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== fair and less fair == | ||
How about splitting the "Rarer" table into isohedral (including "long" dice) and other? ] (]) 05:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I'm curious how that would look. ] (]) 13:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
::Most of the non-isohedral dice have the word "truncated" in the table. All ]s, all ]s and ], and (effectively) all long dice are isohedral. ] (]) 05:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Die or Dice == | |||
For articles like ], ], ] and many others, the article title is singular, though several of the objects are usually used together. | |||
With ] you can play ], ], ], .. ].., etc. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 06:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> | |||
:Do you want to suggest any changes to the article? It seems to me applications of dice is sufficiently covered in the article, with wikilinks to relevant articles.--] (]) 19:24, 20 August 2014 (UTC) | |||
For dice, the singular can be ''die'' or ''dice'' and the plural is ''dice''. Thus, the title ] could be either, but the start of the article makes it seem to be plural: | |||
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:'''''Dice''' (sg.: '''die''' or '''dice''') are small, throwable objects ...'' | |||
(my point being: this only makes sense if the first word is understood as plural). | |||
This is kind of odd, I think. Would this be better? | |||
:''A '''die''' (sg. die or '''dice''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ... | |||
Logically, one might say this should go with renaming the article ], but I wouldn't support renaming. | |||
Also, given title ], this would be more logical: | |||
:''A '''dice''' (sg. dice or '''die''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ... | |||
but I actually prefer my first version. Or perhaps this: | |||
:''A '''die''' (sg. also '''dice''', pl. '''dice''') is a small, throwable object ... | |||
Thoughts? ] (]) 08:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:I support: A '''dice''' ({{singular}} dice or ''' die'''; {{plural form}} dice) is a small, throwable object... <span style="font-family:cursive;color:DarkBlue;cursor:help"><span>]</span><sup>(])</sup></span> 08:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
I was looking at this page in mobile view, and the image at the top of the page (at least) appeared to extend outside of the box for it, covering some of the page text. If it's necessary, I was using an iPad (unsure of version: school-owned) in a horizontal orientation. ] (]) 17:57, 24 March 2015 (UTC) | |||
::That would be logical, yes! | |||
::Arguably, with that lead, it would be odd that we throughout the article use the singular '''die''', and I don't think we should change that, which is why I prefer "A die (...) is". | |||
::(We use "die" 73 times and "dice" 129 times, and though I haven't checked all 129 instances, it seems that when we use "dice" it is either plural or dice as a concept, where using the plural form is at least possible.) ] (]) 10:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC) | |||
:::Only idiots use dice as a singular.--] (]) (]) 18:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
::::Why would you want to be so rude? Both forms are correct. ] (]) 16:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Where, if at all, to put basic stat info for nDs dice == | |||
== Burnt City Dice == | |||
A while back, related to some research I was doing, I needed to gather some basic info about the results you get when rolling nDs+c and nDs-c dice -- It discussed the minimum value, maximum value, and most likely value(s) you get for particular nm s and c, including when the adjusted rolls would result in a negative value. This info has been useful for my fellow gamers, and I think it would be of interest to other d20 players, as well as those interested in dice probability, and perhaps probability more generally. As far as I was able to discover, this info is not grouped together in one place on the Web -- or, if it is, I could not find after a lot of googling. | |||
The burnt city dice are actually . Will mark this as disputed for now, unless anyone has a reason not to.] (]) 22:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC) | |||
:I agree. That entire paragraph is a mess. I've removed all the dubious assertions without citations and added new references.--] (]) 20:27, 31 July 2015 (UTC) | |||
I've been told by a knowledgeable editor that such info is too detailed for the Dice page. Dice Notation was suggested as a location for it, but that page is about (several different) dice notations, and doesn't really get into the probability behavior of info related to them (sensible; the page is about notation, not stats). It also seems inappropriate to place this info on its own page; seems too detailed for that. So, I'd like the community's input: Is there an appropriate page for this info? Should it be on a new page after all? Or it is just too esoteric to be in Misplaced Pages? | |||
== I've got a picture of a die.. == | |||
Many thanks for your advice! ] (]) 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC) | |||
Hello all, | |||
I just took a picture of an old die I saw at a museum dating back to 2000 B.C. Should I upload this to the Misplaced Pages Commons image page? | |||
== Probability theory == | |||
] (]) 18:26, 8 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
:Might as well! ] (]) 21:50, 8 October 2015 (UTC) | |||
Obviously, ] is not something we should get into detalis about in this article. However, I think one, reading this article, should be no more than a click or two away from getting info about the relevant probability theory when throwing e.g. two identical dice, or two differently coloured dice, simultaneously. Perhaps it can be fixed by adding an appropriate link in the section ], but I'm not sure how, or what to link. Ideas? ] (]) 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC) | |||
== Discussion about die script == | |||
:I added a brief paragraph to the "Use" section, linking to probability theory. I agree, it should be somewhere in the article, and this looked like a good spot to me. ] (]) 06:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC) | |||
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fair and less fair
How about splitting the "Rarer" table into isohedral (including "long" dice) and other? —Tamfang (talk) 05:30, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- I'm curious how that would look. BOZ (talk) 13:07, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Most of the non-isohedral dice have the word "truncated" in the table. All Catalan solids, all bipyramids and trapezohedra, and (effectively) all long dice are isohedral. —Tamfang (talk) 05:28, 15 August 2024 (UTC)
Die or Dice
For articles like Token, Chess piece, Coin and many others, the article title is singular, though several of the objects are usually used together.
For dice, the singular can be die or dice and the plural is dice. Thus, the title Dice could be either, but the start of the article makes it seem to be plural:
- Dice (sg.: die or dice) are small, throwable objects ...
(my point being: this only makes sense if the first word is understood as plural). This is kind of odd, I think. Would this be better?
- A die (sg. die or dice, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...
Logically, one might say this should go with renaming the article Die, but I wouldn't support renaming. Also, given title Dice, this would be more logical:
- A dice (sg. dice or die, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...
but I actually prefer my first version. Or perhaps this:
- A die (sg. also dice, pl. dice) is a small, throwable object ...
Thoughts? Nø (talk) 08:03, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- I support: A dice (sg. dice or die; pl. dice) is a small, throwable object... Alexeyevitch 08:29, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- That would be logical, yes!
- Arguably, with that lead, it would be odd that we throughout the article use the singular die, and I don't think we should change that, which is why I prefer "A die (...) is".
- (We use "die" 73 times and "dice" 129 times, and though I haven't checked all 129 instances, it seems that when we use "dice" it is either plural or dice as a concept, where using the plural form is at least possible.) Nø (talk) 10:28, 30 August 2024 (UTC)
- Only idiots use dice as a singular.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why would you want to be so rude? Both forms are correct. Nø (talk) 16:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Only idiots use dice as a singular.--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:45, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Where, if at all, to put basic stat info for nDs dice
A while back, related to some research I was doing, I needed to gather some basic info about the results you get when rolling nDs+c and nDs-c dice -- It discussed the minimum value, maximum value, and most likely value(s) you get for particular nm s and c, including when the adjusted rolls would result in a negative value. This info has been useful for my fellow gamers, and I think it would be of interest to other d20 players, as well as those interested in dice probability, and perhaps probability more generally. As far as I was able to discover, this info is not grouped together in one place on the Web -- or, if it is, I could not find after a lot of googling.
I've been told by a knowledgeable editor that such info is too detailed for the Dice page. Dice Notation was suggested as a location for it, but that page is about (several different) dice notations, and doesn't really get into the probability behavior of info related to them (sensible; the page is about notation, not stats). It also seems inappropriate to place this info on its own page; seems too detailed for that. So, I'd like the community's input: Is there an appropriate page for this info? Should it be on a new page after all? Or it is just too esoteric to be in Misplaced Pages?
Many thanks for your advice! Eclectucator (talk) 23:14, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
Probability theory
Obviously, probability theory is not something we should get into detalis about in this article. However, I think one, reading this article, should be no more than a click or two away from getting info about the relevant probability theory when throwing e.g. two identical dice, or two differently coloured dice, simultaneously. Perhaps it can be fixed by adding an appropriate link in the section Dice#Use, but I'm not sure how, or what to link. Ideas? Nø (talk) 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I added a brief paragraph to the "Use" section, linking to probability theory. I agree, it should be somewhere in the article, and this looked like a good spot to me. Fieari (talk) 06:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Nø (talk) 08:20, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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