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== Doc James == | |||
'''Initiated by ''' ] (]) '''at''' 02:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
=== Involved parties === | |||
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=== Statement by RoseL2P === | |||
], previously known as Jmh649, was | |||
1. Subjected in 2009 to an Arbcom-imposed edit restriction of six months for incivility and edit-warring . | |||
2. Blocked in 2009 for violating his Arbcom-imposed restriction | |||
3. Warned in 2013 and in 2014 for edit warring and being disruptive | |||
4. And has shown very poor judgement in the midst of the ongoing drama at ] - | |||
making three controversial reverts within the space of two hours. . A protracted pattern of aggressive edit-warring, especially on such a sensitive policy or guideline, is extremely disruptive, inexplicably unwise, and could ultimately lead to someone being '''seriously''' harmed. | |||
Please do something to rein in his behavior because it is incompatible with the standards expected of an experienced administrator. | |||
] (]) 02:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
==== Reply to Casliber ==== | |||
@]: I have no wish to treat this place as a battleground. If you think that's what I intended, you have misunderstood my entire posting. | |||
==== Reply to Doc James ==== | |||
@]: Speaking of battleground behavior, why do you say that people are getting "caught in the cross fire"? Please clarify where this "cross fire" is coming from because the gunman needs to stop, immediately. | |||
] (]) 08:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
=== Statement by Doc James === | |||
What is the dispute between ] / ] and I exactly? And what methods have been tried in the last year to address this? The evidence provided appears to be simply a random list of disputes I have been involved in over the last 8 years and 170,000 edits. | |||
Our poor ability to address undisclosed paid editing results in ongoing real life harassment of long term editors. It decreases AGF as long term editors, who frequently have paid editors trying to mislead them, become more suspicious. Good faith editors are than sometimes caught in the cross fire. ] (] · ] · ]) 07:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
::Frequent undisclosed paid editing and some of the dishonest techniques they employ make the editing community more suspicious of each other. Because the editing community is more suspicious generally they are more likely to bite new comers. Wishing that undisclosed paid editing stop is not going to make it happen. ] (] · ] · ]) 11:53, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
===Statement by uninvolved Softlavender=== | |||
<scratching head> {{U|RoseL2P}}, what is your particular dispute with Doc James? You're a semi-retired editor who hasn't made a single edit to Misplaced Pages mainspace since September 2015. This so-called case against Doc James seems to be nothing more than a trumped-up collection of a handful of minor infractions spread over 7 years. Suggest you withdraw this before it boomerangs on you. ] (]) 06:40, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
=== Statement by Shock Brigade Harvester Boris === | |||
Arbitration requests are not the Misplaced Pages equivalent of a ]. We can be tolerant of inexperienced editors who file specious cases. But someone who has been here four years, with over 15,000 edits and ''extensive'' prior experience with dispute resolution in general and arbitration in particular has no such excuse, and should be shown that there are consequences. ] (]) 14:30, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
===Statement by Awilley=== | |||
Last year I issued a stern warning to RoseL2P/A1Candidate about battleground behavior, and specifically about "focusing on contributors over content" and "abuse of Misplaced Pages processes to eliminate ideological opponents". Since then only 3 of their (100) edits have been to article space, while 70 have been in Misplaced Pages space, including participation in 2 arbcom cases/requests involving former opponents. When this request closes I intend to enforce the "boomerang" Softlavender mentioned, unless someone beats me to it. <span style="font-family:times; text-shadow: 0 0 .2em #7af">~] <small>(])</small></span> 04:45, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
=== Statement by Chris troutman === | |||
A cursory review of the so-called evidence doesn't show any wrong-doing on Doc James's part. While it's becoming clear ARBCOM won't accept this case I certainly hope there will be ] as we cannot have those who ] using these forums to harass our Wikipedians. <span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">] (])</span> 17:18, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
=== Statement by {Non-party} === | |||
Other editors are free to make relevant comments on this request as necessary. Comments here should address why or why not the Committee should accept the case request or provide additional information. | |||
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=== Doc James: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter <0/8/0/0> === | |||
{{anchor|1=Doc James: Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter}}<small>Vote key: (Accept/decline/recuse/other)</small> | |||
*'''decline''' - there has been some discussion concerning this issue as there is a disparity between the WMF and en.wiki positions. I note that {{u|HJ Mitchell}} has it to something like the present situation, but remind {{u|RoseL2P}} that wikipedia is not a battleground. I agree that some clarification from the WMF is needed on this to address the disparity. ] (] '''·''' ]) 07:44, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' as premature. Note that {{u|HJ Mitchell}}'s edit has been reversed. ] ] 14:20, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' as premature. ] (]) 16:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline'''. This is an attempt to make an arbitration case out of ancient news plus a report that wouldn't get traction at ], much less here. I'd go beyond "premature" and say this has the appearance of opportunism. Per Cas, decline with reminder to the filer about battleground behavior. ] (]) 18:36, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
* '''Decline''' as premature. --]<sup>(]) </sup> 19:42, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline'''. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;" class="texhtml"> ''']'''</span> ] 22:15, 1 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' as premature. ] <small>]</small> 03:08, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline'''. ] (]) 14:55, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' --] | ] 17:17, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' I don't think the problem is just "premature"-- that the dispute is not yet at the stage where arb is needed, but that this request is attempt to intensify a dispute, which is what we mean by "battleground" ''']''' (]) 22:04, 2 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
**DGG, I think the "premature" part points out possible, hypothetical future problems but, in the meantime, you are absolutely correct. ] (]) 02:10, 3 July 2016 (UTC) | |||
*'''Decline''' as premature. ] (]) 05:46, 3 July 2016 (UTC) |
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