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| *''']''', an adviser to ] ] quits, saying ] is "no longer free". 27 December 2005 (Tuesday) | |||
| * ''']''': Countries across Europe report reductions in gas supplies after ] disconnected supplies to ] yesterday. Russia accuses Ukraine of stealing 100 million cubic metres of gas yesterday from pipelines transiting the country; Ukraine denies this but has previously claimed the right to 15% of the gas as a transit toll. ] reports supplies are down by 40%, ] and ] by 30%, and ] by 14%. ], Russia's principal customer, also reports reductions. Russian supplier ] says that it will increase supplies and return them to normal by Tuesday night. ] ] (Monday) | |||
| ==Query about a Count Pahlen (governor of Wallachia and Moldavia)== | |||
| Hi everyone. I am currently involved in gathering info about an article on Russian administration in Wallachia and Moldavia (1828-1854). Romanian sources are quite casual in mentioning early Russian administrators, and I need to find out the full name (with ot without patronymic) of a certain Count Pahlen, a diplomat and concillor to the Czar, who served as governor of the two countries in between 1828 and February 1829. He is only mentioned by family name in the texts I am dealing with, and enwiki only has an article on his famous ancestor (father?). If you can help, please drop a note on my talk page. Many thanks. ] 17:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * I think this was Count Fyodor (or Fedor) Petrovich Pahlen (Федор Петрович Пален) (02.09.1780 - 08.01.1863), son of ]. According to http://www.genealogia.ee/genealogy-diplomat.htm Пален фон дер, Федор Петрович (Митава 02.09.1780 — Петербург 08.01.1863) — барон, граф (1798 г.), действительный тайный советник, член Государственного Совета, Новороссийский генерал-губернатор. Посвятил себя дипломатической карьере. При Российских посольствах в Стокгольме, Париже и Лондоне граф Пален подготовил себя к дипломатической работе. Затем был посланником в Вашингтоне (1809 — 1811 гг.), в Рио-де-Жанейро (1811-1815 гг.) и в Мюнхене (1815 — 1822 гг.). Сын графа Петра Андреевича Палена. I believe Moldavia and Wallachia were parts of the Novorossia Gubernia there the guy was the governor. ] 00:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Russian Misplaced Pages== | |||
| Я думаю все из вас знают что есть так же ]. Всё бы хорошо, да вот только многие статьи там очень маленькие и де факто стабы. У меня призыв ко всем. Мог бы каждый из вас когда пишет новую статью для английской википедии, так же делать русскую версию...? ] 17:06, 28 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : reply to Ghirlandajo. я не говорю о том, что всё должны дружно сесть и начать переводить всё статьи которые есть о россии и вообще в русскую википедию. я имею ввиду, что если кто-то делает новую статью для английской вики, то почему бы не сделать и русскую версию. всё же для родной страны тоже работать надо. ведь большинство народа в россии не знает английского... ] 17:15, 28 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Dear colleagues, the ] principle in the Russian part of the Wiki is at risk. If you are active in the Russian Wiki, take a look at ] and make your choice. The voting ends on August 29, 23:59 (UTC). | |||
| ::Коллеги, принцип проверяемости в русскоязычной части Википедии под угорозой. Если вы принимаете участие в редактировании русскоязычной части Википедии, обратите, пожалуйста, внимание на страницу ] и проголосуйте. Голосование заканчивается 29 августа в 23:59 (UTC). ] 17:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Missing category about Russia == | |||
| I stumbled upon the article about the film '']'' and found that there is no category to put it in. What do you think about the introduction something like ], ], ]? Any better ideas? `'] ] 05:47, 2 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| After some edit warring, it has been suggested that ] should be merged with ]. Please comment on ]. --] <sup>]</sup> 08:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Some guy persistantly likens the Spanish siege to ]. I suggested the comparison with ] or ] might be more appropriate but he reverts. Comments required. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==People's Artists of Russia/People's Artists of the RSFSR== | |||
| We have ] and ] can we somehow merge them? ] 23:09, 3 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Let's merge ] into ] and post the former cat for deletion. --] <sup>]</sup> 06:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Make sure that PA of RSFSR is automatically converted to PA of R. `'] ] 07:22, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::AFAIC, the title is the same in all but the name of the country. --] <sup>]</sup> 07:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Merge is done ] 08:13, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Thanks. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]: Outcome?== | |||
| There is a discussion on ] as to what was the outcome of that conflict. The article is routinely subjected to POV attacks such as the following additions: "Sentimental Finnish veterans frequently boast that for every one Finnish soldier who died, ten Soviets lost their lives in the Winter War" or "As a result of both arrogance and incompetence, the Soviets also failed to achieve a decisive superiority at the start of the war" (instead of "The Soviets failed to take advantage of their numerical superiority at the start of the war"). Please add the article to your watchlist. --] <sup>]</sup> 11:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Russian girl scouts== | |||
| Please voice your opinion about an unusual and IMO ridiculous insistence on the transliterated article title ] instead of normal translation ]. I am not even mentioning that the transliteraiton is with typo and altogether nonstandard. `'] ] 23:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| I just spotted this list and don't know what to make of it. It lists among Russian colonies, past and present, such territories as Belarus, Romania, Vienna, Vladivostok, Kuril Islands, Sakhalin, Amur, Kaliningrad, etc, etc. Do you think it's all right? --] <sup>]</sup> 13:51, 8 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Move at ] == | |||
| May be of interest to you.--] <sup><font color="green">]</font></sup> 19:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Edit war on Vorkuta == | |||
| An edit war has erupted over ]. It has now resulted in the locking of the page from editing. Please discuss the issues at ]. -- ] 08:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==How to categorize ] and ]?== | |||
| Today, I looked into ]... Gosh! Most articles here have major categorization problems. We have ] and ] but it is impossible to descend from them to most battle articles in that ]. Should we start something like ]? --] <sup>]</sup> 13:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :To complicate matters, ] already exists but it is underpopulated. And what about Wehrmacht operation? I can't make anything out of this. --] <sup>]</sup> 14:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==The scope of ]== | |||
| Please join the discussion at ] about whether the category should include ethnic Russians and Soviet people. ] 04:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Pd-Soviet tag== | |||
| *Copyright nazis are once again attacking our template, following their failure to remove it from en-wiki back in February they are now trying to take it down from commons ]. --] ] 15:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *:—] • (]); 19:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *::Somebody going to revert it? ] 20:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *:::Ezh you are an admin, if this nazi gets his way we are talking about losing some 1000+ images. Since when does he have the final word? Народ, это наплевательское отшения к нам нельзя позволять. --] ] 20:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *:::I have restored ] it to the original pre-assault version, Ezh permalock it from editing. --] ] 20:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Oops, I somehow missed this. Well done KK! -- ] <sup>]</sup> 20:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::If he continues, I will start spreading the word to ru-wiki. People we need to work together to crush this parasite. Spread the word to all ex-USSR wikipedias and portals. He upset a mountain, now he'll get an avalanche. --] ] 20:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: BTw, don't we need reverting ] too??? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 20:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::That was a clear abuse of admin power - ] I see no alternative. Someone draft it. --] ] 20:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::: Support. Anyone else thinks so (I hope :)? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:37, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::: more in Category:Pre-1973_Soviet_Union_images ] 21:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I have reverted the commons template itself, absoloutely everybody there is finding the suggesting ludicrous. --] ] 23:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Потому что этот Лупо ***** и *****... (ну всем понятно в общем, да? :) -- ] <sup>]</sup> 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: Everyone please have a look ] and support us in our defence against this silly copyright nonsense. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Keep an eye out for vandalism to these two templates, top is commons, bottom is enwiki. Revert immediately--] ] 23:55, 12 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| {{PD-Soviet}}{{PD-USSR}}. | |||
| Guys, I would stongly suggest that you stop personalizing this. Calling other editors nasty words such as "nazi" or "parasite" is a flagrant violation of ] and ]. ] 08:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :And twice neglect of our existance is NOT and a violation? And abuse of admin privliges? --] ] 12:09, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| In the meantime, can an admin revert , please? -- ] <sup>]</sup> 12:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I have started it ]. --] ] 12:23, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Statement part complete'''. Any user that still want the Easter Europe part of Misplaced Pages to live is wellcome to comment!!! -- ] <sup>]</sup> 13:02, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::я вообщем новенький во всех этих делах внутренних. подскажите что там надо сделать? просто подписаться где остальные подписались? ] 15:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::: Ага. -- ] <sup>]</sup> 15:29, 13 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Так чего у нас с лупо этим? . Он уже собирается полностью советские фото, которые моложе 70 лет... ] 00:39, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: Dear colleagues, I strongly recommend you to avoid comments in Russian. This is not ru.wikipedia, and the conversations should be conducted in English. It is just a brief comment about the form of the debate. As for the subject matter, the copyright law (whatever we may think of it) is (1) a tricky thing (2) a thing to be observed, and the issues raised by ] should be considered and made a subject of an intense research. ] 08:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Is it really matter? I was refereing directly to some people, who know Russian. Is it forbidden? It's Russian portal finally and it's not an article, but just discussion... Теперь вернусь на Русский, ибо не всё могу перевести. Я глянул ру.вики. Там есть тот же таг . Так вот насколько то важно, что советский закон не имел обратной силы? ] 13:15, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: It does. Because this is an English speaking community and this is impolite to speak here a language which can be not understood by some of the parties interested in the debate. After all, this looks like a Russian conspiracy plot, which does not make things better. | |||
| :::::: As for the template, the question is not whether the copyright law is retroactive (because it always is) but whether the images and texts published in Russia before 1973 can be considered as being in the ''public domain'' worldwide, especially in the USA, where the Misplaced Pages servers are physically present. After all, it will be not us, editors, but the Wikimedia foundation, who will be sued for copyright violations. This is not a matter of our national pride (which produces a lot of bias around this topic), this is a subject matter of a much needed research to be done. Personally, I do not have enough information to prove or disprove the Lupo's point. So, definitely, more research is needed. I've fonud most useful, but it rather poses questions than answers them. ] 17:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Take a look at template. Slowly they started attak on pictures that are under this license. At begin somebody updated it demanding to stop uploading pictures. ] 08:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| ] is listed at Requests for Expansion, so please expand. ] 07:38, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Categorisation by ] == | |||
| Please have a look at ], who has created a bunch of categories like ], ], ], ] or ], and appears to be populating them more or less randomly. --] 21:44, 16 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Should be posted for deletion. ] 07:10, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Why? We have ] why not ]? ] 07:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***The major difference is that ] can be defined rather accurately, being confined to Russia geographically. All those freshly created categories however are subcategories of a diffuse ], so subcategories may either relate to ethnicity or nationality. ] tend to be quite problematic. To provide a simple example, if you want to offend me call me an ''ethnic German''. ;) --] 11:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ****Well, it is fair. Supporting this cat we are asking for the rever wars. Was Dostoevsky a Belarusian-Russian or Polish-Russian or just Russian-Russian? Was Akhmatova - Tatar-Russian, etc. ] 00:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***** ] is a nice example too - I mean the terrorist, not the mayor ... ;>)]--pgp 16:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **Now all of them are listed for deletion at ]. --] 22:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Mayakovskoye == | |||
| I tried my best to get some Nazi sting out of ]. Problem: most of what I find in Google was indeed right wing German stuff - which did contain interesting points, however (like how the Red Army was only there for four hours, and a refugee convoy was nearby). Could anyone who is better at Russian and knows or finds some extra Russian material, please contribute? Oh, and is there anyone here who knows Esperanto - I do not know that lingo, but just looking at the names and figures is enough to tell you that it may not be Nazified, but needs some update to conform to what most modern German (!) commentators think. I can deal with the Dutch version. Ogromnoe spasibo! ]--pgp 16:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Prostitution in Russia == | |||
| I made some initial cleanup of the stupid article "]" (most probably written basing on a ] article) and moved it to a proper title. Does anyone else want to do something there? `'] ] 21:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Yerofey Khabarov == | |||
| Someone with an interest in Siberian history, please check into the whereabouts of ] in the late 1650s, and to any mention in Russian records of a conflict with ]/] forces in 1659. Thanks! -- ] 01:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Статью хотят ]. Предлагаю спасти её, улучшив. Заодно перейти от однобокого упоминания расстрелов польских военнопленных к полной выборке массовых расстрелов (гаранинские расстрелы и т. д.). ] 09:48, 26 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :English language is official here. Really. ''<font color="#990011">//</font>'']] 22:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Translation. They want to ] the article. I propose to save it by improving. Since we are here lets move from the one sided mentions of the executions of Polish POW to the whole history of the mass executions (e.g. Garanin's executions). ] Translated (and supported) by ] 23:20, 29 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: ]. Really. ;) ] 14:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Nyah, you got me wrong. Out of all the people out there sniffing conspiracies everywhere I'm probably among the very few who actually speak Russian ;) ''<font color="#990011">//</font>'']] 23:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :BTW, currently the article mentions three places in the USSR, but there were probably more. The article could surely benefit from some more Russian editors dropping in and adding more places to the list. (tell me I'm not going to regret this...) ''<font color="#990011">//</font>'']] 15:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Mayakovskoye again== | |||
| Well, one anonymous contributor branded the text as nationalist Polish and Russian propaganda. And Philp Baird Shearer ] is not helping with his reference problem. If anyone wants to help: please no Polish-Russian wars.]--pgp 20:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Russian names in other languages. Strange evolution. Or not? == | |||
| Just noticed when having a look at "my" Dutch version of Maya Plisetskaya that someone made a Polish stub "Maja Plisecka". No problem with "c", but the "ka" instead of "kaya" does not look to me like mere transliteration. Of course, it is the Polish Misplaced Pages - so Russian (or English or Dutch) speakers have nothing to do with that - but some people may want to take note of this strange phenomenon. ] | |||
| There is more - after I and Kuban Kazak changed Ludmilla Tourischeva (note the two "ll"s in Ludmilla) into Lyudmila Turishcheva, it was changed back in two stages. The point is of course that many googles give Turischeva, and so split the "u" vote ( there are slightly fewer googles for Turischeva than for Tourischeva). Note by the way ] that "Turishcheva" was even deleted from the list of alternative names in the article! And of course, I noticed that someone already changed the reference to her in the Grozny article... | |||
| And then there is ], who is called Winokurov in the German Misplaced Pages (correct transliteration) and Vinokoerov in Dutch Misplaced Pages (correct transliteration). Even the Polish version seems OK. But in the English one he is called Vinokourov. Next step "Vinocourov", perhaps? I am not really a party to this, but I cannot help noticing that Vinokurov redirects to ... ]] | |||
| == ] == | |||
| In connection with , I need a third opinion on whether Avvakum was executed for ] or not. It seems to me that he was burnt exactly for that, irrelevant of our current ideas of whether he was a heretic or not. Please voice your opinions on ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 16:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Finnish toponyms == | |||
| Historical nomenclature again... I don't think we have to write "] (Kaliningrad)" in Misplaced Pages, as long as we have redirects here. The Finnish editors think otherwise. They insist that the Swedish names of Finnish towns (e.g., Helsingfors) should be accompanied by their modern Finnish versions (e.g., Helsiniki), even in historic contexts, such as ]. This attitude has led to an outbreak of revert warring. Please voice your opinions on ]. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 17:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Chechnya == | |||
| Someone added a pargraph about Samashki to this article: | |||
| http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Chechnya&diff=next&oldid=55467156 | |||
| Problems: Samashki never had anything like 65,000 inhabitants. It is a village and had 15,000 inhabitants at the time (that I found in another source). The source of "Neutralaccounting" called it a town, Neutralaccounting switched it to a city... The date given in Misplaced Pages is also wrong (which is rather annoying as now the source is saying in Februari 1996 what "happened" in April 1996). I could change that myself, but I notice that because the guy does not even want to refer to the Russian version of the shooting of the elders, his text suggests that the Russian soldiers killed the elders at close range while they were approaching the troops - which is not "exactly" what Memorial and Kovalyov said really happened: "according to reports by village elders and by the Samashki village mullah, on April 7, when a group of elders, together with the mullah (eight people in all), returned to the village after negotiations with the Russian command, the two cars they were riding in were shot at by small arms fire. While there were bullet holes in the cars, fortunately no one was injured, with the exception of elder Ajalil Salikhov, whose finger was slightly wounded. The shots were fired from Russian troop positions." ] So what to do - I am afraid that if I simply delete, all hell will break loose.]--pgp 02:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Whoever looked at it in the past five days, probably noticed that Samashki is gone from the Chechnya article. ] deleted the entire passage - I suppose he thought the info in the the Checnya article was redundant with the info in the articles on the 1st and 2nd Chechen War - Samashki is in the 1st War article without Neutralaccounting's story. I will now have to watch whether someone puts that story there. It does mean that my remark on the Chechnya talk page is now superfluous. By the way, I noticed that Kocoum also deleted the reference to the violent takeover by Dudaev and the fenestration of Vitali Kutsenko. I am not relly sure that that should disappear - actually the passage was a mess, because it did not mention that all this (even Yandarbiev proclaiming jihad) happened while there was still a Soviet Union... Well, you have to look in Google's cache to find all that. ] | |||
| ]--pgp 15:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| I am trying to copy edit The Second Chechan War. I need some ideas on how to pare it down and tighten it up. I realize that this is an ongoing war, but the points get lost in all that detail. Is there someone who can help me out on this? ] 23:36, 10 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == WWII casualties == | |||
| I was reading ] article and noticed a figure of total losses in Eastern Front as 25-30mln. As far as i remember estimated Soviet losses lays between 27 and 44 mln. So does it mean, that this figure does not include nazi civilian and millitary losses from USSR? Or does this figure is only millitary losses on both sides? ] 11:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==History of Russian culture== | |||
| ] pomatrosili i brosili. Neglected completely. `'] ] 05:26, 9 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Not an easy stuff to write about :). Extremely time-consuming, but has to be done. ] 07:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Leshchenko == | |||
| This is new. I needed some time to elaborate on this (using Dutch and French material I have at home) and then to write an article on Serdce/Serdtse. Now believe it or not - ] wants to change and move this to Leschenko. This looks like a repeat of the revert war over ]. I suppose it was nutty of me to reply on the talk page there. Nevertheless: anyone who thinks that name should be Ukrainized (instead of Frenchified)? | |||
| That the name of the singer should be Leshchenko in ENGLISH (whatever the name may be in French or German - my Dutch version wil say Pjotr Lesjtsjenko) is obvious to me. I note that before Cmarm intervened, IN TEMPORE NON SUSPECTO (as they say in law courts) there were two references in English Misplaced Pages to Pyotr Leschenko (i.e. Roma music and Alla Bayanova), six to Pyotr Leshchenko and none at all to Petr Leschenko, cmarm's proposal. | |||
| By the way, I notice that there is a ] article, which does not mention Serdce/Serdtse as yet. So - perhaps the question will arise soon: which version to use "scholarly" serdce or BGN/PCGN "serdtse"? It is not a family name. I would personally opt for "serdtse", however. | |||
| Anyone who will support me in a possible new revert war? | |||
| ]--pgp 08:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Moving frenzy == | |||
| Apart from ] affair, I noticed that ] was moved to ] and ] was moved by Halibutt to ], for no apparent reason. Please share your thoughts weather the new names are appropriate (e.g., why Fedorovich not Fyodorovich)? --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 13:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Wait, what's our policy on patronymics in titles? - <b>]</b><small> ]/]</small> 13:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::I believe patronymics should be used to distinguish the guys with identical first names. What we need to decide is whether the spelling of ё is proper. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 14:12, 16 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I explained the reason at at least two talk pages, so the above comment by Ghirlandajo is quite misleading. While I believe patronymics are not always necessary (just like middle names in Western culture and first surnames in the Hispanic world), at times they come in handy in cases like this, where two guys (a father and a son, BTW) share the same name and surname. ] and ] seem a more natural choice than, say, ] and ]. ''<font color="#990011">//</font>'']] 12:42, 17 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Novodevichy Cemetery== | |||
| I just finished a major expansion of the ]. I say we need a category for people buried there. Perhaps for other cemetries as well. ] 06:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Category:Russian books == | |||
| ]. Please consider the useness of this category and how to populate it. Compare it with "sibling" categories. I think it is useful at least for for historical books. Modern books better be classified according to genres (novels, books in history, etc.) `'] ] 23:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Jagello== | |||
| Your history also had its continuous links with the ruler whose naming discussion has a new approval poll, to discuss the matter of how to name the article currently at ]. Interested editors are invited to participate, at ]. ] 20:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Carnildo and copyrights== | |||
| *] launched a campaign to delete images from ], viz, ], ], and ]. it's not clear to me why he doesn't delete similarly tagged images from ] or ]. Copyright savvy guys, please help defend the pictures. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 09:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *:Unfortunately http://www.ogoniok.com/copyrights/ explicitely forbids usage without permission, specifically mentioning photos. `'] ] 00:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *::OK, then we should find a non-ogonyok version, see . --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 07:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| It seems that placing the coors at the top of the page is now standard. See , for example. I upgraded ] and ] but there are many other articles with coordinates in the text. We need volunteers to update the Russian articles to the new standard. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 10:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| This article brings shame to the wikipedia there is a lot of speculation "tank-mounted flame-throwers to ward off the dogs"?, "forcing the retreat of an entire Soviet division"? - we all know what the NKVD did to deserters. I have been unable to find aby good English or Polish reference sources for this article. I have heard that the Anti-tank dogs were really a bluff since the concept was a total failure, but they were praised by soviet propaganda in order to fool the Axis and Western militaries into developing their own Anti-tank dogs and counter-Anti-tank dog tactics. Perhaps you could help? ] 18:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Russian templates vandalism== | |||
| Some jealous non-Soviet and non-Russian speaking guys have deleted some very popular humorous template about political parties -- ]. The template was used by quite a significant number of users (specifically, compared to other boring political templates all across the board), and being deleted for more than a month, it is still being linked from quite some user pages (9), where other political templates are linked by a very few number of people (usually no more than 5). Я не очень знаком со здешними правилами, пожалуйста, может кто-нибудь с этим разобраться? Я пока добавил данную статью в ]. Спасибо. ] 11:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :The reason given by the deleting admin in the deletion summary is that it failed T2 - which is "The template is redundant to another better-designed template". So maybe there is a newer version somewhere?--] 12:04, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Well, I've created three templates back in the day: CPRF, LDPR and LDPR:Zhirinovsky. Zhirinovsky template, if I remember correctly, said "This user finds Vladimir Zhirinovsky quite entertaining". :) Obviously, this template was very popular, and still being deleted for about a month, it seems to be more popular than all other Russian political templates all together. Thanks for your explanation, I hope that this template could be restored soon. ] 22:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Jotuner's controversial edits of ]== | |||
| Somebody, named Joturner just came to ] artcle and started editing it fully for his own. Additionally he started additing many ridiculous references and citation needed boxes. Like for fact that Napolenic army was stopped because of no food and cold or for about same for WWII. Also he protecting many references that going to bad online translators and to small known sites and newspapers, that making article looks like childish job, instead of good seriously look. ] 16:44, 5 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *I agree. Please revert or modify it. --] 21:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ** tell him here please ]. ] 07:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| * I did not start to edit the article ''fully for own''. Anyone can work on any article, and I would appreciate it if you didn't that only Russian-language sources are reliable. It's not my article indeed, but it doesn't belong to only Russians either. In , you removed a source from the ], two sources from '']'', one source from the official site for ] (which ''is'' in Russian), three sources from three different universities, one source from the Moscow Tourist Information Center, and one source from a Russian journal. These are most certainly reliable sources. And contrary to what you appear to believe, articles that look less childish (and more professional) have references. Just take a look at any ]. ]]] 13:01, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| *Please look at the lack of neutrality and factuality in the ] article. The article is very biased to overestimate the ] and underestimate the quality of life in ]. Some of the facts about the ] are also not factual or are poorly written. It should be corrected as soon as possble. --] 21:28, 5 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **ROTFLMAO. `'] ] 07:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***Sorry, I'm not getting what's so funny?—] • (]); 15:20, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *** Me neither... -- ] <sup>]</sup> 19:53, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| **** Take a look into things user:tjoturner is questioning in ]. I find it funny that they find everyday russian life unbelievable. `'] ] 21:14, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ***** Indeed, quite sad to see that. For me it was buses not trains though... :) -- ] <sup>]</sup> 21:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| This guy, overjoyed at the absence of his shadow Deng, systematically changes "Nazi Germany" to Germany when referring to the Nazi occupation of Russia during WWII (). He refuses to discuss the problem on talk and is eager for revert warring. Please intervene. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 16:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Administrative terminology about Moscow city == | |||
| There is a mismatch in terminology in ] and ] articles. in terms of choice of words "administrative/municipal" and "district/okrug/raion". Moskali, please make an order (in the whole ]). `'] ] | |||
| #"Moskali" is a colloqual name for russians in Ukraine ("Hohland"). | |||
| #Moscow citizans are "moskovites" (москвичи) | |||
| #What's wrong with ]? There are no direct match for "okrug" or "raion" in english (or too much of them) | |||
| :--] 07:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : mikka, it's not very good posting such low insults. moskali is very insulting word, and i'm sure you know it. ] 21:27, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Related discussion== | |||
| Hey, there is a discussion (and poll) going down at ], as this is historically and geographically related, we'd appreciate your input. - ] ] 11:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Transliteration redux== | |||
| Can't anybody work out precise rules of Russian transliteration at last? With current guidelines, every spelling is possible. Therefore guys move ] to ], back to ], then to ], etc, etc, which results in a redirect mess. The same situation with ], which was moved to ] and back again. Nixer constantly moves Moscow railway stations to and fro. Why can't we decide which spelling should be preferred in WP once and for all? --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 10:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :There is a GOST for it: . One may chose . I'd notice that a GOST is a russian '''law'''. --] 10:51, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :: I think we have to create our own policy since these two are slightly (and even not so slightly) outdated. And using a ž for ж bothers my conscience... :)) -- ] <sup>]</sup> 11:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::What's wrong with GOST? Cyrillic and latin alphabets have not changed much over that time. GOST doesn't use any diacritic and other odd chars. And ''zh'' for ''ж'' looks pretty fine for me. --] 14:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::: As for GOST, й transliterated jj is kinda weird too. Never seen anything like that personally... -- ] <sup>]</sup> 14:54, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::::: Since nothing is transliterated as "j", that "jj" must be a misprint. "jo" for ë probably is too, since they have "yu" and "ya" elsewhere. Not sure, however. Are there any other sources for this norm?--] 15:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::::: Obviously, this is well post-talk remark, but there are different problem domains, for which different standards may apply. Therefore, scientifical, bibliographical, cartographical etc., e.g., all-CIS GOST 7.79-2001 (verbatim ISO 9:1995) for bibliographicals, Belarusian ] for cartography. Also there are such things as ]. BTW, I may be mistaken but GOST 16876-71 is possibly obsoleted, and superceded by (I don't remember what). ---] 14:12, 21 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| Hmm, I can't believe I missed this discussion. You folks surely are aware that ] is alive and kicking, and that's what we are supposed to use until something different emerges through ]? GOST was deemed to be a poor choice because it is unintuitive to English speakers (we are editing the English edition of Misplaced Pages here, remember?) and generally not common in English academic works and media. On the other hand, as Ghirla rightfully noted, WP:RUS is ambiguous in some cases, but isn't it a good enough reason for all those who care to kick catatonic WP:CYR in the butt and start participating, hopefully getting rid of ambiguities and inconsistencies once and for all? If we end up with using different conventions for different cases, as Yury suggested above and of which I thought more than on one occasion in the past, so be it, but let us at least define these cases, assign a transliteration convention to each, document the whole thing, and adopt it as a policy. I don't mind having to do all the work myself, but I really despise the thought of having to hunt uncaring Russian editors down one by one and then begging them to participate in the discussion and voting, so the final result could be called a "consensus" and not "stuff that crazy Ezhiki came up with and then passed it as a policy".—] • (]); 17:59, 21 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : GOST 16876-71 was superceded by GOST 7.79-2001 (inter-CIS standard) in 2002. On the other hand, GOST 7.79 is the ISO 9:1995, verbatimly translated. System (or table) B of the GOST 7.79 is quite adequate, as it uses only '''`''' ("weak stress sign") in-line at that, however, even this look of words may be quite unusual for all concerned. Does one have to learn the ISO 9/GOST 7.79 just to write or even read WP, eh? Of course, BGN is the best choice. All said, the ISO/GOST was created in order to facilitate univocal transliteration. And who would really really need it here in WP? ---] 07:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Beslan victim list== | |||
| If somebody will help transliterate the names of the victims, killed and survivors, of the Beslan massacre, we'll make a sub-page like there are for the terror attacks 9/11 (New York) and 7/7 (London). I know it's a big work, but there's something about putting on names and ages that will help to make it more real and not just another statistics. The names are here: http://www.beslan.ru/mainlist.html | |||
| 7/7 list: | |||
| 9/11 list: ] 13:01, 13 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| : ] ] 11:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Help == | |||
| Hello. Can someone please transliterate list of places listed at ]. Thank you. - ] 13:06, 23 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :done --] 11:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you very much ;) - ] 16:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] template == | |||
| Should we create a template listing the Hero Cities? --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 12:04, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Why not? It'd be a useful one.—] • (]); 15:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::Then go ahead (I don't edit Soviet topics). --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::Crap, how is it always that I make an innocent comment and end up with more work? :) No problem, though; I'll take care of it.—] • (]); 16:32, 24 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Help. Copyright of the Beslan video == | |||
| The terrorists of the Beslan school massacre, recorded a video of their exploits. I have taken a screenshot therefrom and uploaded to wikipedia:commons. Now I get trouble by people saying its a copyright violation. I'd say the recording belong to the Russian state which has released it to the public, but others claim the terrorists owns it. Are there some Russian copyright law that can be used here? ] 12:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Anyway, russian law will not help you much. It's an "international" issue. God damn the ©. --] 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :Basically, there's no way you can store it on Commons. Upload it here as ], and don't forget to provide a rationale. ] 14:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Russian language== | |||
| Hello. Do you think some template like {{]}} should be created for Russian language ? Any ideas ? - ] 15:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I find the Arabic template very useful in cleaning up articles, and there seem to be people who can read Arabic who fix them. Getting the original spelling in the article makes it more complete and makes it easier to find or check interwikis. I think there should be a similar template for all non-Roman alphabets/writing systems. I would suggest there be a single template for all Cyrillic alphabet languages (which is the case with the Arabic template). ] 21:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ::This sounds good. There are surely more Russian language-users than Arabic so I think we can keep it real. Would you go ahead and create that template? - ] 09:27, 2 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :::I have created it at ] and placed the articles needing cleanup at ] (now empty, since I don't know any articles needing it off the top of my head). Tag away! ] ] 16:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==onpointradio.org caller criticism== | |||
| Listen to the 12 minute and later of the . some very serious criticism of Russia-related Misplaced Pages articles. Comments? ] 22:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| Does Russian have alternative words for Germans, as in slang? If so please add them, with a small explanation and perhaps translation at the following article: ''']'''. Thanks in advance, ] 15:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == Disputes involving ] == | |||
| Russian editors are welcome to state their opinions on ], where some guy dismisses information that it was Germany that started WWII as "racism". Nixer is the only Russian editor opposing all this revisionism now. He is also involved ], where his opinions are indefensible, I believe. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 10:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == ] == | |||
| Please take a look at this list. It mentions ] and ] as former national capitals of Ukraine but fails to mention Vladimir, Novgorod and Kiev as former capitals of Russia. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 15:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Letopis vs Khronika== | |||
| From : | |||
| :Несмотря на то, что за рядом публикуемых в томе памятников закрепилось название «хроника», все они являются летописями, так как записи в них ведутся по годам | |||
| Please explain | |||
| *the difference, | |||
| *its importance | |||
| *whether this difference is reflected in English terminolory | |||
| **If not then whether it should be | |||
| Thank you, `'] ] 20:11, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't think the difference is material; it is not reflected in English usage, to the best of my knowledge. --<font color="FC4339">]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">]</font></sup> 07:04, 18 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| == -ra == | |||
| Can someone explain the following grammatical form in Russian language: | |||
| *deti->detvora | |||
| *nemtsy->nemchura | |||
| *...figa->figura (kidding :-) | |||
| BTW, is there a reverse Russian vocabulary somewhere online? | |||
| Thx, `'] ] 20:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==]== | |||
| The article is currently <nowiki>{{prod}}</nowiki>ed. Could someone take a look whether it is notable enough? ] 16:33, 26 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| *Google gives 28K references on his cyrillic name http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGGL,GGGL:2006-16,GGGL:en&q=%D0%91%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81+%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2 | |||
| Most are quite impressive. ] 00:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC) | |||
| ==Some sources of free Russian-related pictures== | |||
| * According to all Russian and Soviet stamps are <nowiki>{{PD-RU-exempt}}</nowiki> | |||
| * See also {{MosNews}} (<nowiki>{{MosNews}}</nowiki>) and {{Kremlin.ru}} (<nowiki>{{Kremlin.ru}}</nowiki>) | |||
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