
| :Please note that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. You would need something like a newspaper, read on that ]. In addition, the existence of a government or not has nothing to really do with anything here. What would you like to be changed? --] <sup>(])</sup> 18:23, 9 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| We can remove the content related to 1921 as entire India was under British rule and no Indian legislature. Also we can remove telaga as backward peasant caste and balija as lingayat caste under kapu titles. | |||
| There are number of online articles saying kapu telaga and balija caste is forward today when we Google and click on news. | |||
| Why don't someone answer this genuine request? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 14:29, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :: Reliably sourced content will not be removed. Your ] arguments won't make any difference. | |||
| :: This talk page has been semi-protected once. If the IP's don't abide by policies, it is likely to get permanently semi-protected. - ] (]) 15:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :Because no one has yet to provide a ]. --] <sup>(])</sup> 17:32, 10 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| You did mention that Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source. What do you need? Why are you so cynical fox?<small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 21:27, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Something like a newspaper article, magazine article, from a reliable, verifiable, third party organization as described on ]. --] <sup>(])</sup> 21:58, 10 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| What information do you need in the article please? I will search and present it to you. Please explain? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 22:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Folks - particularly the one(s) who do not have registered accounts - we are going round in circles here. Even if we could verify that the community is now classified as Forward (which we cannot because it involves proving a negative via ]), it wouldn't negate the 1921-related material. That is going to stay unless someone can provide a decent argument by which we conclude it is not a ]. The IP contributor(s) are clearly engaging either in ]). I suggest that: | |||
| :(a) the IP contributor(s) read ], ] and ] | |||
| :(b) the registered accounts ignore the IP contributors here until there is some evidence that they have indeed read and understood the information on those pages. Basically, a de facto form of ]. | |||
| :If the IP contributors have any problem with actually understanding the info on those pages then they should ask someone at the ] to explain ... but not in the specific context of this article because their problem is either one of comprehension of the English language or, frankly. ]. Neither of those problems are article-specific. - ] (]) 00:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC) | |||
| {{collapse top|] - Please read the above paragraph}} | |||
| I request someone to add a 'Status' column under 'Related Groups' on Kapu caste page. Also there is some miss representation saying Congress part has supported their demand to OBC status in 2016 which is again incorrect. There is no congress party in Andhra Pradesh. They have zero seats in Andhra and no representation in assembly. Kindly correct it. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:30, 12 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| This statement below can be removed from Kapu caste page: "Some of the subcastes of Kapus such as the Munnuru Kapus, Turpu Kapus, Vada Balijas etc. are included among the Other Backward Classes list, qualifying for positive discrimination" They are not part of Kapu caste. | |||
| Only Kapu, Telaga and Balija are under one category. | |||
| This can be changed/removed: | |||
| Srinivasulu notes that the Reddys and Kammas are the politically dominant communities of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, and that the Kapus are among a group with lesser but still significant influence, despite their small population. They are particularly effective in the districts of East Godavari and West Godavari, although Srinivasulu notes that "The Kapus of the coastal districts are distinct from the Munnur Kapus of Telangana. While the former are fairly prosperous, the political emergence of the latter, who are part of the OBC category, is a recent phenomenon." | |||
| Also, no need to mention munnuru kapu under kapu caste page, they are not part of kapu/Naidu caste. Also, Kapus are concentrated in Vijawada, Krishna, Guntur, Prakasam, Rayalaseeman and Godavari districts. | |||
| <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:48, 15 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| What are kapu caste titles please? <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:32, 16 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Please add a column to Kapu and Telaga caste pages similar to Balija as listed below: | |||
| Balijas | |||
| Religions Hinduism (India), Jainism (India), Buddhism (Sri Lanka) | |||
| Languages Telugu, Tamil, Kannada | |||
| Populated States Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Orissa, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra | |||
| Subdivisions | |||
| Naidu‡ — Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Kerala | |||
| Naicker‡ — Tamil Nadu | |||
| Nayake‡ — Sri Lanka | |||
| Rao‡ — Andhra Pradesh, Orissa, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Chhattisgarh, Maharashtra | |||
| Related groups Kapu | |||
| Status Forward caste | |||
| ‡ Shared by other groups <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:39, 17 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Dear all, My team has reached out to Universities and Both State Governments of Andhra Pradesh in order to verify the content authored by K Srinivasulu in the working paper document. After they looking into the existing data and archived data for the past 100 years they have concluded that data provided by K Srinivasulu is incorrect. They believe since Andhra Pradesh was under Madras province and no data was maintained or properly documented before independence from British rule. They have mentioned that all NAIDUS including kapus Telaga and Balija are classified as dominant peasant castes or upper castes and first chief minister of Madras after independence was from Kapu caste. So there is a need to remove unnecessary content of k Srinivasulu from kapu caste page. They said that census before independence was incorrect as no administration existed to document data correctly. | |||
| <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 19:36, 24 February 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| This is Michael Creglow. I was interested in reading the article about Kapu caste but i felt that the article lacks consistency and doesn't mention about the actual occupation and their caste titles. I was able to collect some requirements from other reliable sources. I recommend sensible users to improve the page by adding the content listed below: | |||
| '''''<COPYRIGHT REMOVED>''''' | |||
| <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 00:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Please see ] and ], Michael. Your thoughts, however accurate they may be, are of little use on Misplaced Pages until you actually name the sources etc so that other people can verify them and assess their likely authority. Feel free to list them here (preferably including the relevant page numbers). If they do the job then someone with experience can help you with inserting the information into the article. And welcome to Misplaced Pages, by the way. - ] (]) 02:02, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| 1. Mr. Sitush - I greatly appreciate your time in answering my request. I did look at the community portal of Kapu caste and also read a book called Castes & Tribes that belong to South India. This describes how classification of indian system was made in ancient times by occupation. This book is not available online to read but its a citation or a reference book in one of the libraries at American Universities. But, i was able to find some similar information or data pertaining to this caste on community portal which is similar to Patels in Gujurat and Rajputs in Rajasthan, which is listed below: http://www.kapusangam.com/history.php. I feel this information is critical to be posted on Wiki so that History students or Research students from American Universities will have immediate access to high level information before they dig into deatils about Indian culture and system in South India. Have a good one. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 17:50, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : Well, I have to say you have rather a Soviet-style idea of the caste system. I would encourage you to read our article ] to get the true picture. In general, you would be better off stopping reading blogs and reading Misplaced Pages instead. Coming back to the question, this article says right at the front that Kapus are mainly "agriculturists." So what is it that you don't understand? - ] (]) 20:11, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Kautilya.. - I would greatly appreciate it if you would review my recommendation of text in beginning of my conversation in order to consider including occupation titles in olden times and modern times also documenting its overall history in ancient times. Because indian caste system was identified by occupation rather than unconditional identification by skin. I will definitely follow your recommendation on reading Caste system in India. I disagree the fact that all Kapus are Agriculturists as i see many students in United States having Kapu origin and i read a article 'Rise of South Indians'which clears states that today majority of international students coming from India to USA are having some kind of Telugu speaking background with majority coming from Kapu and Kamma castes. | |||
| Again another article which was released by US Embassy in India says majority of Science courses both Master's and Bachelor's programs in American Universities are dominated by South Indians especially from state of Andhra Pradesh followed by Karnataka and other states. We at universities taking a pie out of every article to understand the rise and success of these communities and understand their history in relation to USA.<small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 23:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : You folks in the Universities need to do the research and publish it, before we can report it here. Please don't expect us to do your job for you. - ] (]) 23:30, 26 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I recommend to add occupational details along with its history which would enable students to access preliminary information and help them research, compare and document articles. We are not publishing articles in support of any particular caste but are interested in overall progress of south india. I once again recommend wiki users to support this cause by adding relevant information. I know of a Wall Street journalist whom i can engage in interacting with you to gather right information.<small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:03, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| : Misplaced Pages sourcing policy is defined at ] and ]. Without providing any reliable sources, you are simply wasting your time and ours. - ] (]) 17:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Correction is required for the below statement: | |||
| Please kindly remmove this "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand" | |||
| or change it to: | |||
| "None of the parties have supported the demand. Also, Indian National Congress party has no representation in Andhra and they have won zero seats, also YSR congress has withdrawn the support for this cause. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Do you have a ] to back up your claims? --] <sup>(])</sup> 23:36, 31 March 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Request to user Kautilya: I have sent you a most recent document on not including Kapu caste to your email address by Kapucastemember: I kindly request you to remove below statements from Kapu caste pageas they are no longer valid. | |||
| "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand" <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 15:17, 7 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| :We have been over this at least 15 times now. No changes will be made until you provide a Reliable source according to ] - Take the time to either get comfortable with our policies, or no changes will be made. --] <sup>(])</sup> 17:26, 7 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Someone please kindly take immediate action to remove this sentence from Kapu caste page:"In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand." | |||
| I believe a member of kapu caste member has sent mails to allthefox and kautilya with reliable source <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 02:45, 9 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| I see many requests coming in from many viewers of kapu caste page but no action is taken from either admins nor anyone else to oblige the requests. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:37, 11 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :That is because the people making the requests are not following our guidelines, even after we have explained these guidelines to them many times. This information is at ] --] <sup>(])</sup> 22:23, 12 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I would like to share latest document released by Mr. Puttu Swamy commission in deciding whether or not Kapu caste including Telaga and Balija to be included in list of backward classes. The latest report released by them clearly mentions that Kapu caste is not eligible for Backward Classes. | |||
| https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:KAPU_Community_not_to_be_included_in_BC_list.pdf | |||
| Also, i kindly request you to remove the following sentences from Kapu caste page, as it no longer is valid. | |||
| In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 03:53, 13 April 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :That document is just a "representation" , ie: the opinion of one person that has been submitted to an organisation. It is utterly useless. '''I am going to delete on sight any further wasting of time that appears on this page.''' Please go find some other hobby. - ] (]) 05:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Corrections to the page: | |||
| On top of the page a film name called "Ontari" is lited. | |||
| Please rephrase this sentence as listed below:"In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. However, Kapu, Telaga and Balija castes are not included in BC category." <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 20:53, 26 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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| Remove "Ontari redirects in 2016" on top of the page. | |||
| Remove "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand." | |||
| Reliable Sources: | |||
| http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/Andhra-Pradesh/2016-02-05/Kapus-demand-for-reservation-unjust-say-BC-associations/204911 | |||
| https://commons.wikimedia.org/File:KAPU_Community_not_to_be_included_in_BC_list.pdf | |||
| Also, current chief minister of Andhra Pradesh Mr. Nara chandra babu naidu is not interested in including Kapu under BC category. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:28, 20 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Be sure to state UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes; editors who can edit the protected page need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests WILL be declined. --> | |||
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| In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. However the main line i.e. Kapu, Balija and Telaga ar enot included in BC category as both INC and YSR congress have lost elections with zero seats and current chief minister of Andhra Pradesh is NAIDU. | |||
| Also, kindly remove film name Ontari on top of the page | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 20:57, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> Also, it appears that you do not have consensus for the removal of the film name Ontari, and your request does not contain an explanation for why it should be removed. — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 21:10, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Not sure why Ontari film is publiiced on Kapu caste page. Nothing to do with Kapu Caste. | |||
| Andy - can some one add the following on Kapu caste page: "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. Non-ruling parties or parties who are not in power for example The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand but ruling party or party in power Telugu Desam Party is not considering reservation for all and presently the main line castes Kapu, Balija, Telaga and Naidu castes are forward communities and fall under 15% of Upper Castes or Other similar to Kamma/Naidu,Raju/Kapu and Velama Naiducastes | |||
| and remove the following: | |||
| In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests.The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 09:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| == Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016 == | |||
| {{edit semi-protected|Kapu (caste)|answered=yes}} | |||
| <!-- Be sure to state UNAMBIGUOUSLY your suggested changes; editors who can edit the protected page need to know what to add or remove. Blank edit requests WILL be declined. --> | |||
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| Request to change the following: | |||
| Srinivasulu notes that the Reddys and Kammas are the politically dominant communities of Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, and that the Kapu-Naidus/Telagas are among a group with lesser but still significant influence, despite their small population. They are particularly effective in the districts of Krishna, Machilipatnam, Guntur, East Godavari and West Godavari, Rayalaseema. They are economically powerful and politically active. | |||
| <!-- End request --> | |||
| ] (]) 21:03, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| :] '''Not done:''' please provide ] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> — ] <span style="font-size:88%">('''] ·''' ])</span> 21:09, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Source | |||
| http://shodhganga.inflibnet.ac.in/bitstream/10603/25437/8/08_chapter%204.pdf <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 21:40, 26 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Have you bothered to read the "Status" section of the article? It says pretty much what you propose, although slightly watered-down because you are cherry-picking the source. I am very fed up of Kapu people coming here in an attempt to puff-up their community: don't misrepresent what sources say, please. - ] (]) 21:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| I wanted you to rephrase certain sentences in Status section inorder to look better for readers. To be honest i am not a Kapu caste member nor belong to community such as Kamma or Reddy. I have some good friends who are from Kapu caste and in my observation they are very straight in talk and down to earth people willing to help all and no fancy at all. | |||
| Also, another request you can rephrase certain sentences such as in 2016 they started agitating for backward class status but though non-ruling parties have supported their demand they are still not accepted as backward caste under present TDP governmnet in ruling. The main Kapu, Telaga and Balija are still considered as Forward Caste. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| Dear Andy/Sitush - Please kindly accept the above request <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:22, 30 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :The request is declined for the reasons stated above. --] <sup>(])</sup> 22:48, 30 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Fox - I see you are always negative to all users and only like to escalate matters and break the harmony. I do not see you contributing or adding any value to the Kapu Caste page/ | |||
| Please read this under Kapu caste page "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand." | |||
| It looks like as if Kapu caste is now included in backward category instead mention the following "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. Non-ruling parties or parties who are not in power for example The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand but ruling party or party in power TDP is not considering reservation for all and presently the main line Kapu, Balija, Telaga and Naidu castes are forward communities. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:31, 31 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :Again, the request is denied for the reasons above. None of the content you are putting forward works under ] or is properly sourced. I'm not being negative, I'm following our policies --] <sup>(])</sup> 04:25, 31 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Please do not talk about policies and other things you are bull shitting basically. | |||
| Why is "Ontari" redirects here. For the 2008 film, see Ontari (film) is on Kapu caste page? Can someone explain. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:20, 31 May 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
| :How am I BSing you? Those are our policies and I intend to follow them. In any case, this doesn't need to carry on. Have a good one. --] <sup>(])</sup> 16:06, 31 May 2016 (UTC) | |||
| Sitush/Any Admin User, can some one do correction | |||
| It looks like as if Kapu caste is now included in backward category instead mention the following "In early 2016, the Kapus of the modern Andhra Pradesh state launched an agitation demanding the status of Other Backward Class, leading to violent protests. Non-ruling parties or parties who are not in power for example The Indian National Congress party and the YSR Congress party have supported their demand but ruling party or party in power Telugu Desam Party is not considering reservation for all and presently the main line castes Kapu, Balija, Telaga and Naidu castes are forward communities and fall under 15% of Upper Castes or Other similar to Kamma/Naidu,Raju/Kapu and Velama Naiducastes <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 19:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
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Kapu caste presence in North India ? What is Old Aryan Race
What is Old Aryan race? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.235.114.164 (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Edits in lead
@Kautilya3 Can you explain why you have reverted some of the edits? Everything in there is sourced from multiple independent, reliable sources including some from sources already used in this very page. Are you saying that the lead should be ossified and should never be edited? If we have WP:RELIABLE and WP:VERIFY sources, which in this case we have, what's the issue? Nikh Nori (talk) 15:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Please see MOS:LEAD. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, I have seen it. The edits satisfy MOS:LEADCITE and the overall length is well below MOS:LEADLENGTH. Can you be specific? Nikh Nori (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- The LEAD summarises the body.
As in the body of the article itself, the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources.
- So, the issue is the importance of the geographic distribution in the lead. Not verifiability. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 22:29, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Geographic distribution is not important? In most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, should all those hundreds of pages be changed as well? Can you tell me what is important for the lead, so that I can proceed as per your guidelines? Nikh Nori (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- The WP:ONUS is on you to argue for the inclusion of contested content. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Contested? Are you saying that the information about geographic distribution is contested? How so? Is it wrong? Is it sourced from primary sources? Are the citations for non-reliable sources? I have already given a pretty good explanation for why it should be included. As per MOS:INTRO, the edits summarize the most important points covered in an article.
- As was mentioned earlier, in most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, how is that different here? Nikh Nori (talk) 19:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am afraid, you are becoming tendentious. Please read the edit summary of the revert, check the links given, and make a case for the edit. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- I have rechecked your comment, you mentioned WP:Lead fixation, which I think is not the case here as I am also editing in the body. You still haven't answered my query on why the geographical extent should not be mentioned. It is vital information and is important to summarize the most important points covered in the article as per MOS:INTRO. Nikh Nori (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Geographical distribution is already mentioned in the lead to the extent that is necessary. You haven't explained why this additional detail is needed. Neither do your additions to the body hightlight any particular importance of these details. You added one sentence to the body and one sentence to the lead. That is not what summary of the body means. The lead summarises the body, doesn't just duplicate it. If something is important enough to go into the lead, you need to explain it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- If you check the sources listed on this page, most of them would mention Kapus being present in large numbers in both Godavari and Krishna delta regions (i.e. old East Godavari, West Godavari, Krishna, Guntur districts). The lead makes it seem as if they are confined to the Godavari districts. It's missing a vital piece of information. It's crucial because most articles written on them mention these four old districts prominently, the other parts not so much. If you want, I can provide the links for them. Nikh Nori (talk) 20:04, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Geographical distribution is already mentioned in the lead to the extent that is necessary. You haven't explained why this additional detail is needed. Neither do your additions to the body hightlight any particular importance of these details. You added one sentence to the body and one sentence to the lead. That is not what summary of the body means. The lead summarises the body, doesn't just duplicate it. If something is important enough to go into the lead, you need to explain it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- I have rechecked your comment, you mentioned WP:Lead fixation, which I think is not the case here as I am also editing in the body. You still haven't answered my query on why the geographical extent should not be mentioned. It is vital information and is important to summarize the most important points covered in the article as per MOS:INTRO. Nikh Nori (talk) 19:31, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- I am afraid, you are becoming tendentious. Please read the edit summary of the revert, check the links given, and make a case for the edit. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:16, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- The WP:ONUS is on you to argue for the inclusion of contested content. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 18:46, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Geographic distribution is not important? In most pages of ethnic groups/social groups geographic distribution is mentioned in the very first paragraph. So, should all those hundreds of pages be changed as well? Can you tell me what is important for the lead, so that I can proceed as per your guidelines? Nikh Nori (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- The LEAD summarises the body.
- Yes, I have seen it. The edits satisfy MOS:LEADCITE and the overall length is well below MOS:LEADLENGTH. Can you be specific? Nikh Nori (talk) 17:16, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
Notable people
The citations do not support why they are notable for this article. I'll be removing those entries. cc @Nikh Nori — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 13:36, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
- They are all notable people (have a Misplaced Pages page) and are identified by at least one reliable source, in most cases, as belonging to the community. In many cases, there is more than one source identifying the person. But I didn't add them so as not to clutter the article.
- Many Indian communities have separate pages for such lists. For example, List of Khatris, List of Rajputs, List of Maratha people, List of Iyengars, List of Ezhavas. Here, there is no separate page, and hence I only included the most prominent people from the community and excluded many lesser prominent people, especially from politics and the film industry, even though they have a Misplaced Pages page and are identified as belonging to the community. Nikh Nori (talk) 08:00, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think you did not understand what I meant. We do not include content in an article because a source verifies it. Verifiability that a person belongs to a community and that they have an article because they are notable doesn't conclude that we add them to such lists WP:ONUS. Only when it is WP:DUE. As I said above, the sources must attest that a person is notable with respect to this article. Literally almost every other person can be identified as belonging to a particular community and thousands have an article here, we don't add them en masse. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, that's what I was saying. I have only included the most notable people in the community. Most were mentioned in academic books/journals or articles from reputed newspapers in relation to the socio-economic condition of the community or while discussing the role of caste with regards to that industry e.g. politics or films. I have also gone through the discussions on previous lists. I took care to mostly confine this to dead people. And, in the case of living people (WP:BLP), I made sure that they were identified by multiple reliable sources and had not explicitly disassociated themselves from their community. I checked for all such issues. Nikh Nori (talk) 12:47, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think you did not understand what I meant. We do not include content in an article because a source verifies it. Verifiability that a person belongs to a community and that they have an article because they are notable doesn't conclude that we add them to such lists WP:ONUS. Only when it is WP:DUE. As I said above, the sources must attest that a person is notable with respect to this article. Literally almost every other person can be identified as belonging to a particular community and thousands have an article here, we don't add them en masse. — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 08:46, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Kapu's were Brahmins
With the evolution, as kapu's were already rich enough and had greatly presence in society, their ancestors were originally devotees and were Brahmins before they got more involved in wars and getting Lands as a wars title. Now Kapu's are going with their history and following their ancestors way of being once a Brahmin. So in short Kapu's valija are Brahmins before they got their service in War. 2409:4043:698:271C:9C07:7DD0:1E04:7BD1 (talk) 11:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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2402:8100:295F:2560:0:0:19B6:DDA3 (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Please add VANGAVEETI MOHANA RANGA AND VANGAVEETI RADHA KRISHNA ,SAMENANI UDAY BHANU, MANDALI BUDDHA PRASAD (Ex.,Minister and former deputy speaker of Andhra ),Pradesh NAMES In politicians list
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:06, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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