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	= October 15 =

			= December 29 =
	== I uploaded a file (jpeg image) but forgot how to link or add it to a page ==

			== Is the article "Andrew Stephen Wilson" good enough to get verified ==
	The photo I uploaded is here ] and I want to link it to a page. I tried typing in for example File:Title Of Picture.jpg but the photo did not show up, what do I do, please help and most important Thank you :) ] (]) 02:24, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			Hello, I made this article in 26 of November this year and I haven't got a response to it. And I was wondering if someone could review it this article.
	:You can do it thus <code><nowiki>]</nowiki></code>. You can also place it right or left. ] (]) 04:49, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			Thank you. ] (]) 00:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

			:Do you mean this article ] @]? ] (]) 00:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	: What you didn't mention in your question was that you were trying to add the image to a ], in which case you were correct that it didn't need the brackets. Your problem was that you forgot that case is significant in Misplaced Pages page names. The name which you gave the file has .JPG in capitals, and in your edits to the article ] you were using .jpg in lower case. --] (]) 05:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			::Yes, that one. ] (]) 00:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	::{{ping\|TheBronxNYC}} In other words, to add the file to a ''gallery'' you add ''only'' <code><nowiki>File:St. Barnabas High School Chapel.JPG</nowiki></code> with .JPG in capitals. —] ] ] 05:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			:::It's been published and is now in the main space. It might not show up in searches for now, it can take a little while. Congratulations! ] (]) 01:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	::: You say ''only'' the code you've given, but it is permitted to include a caption as {{ping\|TheBronxNYC}} was doing (and as used for the other images already in that gallery), and it is permitted to include a link, see ]. --] (]) 05:33, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			::::oh ok, Thank you @] ] (]) 01:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::If you're asking about a peer review, you requested one here ], see he answer below your request. ] (]) 01:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::::{{u\|Pupusareawesome}}, your request for peer review says that he {{tpq\|had discovered many things by use multi-wavelength and X-ray radio}}, but the article does not say that. It should describe the most important things that he discovered as an astronomer. ] (]) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Please help explaining a statistics presentation issue ==
	==About Logo in pa.wikipedia.org ==
	{{tracked\|T148467}}
	Hello friends, pa.wikipedia.org is not showing logo on the sidebar. What can be problem? ---] (]) 10:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			I feel I am doing a bad job here and do not know how to do better, so I'm asking for help. At ] and ], I have noticed @] in recent additions is averaging (very different) demographic estimates together into one number. I think this is seriously misleading and information-destroying for readers, but I haven't been able to get across why. They're not doing anything wrong, and I don't want to harass or confuse them any further. I appreciate if anyone could take a look. Thanks. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	: This help page is for the '''English''' Misplaced Pages. For the Punjabi Misplaced Pages you'll have to ask there. --] (]) 11:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			:You should have brought this up before reverting then yet again, as such you're both violating ] and effectively in an edit war. I'm glad that after they readded the information you did not revert yet a fourth time. I have placed the appropriate warning, and if they readd that "average" again I'd suggest raising it over at ANI for edit warring. ] ] 01:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	: ... possibly at ] ? --] (]) 11:04, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			::Why do you think I'm posting this? I'm not in an edit war because I'm done here. Good grief. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 01:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::FWIW, I think you are correct in your assessment that his calculations are incorrect and have stated as much on his talk page. ] ] 02:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Appreciate the elaboration—I'm just a bit stressed on here and want to extract myself here in the most productive way possible. <span style="border-radius:2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F">]<span style="color:#fff"> ‥ </span>]</span> 02:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::Just closing the loop, it seems like progress is being made towrads consensus. Thanks for bringing it up, and sorry if it felt like I ]. ] ] 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection ==
	: Please tell me thesolution to this problem. What will the adminstrators would do if the same problem arises on this wiki. -----]

			I have over 500 edits and I can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection. ] (]) 04:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	::https://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/highlight.php?file=InitialiseSettings.php sets the pawiki logo to '/static/images/project-logos/pawiki.png', i.e. https://pa.wikipedia.org/static/images/project-logos/pawiki.png. ] tries to override it with https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Wikipedia-logo-v6-pa.svg. I don't know what goes wrong, maybe it's the use of a svg file or a new loading order after a MediaWiki change. The two images look similar to me so I don't see a need for an override and possible complications. Try getting a local admin to delete this line in your Common.css:
			:@]: Looking at your ], it appears that your extended confirmed rights were revoked by an admin for ]. This may have to do with your rapid edits to your sandbox. I'd suggest asking the admin in question, {{np\|JJMC89}}, for more details. —] ( ] • ] ) 04:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	#p-logo a { background-image: url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Wikipedia-logo-v6-pa.svg") !important; }
	::If there is local consensus for another logo then you can file a request at ]. ] (]) 14:13, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::Yeah, I do think, that you can't use a SVG file there. But I may be wrong. At least in .js I have always seen, that people are using png versions of svg's. --''']''' <small>(]/])</small> 15:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	::::If you really want that image then this automatic png conversion may work in Common.css:
	#p-logo a { background-image: url("//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/Wikipedia-logo-v6-pa.svg/135px-Misplaced Pages-logo-v6-pa.svg.png") !important; }
	::::] (]) 14:20, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	::::: Local Common.css ] are actually hacky ways to edit the interface though, as the size of wgLogo is preset with the WMF logo policies. Long-term logo changes should be asked as a configuration change to a static image (uploaded to Commons) for the Wikimedia-Site-requests project in ], since using generated thumbnailing from SVG on a very hightraffic image (as the logo is shown on EVERY page of the wiki) ] (producing thumbnail bugs such as ]). For setting high-resolution logo, 1.5x and 2x logos should be uploaded to Commons, protected and a Phabricator task should be filed to set these logos as ]. See ] as a reference and example of the points I'm trying to say. Obviously local consensus needed for all configuration changes, so bring this up for discusson locally on pawiki, and after getting consensus file a task to Phabricator to make the change. --] (]) 08:38, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	:Bug report tracked in ]; please check for potential updates. Thanks! --] (]) 10:34, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

			== General sanctions and page protection ==
	== Edit Notice Help ==

			] is semi-protected. Yet per the general sanctions put on the page only extended-confirmed users can edit. Is there a reason the article isn't extended confirmed protected instead? ] (]) 05:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	I have an edit notice that displays at the top of my talk page when someone starts to add to it, describing some of the reasons why someone will comment on my talk page, such as review for ] and ], and I recently expanded it. What I would like to do is to put a blank line in it so that it displays as two paragraphs. I don't seem to be able to do that. First, can someone tell me how to do that? Second, can someone direct me to a specific help file for this special purpose? ] (]) 15:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
			:{{reply to\|Squeezdakat}} The article has been classified as falling into a contentious topic area (see ]). It was decided that all articles that could be broadly construed as coming under this topic area would be restricted so that only extended-confirmed users could edit them, detailed at ]. It is stated there that articles with the extended confirmed restriction are not required to be extended confirmed protected, but the restriction can be enforced through other means instead. If there is an edit you wish to make to the article, may I suggest you propose it on the ] (which I see you have already edited) and an EC editor will review your request and make the edit if appropriate. Thank you, ] (]) 07:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	:], it's one of those things with passing text as a parameter to a template, the normal automatic paragraph handling via double newline does not work. If you wrap the paragraphs in a HTML paragraph element, you should get the desired result. I.e.
			::Thank you ] (]) 07:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::{{u\|Squeezdakat}}, the restriction limits such editors from editing topics related to {{tpq\|conflicts involving Armenia, Azerbaijan}}. If a non extended confirmed editor added good content, for example, about the Embraer jet, I would not interpret that as a violation. ] (]) 20:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
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			::::Oh that makes sense. Thank you! ] (]) 02:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
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			:::::@] Is there anyway I can contact arbitration and tell them to allow anyone to edit wikipedia pages involving Armenia and Azerbaijan for non political ones or ones where armenia and azerbaijan have supported each other (it is rare but it happens) ] (]) 05:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
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			::::::{{u\|SimpleSubCubicGraph}}, you can contact ArbCom either as a group or individual members both on Misplaced Pages or by email. I suggest that you do your homework about restrictions related to contentious topics first. See ] for more information about how they operate. ] (]) 07:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	Paragraph one.
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	:] has the general help on edit notices, but does not cover this specific issue (as far as I could see from a quick glance at it). It's really a general issue with template processing, so might be documented somewhere in that area, but I don't have a specific help page to point to.
	:] (]) 15:47, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			== Unsure about Maplink ==
	== cant find my wikipedia when i search for it on google ==

			On ], I’ve included a Maplink, and an appropriate caption, but for some reason the caption appears to say ‘Map’. ‘Map’ isn’t the caption I intended, so can someone fix this? ] (]) 19:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
	hey guys i need your help i have an account now but when people try to search for it or my names on google it cant be found i need your help because i need it to be seen by the public
	thnx+ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:45, 15 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:] - You appear to misunderstand what Misplaced Pages is about, we are an encyclopedia, not a social media, advertising or promotional site. Individual user's accounts are unindexed, so will not appear on Google, and we are not here to promote you, or help you "be seen by the public" - ] (]) 18:52, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			:Hello, @].
	== Revising a disambiguation page ==
			:If you look at ], I think the parameter you want is <code>text</code> rather than <code>descpription</code>
			:Under "text", the documentation says {{tq\|Text to display for the link (or caption if using mapframe); default is "Map"}}.
			:"Description" says {{tq\|Description of the feature (for features from OSM), displayed when the feature is clicked on; optional}}. ] (]) 20:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Yes, this works. Thank you! ] (]) 20:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

			= December 30 =
	Hello all. Recently, {{-r\|NHS}} became a redirect to ] with the disambiguation page since being renamed ]. Given the example with ], the NHS disambiguation page probably needs to be revised. I'm not sure exactly what to do. Please help. Thank-you.--]]] 19:00, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	::Well, I happen to think that the redirect is wrong, and the disambiguation page should be primary. I think that this should be discussed on the disambiguation talk page. ] (]) 19:17, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	::There was a move discussion. It was not participated in very well, but it did establish a consensus of 3-0. What are you saying should be done? To undo the move? If so, you can request ]. A ] is sometimes a better participated in consensus process;but I don't know whether an RFC can be used to reverse a Move Discussion. What is your question? The community has ruled. I disagree, but I will accept their opinion. What are you saying? ] (]) 19:22, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{ping\|Robert McClenon}} I'm unsure how to reorganise the disambiguation page now that ] is the ].--]]] 19:25, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::To just delve further, the ] section would probably need to be restructured in some way.--]]] 19:28, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	::::I've taken a stab at revising ], using the "CIA" example in ] as a guide. As always, improvements or corrections are welcome. ] (]) 20:08, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::::Much appreciated. Thanks {{u\|Deor}}.--]]] 20:24, 15 October 2016 (UTC)

			== Disambiguating the two Elizabeth Oldfield's ==
	== ] ==

			Hi, we already have a page for the Mills and Boon author and British writer Elizabeth Oldfield: ]
	The formulation of this category is very unclear and confusing. Is it about politicians ''originally'' from Azerbaidjan, or about politicians from anywhere ''doing politics'' in Azerbaidjan? It should definitely not be about both. Looking at the entries in this category, my guess is that it is about politicians originally from Azerbaidjan, and I will remove from it the others. ] (]) 22:49, 15 October 2016 (UTC)
	:For the record, it's ]. Apart from the OP's question, I'm not sure why ] is included here. ] (]) 06:14, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

			I'm considering creating a page for another British writer also named Elizabeth Oldfield. Notability on basis of two independent reviews of her book Fully Alive.
	:{{ping\|Sapphorain}} It is unfortunate that the category does not have text defining the scope. But I would assume from the name of the category that it refers to politicians who are ], in other words people in Iran who are ethnically ]. (That is quite different from any of your assumptions.) —] ] ] 08:23, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	*Methinks ] is the page to discuss such content issues (which do seem legitimate). If you feel the category should be deleted or renamed, you can have a go at the process outlined in ]. ]<sup>]</sup> 10:40, 18 October 2016 (UTC)


	==Question==


	I want to edit a wiki page referencing archived newspaper articles that are in PDF form. How is that done? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 22:56, 15 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:*] has provisions for specifying archived urls, if that is what you are asking? ]] 23:05, 15 October 2016 (UTC)



			I'm thinking of disambiguating by making her page be Elizabeth Oldfield (podcaster), on the grounds that the Times article uses podcaster as its primary description of her. Before I go ahead, I wanted to get some feedback. Does this seem reasonable?
	= October 16 =

			] (]) 09:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Scale two different-sized images to be the same height ==

			:That seems to me reasonable. The disambiguation word or phrase can easily be changed later, if there's a consesnsus for something different. ] (]) 14:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	In {{sectionlink\|HSAB theory\|Theory}}, there are two images in a gallery, ] and ], which are considerably different in size and aspect ratio. What is the best way to scale them so that they have the same height? ] (]) 02:28, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
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	:{{u\|YBG}}: by specifying their <s>sizes</s> widths, like this. ] (]) 08:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	::In this particular case, where you have the images side-by-side, I'd recommend using the {{tl\|multiple image}} template, which allows you to provide a single caption for the pair of images—see ] for an example of it in use. ‑ ] 08:49, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{ping\|Maproom\|Iridescent}} Thank you for your help. Unfortunately, I have now discovered that having the two images the same height is not quite what is needed, it is a bit more complicated. But your help is much appreciated. ] (]) 23:40, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

	== ] ==		==]==
			Please check reference 6. I have done my very best with this editing - but I always get something wrong. Thank you for your guidance. ] (]) 10:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Sorted, you had an access date of 30 December 20203. ] (]) 10:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
			:@] How can we ensure that you stop adding dates that are 18,000 years in the future? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">''']''' <small>]</small></span> 11:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Is this truly something that's a desperate immediate need for Misplaced Pages to attend to? Obvious ]s like that are something that everyone has made at times, and yet for things such as numeric values (e.g. dates) also very difficult in the general case for a computer to "catch" automatically—in contrast with ] where it can just compare against a word dictionary. The reason ref templates have error-checking is because to err is human. (But, to really foul things up requires a computer!) ] (]) 17:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::There's something to be said when this happens over the course of roughly a decade. —] ( ] • ] ) 17:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::If an editor wishes they can set up a ] to warn them before saving an edit if there is a template error on the page. And does ] give some kind of notice if a template is throwing errors? Otherwise, is there really much impact on things here? A bot can always go around cleaning up simple typos in the intricate template syntax that not every person has a head for. I'm not aware, is there much precedent for telling a user "you must start using these error-flagging tools or else we will restrict your account"? Seems like a discussion for someplace like ] with more visibility. --] (]) 20:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::My experience with VisualEditor is that it doesn't. I expect 99% of people making the same mistake over and over again to have some degree of pattern recognition, and that they would devise strategies to prevent them from happening in the future. —] ( ] • ] ) 21:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Question ==
	Hello! I need help. I translate the article ] in the german language. But only a fragment has been transfer into the german-language Misplaced Pages. Now I did mot found the translation, its a long text. Can somebody help? ] (]) 13:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	: done, thanks for your non-help! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:54, 16 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

			What if I was an admin and I wanted to resign? ] (]) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	== ] ==
			:@] any admin may resign at any time by posting a message at the ]. See ] for a full list (which is way longer than I thought) <span style="white-space:nowrap"><span style="font-family:monospace">'''<nowiki>''']<nowiki>]]'''</nowiki>'''</span> (] • ])</span> 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

			== GA Review - How to 'Close' out the talk page? ==
	Guessing this is a better place to ask than the TP, which doesn't seem very active, and the scripter has been indef'd (<small>What happened there?!</small>)... is anyone else having problems with it? Although it says it is enabled in the tab, and the script was left unchanged in my js page, it has stopped working. That is, I no longer see an 'Archive' option next to a thread. Any help much appreciated. Cheers! ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 16:32, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	:@{{u\|Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi\|FIM}} Look it up, its an interesting story ... anyway, OCA has been working for me? Have you tried ]? Which OS & browser are you using? -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 16:41, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	::There are notes that say that there is another similar tool that is being maintained. ] (]) 16:44, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::{{reply\|Samtar\|Robert McClenon}} Many thanks to you both; sorted now- I replaced the old script with that which is currently being maintained, and also purged cache, so unfortunately thanks to my ], I can't say which actually solved it. Thanks again all! Now to go and find out how ]s get ] ;) Cheers! ] <sup>''''']'''''</sup> 16:48, 16 October 2016 (UTC)
	::::Scriptwriters have no exemption from the usual rules of Misplaced Pages, and I don't have a pun to reply with. ] (]) 18:46, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

			I currently have two finalized GA reviews, and I am unsure how I apply the, "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion" notice to the review's discussion to prevent it from being molested. What is the best way for me to do this?
	= October 17 =
			Happy New Year,
			] (]) 19:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

			:{{tl\|atop}}, and {{tl\|abot}}. Although, you don't have to do this. There's also a userscript that does all of the promotion/archiving for you '''] <sup>(] • ])</sup>''' 19:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Reverted Edit Question ==
			::Thank you! ] (]) 23:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Is there any way to "force" a specific image below "the jump" (first subhed) to be a thumbnail? ==
	In ], there were two pending edits today (10/16) made at 12:59 that I reviewed (at 13:02) and did NOT accept. The history shows that I reverted these two pending edits. Then at 15:30, an IP editor made changes (which were also reverted at 16:15). The history shows that the 15:30 edit reverted my changes (and I received an email notification of the revert), but a comparison of the different versions does not show this - it shows the 15:30 edit left my change intact and made other changes. Can someone explain what accounts for this. ] 01:22, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	*The ip clicked on the ] button, which by default generates such a notification. At the same time, the undo button allows an editor to make editorial changes before saving the version, {{diff2\|744699691\|which is what the IP did}} (restoring some of your edits and making other changes). ] 02:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	::My edit was to just one line and it was still intact after the IP edit. So you are saying that the IP did an 'undo', then manually put back in the change they just undid, and then made all the other changes that show in the diff. That seems very strange. May they have been trying to 'hide' their changes for some reason. At the very least, it was a very misleading edit summary. ] 05:32, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Hello! Just created ] and don't want to prefer one or another by including it in the lede (which is too short right now anyway). But as a mobile user I do live for our thumbnail images. Is there any secret/magical code I can use to tag one of the images to be the article's designated thumbnail while leaving it where it currently sits lower down the page? Please and thank you for helping! ] (]) 21:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Bot & an editor incorrectly "fix" my intentional cite before full stop. ==
			:{{ping\|Jengod}} ] says: "If $wgPageImagesLeadSectionOnly is true, only images in the lead section will be considered. This is true for Misplaced Pages projects only; all other projects can pull images from outside the lead." This cannot be overridden. It may be possible to trick the extension by having image code in the lead but wrapped in something which prevents a browser from actually rendering the image. However, I would oppose such shenanigans. If you want a page image then just place it in the lead. ] (]) 21:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Excellent information! I will not shenaniganize, but I might eventually read a book or two and expand the lede so there's room for me to drop in a favorite or three. TYSM @]! {{resolved}} ] (]) 22:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

			= December 31 =
	See ]. Can I inhibit Yobot from this article ? Also how can I stop editors "fixing" it eg https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Smear_campaign&diff=744658530&oldid=744653688 --] (]) 08:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
			==]==
	:{{Re\|Penbat}} I suspect that an HTML comment between the {{tag\|ref\|c}} and the full stop would prevent bots and AWB users detecting this violation of ]. -- ] (]) 08:43, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
			Reference number 5 is wrong - I have failed again. Please fix; I (or the team I am on) will not be attempting to edit next year - 2025. Thanks you and my apologies again] (]) 00:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::Thank you.--] (]) 08:49, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	:It isn't clear why you deliberately wish to contravene what the ] says at ]? --] (]) 11:38, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	::It is if you read the sentence in question: "Smear campaigns have been identified as a common weapon of psychopaths<sup></sup> and narcissists<sup></sup>." I'm not saying ] is ''right'' to ignore the recommendations, just that it's clear why he wants to. ] (]) 11:52, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::I assume Penbat wants to make it clear that the references only apply to the last word. There was no support for this at ]. ] (]) 14:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			:] ] (]) 00:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== Appearance of a reference ==
			::''Again'', {{u\|Srbernadette}}, you wrote 2024 as 20244. Why is it that you cannot see and correct such obvious errors on your own? ] (]) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::Could it be that your keyboard is jamming? -- ]-'']'' -- 12:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Looking for any policies and guidelines on Portals? ==
	Hi,

			I feel like the answer will be obvious when someone says it, but where are the guidelines or policies on portals? ] is an info page with a banner from five years ago saying it needs to be updated. I looked around but only see ], a failed proposal. Other non-article content has a guideline that at least defines what should be kept or deleted. Is there an equivalent to ] somewhere for Portals? ] (]) 04:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I was expanding the references on ] to add author, publisher, website, archiveurl. When I saved my edit, I noticed that the reference showed up as part of the article body and not in the standard in-line form. Can somebody help me out on this and tell me what I'm doing wrong? The body of the code I typed is as follows:
	WOTV's studios on West Dickman Road (]) in Battle Creek were donated to a city entity, Battle Creek Unlimited, and were later demolished in February, 2014. {{cite web \|url=http://archive.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20140220/NEWS01/302200008/Fort-Custer-HQ-razed \|title=Fort Custer HQ Razed \|author=<!--Staff writer(s); no by-line.--> \|date=February 20, 2014 \|website=battlecreekenquirer.com \|publisher=Gannett Company, Inc. \|archive-url=http://web.archive.org/web/20141020013346/http://archive.battlecreekenquirer.com/article/20140220/NEWS01/302200008/Fort-Custer-HQ-razed \|archive-date=October 20, 2014 \|dead-url=yes }}

			:The sort of "realist" answer is few people care about portals and they're neglected. A glance at ] will indicate that the answer to your query appears to be "nowhere really". WP is a volunteer shindig and so if no one works on a thing it just doesn't happen. --] (]) 02:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	This reference is reference 1. Thanks, ] (]) 13:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			==]==
	:Fixed with . You had omitted the <nowiki><ref>...</ref></nowiki> tags around the reference. ] (]) 14:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
			I have added a file from commons and is far too big. please fix if you can. You could correctly caption it: "Pickenham Hall, Norfolk, home of Collenette's mother" - Thanks ] (]) 07:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:{{Done}} with ]. -- ] (]) 08:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::{{u\|Srbernadette}}, that article entirely fails to explain why this English gentlewoman ended up as an expert on the flowers of Saudi Arabia. Why is that? ] (]) 09:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::{{u\|Srbernadette\|John of Reading}}, I don't believe that Pickenham Hall, Norfolk was the home of Collenette's mother, she married in 1923 (Burke's Peerage 1934 via Google books) then Collenette's mother's father "JOHN SMITH MORETON , of Pickenham Hall , Nor- folk ... purchased the Pickenham and Houghton - on - the - Hill estates in 1924" ((Burke's Landed Gentry 1939 via Google books).
			:::{{u\|Cullen328}}, Srbernadette didn't write the article so they may not know much about Collenette's biography. ] (]) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::::Thanks for pointing that out, {{u\|TSventon}}. ] (]) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:::::{{u\|Cullen328}}, the article is still very short, but I have added a sentence saying that Collenette visited Saudi Arabia while her husband was working there. ] (]) 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== How to change username? ==
	::Thanks-- I'm still learning the cite web tag and I had forgotten about that (out of all things!). Much appreciated. ] (]) 18:31, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Is there any way to change my username? I don’t really like it. ] (]) 07:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== The extended unicode ==
			:Yes. See ] ] (]) 07:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Using edit summary to let out personal feelings ==
	does the 𓋹 (0x132f9) character count as 1 character? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 13:56, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:{{ping\|Brynda1231}} In which context? Some things like page size and allowed edit summary length are counted in bytes and not characters even though some documentation may inaccurately say characters. It uses several bytes. ] (]) 14:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	:(e/c) 0x132f9 Is a 4 ] encoded form of a single ], which usually is considered to be a single ] in the ancient ] that uses ] to represent a word or phrase. Does that help ? :) —] (] • ]) 14:10, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			How to deal with a user who undid an edit then uses edit summary to just explicitly let know their personal feelings over a ] like ] then restoring it back? I've been avoiding that user since we were blocked for an edit war but they keep coming to my edits I've made (be it on an article or on my talk page). ] ] 08:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	== How can I remove a category from a page? ==

			:My personal suggestion is that if their comments or behavior bother you, but they're not impacting ''the enyclopedia'' (]) much at all, to just ignore it, since, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? If someone is causing trouble impacting numerous editors, they will attract attention and people will "do something about them" sooner or later. If you find editing Misplaced Pages to be causing stress, a good first step is always to take a short break, do something else that you enjoy, take a walk outside to decompress, anything you might find enjoyable. Misplaced Pages isn't a job or obligation and ]. Also might want to try switching gears and editing some other areas: ] and who knows, you may even find some of them interesting! {{=)}}
	] shows ] on the bottom. I am using ] and would like to remove this category from this page, but don’t know how to do it because I get no "-"(minus) sign. Thanks in advance, ] (]) 15:22, 17 October 2016 (UTC){{small\|please ] me}}
			:{{br}}
			:(It wouldn't be very challenging to have a ] that "ignores" a user, by just "collapsing" their edits in edit history and on talk pages into something like "1 edit hidden, click to expand". Someone might even have already made one along those lines; if interested you can go looking at what's out there. If not I could take a stab at it if it's something someone might find useful.) ] (]) 17:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Well I've been doing that this past few days but when I would come back here to edit a content of an article to make it better, that other user would undo it then put something on edit unrelated to why they undid it then restored back to how I edited it, like "what's the point for undoing it then restoring it back?" Anyways, thanks for those tips, and I will find and use that userscript you suggested. Cheers and happy new year! ] ] 20:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== A user desperate for a war again ==
	Udpate: I tried it again and this time there was a minus, but I got a '''503 HTTP/2.0 503''' when I clicked it? ] (]) 15:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC){{small\|please ] me}} {{Red\| I tried to add this commnet before but got an edit conflict. The instructions about how to handle such a conflict are too complicated for me to try and figure out right now}}
	:{{re\|Ottawahitech}} It looks like it's caused by the inclusion of {{tl\|Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Ottawa/Unreferenced BLPs}} on that page -- ] <sup><small>] or ]</small></sup> 15:25, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	:{{re\|Ottawahitech}} Fixed - I've stuck {{tag\|noinclude}} around the category in ] and ]d ]. -- ] (]) 15:29, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	::Regarding the 503 error, see ]. ]<sub>(])</sub> 18:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			How to deal with a user looks really desperate to declared a war to me again. This ] is so sensitive to me, and no longer normal for me. I want to go in that user talk page to give some advise but i know this user will lastly revert my edit and said "Vandalism", so what i do is just leave it on the edit summary. Everything i do on this Misplaced Pages, this user will always appear, like a few months ago, i've created a several draft that is ready to published but in the end all of it is just useless because the all of the mainspace is created by this user, like i didn't even get any chance for my only interest topic in this Misplaced Pages. <span id="Aidillia:1735633845995:WikipediaFTTCLNHelp_desk" class="FTTCmt"> — <span style="font-family:Cursive">]<sup>(])</sup></span> 08:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</span>
	== Major issue with article on Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ==
			:Hello, {{u\|Aidillia}}. No editor can possibly cause another editor to engage in ]. That is literally impossible. Edit warring is ''entirely'' the responsibility of the editor or editors who choose to engage in edit warring, which is a blockable offense forbidden by policy. Nobody is forced to click the blue "Publish changes" button. So, ''always'' refuse to engage in edit warring, which is forbidden by policy, which bears repeating. There are many ] procedures available to you, which should be used instead. ] (]) 08:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Ok thanks. I will have a look at it soon. <span style="font-family:Cursive">]<sup>(])</sup></span> 09:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			:Also you might want to take a look at ] as this article itself is potentially a candidate for deletion as there has not been significant coverage of this future film. ] ] 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== I've created ] ==
	My name is Jerry Oppenheimer and I'm the author of the biography RFK Jr.: Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and the Dark Side of the Dream, published by St. Martin's Press in 2015 to wide acclaim. However, it's clear from looking at the Wiki article on Robert F. Kennedy Jr. that any and all mentions of my book, THE only biography of Mr. Kennedy, have been scrubbed. The evidence is that just one dangling reference, reference #5, remains, only with my name and the page number from my book. This suggests to me that other references were deleted, and this one survived by error. I suspect that Mr. Kennedy or one of his minions deleted the references to my book because he did not like the book, which was critical of him. I demand to know who and why the references to my book about him were deleted, and the references, whatever they were, should be back in place. How can we proceed?
	Many thanks,
	Jerry Oppenheimer <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) 18:07, 17 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	*Hello {{u\|Jerry Opp\|Jerry Oppenheimer}} and welcome to Misplaced Pages. Discussions about any article and its contents should be undertaken on the talk page of the said article, in your case, at ]. At the same time, please do read our ] guideline, which may apply to you. Our COI guideline strongly discourages COI editing. You are of course welcome to discuss your suggestion with respect to the article at the said talk page. Might I also suggest to you to give a quick read to Misplaced Pages's ] and ], which will make you familiar with how Misplaced Pages's voluntary editors discuss content issues on the talk pages of articles? Thanks. ] 18:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	:*Nobody has removed mention of your book—a , but other than that it's never been used as a source on that article. ‑ ] 18:23, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Hi all,
	:::Probably ought to put "your book" in scare quotes; I'd be willing to bet $25 this isn't actually Jerry Oppenheimer. Also, interestingly enough, that cite was added to the article in January 2014, but the OP above (and Amazon) show it as published in 2015. --] (]) 18:33, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			I've created ] which is pretty obviously wrong, and I don't know how to fix it.
	::::It may just be me, but I'm having a bit of difficulty in the ''belief'' department regarding this complaint. First, for a newcomer to WP, I find it incredible that they would know terms such as: ''scrubbed''. A term I didn't know for quite some time. Furthermore, for a New York best-selling author, who should have a command of the English language, his first edit: ''Jerry Oppenheimer is the New York Times best-selling author of at least thirteen biographies of major American icons'' is highly questionable: "of at least"? You either have or you haven't. In addition, if I were the real Jerry Oppenheimer, I would take more issue with my own page, which seems to have non-updated data: ''His biography of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., RFK Jr. is forthcoming in 2015'' and hardly covers any accomplishments in his own field of writing. I sincerely doubt Mr. Oppenheimer has the time or reasoning to make demands on WP regarding RFK when he has ''at least'' thirteen other books he should be worried about. ] (]) 22:12, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Yep I'm an ] with about 58K edits, but also someone who knows their limitations - in this case I'm teh WP:CIR when it comes to templates.
	:::::"Scrubbed" is a term that has been around far longer than you've probably been alive. In this sense, it's been around since at least the early 1950s, so long before the internet was even fully imagined. ···] · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 23:19, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Could someone who groks template coding possibly step in here and fix it up?
	== Trouble utilizing sources in bibliography ==
	I'm attempting to sort out the book sources utilized on ], starting with Roz Kaveney's book, but I must be doing something incorrectly, as clicking the reference does not direct me to the mention of her in the bibliography. Could someone point out where I made the error in the referencing of her book? If I have this figured out, I should be able to set straight the other book references in the article. ]<sub> ]•]</sub> 21:48, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			Pete AU aka ] (]) 🦘 10:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:Hello {{ping\|DarthBotto}}, I have fixed it (see history). I have explicitly activated harvard referencing with "ref=harv" to allow linking between short references and the full bibliographic entry, and also tweaked the author information (see ] for more information). Also, page information in the full entry is redundant (as various different page ranges are specified via short footnotes). ] (]) 22:39, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

			:Hi, {{u\|Shirt58}}! Please look at the category page and see if it looks like what you expected. :) --] (]) 11:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	::{{ping\|GermanJoe}} Thank you so much for your assistance- it will prove pivotal, I am sure. May I ask you one more question? There's at least one piece to be added to the bibliography, ''Alien Woman: The Making of Lt. Ellen Ripley'', which has more than one author. How would I attribute multiple authors to a Harvard citation? ]<sub> ]•]</sub> 03:05, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
			:PS. I'm afraid I do not understand what you mean about templates. Do you want some template to be added to the category page? It gets done exactly the same way as in regular articles. --] (]) 11:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			::I usually try to find and adapt a similar existing category. I have checked ] and added two more categories. ] (]) 11:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	:::{{ping\|DarthBotto}}, for multiple authors add multiple pairs of first1/last1, first2/last2, ..., firstN/lastN parameters to the citation. In ] usages, you then list the authors' lastnames, separated by "\|", in the same sequence (like: <code><nowiki>{{sfn\|last1\|last2\|...\|lastN\|year\|page(s)}}</nowiki></code>). You can find some examples of common use cases and more details in the 2 linked template documentations. ] (]) 13:27, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
			:::And thank you to everyone who has replied here and fixed that up. For reference, I've sometimes described myself as a "non-technical" admin. By that I mean I have pretty much no clue whatsoever about the questions that come in at ]. ] (]) 🦘 10:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Template edit help needed on ] ==
	== Inappropriate message added to talk page ==

			I'm editing {{tl\|Ice hockey team roster/sandbox}}, trying to add a new column, but have it only show if a parameter equals "yes".
	I am not sure if I should even dignify this with a response, but I got a bizarre message on my talk page the other day and I am not sure what to make of it

			My test implementation using this new column is currently at ]. I'm basing the code I added to the Ice hockey team roster sandbox off of {{tl\|CIH schedule start}}, which I'm familiar with the usage of.
	https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:Bellerophon5685&diff=744678459&oldid=740749959

			My end goal here is to combine {{tl\|Player7}} into {{tl\|Player4}} (love those descriptive names), and eventually TfD both Player7 and {{tl\|Ice hockey minor league team roster}}. --]] 15:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Should I move to have this user blocked?--] (]) 22:51, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
			:{{ping\|MikeVitale}} I have encoded a pipe as <code><nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki></code> so it isn't interpreted as a separator between parameters to <code>#ifeq</code>. ] (]) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Finding a taxonomic error over 100 years old while doing research for an article ==
	:{{reply\|Bellerophon5685}} I gave the editor a stern warning and reverted the edit. If they do it again (this is their only edit), they can be blocked for ]. ···] · <small>] · ] · ]!</small> 23:17, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
	::Looks to me more likely to be a spammer than an intentional disrupter. Time will tell.
	::{{U\|Bellerophon5685}}, in the future, you can remove others' comments from your talk page. See ] for details. ]<sup>]</sup> 15:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

			What the title says. How should I properly address it in the article, given that it seems to have flown under the radar of actual experts? I'm working on an article on ''Eoscorpius'', an extinct genus of scorpion from the Paleozoic Era first described in 1868, but it appears that some experts used the name, unaware that it was already taken, to describe an extinct Miocene fish of the family ] in 1919. No one seems to have noticed this mistake, and there exist rather recent articles on the two very different organisms using the same genus name. Even the ] is confused; it lists ''Eoscorpius primaevus'', intended as the name of a fish, with the rest of the ''Eoscorpius'' species, which are actual scorpions (that was actually what led me to first notice something was off, when I saw that the supposed different species of the same genus were separated by hundreds of millions of years). Anyway, that's my situation. What can I do to address it without falling into original research territory? ] 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	I knew I could remove it on my own, I just thought it would be best to bring it up here to have a proper block warning from the admins.--] (]) 16:50, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

			:It seems to me that you can note that the Eoscorpius described by one source is a fish and that described by the other source is a scorpion, and rely on ] that these are different taxa to comment that these uses are inconsistent, but you should not attempt to resolve the inconsistency, or even to account for it, if you have no source that discusses the inconsistency. ] (]) 20:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	= October 18 =
			:ColinFine's advice is right-on. After that, you may want to contact a ] or two, probably ones with expertise in the ]. Who knows, you just might wind up getting co-author credit on a scientific paper! --] (]) 23:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			== Subheading alignment ==
	== Dark Skin Gadget ''Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin'' is not fully working properly ==

			Would someone please advise how to get the 'See also' header on ] to align to the left. I've noticed this occurring on a few articles - adding an additional blank line usually fixes it, but for some reason not here. ] (]) 20:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
	Hello,
			:I added clear template before "See also" section, and it seems ok when I view the article. Is this what you wanted? ] (]) 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
			::Excellent. Thank you very much, @], I'll try and remember this in future. ] (]) 20:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

			= January 1 =
	There is an issue with the following gadget: 'Use a black background with green text on the Monobook skin'.
	The issue is that the page ] is not updated to work properly with wikipedia's design.

			== About cladograms on Arabic script ==
	Basically, the gadget is outdated at this time, causing breakage of appearance.
	For instance, 1) the sidebar remains blue-text-on-white, 2) the background remains white, and 3) the table of contents remains blue-on-white.

			Hello everyone, can someone help me to figure out what is the issue I can't create a correct cladogram on Arabic script? The issue is the branches are reversed. And thanks. ] (]) 00:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	You can test by enabling the gadget yourself, and the issues should appear on any computer.
			:Hah, that's got to be an issue related to ] text handling; on a page in an RTL language such as Arabic, the Web browser will dutifully flip ''everything'' by default. So you have to engage in some template wizardry so it doesn't flip the non-text elements of the cladogram. The place you want is ], where you are likely to find help from editors experienced with Misplaced Pages's esoteric syntax. Hopefully that helps. --] (]) 02:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	As this gadget provides a high-contrast theme for users, I'd like to request that the gadget be updated to fix these issues. ] (]) 04:41, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	: To reproduce: the gadget only appear in the list of Gadgets in ] if MonoBook is selected as the default skin in Appearance - as per the gadget definition (only available on MonoBook). Changing skins disables the gadget. Additionally some things overlap in the wgLogo area if one has this enabled - in a way that two site logos are shown and you can't click on some sidebar items. CC ] fully described the issue --] (]) 05:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

			==]==
	== Making a table of information. ==
			Reference number 2 does not have the name of the year it (a medical journal) was published which is 1921. Please fix this up. I have failed. I'm sorry and that's it from me. ] (]) 02:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

			::I was about to fix it, but ] beat me too it. There was a line break (ie enter/return on the keyboard) in the middle of the title element of the cite web reference.
	*]
			:] ] 03:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	I have created an article for The Other Love Story, a webseries. How do I make a table with a title card and information such as cast and production team on the right side of the article?] (]) 07:06, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	:{{ping\|Theotherlovestory}} Use ]. Click on that link for the syntax and supported parameters. —] ] ] 07:43, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	:{{ping\|Theotherlovestory}} Actually ] is the correct one. ] (]) 08:07, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	::Actually ] is a redirect to ]. —] ] ] 08:28, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	:::], FWIW, this user was blocked by another admin under our spam username policy, and an appeal was declined. I'd already deleted the article ] as non-notable, but could equally have been for promotion by an obviously COI editor. I've left the draft for now since you have edited it ] (]) 13:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

	== ~~Conflict~~ of ~~interest~~ ~~guidance~~ ==		== What's my email address? ==

			The application for newspapers.com asks for:
	Hi Wikipedians
			"The email for your account on the partner's website"
			What is the correct format in this case? ] (]) 08:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			:This is beyond the scope of the Help desk, as it involves an external website.--'''''] <sup>]</sup>''''' 08:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
			::{{ping\|ianmacm}} I think this relates to an application to use newspapers.com via ] at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/applications/apply/26/ .
			::{{ping\|Humphrey Tribble}} have you tried example@example.com? If that doesn't work, Misplaced Pages:The Misplaced Pages Library has a talk page. ] (]) 09:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

			== Language links ==
	In my professional capacity working for the ] I have been asked to consider editing articles on ]. As a ] issue clearly arises, I have been reviewing that guidance. However, as we are a non-profit institution, and our public domain records are the sole primary source of most committee information, I'm hoping I can make more direct edits than the guidance suggests (rather than constantly making 'suggested changes' on talk pages). My intentions are:

			Is there a setting in user preferences to change the language links to appear in alphabetical order, all in same page? Now only a few language links to other Wikipedias are displayed. This started when I logged out, and I have not found yet ability to change it back. --] (]) 15:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
	* To create a new account, as allowed under ], but personal to me (])
	* To declare the interest on that user page and the talk pages of relevant articles (])
	* To make simple edits to existing articles within two classes:
	** Making factual, NPOV, referenced edits with where the records of the House are the primary source and are in the public domain (for example, updating membership lists)
	** Conducting basic maintenance defined as uncontroversial under ]

	For reassurance, I do ''not'' intend:

	* To edit existing content where it is current and correct
	* To use Misplaced Pages as a platform for PR
	* To create new articles for new committees where no demand exists, as my COI may impact my views on ]

	Please could those with knowledge of ] give me some feedback on this plan?

	Ejgm 11:44, 18 October 2016 (UTC) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (] • ]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
	:My first (minor) comment on this is that I don't believe that the British House of Lords would be considered a "Non profit institution" as Misplaced Pages defines the term. My second is that your level of preparation for this work is better than almost anyone else I've seen in 10 years on Misplaced Pages. (Bravo!) (I've known people who have been on Misplaced Pages as solid editors for years who haven't worked through all of those policy articles.) And I'd suggest posting at ] (which appears to be both politics and government) for specific questions. I look forward to your contributions to wikipedia, you've gotten off to a wonderful start!] (]) 11:57, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	*{{U\|Ejgm}}, you are the perfect example of why direct paid edition is allowed. Most likely, you will only improve the encyclopedia, and having you go through the "requested edits" process would be a pointless loss of time for everyone involved.
	:You did not quote it, but I think you fall under ] if the editing is part of your job. As a consequence, disclosure of the conflict of interest is '''mandatory''', not just recommended, and some templates are mandatory (] has it all explained).
	:Since you seem OK with a second account, I suggest you create it with an explicit name (such as ]), which you should use for all the potentially COI edits (and only those). A side benefit is that you could then use contribution logs for this account to show to your employer should they ask.
	:Notice also that (per ]) <s>sockpuppet</s> <u>alternative account</u> notifications must go both ways, i.e. the paid-edit account user page must disclose it is <s>the sockpuppet of</s> <u>linked to</u> the usual account and reciprocally. ]<sup>]</sup> 12:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	::{{U\|Ejgm}}, I'm impressed! Just to clarify, although I understand what {{u\|Tigraan}} means, he should have said "alternative account" since "sockpuppet" implies nefarious intent, which is surely not what he intended. I agree that you should use the {{tl\|Paid}} template, which is mandatory, as stated by Tigraan. I regularly post such a warning to obviously paid editors, usually after deleting their articles, so you can be ahead of the game on this! ] (]) 13:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

	== Suggestion ==
	<https://en.wikipedia.org/Tactical_frivolity>

	You might consider adding a paragraph about " <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 18:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

	:I'm not sure what you intended to suggest, IP user, but the best place to make the suggestion is on the talk page ]. You could even add whatever it is to the article yourself, preferably with citations to reliable published sources. --] (]) 21:15, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

	== Asian Month ==

	Is there a page set up for 2016 ]?--] <small>(] / ] / ] / ] / ])</small> 20:39, 18 October 2016 (UTC)
	:You're not the first to ask this, {{U\|TonyTheTiger}}: See ]. Unfortunately, I'm not able to answer either of your. --] (]) 21:19, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

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December 29

Is the article "Andrew Stephen Wilson" good enough to get verified

Hello, I made this article in 26 of November this year and I haven't got a response to it. And I was wondering if someone could review it this article. Thank you. Pupusareawesome (talk) 00:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Do you mean this article Andrew Stephen Wilson @Pupusareawesome? Knitsey (talk) 00:56, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, that one. Pupusareawesome (talk) 00:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

It's been published and is now in the main space. It might not show up in searches for now, it can take a little while. Congratulations! Knitsey (talk) 01:03, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

oh ok, Thank you @Knitsey Pupusareawesome (talk) 01:05, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

If you're asking about a peer review, you requested one here Misplaced Pages:Peer review/Andrew Stephen Wilson/archive1, see he answer below your request. Knitsey (talk) 01:08, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Pupusareawesome, your request for peer review says that he had discovered many things by use multi-wavelength and X-ray radio, but the article does not say that. It should describe the most important things that he discovered as an astronomer. Cullen328 (talk) 19:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Please help explaining a statistics presentation issue

I feel I am doing a bad job here and do not know how to do better, so I'm asking for help. At Mexico and White Mexicans, I have noticed @Pob3qu3 in recent additions is averaging (very different) demographic estimates together into one number. I think this is seriously misleading and information-destroying for readers, but I haven't been able to get across why. They're not doing anything wrong, and I don't want to harass or confuse them any further. I appreciate if anyone could take a look. Thanks. Remsense ‥ 论 00:57, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

You should have brought this up before reverting then yet again, as such you're both violating WP:3R and effectively in an edit war. I'm glad that after they readded the information you did not revert yet a fourth time. I have placed the appropriate warning, and if they readd that "average" again I'd suggest raising it over at ANI for edit warring. TiggerJay (talk) 01:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Why do you think I'm posting this? I'm not in an edit war because I'm done here. Good grief. Remsense ‥ 论 01:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I think you are correct in your assessment that his calculations are incorrect and have stated as much on his talk page. TiggerJay (talk) 02:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate the elaboration—I'm just a bit stressed on here and want to extract myself here in the most productive way possible. Remsense ‥ 论 02:43, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Just closing the loop, it seems like progress is being made towrads consensus. Thanks for bringing it up, and sorry if it felt like I snipped at you. TiggerJay (talk) 01:14, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection

I have over 500 edits and I can’t edit articles with extended confirmed protection. Zabezt (talk) 04:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Zabezt: Looking at your user rights log, it appears that your extended confirmed rights were revoked by an admin for gaming the system. This may have to do with your rapid edits to your sandbox. I'd suggest asking the admin in question, JJMC89, for more details. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:55, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

General sanctions and page protection

Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 is semi-protected. Yet per the general sanctions put on the page only extended-confirmed users can edit. Is there a reason the article isn't extended confirmed protected instead? Squeezdakat (talk) 05:51, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@Squeezdakat: The article has been classified as falling into a contentious topic area (see WP:CT/A-A). It was decided that all articles that could be broadly construed as coming under this topic area would be restricted so that only extended-confirmed users could edit them, detailed at WP:GS/AA#Remedies. It is stated there that articles with the extended confirmed restriction are not required to be extended confirmed protected, but the restriction can be enforced through other means instead. If there is an edit you wish to make to the article, may I suggest you propose it on the talk page (which I see you have already edited) and an EC editor will review your request and make the edit if appropriate. Thank you, Redtree21 (talk) 07:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Squeezdakat (talk) 07:59, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Squeezdakat, the restriction limits such editors from editing topics related to conflicts involving Armenia, Azerbaijan. If a non extended confirmed editor added good content, for example, about the Embraer jet, I would not interpret that as a violation. Cullen328 (talk) 20:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Oh that makes sense. Thank you! Squeezdakat (talk) 02:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Cullen328 Is there anyway I can contact arbitration and tell them to allow anyone to edit wikipedia pages involving Armenia and Azerbaijan for non political ones or ones where armenia and azerbaijan have supported each other (it is rare but it happens) SimpleSubCubicGraph (talk) 05:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

SimpleSubCubicGraph, you can contact ArbCom either as a group or individual members both on Misplaced Pages or by email. I suggest that you do your homework about restrictions related to contentious topics first. See Misplaced Pages:Arbitration Committee for more information about how they operate. Cullen328 (talk) 07:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Unsure about Maplink

On this page, I’ve included a Maplink, and an appropriate caption, but for some reason the caption appears to say ‘Map’. ‘Map’ isn’t the caption I intended, so can someone fix this? Diegg24 (talk) 19:53, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, @Diegg24.

If you look at Template:maplink, I think the parameter you want is text rather than descpription

Under "text", the documentation says Text to display for the link (or caption if using mapframe); default is "Map".

"Description" says Description of the feature (for features from OSM), displayed when the feature is clicked on; optional. ColinFine (talk) 20:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this works. Thank you! Diegg24 (talk) 20:35, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

December 30

Disambiguating the two Elizabeth Oldfield's

Hi, we already have a page for the Mills and Boon author and British writer Elizabeth Oldfield: Elizabeth Oldfield

I'm considering creating a page for another British writer also named Elizabeth Oldfield. Notability on basis of two independent reviews of her book Fully Alive.

eview: Fully Alive by Elizabeth Oldfield | Premier Christianity

Book review: Fully Alive: Tending to the soul in turbulent times by Elizabeth Oldfield

Our middle-class commune (joint bank accounts, noisy sex and all)

I'm thinking of disambiguating by making her page be Elizabeth Oldfield (podcaster), on the grounds that the Times article uses podcaster as its primary description of her. Before I go ahead, I wanted to get some feedback. Does this seem reasonable?

AndyGordon (talk) 09:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

That seems to me reasonable. The disambiguation word or phrase can easily be changed later, if there's a consesnsus for something different. Maproom (talk) 14:56, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Peter Kavanagh (politician)

Please check reference 6. I have done my very best with this editing - but I always get something wrong. Thank you for your guidance. Srbernadette (talk) 10:12, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorted, you had an access date of 30 December 20203. Theroadislong (talk) 10:32, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Srbernadette How can we ensure that you stop adding dates that are 18,000 years in the future? qcne (talk) 11:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Is this truly something that's a desperate immediate need for Misplaced Pages to attend to? Obvious tyops like that are something that everyone has made at times, and yet for things such as numeric values (e.g. dates) also very difficult in the general case for a computer to "catch" automatically—in contrast with spell checking where it can just compare against a word dictionary. The reason ref templates have error-checking is because to err is human. (But, to really foul things up requires a computer!) Slowking Man (talk) 17:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

There's something to be said when this happens over the course of roughly a decade. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

If an editor wishes they can set up a user script to warn them before saving an edit if there is a template error on the page. And does VisualEditor give some kind of notice if a template is throwing errors? Otherwise, is there really much impact on things here? A bot can always go around cleaning up simple typos in the intricate template syntax that not every person has a head for. I'm not aware, is there much precedent for telling a user "you must start using these error-flagging tools or else we will restrict your account"? Seems like a discussion for someplace like WP:VP with more visibility. --Slowking Man (talk) 20:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My experience with VisualEditor is that it doesn't. I expect 99% of people making the same mistake over and over again to have some degree of pattern recognition, and that they would devise strategies to prevent them from happening in the future. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Question

What if I was an admin and I wanted to resign? Gnu779 (talk) 14:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Gnu779 any admin may resign at any time by posting a message at the bureaucrats' noticeboard. See Misplaced Pages:Former administrators/reason/resigned for a full list (which is way longer than I thought) ''']''' (talk • contribs) 14:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

GA Review - How to 'Close' out the talk page?

I currently have two finalized GA reviews, and I am unsure how I apply the, "The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion" notice to the review's discussion to prevent it from being molested. What is the best way for me to do this? Happy New Year, GGOTCC (talk) 19:29, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

{{atop}}, and {{abot}}. Although, you don't have to do this. There's also a userscript that does all of the promotion/archiving for you Lee Vilenski 19:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! GGOTCC (talk) 23:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way to "force" a specific image below "the jump" (first subhed) to be a thumbnail?

Hello! Just created Portraits of Andrew Jackson and don't want to prefer one or another by including it in the lede (which is too short right now anyway). But as a mobile user I do live for our thumbnail images. Is there any secret/magical code I can use to tag one of the images to be the article's designated thumbnail while leaving it where it currently sits lower down the page? Please and thank you for helping! jengod (talk) 21:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

@Jengod: mw:Extension:PageImages#How does it select images? says: "If $wgPageImagesLeadSectionOnly is true, only images in the lead section will be considered. This is true for Misplaced Pages projects only; all other projects can pull images from outside the lead." This cannot be overridden. It may be possible to trick the extension by having image code in the lead but wrapped in something which prevents a browser from actually rendering the image. However, I would oppose such shenanigans. If you want a page image then just place it in the lead. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:55, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Excellent information! I will not shenaniganize, but I might eventually read a book or two and expand the lede so there's room for me to drop in a favorite or three. TYSM @PrimeHunter!

Resolved jengod (talk) 22:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

December 31

Peter Kavanagh (politician)

Reference number 5 is wrong - I have failed again. Please fix; I (or the team I am on) will not be attempting to edit next year - 2025. Thanks you and my apologies againSrbernadette (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

✅ Folly Mox (talk) 00:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Again, Srbernadette, you wrote 2024 as 20244. Why is it that you cannot see and correct such obvious errors on your own? Cullen328 (talk) 01:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Could it be that your keyboard is jamming? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 12:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Looking for any policies and guidelines on Portals?

I feel like the answer will be obvious when someone says it, but where are the guidelines or policies on portals? Misplaced Pages:Portal is an info page with a banner from five years ago saying it needs to be updated. I looked around but only see WP:POG, a failed proposal. Other non-article content has a guideline that at least defines what should be kept or deleted. Is there an equivalent to Misplaced Pages:Redirect/Deletion reasons somewhere for Portals? Rjj (talk) 04:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

The sort of "realist" answer is few people care about portals and they're neglected. A glance at the talk page there will indicate that the answer to your query appears to be "nowhere really". WP is a volunteer shindig and so if no one works on a thing it just doesn't happen. --Slowking Man (talk) 02:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Iris Sheila Collenette

I have added a file from commons and is far too big. please fix if you can. You could correctly caption it: "Pickenham Hall, Norfolk, home of Collenette's mother" - Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 07:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Done with this edit. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Srbernadette, that article entirely fails to explain why this English gentlewoman ended up as an expert on the flowers of Saudi Arabia. Why is that? Cullen328 (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

John of Reading, I don't believe that Pickenham Hall, Norfolk was the home of Collenette's mother, she married in 1923 (Burke's Peerage 1934 via Google books) then Collenette's mother's father "JOHN SMITH MORETON , of Pickenham Hall , Nor- folk ... purchased the Pickenham and Houghton - on - the - Hill estates in 1924" ((Burke's Landed Gentry 1939 via Google books).

Cullen328, Srbernadette didn't write the article so they may not know much about Collenette's biography. TSventon (talk) 15:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out, TSventon. Cullen328 (talk) 19:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Cullen328, the article is still very short, but I have added a sentence saying that Collenette visited Saudi Arabia while her husband was working there. TSventon (talk) 22:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

How to change username?

Is there any way to change my username? I don’t really like it. Cometkeiko (talk) 07:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:UNC Meters (talk) 07:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Using edit summary to let out personal feelings

How to deal with a user who undid an edit then uses edit summary to just explicitly let know their personal feelings over a constructive criticism like this one then restoring it back? I've been avoiding that user since we were blocked for an edit war but they keep coming to my edits I've made (be it on an article or on my talk page). 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 08:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

My personal suggestion is that if their comments or behavior bother you, but they're not impacting the enyclopedia (the reason why we are all here) much at all, to just ignore it, since, does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? If someone is causing trouble impacting numerous editors, they will attract attention and people will "do something about them" sooner or later. If you find editing Misplaced Pages to be causing stress, a good first step is always to take a short break, do something else that you enjoy, take a walk outside to decompress, anything you might find enjoyable. Misplaced Pages isn't a job or obligation and there is no deadline. Also might want to try switching gears and editing some other areas: there are plenty of tasks to do and who knows, you may even find some of them interesting!

(It wouldn't be very challenging to have a userscript that "ignores" a user, by just "collapsing" their edits in edit history and on talk pages into something like "1 edit hidden, click to expand". Someone might even have already made one along those lines; if interested you can go looking at what's out there. If not I could take a stab at it if it's something someone might find useful.) Slowking Man (talk) 17:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Well I've been doing that this past few days but when I would come back here to edit a content of an article to make it better, that other user would undo it then put something on edit unrelated to why they undid it then restored back to how I edited it, like "what's the point for undoing it then restoring it back?" Anyways, thanks for those tips, and I will find and use that userscript you suggested. Cheers and happy new year! 𝙳.𝟷𝟾𝚝𝚑 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 20:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

A user desperate for a war again

How to deal with a user looks really desperate to declared a war to me again. This edit summary is so sensitive to me, and no longer normal for me. I want to go in that user talk page to give some advise but i know this user will lastly revert my edit and said "Vandalism", so what i do is just leave it on the edit summary. Everything i do on this Misplaced Pages, this user will always appear, like a few months ago, i've created a several draft that is ready to published but in the end all of it is just useless because the all of the mainspace is created by this user, like i didn't even get any chance for my only interest topic in this Misplaced Pages. — Aidillia 08:30, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Aidillia. No editor can possibly cause another editor to engage in Edit warring. That is literally impossible. Edit warring is entirely the responsibility of the editor or editors who choose to engage in edit warring, which is a blockable offense forbidden by policy. Nobody is forced to click the blue "Publish changes" button. So, always refuse to engage in edit warring, which is forbidden by policy, which bears repeating. There are many Dispute resolution procedures available to you, which should be used instead. Cullen328 (talk) 08:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok thanks. I will have a look at it soon. Aidillia 09:07, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Also you might want to take a look at WP:NFF as this article itself is potentially a candidate for deletion as there has not been significant coverage of this future film. TiggerJay (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I've created Category:Books about Australian rules football

Hi all,

I've created Category:Books about Australian rules football which is pretty obviously wrong, and *I don't know how to fix it*.

Yep I'm an WP:ADMIN with about 58K edits, but also someone who knows their limitations - in this case I'm teh WP:CIR when it comes to templates.

Could someone who groks template coding possibly step in here and fix it up?

Pete AU aka Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Shirt58! Please look at the category page and see if it looks like what you expected. :) --CiaPan (talk) 11:03, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

PS. I'm afraid I do not understand what you mean about templates. Do you want some template to be added to the category page? It gets done exactly the same way as in regular articles. --CiaPan (talk) 11:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I usually try to find and adapt a similar existing category. I have checked Category:Books about American football and added two more categories. TSventon (talk) 11:25, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

And thank you to everyone who has replied here and fixed that up. For reference, I've sometimes described myself as a "non-technical" admin. By that I mean I have pretty much no clue whatsoever about the questions that come in at Misplaced Pages:Village pump (technical). Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Template edit help needed on Template:Ice hockey team roster/sandbox

I'm editing {{Ice hockey team roster/sandbox}}, trying to add a new column, but have it only show if a parameter equals "yes".

My test implementation using this new column is currently at User:MikeVitale/sandbox. I'm basing the code I added to the Ice hockey team roster sandbox off of {{CIH schedule start}}, which I'm familiar with the usage of.

My end goal here is to combine {{Player7}} into {{Player4}} (love those descriptive names), and eventually TfD both Player7 and {{Ice hockey minor league team roster}}. --Mike Vitale 15:06, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

@MikeVitale: I have encoded a pipe as {{!}} so it isn't interpreted as a separator between parameters to #ifeq. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:32, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Finding a taxonomic error over 100 years old while doing research for an article

What the title says. How should I properly address it in the article, given that it seems to have flown under the radar of actual experts? I'm working on an article on Eoscorpius, an extinct genus of scorpion from the Paleozoic Era first described in 1868, but it appears that some experts used the name, unaware that it was already taken, to describe an extinct Miocene fish of the family Cottidae in 1919. No one seems to have noticed this mistake, and there exist rather recent articles on the two very different organisms using the same genus name. Even the Paleobiology Database is confused; it lists Eoscorpius primaevus, intended as the name of a fish, with the rest of the Eoscorpius species, which are actual scorpions (that was actually what led me to first notice something was off, when I saw that the supposed different species of the same genus were separated by hundreds of millions of years). Anyway, that's my situation. What can I do to address it without falling into original research territory? Anonymous 20:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

It seems to me that you can note that the Eoscorpius described by one source is a fish and that described by the other source is a scorpion, and rely on common knowledge that these are different taxa to comment that these uses are inconsistent, but you should not attempt to resolve the inconsistency, or even to account for it, if you have no source that discusses the inconsistency. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

ColinFine's advice is right-on. After that, you may want to contact a taxonomist or two, probably ones with expertise in the Paleozoic. Who knows, you just might wind up getting co-author credit on a scientific paper! --Slowking Man (talk) 23:56, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Subheading alignment

Would someone please advise how to get the 'See also' header on Wartling to align to the left. I've noticed this occurring on a few articles - adding an additional blank line usually fixes it, but for some reason not here. Rupples (talk) 20:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

I added clear template before "See also" section, and it seems ok when I view the article. Is this what you wanted? Cmr08 (talk) 20:36, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you very much, @Cmr08, I'll try and remember this in future. Rupples (talk) 20:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

January 1

About cladograms on Arabic script

Hello everyone, can someone help me to figure out what is the issue I can't create a correct cladogram on Arabic script? The issue is the branches are reversed. And thanks. سنوببي (talk) 00:26, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Hah, that's got to be an issue related to right-to-left text handling; on a page in an RTL language such as Arabic, the Web browser will dutifully flip everything by default. So you have to engage in some template wizardry so it doesn't flip the non-text elements of the cladogram. The place you want is Tech village pump, where you are likely to find help from editors experienced with Misplaced Pages's esoteric syntax. Hopefully that helps. --Slowking Man (talk) 02:43, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Tom Taylor (Yorkshire cricketer)

Reference number 2 does not have the name of the year it (a medical journal) was published which is 1921. Please fix this up. I have failed. I'm sorry and that's it from me. Srbernadette (talk) 02:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

I was about to fix it, but User:Citation_bot beat me too it. There was a line break (ie enter/return on the keyboard) in the middle of the title element of the cite web reference.

TiggerJay (talk) 03:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

What's my email address?

The application for newspapers.com asks for:

    "The email for your account on the partner's website"

What is the correct format in this case? Humpster (talk) 08:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

This is beyond the scope of the Help desk, as it involves an external website.--♦IanMacM♦ 08:40, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

@Ianmacm: I think this relates to an application to use newspapers.com via Misplaced Pages:The Misplaced Pages Library at https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/applications/apply/26/ .

@Humphrey Tribble: have you tried example@example.com? If that doesn't work, Misplaced Pages:The Misplaced Pages Library has a talk page. TSventon (talk) 09:20, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

Language links

Is there a setting in user preferences to change the language links to appear in alphabetical order, all in same page? Now only a few language links to other Wikipedias are displayed. This started when I logged out, and I have not found yet ability to change it back. --40bus (talk) 15:09, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

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