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== Thanks for you principled stand ==
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My content was deleting from ] talk page, i am placing a response for your reply.
:::::::: Hyderabad Software Enterprises Association - HYSEA, Formerly The Information Technology & Services Industry Association of Andhra Pradesh - ITsAP. Previously these award called as ITsAP Awards. Three years back the state of Andhra Pradesh has been divided into two. So previous data is not available, please refer info from . Some of the pages referred about HYSEA in Misplaced Pages ], ], some of the companies listed ITsAP awards ] an American Company, ] in wikipedia. So may be this awards is acceptable
:::::::: OMICS is publishing about 50,000 articles and proceedings per year recent acceptable source previous ] source largest selling English-language daily in the world, additionally OMICS website also furnished information with DOI links . You are right another 50% source of income is from conferences.


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:It seems clear that the other editors are not willing to read whatever you write: that's a third different editor that has reverted your edits. If the consensus of so many other editors is to not bother, I'm not about to argue with them. Sorry. ] (]) 11:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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If all of our edits are removed, how/where we will report our concerns. ] (]) 17:46, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


The P. Papers item should never have been posted at ITN, it is pure synthesis (offshore > evil) and violates WP:BLP and a host of other policies. I didn't get involved for the mere reason that opposing SJW presumptions gets you nothing but enemies. Some of us have age and or reason to teach us that salacious headlines are not guilty verdicts.
:{{tps}} See ]. ] (]) 17:57, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


Bravo! for your (censored) effort at a mature approach to a tabloid meme that has already disappeared from public consciousness. ] (]) 00:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
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I want to make up my own behaviors at ITN, but is it worth it? Lately, deemed the comments unnecessary. I don't want to get into conflicts with him. I can't go to ] lately as everybody treated me as if I made an ass out of myself. I can't go to ANI yet as I'd be ArbCom-med. Is this issue major, minor, non-issue, or what? --] (]) 21:06, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
:What follows is really only my opinion, and I am only one participant in ITN. I think you don't have to "make up" for your behavior. Most things on Misplaced Pages are voluntary, and if you don't do anything, someone else will. So you should not actually feel obliged to "help", especially if you are not familiar with protocol or if you get the feeling that you are making things worse. In this case, if it were me, I'd simply do nothing because it's not me whose post is being deleted. I would chalk this up as another case of that someone acting like a bully, though. ] (]) 00:53, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:: I'll let it go this time. The section is archived anyway. Also, how did I do at the WT:ITN about some "minor" issue? ] (]) 05:00, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:::I think it was a very minor issue about which you needn't have bothered: with no offense meant, worrying about something like this makes you look like a highly enthusiastic but very inexperienced editor. Is this the answer you were looking for? ] (]) 07:40, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
:::: I don't mind any answer you give me. You did answer it, and I'm pleased with your honesty. Maybe I need to reflect myself before I go further there again. I did want a consensus, but I didn't know how to propose properly. I don't know whether I should have asked whether a bot would be broken if lv3-headers are used, but I guess it doesn't matter anyway. I need to rebuild my reputation before I tarnish it. ] (]) 09:34, 20 June 2016 (UTC)


] is about publishing of false papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals. It is a misconduct. And it is in science. Please, revert --] (]) 16:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
I have one more question: must I take their seriously? ] (]) 06:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
:Discuss it on the article's talk page. Briefly, I would still not call it scientific misconduct. Predatory publishing is misconduct, but not in the scientific sense. ] (]) 23:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
:Well you did ask for Iridescent's opinion, so if you're not going to take him / her seriously, why ask in the first place? From my interactions with Iridescent as well, (s)he is a reasonable person, whose opinion is worth considering. TRM's appearance on that page (and associated battleground behaviour to boot) is troubling though, considering it's a conversation between you and Iridescent and none of his business. I'd think about invoking WP:HOUND. ] (]) 10:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
::Iridescent is a good person to have conversation, but won't matter. I'm doing my best to ignore the other person, but I don't know how far he will go. However, reporting him is too risky unless there is a strong case against him. I'm planning to <s>leave</s> take a break anyway once I finish ]. Will there be another person like him? ] (]) 17:34, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't use the word 'risky', rather that reporting him leads to drama that you (or me for that matter) would rather not deal with right now. I do consider the case against him strong, but some people think highly of him. I suppose that's why the popular media regularly references how toxic Misplaced Pages politics are. At this point he's probably watching your (and my) every edit. You could ban him from your talk page if you've not already done so, warn him not to thank you for your edits, etc, and consider getting an IBAN if you find it troubling. ] (]) 01:21, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
:::PS, if you speak any other languages, feel free to use them on this talk page. ] (]) 01:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)


== Qunatised Inertia ==
== Cold Fusion, Navy SPAWAR and NASA ==


You said: "Link it, if you want to change my mind. Banedon (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)".
Hi Banedon,
Gladly, but I do not know how to find it quickly. I tried using some keywords, but no luck, and I do not have the time now to look through the hundreds of tweets. I suggest that you ask McCulloch about that directly.
PS. The discussion page on QI deletion is now semi-protected, hence I cannot reply to you there.
] (]) 20:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)


You said: "Ok, so there are four (Pickering wrote two papers) - which is still too low. I originally quoted 80%. 26/30 is more than that. The objection remains. Banedon (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)"
As has been mentioned repeatedly there is difficulty getting published in this field, however NASA and Navy went forward to get this into the public view. The videos are undeniably from NASA and Navy SPAWAR scientists however, and probably exist on their respective government servers with public access. NASA which is continuing the effort, may publish when they have finished their grid testing of many materials in the search for even more energetic reactions,,, but they may also take the Navy route and simply try to license the technology,, as one of NASA's Tech Gateway videos suggest, same with Navy for remediation of nuke waste , on their website.
Navy did end up with 23 or maybe 27 publications, at least one patent, and NASA with at least one patent. Use what you feel is appropriate. My first visits to the pages on Fleishmann and Pons struck me as not a good reflection of their important work,, work which could change the lives of billions of people. The NASA and Navy patents seem important. Thanks for any help you can provide me regarding editing and/or this topic and the researh. I'd add that the first government report had some of the hot fusion guys on it. Because electrochemistry is distant from hot fusion and particle physics main focus (hot fusion and fission), the strong force,, they are generally unimpressed and inexperienced with the weak force which is the active force in "cold fusion" electrochemical cells. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 01:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I would require evidence that NASA and the Navy actually believe in Cold Fusion as a whole, because to my knowledge they don't (only certain scientists who are affiliated with NASA and the Navy do). Also while I can appreciate the difficulty in getting published in CF, this is still Misplaced Pages, and Misplaced Pages is not a place to ]. If cold fusion someday becomes widely accepted, then convincing current skeptics will be a necessary step as well. If you happen upon reliable sources covering CF, then those can be added to the article. At the moment, I think the most likely additions to the article are about ongoing research, under "publications" and "conferences". ] (]) 06:51, 8 July 2016 (UTC)


If Pickering wrote two papers then that must be 5. Anyway there is over 25 popular science secondary sources, that alone is enough for notability. But there is also a book (scientific book published by the World Scientific publishing house) and DARPA grant among others. ] (]) 20:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
As the science is disputed , again by people who haven't spent decades studying it, the dispute here should at least objectively cover both sides of the argument with some balance. I refer to the main pages for cold fusion, Pons, and Fleishmann. Agree that more current research would be nice to see, but it's mostly concealed due to patent and licensing concerns (profit). It will be interesting to see how the DOD reports on this in September. They could however have reason to minimize any progress and importance. The purpose of the Navy video was to give us an hour synopsis that covered their decades of work which constituted 23 publications. All the Navy papers are available online and I think linked to on Wikis. However the critics by far prevail on the main article pages while the proponents views are stacked with doubt. Doubt usually provided by critics who explain everything away by using strong force physics, which don't apply. It would be hard to get NASA to believe "cold fusion" is real "as a whole", just as it's still hard to get people to believe in anything as a whole. An aircraft with unlimited loiter, never needing to land for fuel, would be reason enough to limit the spread of a technology. N Langley was presenting same in the slideshow. The main page articles really seem to require some balancing of argument with regard to allowing the use of strong force arguments to criticize weak force experiemnts? Thanks for your responses! ] (]) 10:25, 8 July 2016 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 10:16, 8 July 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I'm sorry, but I am not going to ask McCulloch myself. You don't have time to look through hundreds of tweets, and neither do I. And no, there are only four papers if you click on that link and count. ] (]) 22:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
:Again, the science isn't really disputed - mainstream scientists simply don't look at the field. To say the science is disputed misrepresents CF's status. I doubt current research is obscured by profit motives; that probably only applies to charlatans. One of the consequences of CF being on the fringe of science is that there are some serious scientists and some charlatans, and real scientists are desperate for peer attention. Also the reason most scientists don't bother looking at the field is because there are powerful theoretical reasons to believe it doesn't work. Goldstein's article on the topic touches on those reasons. After decades of work, cold fusion has yet to produce a device that indisputedly proves CF works, e.g. a coffee-making machine that does not need to be charged. CF remains on the fringes of science, and as long as it does, the article should say it is so, and emphasize the reasons why people don't believe in it. ] (]) 09:13, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
:: In the list of the sources that I published on the talk page there was also a peer-reviewed Tajmar's paper that is not included in that first link (as it is a new paper). Why don't you e-mail or send a tweet to McCulloch - you can see there that he replies often to tweets, so I am pretty sure that he would provide you with an answer to your questions.] (]) 23:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
:::Which puts it at 26/31 which is still >80%. As for emailing or tweeting McCulloch - why don't you do it? ] (]) 23:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
:::: Because I am already satisfied that his theory is notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article. Besides I do not have an account on twitter.] (]) 00:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
::::: But I am not satisfied his theory is notable enough, and without more evidence you are not changing my mind. If you won't ask him, I most assuredly will not either. That's all. ] (]) 01:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::: I'll try to look for it again when I'll find some time to do it. But why are you not satisfied that this theory is notable enough?
::::::There is enough popular science secondary sources about the theory also in other contexts than Emdrive to make it notable for a separate Misplaced Pages article, for example: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-uk-scientist-claims-new-physics-explains-galaxy-rotation-theoretical-space-propulsion-1606367 <br>
::::::https://www.technologyreview.com/2016/04/20/8558/the-curious-link-between-the-fly-by-anomaly-and-the-impossible-emdrive-thruster/ <br>
::::::http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729002.000-sacrificing-einstein-relativitys-keystone-has-to-go.html?full=true <br>
::::::https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2010/07/30/can-the-pioneer-anomaly-be-explained-by-inertia-modification/


::::::and several radio talk shows and youtube videos about the theory.
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::::::There is plenty of others sources proving notability. Just over 25 popular science secondary sources is enough for notability, but there is also a book about the theory (published by the World Scientific publishing house), 30 peer-reviewed papers and DARPA grant is also very significant. Objectively the evidence unequivocally shows that this theory is notable. ] (]) 10:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
{{ping|Amortias}} I just added another diff involving Flyer22 Reborn . I am not pinging her nor notifying her on her talk page because of your assessment it is canvassing above. I'll leave it to you to decide whether or not to let her know something involving her was mentioned. ] (]) 11:34, 19 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::::Why am I not satisfied the theory is notable enough? In part because, as I wrote in the AfD, after fifteen years there are very few people aside from McCulloch who are working on it. ] (]) 11:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::: Objective criteria for notability, as measured by primary and secondary sources are met, as per Misplaced Pages guidelines, that is enough for notability. Anyway, I found that table now, here you are: https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1396859743470329859 <br> ] (]) 13:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::That tweet actually indicates most groups have stopped working on it. Of the remaining groups, some cannot be verified ("Anon" and "Z.Komala"), and they also seem to be working on EM Drive instead of QI. I'm sorry but this just reinforces the redirect vote. ] (]) 20:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::: That also shows that those experiments were recent, so as I said before the theory is gaining the momentum now, which supports notability. Z.Komala can be verified, as he publishes all his results and design details (including videos and photograps) on twitter. And no, he is not doing Emdrive, neither does the anon (it says explicity in the table 'capacitor' - so that has nothing to do with emdrive). Komala's sole purpose of these experiments was to confirm this theory. His work is ongoing, as you can see on his twitter account @ZKomala. '''None''' of the experiments listed in the table are about Emdrive - they all are designed to test QI predictions and thus confirm the theory. ] (]) 22:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::Give the full name & affiliation of Z. Komala, then, although I will say that relying on Twitter as a publishing platform is a red flag. The first four experiments in that tweet seem to be over (hence they don't have the - sign at the end), as well, and most of them didn't result in publications either. ] (]) 00:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::: Zbigniew Komala. Don't know his affiliation. He appears to be doing his experiments in a private lab of some factory. Only the first and the third experiments are over. Perez-Diaz according to McCulloch will be doing something with it again. And Komala right under that McCulloch's table tweeted that he is starting again: https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1396869012072566787 . Perez-Diaz with McCulloch sent recently their results to publication. Tajmar and Becker and Bhatt have already published.] (]) 10:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::No papers published though by Komala, so can't tell how reputable his work is. If Perez-Diaz is working with McCulloch that's not a good sign either. So the result is still the same, almost nobody except McCulloch is working on the topic after 15 years. The number of people can be counted on two hands. I'm sorry but I'm sticking with redirect and I don't think I'll be changing my mind. I won't be responding anymore. ] (]) 12:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
:::::::::::::: Komala does not work for university so he has no obligation to publish papers. You can judge his work yourself. He posts all of it. McCulloch is providing only a theoretical basis for the paper, all the experimental part is done by Perez-Diaz and two of his post-docs. It is silly to redirect a theory that can predict so many things to just one subject (not even the most important one): http://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2016/04/predictions-of-mihsc.html ] (]) 14:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


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Not surprisingly, the response to your thread at ] has been dismissive. This is the status quo going back many years. ArbCom is above the community and does not respond to community pressure except in extreme cases. I have tried in vain for years to get ArbCom to reform. There have been small, subtle shifts in handling of cases but overall it's the same muddy quagmire that it has always been. It's true; ArbCom is not a court of law. People are dismissive of anyone who indicates the similarity, and treat ''not'' being like a court of law as some badge of honor. It's rather the opposite.
Your edit summary at ] () is puzzling. There's absolutely no doubt that chess computers (even standard commercial programs) are stronger than any human at fast time controls. "No longer" is especially surprising, since humans haven't gotten much better at speed chess and computers have increased in strength markedly. That said, the claim wasn't cited and doesn't seem essential at that point in the article. ] (]) 03:59, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
:I mean it's no longer true in the sense that currently chess computers are stronger than any human (including world champions) at any time control. The original sentence seemed like it was written ten years ago, which makes it "no longer true" - although I suppose "oudated" is a better way to describe the sentence. ] (]) 04:06, 26 August 2016 (UTC)


I could go on for a while about the abuses ArbCom heaps upon the community, and the community's inability to do anything about it. I won't bore you with the details unless you have insomnia :) For my part, I will never participate in an ArbCom case if I am named party. I do not recognize ArbCom's authority over me. They are abusive, willfully dismissive of policy, and generally incapable of assisting the community. Any case they generate about someone is ''guaranteed'' to result in sanctions (and usually heavy ones). The outcome is predetermined, and nobody can defend themselves. The structure of ArbCom and its processes make defense impossible. Using ArbCom as a means of dispute resolution is an exercise in utter futility, unless your goal is to get someone kicked off the project. --] (]) 18:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
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:::''Exactly''. ] (]) 03:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
::::Arbcom is a self-styled tribunal . Under the guise of being a dispute resolution body which one would assume would examine all sides and enact an appropriate remedy, in fact it does neither. Arbcom members have gone on record as stating they are neither there to examine the merits of the case nor to examine the veracity of the plaintifs and their 'evidence'. Apparently the function of Arbcom is to simply count the votes in favour of opening a case. It's then followed by a long drawn out token process of so-called 'workshopping' to state their 'findings of fact' which in fact are merely a log of the claims of those clambering for sanctions. If one were to to label an Arbcom case as a ], it would not be wholly inaccurate. As per {{u|Hammersoft}}: {{tq|The structure of ArbCom and its processes make defense impossible.}}. ] (]) 15:53, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{re|Hammersoft|Kudpung|label2=Kudpung กุดผึ้ง}} Can we have an essay scrutinizing pain-points of the Arbcom functioning in one single ]? Like, ]? I would certainly appreciate such efforts and dedicate some time to read it... <span style="font-weight: bold" >] ] ]</span> 14:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
:* I wouldn't be opposed to doing it, but it would be a very large amount of work. I have documented some of the abuses in my own personal documents off the project, but it is not properly organized. I use the material as reference points occasionally, such as the study I did across several years of ArbCom cases showing the dramatic, negative impact having a case named after a particular party is to that party. Maybe I'll get to this someday, but no promises. --] (]) 01:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
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Im sorry, but I have revert ] because I do not see any violation of the ] film plot, as to be honest and is actual. I also do not see any error or grammar errors on the edit. Please do not revert the article, instead go voice it on the talk page and discuss first before making your move to revert the article. Thank you. ] (]) 11:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)
: is the one, but you can amend it with a fix of grammar mistakes. ] (]) 14:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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:Thanks Kudpung. It's not so much of a cliffhanger for me actually, since I'm pretty confident I won't be elected - in fact I'd be surprised if I get more than 50% support. I don't mind not being elected, but chances are Arbcom will continue to be troubling =/ ] (]) 08:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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:I'm pretty ambivalent. If I become an admin then OK, but I don't need the tools and doubt I'd pass an RfA anyway. ] (]) 03:13, 14 December 2021 (UTC)
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== status of the 20 first moves ==

Based on what I remember of the engine evals, it's something like
*e4, d4, Nf3, c4, g3 +/=
*a3, b3, c3, Nc3, d3, e3, h3 =
*a4, Na3, b4, f3, f4, h4, Nh3 =/+
*g4 -/+

IIRC. I remember it basically by: the first tier clearly stake a claim in the centre from the start (e4, d4, Nf3, c4) or at least make it so that you cannot be stopped from doing so later (g3 can easily become a Catalan or English). The second tier is either "playing your fourth/tenth move early" (which can't be good because your opponent can make them less useful now that you've committed to them, but can't be too bad either since they're usually useful moves), or just can't really fit into anything too forceful (b3 is a bit slow and doesn't really stop e5 well which this sort of setup demands; and Nc3 can be forced into either a Vienna or Veresov, neither of which really pack a punch). The third tier actively creates weaknesses or actively wastes time with moves that can be made to look really silly, or at the very best transpose into playing a not-too-great Black opening (after 1.f3 d5, maybe I'd play 2.f4 and have a Dutch).

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:Considering the recent Tata Steel tournament, I guess I have to edit my statement from 2022 to read {{tq|Nc3 can be forced into either a Vienna, Veresov, or Jobava London}}. :) ] (]) 08:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, it seems . I expect the other opening moves are drawn, although 1.f3 is quite bad. ] (]) 09:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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For your principled opposition to defamatory synthesis μηδείς (talk) 00:44, 12 November 2017 (UTC)


The P. Papers item should never have been posted at ITN, it is pure synthesis (offshore > evil) and violates WP:BLP and a host of other policies. I didn't get involved for the mere reason that opposing SJW presumptions gets you nothing but enemies. Some of us have age and or reason to teach us that salacious headlines are not guilty verdicts.

Bravo! for your (censored) effort at a mature approach to a tabloid meme that has already disappeared from public consciousness. μηδείς (talk) 00:40, 12 November 2017 (UTC)

Accepting bad papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals is scientific misconduct

Who's Afraid of Peer Review? is about publishing of false papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals. It is a misconduct. And it is in science. Please, revert --Geysirhead (talk) 16:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Discuss it on the article's talk page. Briefly, I would still not call it scientific misconduct. Predatory publishing is misconduct, but not in the scientific sense. Banedon (talk) 23:12, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Qunatised Inertia

You said: "Link it, if you want to change my mind. Banedon (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)". Gladly, but I do not know how to find it quickly. I tried using some keywords, but no luck, and I do not have the time now to look through the hundreds of tweets. I suggest that you ask McCulloch about that directly. PS. The discussion page on QI deletion is now semi-protected, hence I cannot reply to you there. 88.145.199.104 (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

You said: "Ok, so there are four (Pickering wrote two papers) - which is still too low. I originally quoted 80%. 26/30 is more than that. The objection remains. Banedon (talk) 13:12, 9 June 2021 (UTC)"

If Pickering wrote two papers then that must be 5. Anyway there is over 25 popular science secondary sources, that alone is enough for notability. But there is also a book (scientific book published by the World Scientific publishing house) and DARPA grant among others. 88.145.199.104 (talk) 20:21, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I am not going to ask McCulloch myself. You don't have time to look through hundreds of tweets, and neither do I. And no, there are only four papers if you click on that link and count. Banedon (talk) 22:22, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
In the list of the sources that I published on the talk page there was also a peer-reviewed Tajmar's paper that is not included in that first link (as it is a new paper). Why don't you e-mail or send a tweet to McCulloch - you can see there that he replies often to tweets, so I am pretty sure that he would provide you with an answer to your questions.88.145.199.104 (talk) 23:03, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Which puts it at 26/31 which is still >80%. As for emailing or tweeting McCulloch - why don't you do it? Banedon (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Because I am already satisfied that his theory is notable enough for a Misplaced Pages article. Besides I do not have an account on twitter.88.145.199.104 (talk) 00:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
But I am not satisfied his theory is notable enough, and without more evidence you are not changing my mind. If you won't ask him, I most assuredly will not either. That's all. Banedon (talk) 01:57, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I'll try to look for it again when I'll find some time to do it. But why are you not satisfied that this theory is notable enough?
There is enough popular science secondary sources about the theory also in other contexts than Emdrive to make it notable for a separate Misplaced Pages article, for example: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/emdrive-uk-scientist-claims-new-physics-explains-galaxy-rotation-theoretical-space-propulsion-1606367
https://www.technologyreview.com/2016/04/20/8558/the-curious-link-between-the-fly-by-anomaly-and-the-impossible-emdrive-thruster/
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21729002.000-sacrificing-einstein-relativitys-keystone-has-to-go.html?full=true
https://www.centauri-dreams.org/2010/07/30/can-the-pioneer-anomaly-be-explained-by-inertia-modification/
and several radio talk shows and youtube videos about the theory.
There is plenty of others sources proving notability. Just over 25 popular science secondary sources is enough for notability, but there is also a book about the theory (published by the World Scientific publishing house), 30 peer-reviewed papers and DARPA grant is also very significant. Objectively the evidence unequivocally shows that this theory is notable. 88.145.199.104 (talk) 10:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Why am I not satisfied the theory is notable enough? In part because, as I wrote in the AfD, after fifteen years there are very few people aside from McCulloch who are working on it. Banedon (talk) 11:26, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Objective criteria for notability, as measured by primary and secondary sources are met, as per Misplaced Pages guidelines, that is enough for notability. Anyway, I found that table now, here you are: https://twitter.com/memcculloch/status/1396859743470329859
88.145.199.104 (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
That tweet actually indicates most groups have stopped working on it. Of the remaining groups, some cannot be verified ("Anon" and "Z.Komala"), and they also seem to be working on EM Drive instead of QI. I'm sorry but this just reinforces the redirect vote. Banedon (talk) 20:37, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
That also shows that those experiments were recent, so as I said before the theory is gaining the momentum now, which supports notability. Z.Komala can be verified, as he publishes all his results and design details (including videos and photograps) on twitter. And no, he is not doing Emdrive, neither does the anon (it says explicity in the table 'capacitor' - so that has nothing to do with emdrive). Komala's sole purpose of these experiments was to confirm this theory. His work is ongoing, as you can see on his twitter account @ZKomala. None of the experiments listed in the table are about Emdrive - they all are designed to test QI predictions and thus confirm the theory. 88.145.199.104 (talk) 22:20, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Give the full name & affiliation of Z. Komala, then, although I will say that relying on Twitter as a publishing platform is a red flag. The first four experiments in that tweet seem to be over (hence they don't have the - sign at the end), as well, and most of them didn't result in publications either. Banedon (talk) 00:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Zbigniew Komala. Don't know his affiliation. He appears to be doing his experiments in a private lab of some factory. Only the first and the third experiments are over. Perez-Diaz according to McCulloch will be doing something with it again. And Komala right under that McCulloch's table tweeted that he is starting again: https://twitter.com/ZKomala/status/1396869012072566787 . Perez-Diaz with McCulloch sent recently their results to publication. Tajmar and Becker and Bhatt have already published.88.145.199.104 (talk) 10:00, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
No papers published though by Komala, so can't tell how reputable his work is. If Perez-Diaz is working with McCulloch that's not a good sign either. So the result is still the same, almost nobody except McCulloch is working on the topic after 15 years. The number of people can be counted on two hands. I'm sorry but I'm sticking with redirect and I don't think I'll be changing my mind. I won't be responding anymore. Banedon (talk) 12:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Komala does not work for university so he has no obligation to publish papers. You can judge his work yourself. He posts all of it. McCulloch is providing only a theoretical basis for the paper, all the experimental part is done by Perez-Diaz and two of his post-docs. It is silly to redirect a theory that can predict so many things to just one subject (not even the most important one): http://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com/2016/04/predictions-of-mihsc.html 88.145.199.104 (talk) 14:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration problems

Not surprisingly, the response to your thread at WT:ARBCOM has been dismissive. This is the status quo going back many years. ArbCom is above the community and does not respond to community pressure except in extreme cases. I have tried in vain for years to get ArbCom to reform. There have been small, subtle shifts in handling of cases but overall it's the same muddy quagmire that it has always been. It's true; ArbCom is not a court of law. People are dismissive of anyone who indicates the similarity, and treat not being like a court of law as some badge of honor. It's rather the opposite.

I could go on for a while about the abuses ArbCom heaps upon the community, and the community's inability to do anything about it. I won't bore you with the details unless you have insomnia :) For my part, I will never participate in an ArbCom case if I am named party. I do not recognize ArbCom's authority over me. They are abusive, willfully dismissive of policy, and generally incapable of assisting the community. Any case they generate about someone is guaranteed to result in sanctions (and usually heavy ones). The outcome is predetermined, and nobody can defend themselves. The structure of ArbCom and its processes make defense impossible. Using ArbCom as a means of dispute resolution is an exercise in utter futility, unless your goal is to get someone kicked off the project. --Hammersoft (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't have your dim view of Arbcom, I certainly think arbitration works as a means of dispute resolution since the harsh remedies like blocking editors ends the disruption. It is not a fair process though since the outcome is mostly predetermined before the evidence is submitted. I do think Arbcom should strive to be more like a court of law, not less. Our legal systems are set up such that fairness is paramount and everyone has due process. If one cannot get that at Arbcom, then one effectively cannot get it anywhere on Misplaced Pages, which is not a good place to be. Banedon (talk) 02:59, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Due to serious structural and procedural problems with ArbCom, it's effectively impossible for an accused person to get fair treatment in a arbitration case. --Hammersoft (talk) 03:43, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Exactly. Banedon (talk) 03:51, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Arbcom is a self-styled tribunal . Under the guise of being a dispute resolution body which one would assume would examine all sides and enact an appropriate remedy, in fact it does neither. Arbcom members have gone on record as stating they are neither there to examine the merits of the case nor to examine the veracity of the plaintifs and their 'evidence'. Apparently the function of Arbcom is to simply count the votes in favour of opening a case. It's then followed by a long drawn out token process of so-called 'workshopping' to state their 'findings of fact' which in fact are merely a log of the claims of those clambering for sanctions. If one were to to label an Arbcom case as a show trial, it would not be wholly inaccurate. As per Hammersoft: The structure of ArbCom and its processes make defense impossible.. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:53, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
@Hammersoft and Kudpung กุดผึ้ง: Can we have an essay scrutinizing pain-points of the Arbcom functioning in one single WP:ESSAY? Like, User:Hammersoft/essays/Why arbcom is a mess? I would certainly appreciate such efforts and dedicate some time to read it... AXONOV (talk) 14:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't be opposed to doing it, but it would be a very large amount of work. I have documented some of the abuses in my own personal documents off the project, but it is not properly organized. I use the material as reference points occasionally, such as the study I did across several years of ArbCom cases showing the dramatic, negative impact having a case named after a particular party is to that party. Maybe I'll get to this someday, but no promises. --Hammersoft (talk) 01:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
@Hammersoft and Alexander Davronov: for obvious reasons since March 2020, I'm loath to do anything to help Misplaced Pages - except perhaps writing an article I feel is missing, or commenting on discussions about reform of Misplaced Pages governance. That's why I'm so vocal about things like Arbcom where far too often the issues are not treated as fairly and professionally as they should be. Like Hammersoft, I have amassed loads of material on my computers about Arbcom over the years and I would be happy to collaborate with him (off-Wiki) to realise such a project. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

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I not stupid revert

Im sorry, but I have revert this article because I do not see any violation of the WP:MOSFILM film plot, as to be honest and is actual. I also do not see any error or grammar errors on the edit. Please do not revert the article, instead go voice it on the talk page and discuss first before making your move to revert the article. Thank you. 122.11.214.202 (talk) 11:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

This new plot is the one, but you can amend it with a fix of grammar mistakes. 122.11.214.202 (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks Kudpung. It's not so much of a cliffhanger for me actually, since I'm pretty confident I won't be elected - in fact I'd be surprised if I get more than 50% support. I don't mind not being elected, but chances are Arbcom will continue to be troubling =/ Banedon (talk) 08:36, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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You did get 300-odd supports in the ACE.. granted, also a lot of opposes, but RfA is supposed to be a lower bar than ACE, right? casualdejekyll 14:12, 19 May 2022 (UTC)

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status of the 20 first moves

Based on what I remember of the engine evals, it's something like

  • e4, d4, Nf3, c4, g3 +/=
  • a3, b3, c3, Nc3, d3, e3, h3 =
  • a4, Na3, b4, f3, f4, h4, Nh3 =/+
  • g4 -/+

IIRC. I remember it basically by: the first tier clearly stake a claim in the centre from the start (e4, d4, Nf3, c4) or at least make it so that you cannot be stopped from doing so later (g3 can easily become a Catalan or English). The second tier is either "playing your fourth/tenth move early" (which can't be good because your opponent can make them less useful now that you've committed to them, but can't be too bad either since they're usually useful moves), or just can't really fit into anything too forceful (b3 is a bit slow and doesn't really stop e5 well which this sort of setup demands; and Nc3 can be forced into either a Vienna or Veresov, neither of which really pack a punch). The third tier actively creates weaknesses or actively wastes time with moves that can be made to look really silly, or at the very best transpose into playing a not-too-great Black opening (after 1.f3 d5, maybe I'd play 2.f4 and have a Dutch).

But of course, OR. (I did always have a soft spot for 1.b3, but casual experience suggests that 1...e5 is the annoying issue with it. I guess this is why Nimzovich played 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 instead.) :) Double sharp (talk) 23:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

I think some kind of ranking for the opening moves is certainly what we want to have, but we must remember that objectively, every position is either winning, drawn, or losing. At some point in the future computers could very well display 0.00 after every opening move, which doesn't prove that 1. g4 is "as good as" 1. e4 for human play. But anyway for this particular content question I think we should amend WP:CHESSENGINE, and will be starting something in WT:Chess for it. Banedon (talk) 07:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Yes, I suppose in the far future engines will show 0.00 for all the opening moves (or maybe all except 1.g4 – I personally agree with Kaufman that it might be lost, not that my opinion is worth much). I think Kaufman's quote in First-move advantage in chess#White has an enduring advantage rather explains well what I mean by "+/=" here: Black can get the draw with perfect play, but needs to be more careful than White. For humans, who cannot expect to play the engine-perfect move every time, that means something in addition to the objective evaluation. In pawnless chess endgame we already note something similar when it comes to the Q vs R endgame; sure it's theoretically won, but finding how to win is not so easy for humans. Double sharp (talk) 09:00, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
Considering the recent Tata Steel tournament, I guess I have to edit my statement from 2022 to read Nc3 can be forced into either a Vienna, Veresov, or Jobava London. :) Double sharp (talk) 08:29, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, it seems likely that 1.g4 is losing. I expect the other opening moves are drawn, although 1.f3 is quite bad. Double sharp (talk) 09:49, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Indeed, there's circumstantial evidence that 1.g4 is the only losing move of White's 20 options. Still circumstantial though, no opening expert has come out to say that explicitly yet (at least, to the best of my knowledge). Banedon (talk) 07:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
I was honestly more surprised at first that 1.f3 isn't lost, since after 1...e5 that f-pawn is quite a liability! But the above link convinced me that it's probably still drawn.
Larry Kaufman said on TalkChess that it's likely that some Black responses to 1.e4, 1.d4, and 1.Nf3 lose on the spot (and not just obvious blunders like 1.e4 b5 or 1.e4 f5), with the Owen and Polish/St. George probably near the drawn/lost border. That might be a bit conservative: Matthew Sadler has quoted Peter Heine Nielsen as saying that the Pirc might be lost (although that doesn't prove that 1.e4 d6 is losing, since chessdb.cn suggests the best way to play after that is the Philidor, not the Pirc). Ah well. As long as my beloved Alekhine's Defence hasn't been proved lost, I'm content. :) Double sharp (talk) 09:23, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

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Alright, I'll bite

What's WP:Anchoring? -- Tamzin (she|they|xe) 16:30, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Fair question. I clarified on the ARC. Banedon (talk) 00:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

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I love a good bluelink as much as anyone, especially that has a simple and meaningful name rather than yet another acronym. But given the forum and lack of obvious context, it might be useful to explain what WP:Anchoring is in . DMacks (talk) 22:03, 16 July 2023 (UTC)

Done. Banedon (talk) 00:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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And "crap, didn't even see the same question two threads up-page here":( DMacks (talk) 03:59, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
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Benevolent Dictatorship

I have closed your DRN request as not a topic for DRN. You were requesting a binding decision, and there is no consensus in the community for on the general question of whether examples may be listed. So my advice is to propose specific examples on the article talk page, Talk:Benevolent dictatorship, with specific sources. There may be consensus on one or another of the examples with sources. If discussion does not result in rough consensus, an RFC on specific examples would be in order. So that is my advice,to discuss specific examples with specific sources. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:57, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

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Najib Razak

Hello, why was the category for right wing populism undone for Najib Razak’s page? I believe he is regarded to be right wing, such as the party he is a member of, which is on the right of the spectrum, thus putting him in the right spectrum of politics. Firekong1 (talk) 22:30, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

There's no section in the article about him being right-wing, however. If he's regarded as right-wing, and if it's significant, then it should be discussed as such. Without such a section it looks inappropriate. You can also take this to the article's talk page, see what other people think. Banedon (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Of course. Should I mention this before adding any right wing categories to his page? Firekong1 (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
I'll respond on the article talk page. Banedon (talk) 02:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

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Stockfish

Please change:

The two engines remain close in strength for a while

to

The two engines remained close in strength for a while

Thanks!

Done, but why not do it yourself? Banedon (talk) 02:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
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