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| Here is part of a lesson on protein from , with some minor changes by me. "Amino acids are linked in a chain by condensation reactions of the a-carboxyl group of one amino acid with the a-amino group of another. The linkage formed is called a peptide bond. One water (H2O) molecule is released for every peptide bond formed." | |||
| While the article "protein structure" does not give the definition of a protein residue until further down in the article, as I should have corrected per the policy that you referred to, it is mentioned in the section "Amino acid residues". It states that "...a residue refers to a specific monomer within the polymeric chain." The amino acids, the monomers that make up the protein polymer, are called residues when they are part of the protein. I think that they are not called amino acids when part of the protein because they are no longer the same molecules as the original amino acids. To be part of a protein, they have to lose some atoms. As the "residue (chemistry)" article says, "In chemistry residue is whatever remains or acts as a contaminant after a given class of events." In this case, the protein and the amino acid residues (see next paragraph) are what remains after the reaction, not contaminants. | |||
| "Amino acid residue" (AAR) is another term for "protein residue", and it makes more sense to me than the term "protein residue", but if there is a consensus in chemistry to use "protein residue", then it should be used, in case there is ever a separate article, as well as using protein residue in any definition and explanations. I know that it is not a very reliable test, but AAR gets nearly ten times the Google results than "protein residue". The term AAR currently redirects to the "amino acid" article. That article has the definition, "...a residue refers to a specific monomer within the polymeric chain of a polysaccharide, protein or nucleic acid." | |||
| I just went back to check what the article looked like when I made the redirect. You can see it . | |||
| The following is what the article looked like before I changed it: | |||
| *"Each protein is a polymer – specifically a polypeptide – that is a sequence formed from various L-α-amino acids (also referred to as residues)" | |||
| The following is what the article looked like after I changed it: | |||
| *"Proteins are polymers – specifically polypeptides -sequences formed from various L-α-amino acids. Each unit of a protein is called an amino acid residue because it is the residue of every amino acid that forms the protein by losing a water molecule." (I should have put "...an amino acid residue, also called a protein residue," in the sentence) | |||
| The following is what the article looks like now: | |||
| *"Proteins are polymers — specifically polypeptides — formed from sequences of monomeric amino acids." | |||
| The sentence that I added was deleted, rendering the redirect confusing and disappointing (more on this at the end of this post, look for !). | |||
| Update: I already changed the article, as I discussed below. Feel free to modify the article yourself. | |||
| :I think that something should be done about the protein structure article, such as adding the revised sentences, "Each monomer of a protein is called an amino acid residue, also called a protein residue, because they are the residues of every amino acid that makes up the protein. Proteins form by amino acids undergoing condensation reactions, in which the amino acids lose one water molecule per reaction. Each reaction forms a peptide bond, also called an amide bond, between each amino acid residue." | |||
| However, I think that the terms "protein residue" and "amino acid residue" should probably redirect to the "residue (chemistry)" article, which should be modified to give a better explanation of residues involving proteins, polysaccharides, nucleic acids and anything else that is composed of residues. What do you think? | |||
| !The following is a continuation of a thought that I had when I found that the problem was that the current article did not have the information necessary for the redirect to make sense. | |||
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