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Hello

I will file an RfC against you if you harass me any further. She does not have any relation to me; you can tell this by going through her contributions and judging by her writing-style. We do, however, share similar interests, but not very strong interests. Remove your ridiculous comment. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Still with us then? You must behave in whatever fashion you see fit - I merely pose the question I am sure most other editors are wondering. You are the architect of your own misfortune. Giano | talk 21:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

You are the epitome of hell. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

So my adversaries never tire of telling me Giano | talk 21:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It's true enough that the question immediately occurred to me. It looks relatively unlikely, though. I sure wouldn't want to be nominated by such a puppetmaster though. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Beautiful. —Eternal Equinox | talk 21:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

No I'm sorry Eternal you can't be Marilyn, cos we all know she is dead, that sock would not last 5 minutes. What about Edith Piaf, she was dreary little woman too, that might last a little longer. Other than that I can't think of anyone else you could be Giano | talk 21:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Maybe God? —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:05, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well I see his page his page is protected just like yours, but I don't think so. Anyhow don't let me keep you, run along now and play outside. Giano | talk 22:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm already outdoors. —Eternal Equinox | talk 22:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Giano, be careful!

Oh, noes, file an RFC! Giano, are you mad, to invite such a fate? Prepare yourself for hell, that's all. Bishonen | talk 02:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC).

Hell is other people's baked goods. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I may be slow but...

Don't say I don't do anything for you. -- Francs2000 21:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, my house! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

It may look posh but it's actually quite small inside. Probably why this style of construction didn't catch on in Aylesbury... -- Francs2000 22:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

PS there's these two as well, in case you're interested. -- Francs2000

Thanks Graham, that's terrific, but it doesn't look like I remembered from almost 25 years ago, it's surely the end of a mostlye demolished building. Anyhow hopefully that will be the incentive to finih the page. BoG stop stalking my page or I will RFC you! Giano | talk 06:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Bring it!—Bunchofgrapes (talk) 15:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Well in 1860 it looked like this, with Long Lional still running along the side of it separating it from the White Hart. Again in 1911 it was exactly the same. Perhaps your memory is playing tricks with you? -- Francs2000 09:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I've just noticed Graham - why are you flying the tricolor, I though you would have supported England in the world cup? Giano | talk 16:52, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Having trouble counting to three, dear? Those are the six stripes of the rainbow flag. Bishonen | talk 16:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC).

Oh!!! I hadn't got my glasses on. Giano | talk 17:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Engerlaaand, Engerlaaand, Engerland Engerland la laaaa

In all the time that you've known me do I appear to be the sort of person who would even understand football, leave alone shown flags in support of it? For Eurovision, no problem, maybe even for the Olympics. Right now I just wish the World Cup would go away... -- Francs2000 17:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I believe the phrases that Francs2000 was looking for were "In-ger-ler-ernd" and "we are going to score more goals than you". -- ALoan (Talk) 09:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah well, I'm sure someone will score some goals for you, but will it be England, hohohohoho! Dream on ALoan! Giano | talk 14:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Well thank you Giano, the Italian flag has been printed off and is flying from my car as we speak. What's that noise, it sounds like glass breaking followed by a car alarm...? -- Francs2000 15:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

FYI

You might be interested in Misplaced Pages talk:Featured article review#FAs with citation problems. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 20:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

No I'm not interested! If people prefer to make lists of the shortcomings of others work, rather than write FAs themselves, then that is a pity for them! But thanks for bringing it to my attention Giano | talk 21:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

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exemplar of 2a prose

Hi Giano

I note your views concerning the new referencing requirements for FAs, the thorny issue of how it affects existing FAs, and the debate you had with Wackymacs about it.

I thought you'd like to know that I've been asked a few times for examples of model prose in FAs, and I recommended Sanssouci.

Tony

Excellent - so, to create the perfect article, we simply copy and translate something from German Misplaced Pages (for its precise phrasing and formal grammar), pass through an Italian (for flair and panache), and add a few other bits and pieces (including a soupçon of English fiddler, and a dash of Australian). -- ALoan (Talk) 11:01, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually ALoan, I have just read that properly, you are being bloody rude! I did a complete hatchet job on Sanssouci, through out most of it, imported other bits, and still managed to keep the original, nominating, authoring editors (who had done the real hard work) happy. Called in you and the others for back-up, all in the space of the week it was on FAC. Sanssoucci was not so much an FA as a fucking miracle! Giano | talk 20:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Rude, moi? Shome mishtake, shirley. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:57, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanyou Tony. So basically what I've always said write it, and then get your mates to check it and their ten pence worth! Giano | talk 12:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton

Thanks for your note. The MGC’s time there is only a very short part of Belton’s history but it is an important one in that the corps was a significant link in the chain of events and organizations which won the First World War. My brother knows more about this subject than I do and I shall be seeing him before the end of the month so I’ll let you know what references he has. Meanwhile, there are some bits and pieces available, though you have probably found them already by Google search. http://www.1914-1918.net/mgc.htm summarizes the MGC’s history but with no more than a mention of Grantham. (The depot was in the southern end of Belton Park, which runs into the northern end of Grantham so in this connection, for Grantham, you can read Belton. Indeed, some of modern Grantham is on land which was formerly wartime military camp but I believe that most of the army property outside the park was used by non-MGC units. The Misplaced Pages article Machine Gun Corps repeats the story and is based on material from The MGC Old Comrades’ Association. The link in the article is now dead but seems to have been replaced by this one http://www.machineguncorps.co.uk/ . There is a bibliography on http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/MGC.htm#monu . There are several links like this http://www.ozigen.com/tree/p621.htm ,which mention training at Belton but are brief . However, this gives a little more incidental detail http://www.jjhc.info/heathleopold1966.htm . Here we get a hint of the conditions there http://walterwildgoose.blogspot.com/ . (RJP 21:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Belton House footnotes

/me is ashamed. I'm sorry! I abase myself in apology! I went medieval on the Footnote Extravaganza! I couldn't stand it — you realize there are as of now only FOUR actual references that you've used? And all those footnotes went on and on making a full meal of each of those four books over and over... I'm sorry, I couldn't stand it, it was killing me. Revert if you don't like it (and if you wish to kill me). Meanwhile, please add places of publication in the References section, where I've indicated it, and if you have the books handy. (Incidentally, what I've done is a simple standard reader-friendly academic-journal system, as used in the balloon article, and as opposed to a Special Barbed Wire Wikipedian Erudite-Looking Weirdness Used Nowhere Else.) Bishonen | talk 21:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC).

Well done - it needed doing. I was leaving it for another round of copyediting.

Kinsman, eh? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:41, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmph! Well what is the word I wanted then? Giano | talk 09:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Whyn't you just read my edit summary? The word is cool. Having it linked is bad. The link leads to an article about Kinsman as a surname. I unlinked it. Bishonen | talk 09:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC).

My fault for linking it, most likely. Why haven't we got an article on kinsman (not as a surname)? We could move the current one to Kinsman (surname). -- ALoan (Talk) 09:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

DYK

On June 17, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Belton House, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

smurrayinchester 21:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Nice houses

Nice work on expanding Belton House from an outhouse of an article to a castle! ... and also your many other architectural articles. Have a nice mansion as a memento! With regards and respect... ++Lar: t/c 21:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you Giano | talk 22:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

A little more work and condensing before it is finished yet, but thanks. I am quite smugly please with the lead foto, and the garden and church one. Amazing as I just poited the camera and fired, no fiddling and twiddling at all. Giano | talk 08:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton House Images

I notice that you've uploaded all of the images that you took of Belton House as GIFs. GIF is not a suitable format for the image types you have uploaded. It is limited to 256 colours and is suited to diagramatic files and simple shapes. Photographs are far better uploaded as JPEGs. David Newton 21:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't know the difference, I just upload from the camera to the computer, and then computer to wikipedia - some hidden robot somewhere does all the GIF and JPEG stuff, nothing to do with me! Giano | talk 22:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Check out Imagemagick, it can convert stuff for you. Most modern cameras save as jpeg already... ++Lar: t/c 22:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

They look beautiful on Firefox. Splendid article, Giano. Among your best. --Wetman 02:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Apologies

Regarding Neo-Renaissance, please accept my apologies if i have been discourteous. I stumbled across the article and it didn't seem to have been edited (other than the odd tweak) for about a month, I was impressed by it's quality and so was bold and submitted for peer review. No offence was intended, actually the reverse. --Mcginnly 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't worry. Ghirla and I have undertaken a mammoth 19th century project and are taking our time so we don't loose interest and entheusiasm. Giano | talk 08:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

• Good stuff. By the way, whilst architectural history isn't exactly my field. I do remember a lecture once where I was told that Ruskin argued that; Venetian gothic was a particularly apt style for mercantile buildings (for obvious reasons). There's a profusion of examples in manchester such as:- and and and and and . If you'd like me to get some photographs for your article I don't live too far and I'd be glad to help. Regards --Mcginnly 19:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Willoughby marriage

You got your message in very smartly. I had altered the link then noted the problem you pointed out. While I was still trying to reconcile the pieces of information, I got notification of your communication. My easiest course is to revert my alteration but that would still leave the question of which Lord Willoughby the dead daughter was lined up for. There were two lines of Lords Willoughby, de Eresby and of Parham. They were on opposite sides in the Civil War. I guess that your source does not make the matter clear, as you have not already clarified the matter in the article. The de Eresby line was the one prominent in Kesteven. You will of course have noted the Baron Willoughby de Eresby article. I shall leave it to you to revert my meddling so that our actions do not conflict. Sorry. (RJP 20:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC))

BP

I saw that you made a comment that came and went. Apologies if you don't like the changes - he is only trying to help. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton House

So? Let me know when (if) you'd like a bit of a copyedit. Sillily, I haven't actually read the article yet, it strikes me. And how would you like those notes? (I'm only trying to help, too... ). Bishonen | talk 19:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC).

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Greetings!

Greetings, Giano!
I've been away for about six weeks. I am pleased to see some of my articles have been patrolled in my absence (e.g. Katie Holmes). Haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing? PedanticallySpeaking 16:53, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The south front

Yeah, yeah, it may have been known as the south front, but isn't "south" rather awkward for an encyclopedia entry? I'm going to change it to "north", a much more encyclopedic word. Bishonen | talk 21:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC).

Please do not attempt to disrupt me, when angered I am extremely unpleasant, nasty and vindictive, not too mention vitriolic and grudge bearing, and I may just shoot that balloon out of the fucking sky......OK? Giano | talk 21:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Surely that's the back not the front? Paul August ☎ 21:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't push it sunshine! Giano | talk 21:47, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, I'm sorry, but I really am that picky! All right, I have a compromise suggestion: "southernmost." This is my final word. Bishonen | talk 22:13, 21 June 2006 (UTC).

Belvedere caption

What on earth are the machine gun corps and so on doing in the image caption to the "belvedere" pic? They seem quite extraneous. Are they hiding behind the trees? Also the link belvedere goes to a disambiguation page. Please check it out. You may have to edit the disambiguation, because I can't tell what to link to from it. Bishonen | talk 12:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

It is Belvedere (structure), the army are hiding in the trees because they were based in the park during the wars, take them out if you like, I just thought ir was nice to give them a plug! I'm like that kind, caring and thoughtful. I won't edit in case you are in there. Giano | talk 12:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Help!

Help, I've linked overthrow! Now you're gonna have to write a stub and a disambiguation! (Incidentally dream team was a powerfully useless link.) Bishonen | talk 16:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Rosing Park

Hello, Giano, the World Cap distracts me from Misplaced Pages these days, yet I don't give up and even started to revise Baroque architecture, where the coverage of English and French Baroque is limited to a couple of disjointed sentences. I'm not sure that I will be able to add anything informative without an expert's help, however. I liked your Belton House immensely. As for Rosing Park, I have a DVD with a documental about the locations where the last year adaptation was filmed. Burghley House seems a little too grand for the social milieu described in the novel, don't you think? Belton House suited the role so much better. But then the new film is full of other anachronisms, you know. --Ghirla 18:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I cannot agree that the St. Pete Duma is Gothic. I thoroughly concur with your assessment of the Berlin Town Hall, its similarity with the Belfry of Bruges cannot be overlooked. --Ghirla 18:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the Italian squad was lacklustre in the Saturday match. Back in 1948, La Squadra Azzurra beat the Yanks 9:0. What, do you want to turn back the time? :) --Ghirla 18:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

• Hmph! We have no need to turn back the clock. You ain't seem nothing yet! Forza Italia. Point me again at the St Pete's I said was Gothic, I'll have a second look Giano | talk 18:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

  

Well, it so happens that I completed Mansfield Park a week ago and my head is still full of this book. I recollect that the director of the latest film justified his choice of Burghley House by saying that Lady Catherine personifies the old-money gentry. I believe it was the similarity of names - Bourgh, Burghley - that made them connect the two. Belton House worked fine for me in the older film, although I agree that it was not that modern. If you want a modern house, you should review these in the first place. It's quite unlikely that Capability Brown has had a hand in this project, however. I will add more observations to the talk page later --Ghirla 17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation...

Sorry to keep inventing stubs for you to write, but Saloon is also a dab page. Bishonen | talk 20:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Er. And I've linked enfilade. Uh, it turns out to be a military concept only. Dab page needed. Well... how could I not have linked it? Bishonen | talk 20:17, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Mmmm, yeah. You've linked dilettante, I see. Needs a stub, sorry. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Er? What?

The "Great Dining Room" takes its name from the chequer-board floor? Not getting it. Bishonen | talk 20:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Neither do I, it shoulf be the Marble Hall! Giano | talk 21:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Why would you play marbles on a checkerboard? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you all being deliberatly obtuse? I do I really have to expain what a chequer board floor is? Giano | talk 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Does it have something to do with the Chancellor of the Exchequer? Oh, these crazy British things just give me a headache! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

• Then take an aspirin. If you don't know BoG, I'm certainly not going to tell you Giano | talk 22:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Mail. Bishonen | talk 22:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

Nominate!

Nominate now! Bishonen | talk 22:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC).

about a Belton House ref

"Halliday, E. E. (1967). Cultural History of England. London: Thames and Hudson"

While looking for ISBNs to compelte the article's references, I've found plenty of references about either this or an "Illustrated Cultural History of England", but almost all of them are credited to a "F E Halliday", allother things (editor and year) being identical. Could you look up whether or not your copy has an ISBN or full author name somewhere to confirm? Circeus 23:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Giano's gone to bed, Circeus, he's on European time. I'm sure you can assume that your book is the one intended, and that the "E.E." is just a Freudian typo. Bishonen | talk 00:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC).

I never expected him to answer on short term. I just like to check things thoroughly. Circeus 14:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton House

So you took the pics; does that mean you live in England, not Sicily as I'd assumed? Tony 09:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for your support Tony, I appreciate it. "Assumed" didn't some one once say that "assume" makes an "ass of U and me"? - Lets just say I am a very well travelled mongrel;-) Giano | talk 13:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Re: Belton House

I'm not too familiar with them myself, but I think I've managed to get it to produce something sensible now. Kirill Lokshin 13:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Ghirlandajo

How well do you know Ghirlandajo? (you can reply here, I've watchlisted you) Ideogram 20:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Belton House measurements

No problem on those measurements...they must not want anyone to take pictures? I wonder what the purpose of that is...maybe so they can sell theirs? Though I am one of those natural resources people, I admire architectural achievements of all types. Supposedly, my ancestors had Shirley Plantation built and also Carter's Grove...I must have been descended from one of the younger sons...you know primogeniture! Oh well, good job on Belton.--MONGO 21:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

• Personally I think primogenture is marvellous. But you have a couple of potential FAs there. Yes they do sell their fotos, and sadly I have yet to perfect the art of mobile phone photography, especially when looking furtively over the shoulder at a elderly lady who is a National Trust guide, giving the impression of having won both world wars single handedly for the British. I shall keep seeking for the dimensions. Giano | talk 22:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

A request

Hi Giano, we've never really met, except that I have voted to support a couple of your FAs. I have noticed, though, that you've made great contributions to architectural topics, and I wanted to propose something to you which you might like to consider. You might be busy now with Belton House or other things, I am busy at the moment as well, finding footnotes and preparing Expressionist architecture for PR, so the time frame for me is not to really start for a couple more weeks. I wanted to see if you wanted to help collaborate on the article Architectural theory. Right now it is a very short stub, but I think it has potential and after my current project am going to devote most of my efforts towards this article. It seems to me that you are more fit to cover Vitruvius and Palladio, and maybe more than I am, and wanted to offer this for you to consider collaborating or just to hear your opinions. By the way that animated compound tetrahedra is amazing. DVD+ R/W 20:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

• Goodness me! That is a huge subject, I'm not sure that it can even be covered in one limited encyclopedia article. At the moment I am involved with a massive 19th century architecture project, which I am already neglecting, and I have also just agreed to a collaboration on another major project - so I really do not have the time at present for what would have to be a very highly re-searched and referenced page. I shall certainly put it on my watch list and add anything that comes to mind I think necessary as it arises. Thanks for asking me. Good luck with it Giano | talk 12:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

E.E

Yes, I'm aware of the RFA against her, and I do plan to comment. However, I'm a bit busy with work, so this will have to wait until tomorrow. Regards. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 19:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Ho, hum, another day, another Giano FA

Congrats on Belton House, GIFs and all! —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, yawn, another FA? Thanks for reverting the troll, btw. I've indef-blocked the account now (and the IP for one week). Bishonen | talk 22:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC).

Thanks for the good wishes, I never really understood all that GIF business so was glad it passed in case there was a pile on on the subject. Funnily enough some kind soul (I think it was Brian 007 or (whatever he is called) did convert it to a ping or whatever but it just put the house bang on the tilt (English say: on the piss) which I hade edited out in the first place. I seem to become more confused by the moment these days. Giano | talk 15:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

West Wycombe Park: naive and unencyclopedic - well, we were all young once. How many aliases have you got? -- ALoan (Talk) 21:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

• I haven't a clue what you are talking about ALoan, you've obviously been drinking far too much of that disgusting warm beer in the today's lovely sunshine. Giano | talk 22:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

RFAR

The RFAR has been accepted, did you notice? Not "opened" yet, though: you'll get an official message from a "clerk" when it is. Bishonen | talk 23:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC).

I took a look. Oh dear, at least one of the earlier names of that person rings a discordant bell. Yes, "I'm leaving Misplaced Pages now!" (and coming back with a different name next week). What a pain in the posterior. -- Hoary 14:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Mentmore

That description from the seventies: would anyone of your acquaintance happen to be able to come up with any reason for it not to be called "original research"? -- Hoary 14:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Fire in de hole

OK, I'm starting something for John Vanbrugh Enterprises right now! The bits of text are from the present wiki article, and my headings will probably be gone without a trace soon. You know me, I begin at snail's pace. And if we're lucky I pick up speed and and end in a tortoise-like rush. There is an embarras de richesse of material for it, but the problem is to swallow the "Through eyes misted with tears, Thomas cast a final look..." type of narrative of the fat library books I've got. I'm looking high and low for a drier, to me more palatable, account to complement the fat books--something like a chapter in a general social history of London, perhaps. Please give me a shout if you find anything suitable. Good that you're packing the books! :-) Bishonen | talk 21:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Comment removal

Why are you removing legitimate good-faith comments from other users' talk pages? Please respond here rather than on my talk page.Timothy Usher 09:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Please read Bishonen's edit summary. Thank you Giano | talk 10:03, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you her keeper? The reason I ask is this: I want to know whose comments to remove from my talk page, yours, Bishonen's or both. By appointing yourself to act on her behalf, you needless complicate and prejudice what is otherwise a straightforward decision. Despite her edit summary, Bishonen may well have chosen to keep channels of communication open.Timothy Usher 10:07, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• I strongly doubt it; in my experience Bishonen is able to express herself quite clearly. She has asked you not to post again on her page. Please respect her wishes and stop making a nuisance of yourself. Thank you Giano | talk 21:22, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

• Great word "nuisance". :-) Netscott 01:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

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Fire and brimstone

You have the perfect starting point! The churches are missing in my Reddaway library book, The Rebuilding of London, from 1940. That's about "the secular and greater work", apparently much less known, at least in 1940. "With... no chronicler to tell of the efforts of the dispossessed, it has been overlaid and forgotten. The city government left voluminous records, but the maze of its committees have many centres and no single clue... The focal point is the struggle of the community to survive destruction." The book doesn't look to be very much about architecture, even, so far. No pelmets. :-) More social and economic. He's dug into those records. Note the publication date, 1940—during the Second Great Fire of London—he draws some parallels in the preface.

I like this book! Much more serious and informative than the two modern ones, see References. I'd love to know what you think of it— I see amazon.co.uk has one hardback copy, hint hint. :-) What's your Haliday book?

You know, this is a huge subject. Maybe we'll be forced to do a whole web of articles. (Groan.) Bishonen | talk 17:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC).

OMG it's still going on

It never ends! People spend their lives obsessing about this! I've had it with this nonsensical wiki system that immediately unravels every sensible decision ever made! I'm going for an interview with the Encyclopedia Britannica on Monday! Bishonen | talk 02:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC).

• Well my little Princessypoo, in my vast experience those that are obsessive about addressing the titled in growing and lavish forms of obsequiousness are generally those that never meet the titled, those that address a Grand Duke with "G'day mate" are often amongst the highest born. many of those republican sounding Wikipedians are probably polishing their tiaras as we speak. Incidentally odd name that User: Codex Sinaiticus sounds like a cure for hay fever. Speaking of which I am suffering terribly, and have to fly tonight, so will not be about tomorrow - so keep the home fires burning. Giano | talk 10:36, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

English Baroque

I spinned off the stub from Baroque architecture to collect some of the redirects, which formerly led to Baroque, which is of little help to our readers. The data and even some sentences on this page have been gleamed from your own articles in WP. Now you are welcome to rewrite it at will when you have time and inspiration. You may also want to check talk page. I also cut French Baroque into a separate article and will add Dutch Baroque and Spanish Baroque after today's football match. Good luck to you and to your team, Ghirla 06:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Featured articles

Going by your success in raising Buckingham Palace to featured article standard, I'd appreciate guidance on 2 questions:

• Where are the guidelines for featured articles, esp. length and province of introduction, etc.? I have found some advice on wikipedia but can you give me the full monty on this?
• How does an article become featured? Do you need to submit it as such or does Misplaced Pages sweep around looking at them, etc.? Do you have to propose it in a certain class to which it might pertain? etc. Any advice on this welcomed.

Thanks. -- FClef 20:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Well there are lots of theories on how to write the perfect FA, but first of all read this . Some people find this usefull too others have passed an opinion here . Whatever - having followed all the wise advice and written what you think is the perfect page then you can (only if you want to) get some improving ideas from your peers here (I seldom bother). Having done all of that one lists the page here and then I always say a few times "Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen. " while flogging myself with a small whip - it seldom fails. Giano | talk 20:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for helpful suggestions and for making me laugh into my cocoa before bedtime! Would you please take a look at Trooping the Colour and give any opinion on its discussion page. I did not originate the article, but have made many material contributions and major edits to it. I hope it could be a London Portal article next June but do not know how to arrange that. -- FClef 23:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Baden-Powell House on WP:FAC

The Baden-Powell House article has been adjusted in compliance with your feedback and recommendations (highly appreciated). Would you care to adjust your opinion accordingly? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 22:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC).

• Hi Giano, the additions to the B-P House article are very useful. They follow exactly the lead I was working on, to add more building information. I'll do some editing, and include the architect as well, Ralph Tubbs, and therefore I'll copy-edit the wording 'lesser architect'. Important question, though: do you have a good reference for the comparison that you make between BPHouse and the other two buildings you mention? Wim van Dorst (Talk) 21:13, 5 July 2006 (UTC).

scouts

Seems to have been dealt with the right way before I got to it. Thanks anyway. Tony 02:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Architecture of Aylesbury

So what does this article need to be completed then? -- Francs2000 08:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

About two hours, 500 references and inline cites and some entheusiasm! I've not forgotten it, I have several of similar size on the go at once, then every now and agian I surprise myself and finish one! Giano | talk 08:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Inline cite and editing reversals

Thanks for helpful comment on my Trooping the Colour edit. Please can you leave message here showing me 1. How to REVERSE an edit? (so that I don't have to type tons) 2. How to make an inline cite, as you suggested, of my T the C program -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

It is conventional to add new sections at the bottom of a talk page, not the top. I have moved them for you.

To reverse an edit, the easiest thing to do is open an old version of the page from the page history, and then save it; or you could cut and paste the parts that you want to restore from an old version into the current version. Otherwise, you will need to retype.

Inline citations can be done in many ways - the easiest is to add a Harvard citation, like this: (Smith, 2006) or this : (Jones, p.26). See WP:CITE. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Signatures and references incorporating Talk page

I know about the 4 tildes for a signature, but is there a quick way of doing a signature such as yours which incorporates the "talk" option? Also is there a way of referencing an article's "talk" page so people can click on it and go there directly?

And finally, what is that little arrow that takes you directly to a page? (looks like an arrow in an envelope?) Che? (as Manuel used to say in Fawlty Towers) - How do you do it? -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Your user page is at ] (User:FClef); your user talk page is at ] (User talk:FClef). Similarly, Baden-Powell House has a talk page at Talk:Baden-Powell House.

To get a reference to your talk page in your signature, you will need to edit your preferences. See WP:SIG and WP:SIGHELP.

I think that arrow just denotes a link (you are probably using the monobook skin, where I think it is standard. I use the classic skin and don't see it - links are just red or blue. Again, I think you can change this in your preferences.) -- ALoan (Talk) 13:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe the arrow in question is the external link icon, perhaps? You automatically get those when linking an external site, as opposed to a wiki page. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh yes - in classic, they are just a different shade of moody ablue. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:59, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Trooping the Colour

Yes, I can see where you are coming from on everything you've said. You will be covered with relief to know that I didn't write the "incident" para with which the article ends. Nor did I write the introduction.

I have done alot of work in cleaning up the middle of the article. I inserted the bullet points to clarify the article, which, though informed, was muddy.

Regarding the uniforms, these are dealt with on the appropriate regimental pages of the Foot Guards companies, but I could put in a bit more. I have not yet inserted any pix and am something of a technophobe.

In all, thanks, but probably I have not the time to dedicate for all the work required to get it to FA standard. Would you like to shine some of your sunny beams to the article? (I imagine you don't have time either...)

By the way, and a propos of nothing in particular, I saw the new Tom Stoppard play, Rock and Roll, last night. It deals with events in Czechoslovakia 1968-1990, Marxism, and Ancient Greek poetry and myth (Reminiscent in some ways of Brian Friel's "Translations"), along with the contextual rock music, from Bob Dylan, through the Rolling Stones, Plastic People of the Universe (groundbreaking 70s Czech band), Pink Floyd (with and without Syd Barrett), and Guns and Roses. Great. -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have not read the article, but bullet points often help with a list; however, they seldom make prose better. I will give the article a copyedit if I have time, but please don't give up: you may like to get a peer review and then nominate it as a Good article. -- ALoan (Talk) 13:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

YES, they did it. Congratulations! Wim van Dorst (Talk) 20:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC).

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Fratelli d'Italia

L'Italia s'è desta

Dell'elmo di Scipio

S'è cinta la testa.

Dove'è la Vittoria?.

Le porga la chioma;

Chè schiava di Roma

Iddio la creò.

Stringiamoci a coorte,

Siam pronti alla morte:

Italia chiamò!

Thank you ALoan! Yes it is a catchy little number, and I shall be belting it out on Sunday!

CHORUS:

Let us join in cohort,

We are ready to die!

We are ready to die!

Italy has called!

Let us join in cohort,

We are ready to die!

We are ready to die!

Italy has called! (and I am going!)

Sì!"

You can all sing along with me for the weekend here just click on "ascolta l'inno" (3rd from top is best!)

Please sign the visitors book below, if you wish to share in the glorious victory

• ;-) Paul August ☎ 02:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I hope you enjoyed the game as much as I did. (Amusing anecodte: I was 2 weeks old when Italy won in '82. My father threw me up into the air repeatedly, with my grandmother screaming about how he was going to kill me. After their win yesterday, I grabbed him under the shoulders and threw him up in the air a few times :) Raul654 07:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Song of Cavaradossi from Tosca

Aw! Puts me in mind of my holiday in Rome-Spoleto-Florence-Venice in '04. Perhaps I could remind you of the song Puccini gives Cavaradossi in Act 2 of Tosca, in which Cav rejoices at the Marengo battle result, thus spilling the beans about his collaboration with the French? (Probably only the first 5 lines are singable as a football chant, turned back towards France of course)

Vittoria! Vittoria!! L'alba vindice appar che fa gli empi tremar! Libertà sorge, crollan tirannidi!

TOSCA (wittering away) Mario, taci, pietà di me! (etc.) (Simultaneous singing begins)

CAVARADOSSI Del sofferto martir (SCARPIA - venomously: Braveggia!, etc.) me vedrai qui gioir; etc. etc.

Sono con voi.

-- FClef 22:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Very moving, thank you. I shall be back on Monday with the trophy!Giano | talk 08:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

"Oh well done! I commend your pains, / And everyone shall share in the gains" (Hecate, congratulating the witches halfway through Macbeth). Great stuff. -- FClef (Talk) 20:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Alessio Tramello

It was an exciting game!!

As per the title above, I'm hoping that you, or someone you know, might be interested in expanding/improving the above referenced article on an architect. I have noticed some of your edits and took a chance on posting here. (I was trying to save the original one sentence stub from the trash bin and got interested but do not have the background to pursue much further). If not, that's fine as well. No reply necessary; I will watch for awhile, anyway. Cheers! Stormbay 01:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

History of Sicily

Have you seen that this week's WP:COTW is History of Sicily? I have added a discreet link to Sicilian Baroque. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you ALoan, I hadn't seen that in fact I tend to avoid Sicilian pages as they make me bad tempered when people edit them, and pontificate on a subject about which they generally know nothing. So on the basis of "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly do not submit it." - I don't. Sic Bar was the exception to my rule because there are not too many other editors about in the Baroque architecture department. I'm sure though History of Sicily will be a fascinating read about a beautiful race. Giano | talk 17:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. But how about Bencher, which may interest you professionally? Or Fontanellato, with its delightful Parmesan rocca? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Sadly, I'm too busy in the real world to concentrarsi on anything serious here at the moment. I just click the computer over for a little light relief with a cup of coffee once or twice a day. Bencher looks very dull, and Fontanellato doesn't grab me either - never even been there. No at the moment all I can do is the odd edit (when necessary to preserve my good reputation!) and look after pages that interest me from dumb edits. Anyway Parmesan sound more like BoG than me. I would hate to trespass in his territory. Giano | talk 16:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently I do tobacco now. The Swisher Sweets article is atrocious, you know. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeeook! Who on earth would smoke those? I'll stck to my Marlboro lites. What is happening to this place? Giano | talk 17:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

• Oh yes, and here is a sad eit I 've spotted I must compose one of my poems for his page, he was always so admiring of my works being poetical himself. I don't think it lacks modesty to say that some of my poems were probably the inspiration for his. I feel an ode coming over me now! Giano | talk 17:06, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Shining example

Hi Giano

Having complained about the article provided at Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment as the ideal FA-class article—a most unsatisfactory piece, Medal of Honor—they invited me to suggest a replacement. I mentioned Sanssouci, but alas, one of them complained about the referencing (I don't really understand, since I'm not up-to-date on referencing procedures). Do you have another suggestion, or do you want to alter the referencing? (It would be lovely to have Sanssouci recognised in this way.)

See the discussion at:

Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Assessment#The example chosen of the ideal FA-class article

Tony 11:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

• Very flattering thank you but I was only one of a team of copy editors, and added some further facts and information not on the original German version. I've never understood all this formatting of references, I just write and cite my sources when I think they are required. If someone wants to fix the references up in another way that's fine by me (ALoan is probably the man). Sadly though in my experience once a page becomes "wiki-famous" it seems to become a target for everyone to rip it to pieces, so I don't think I will disclose my favourite and (IMO) best page. Giano | talk 17:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

IG Farben Building FAC

Hello, I posted the IG Farben Building on the FAC on the 17th July. It's currently got a support consensus, but only from 4 people. I'd be more comfortable with a stronger consensus and was wondering if you might be prepared to comment on the article? Many thanks. --Mcginnly 11:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

• Many thanks for your support. --Mcginnly | Natter 03:38, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Talk: Buckingham Palace

I have made substantial additions to the History section, with concomitant additions to Footnotes and References.

I do hope that you like the material, which mostly deals with the early history of the site. -- FClef (Talk) 23:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

• Amazing! Giano | talk 22:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks (blush) - I've had those in mind for a couple of months, but just worked up the energy to synthesise it all over the last couple of days. I do recommend both the new books to you.FClef (Talk) 00:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think not!

I no longer wish to be in the company of an idiot (Fred) who can make such a ridiculous suggestion So I think I'll leave too. Giano | talk 22:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

It hasn't been accepted and passed. Take a break - and come back. KillerChihuahua 22:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks Killer-sweety, but it's time to go and implode, before I'm pushed. Fred's a fool from Colorado (that's even worse than Idaho) who want's to shoot the witnesses, but there's too many other rural dolts like him here all having oozed and seeped into authority - and I'm far too short tempered, opinionated and outspoken to put up with them many further. It's all been a laugh though - so take care all of you. No one is to post any further daft and sentimental messages (Yes ALoan - that includes you, although I am still very sorry I put that telephone mast into your very informative obelisk page) and BoG hope the limp clears up soon! Geogre do be careful with that gun Oh and darling Bish - good luck with the hot page - it'll go to straight to FA. Anyone wanting my famous Sicilian recipe for home barbecued puffer fish straight from the sea - (always ensures a peaceful thanksgiving with the in-laws) - can apply in writing enclosing a cheque made payable to me at Palazzo Splendido in the Caymen Islands. As you all know I am not a spiteful or vindictive person - so don't give Fred a good kicking, and do be sure to give EE a warm welcome on her inevitable return. Oh and look after Sic Bar for me (it's the only one I care two cents about). Wetman you are the the cleverest man on the site so please look after the Italian architectural pages, and save them from the day-trippers. I can't even come back as a sock as you will all spot the commas and spelling - so this is really it. I can't write any more as I'm unable to see the keyboard for my soft and gentle tears plopping onto the keys - and the very dirty and worn comma key is smidging - farewell...............for the last time Giano | talk 23:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh Giano, come then! how could you ever have got into such a bind? Keeping bad company? An on-line encyclopedia "that anyone can edit" is in its very nature bound to be a constant compromise with medicrity. Your own attention-span is three times as long as the average coxcomb's: just work productively elsewhere, and come back in a few months to articles that have been slathered with humbug, comparing current versions with your last version, and tidy up after the puppies... --Wetman 00:17, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Look Giano, I don't think you can leave, until Italy defeats us Yanks in footsie. Paul August ☎ 04:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Now it's time for me to address those lines you left on my talk page: "I leave this site for five fucking minutes, and what do I return to? - Shock!" Please don't take arbitrators' antics too seriously and check your mail more often. --Ghirla 12:53, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• Ghirla please don't resort to bad language - it displays a lack of vocabulary (personally I never swear) and Paul for the 100th time it is footie not footsie! Of course as usual Wetman is quite right, I must return - I can't wait months as he suggests - who knows in months we could all be dead or worse - so here I am. One can't allow retired lawyers from Colorado to get one down - however democratically elected and ill informed they may seem to be - perhaps in real life he is a famous politician - he certainly has the attributes. For a while though I think I shall give wikipedia less attention. It's becoming horribly like the real world. Giano | talk 22:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

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1. Quote by Eternal here From when I was trying not to be too rude!

BTW, I, too, believe FB is starting to "show his age" while making arbitration decisions - I've had to correct many spelling/grammar errors as well as missed votes on things he authored. And believe it or not, he is 64 this year - which makes me wonder how much longer he wants to serve after his current term ends next year... Editor88 01:16, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

• I don't think 64 is always too old, quite a lot of people manange to lead fairly active lives at 64, in fact thinking about it I'm nearer 64 then 18 myself. However, Fred does neet seem to have grasped the simple mechanics of this case, a carried out a thorough alalysis. Giano | talk 06:35, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

You go, guy!

Excellent work, Giano! (or should that be "ingenio?") I rest yours sincerely FClef (but you can call me "Elizabeth") -- FClef (Talk) 20:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)